Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2011 archive

Ng Phek Hoong, Irene
I like to have some comments on this article. It seems there are some people who are adamant on not letting some information on wiki. I do not wish to be drawn into a 3RR war or dispute so I am not going to touch the article.

Edits to block out information link1, link2, link3.

As posted on User_talk:Sgpolitics, With regards to Asiaone's news article here, to quote the article, ''It is not the first time that Ms Ng is tying the knot. She did so in her mid-20s, but got an annulment shortly after.''

Also User:Sgpolitics has posted on my talkpage, it seems to be a personal request.

Any thoughts on this? I will not edit the personal life section anymore at least for the time being but I reckoned someone is checking on the wiki page from time to time. If I should not have posted this nugget of information or I have done anything wrong with regards to the edits, do let me know. thanks Xaiver0510 (talk) 10:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It sounds like Sgpolitics is acting on a personal request from the article's subject to remove the information from the article because it is perhaps seen as embarrassing, not because it is inaccurate. So far, there is no mention in Sgpolitics' posting that the AsiaOne article is factually wrong. Technically, if the information is accurate and reported in a reliable third-party source (and I would consider AsiaOne such a source), then it can be included in the article. It is not Wikipedia's policy to accede to requests for accurate information to be removed from an article just because it is potentially embarrassing to the subject. (I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that a general election is likely to be taking place soon?) However, since the information is not really very relevant to the subject's career, I think it is all right to remove all the information relating to her marital status. (In other words, don't mention her present husband either.) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment/idea! Can I suggest you making a quick edit to remove the section? Reasons as per mentioned earlier. Xaiver0510 (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 07:08, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I've restored the section. It's short, well sourced and NPOV, and it refers to a public figure who is obviously quite happy to talk her personal life with newspapers, so there's absolutely no reason it should not be in WP. Jpatokal (talk) 09:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh well, it was reverted again, shortly 30 mins later...... Xaiver0510 (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Jpatokal, perhaps if you feel strongly about the "personal life" information remaining in the article (I don't), you can start warning the users or IPs who remove the referenced information and request for them to be blocked if necessary. In any case, it is ridiculous to have a single line stating "Ng is happily married to Mr Graham Berry." It is unreferenced, and if that is all the "Personal life" section is ever going to say we might as well remove it entirely, as I did. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 13:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Legal names vs common names
Per WP:COMMONNAME, people should be listed under the English names they're most commonly known as: thus Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton. This is pretty systematically violated for Singaporeans, eg. Kuan Yoke Loon Andrew (should be Andrew Kuan) and the even worse Ng Phek Hoong, Irene (should be Irene Ng), and it's time to start moving these to the common names. Jpatokal (talk) 09:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. I moved "Ng Phek Hoong, Irene" to "Irene Ng (politician)". — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 13:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Songs of the Sea
This is the article/page I've created, Songs of the Sea. It is kind of expanded to how-ever it possibly can. I need help, please do give me some opinions. Also, I was wondering if Magical Sentosa, Sentosa Musical Fountain should be redirected to the page as well? --Iluvml93 (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Some references are from primary sources, aka from Sentosa itself. It will be better if there is a 3rd party source.Xaiver0510 (talk) 04:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Article request
It would be great if someone here could create an article on SembCorp Industries which is based in Singapore. We have articles on two subsidiaries: SembCorp Logistics and SembCorp Marine, but nothing on the parent company. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 09:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Regional differences in the Chinese language
Regional differences in the Chinese language has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.14.196 (talk) 06:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Standard Chinese
Standard Mandarin has been requested to be renamed to Standard Chinese, see talk:Standard Mandarin. 65.93.14.196 (talk) 06:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Singapore University of Technology and Design
Singapore University of Technology and Design has been nominated for deletion. 184.144.170.159 (talk) 06:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Singapore History Museum
Small article and seems to be just a name change for National Museum of Singapore from 1993 to 2006. To expand or to just merge it back to National Museum of Singapore where there is already a section on the name change? --Xaiver0510 (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say merge it. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirected as a thorough read of the article is all reflected at the main article. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 05:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 07:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Phish Communications
Not sure if a company really needs to list all of its work on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.126.210.99 (talk) 07:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems a bit spammy. You can nominate it for deletion on that basis if you wish to. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 08:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Photographs of artifacts from the Belitung shipwreck
If anyone is heading down to the ArtScience Museum, could you please take some photographs of artifacts recovered from the Belitung shipwreck, which are being exhibited in the Shipwrecked: Tang Treasures and Monsoon Winds exhibition on Level B2? I took some recently (see "commons:Category:Artifacts recovered from the Belitung shipwreck") but all I had was my iPhone so they are not great. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 07:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Visiting Singapore on Monday 21st
Hi Singaporean Wikipedians :-)

I'll be flying from home (Sydney) to Barcelona this weekend and will be stopping in Singapore for 1 night - arriving in the evening of Sunday and departing at 11pm on Monday. I was wondering whether it would be possible to meet with Wikipedians who were interested in doing "GLAM" projects (see http://glamwiki.org ) so I could help you. I'm currently on a Wikimedia Foundation fellowship to help increase the capacity of the community worldwide to do projects with the cultural sector (museums etc.) This was the announcement of that Fellowship if you don't follow the WMF blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/19/announcing-our-glam-fellow-liam-wyatt/ Just an idea! Please write on my talkpage or back here if you are interested :-) Thanks, Witty Lama 09:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, all. I have contacted Liam and am planning to meet him for an early dinner next Monday. If anyone else would like to join us, please e-mail him (or me, by using the link on the left side of my user page). — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 08:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Liam, you can also sign up for the Wikimedia Singapore mailing list for sending messages to the SG community. — Nearly Headless Nick   {C}  11:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I placed a message about the above event on the mailing list before I saw the above posting. I've had one positive response so far. Anyone else who would like to meet Liam is welcome to join us (drop me a line to let me know you are coming). — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Songs of the Sea
I was the original creator of this article, but it had since received various edits by other editor. The article seemed to have shifted from its main focus, and I was wondering if anyone would like to take a look to review and comment about it. I've also noticed multiple edits done by User:Maglame on the article which some of it is rather unnecessary. Help is needed/required. Thanks!--Iluvml93 (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Current Deletion Discussions
Articles for deletion/REACHSingapore. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Tin Pei Ling is undergoing afd
Personally I find this a little ridiculous. Please help restore some sense of reason into the matter. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 03:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 Singapore General Elections
With the 2011 Singapore General Elections coming up, how about an effort to improve the current and past elections articles, various political parties and politicians' articles? Some are in need of a better writeup or touch up.

For example, we are missing Low Thia Khiang's photo for so long, maybe we can get a photo of him during a rally?

--Xaiver0510 (talk) 05:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Found a free photograph of Low Thia Khiang, but it's not a terribly good one. We could do with more photographs of the 2011 elections, so anyone out there who took some and are willing to license them to the Commons are invited to do so: see "commons:Category:Singaporean general election, 2011". — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of election images
I just wanted to inform all of you that the majority of election posters in this category have been nominated for deletion. Silver seren C 19:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think these images are problematic at the moment. The political parties own the copyright in the posters, so actually taking photographs of them and uploading them to the Commons is a breach of copyright. We should write to political parties now and ask for permission for those images to be retained, and to photograph new election posters when they go up after 27 April 2011. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 06:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope that you're able to do that. I'm not here to advocate one thing or another, i'm just here to inform you about the deletion nominations. Silver  seren C 06:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have sent e-mails to the National Solidarity Party, the People's Action Party, the Reform Party, the Singapore Democratic Alliance, the Singapore Democratic Party, the Singapore People's Party and the Workers' Party of Singapore. Let's see what the response is. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 08:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The answer is – none at all. Not a single response from any of the parties so far. Well, maybe they've been very busy because of the election. Let's see if any bother to reply in the next couple of weeks. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yam Ah Mee
Should he have his own article? I think he would fail WP:GNG though. --ZhongHan (Email) 06:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Definitely not notable enough. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 07:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As of yesterday, the article exists (and labelled as top-importance A-class article on its talk page by User:Amandalu862). Don't know if anything should be done about it. — b3virq3b (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My opinion hasn't changed, and the present article is certainly neither A-class nor top-importance. In no way, shape or form can the article be notable. But I'll leave it to someone else to nominate the article for deletion. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Yam Ah Mee — b3virq3b (talk) 01:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not happy with the result of a merger. But can someone perform the merger?The article is not a high piriority for me.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 12:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

2 articles undergoing afd discussion
Wee Shu Min and Li Hongyi, please comment. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to note, both are closed with the result of Delete.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Merger of "List of Singaporean electoral divisions" into "Constituencies of Singapore"
Please participate in the discussion about the proposal to merge "List of Singaporean electoral divisions" into "Constituencies of Singapore". — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:12, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Tan Jee Say
Would someone like to start an article on him? If there are articles on Nicole Seah, TPL, Chen Show Mao I don't see why TJS should be left out.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Complimentary entry to "Shipwrecked: Tang Treasures and Monsoon Winds"
Hello, all. I attended a conference on maritime archaeology at the Asian Civilisations Museum recently, and received a letter for complimentary entry to the Shipwrecked: Tang Treasures and Monsoon Winds exhibition at the ArtScience Museum. As I have already been to the museum, I am happy to pass on this letter to an SGpedian on condition that he or she uses the opportunity to photograph artefacts at the exhibition for uploading to "commons:Category:Artifacts recovered from the Belitung shipwreck". The letter is valid till 31 July 2011, and I do not know if it entitles the bearer to view other exhibitions going on in the Museum as well. Those interested should e-mail me by visiting my user page and clicking on the link on the left side of the screen. Priority will be given to experienced photographers, so do let me know a bit about your photography experience when you contact me. Please get in touch by 30 June. Thanks. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Tony Tan Keng Yam
Hi, I like to have a 3rd party view on Tony Tan's article. Thanks. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 07:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems like an edit war is escalating....... --Xaiver0510 (talk) 00:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Xiaxue rewritten by me, needs copyedit and BLP check.
Greetings, fellow SGpedians! I have returned from my extended wikibreak to work on several unfinished projects. Since 2007, I have repeatedly promised to rewrite Xiaxue and have finally done so. For the article to attain GA status, it needs to be copyedited and checked for BLP compliance. Could an SGpedian or two help? Thanks! Stay tuned for updates on other projects I am working on! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sifu Tan Siew Cheng
Sifu Tan Siew Cheng has been nominated for deletion. Does anyone know this person? 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Never heard of him. But then I'm not familiar with what he does. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:14, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Jack, perhaps you could do a Factiva search for Tan Siew Cheng? That would certainly help determine whether he is notable or not. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I'm not interested enough to find out. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Problem with SG template
Today, I noticed a problem with the SG template, which is used on article talk pages to indicate that an article falls within our scope. For some reason, a Singapore flag and the word "Singapore" shows up instead. Could an SGpedian who is familiar with templates please investigate this problem? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 06:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An editor turned it into a redirect to 🇸🇬 Singapore on 23 July, but on 27 July this change was reverted. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Meeting with Liam Wyatt on Saturday evening
Hi, all. Liam Wyatt (Wittylama) will be passing through Singapore this weekend, and I will be meeting him and his mother for a late dinner at 8:00 pm this Saturday, 30 July, at Clarke Quay. We will probably talk about Wikimedia Commons and GLAM-related matters. If you would like to join us, please e-mail me by clicking on the link on the left side of my user page. (Sorry for the late notice about this. I e-mailed a message to the wikimedia-sg list but it doesn't seem to have been sent.) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright infringements in Singapore-related articles
I've just reduced the following articles to stubs as they were blatant copyright violations pasted from the sources listed on their talk pages under Copyright problem removed :
 * Singapore Symphony Orchestra
 * Orkestra Melayu Singapura
 * Singapore Chinese Orchestra

In addition to the texts being a copyvio, they were full of promotional puffery and not remotely encyclopedic. I suspect there be many more Singapore-related articles with the same problems, espeically ones relating to organizations and biographies. It might be worth this project making spot checks. Note that one of them had huge chunks copied verbatim from the Singapore Infopedia whose web pages are clearly marked "All Rights Reserved. National Library Board Singapore" – Voceditenore (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. Hopefully some SGpedians will look into unstubbing these articles. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 14:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Task for editors interested in history and politics
Editors interested in the history and politics of Singapore may wish to work on merging "Singaporean City Council by-election, 1958" into "Singapore City Council by-election, 1958". Both articles cover the same ground. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Visiting Singapore
Hi guys. I notice that the Singapore Wikipedians are planning to have a meetup. I'm visiting Singapore at the end of the month, and I was hoping I can meet with some of you while I'm there! I'm sure it will be a wonderful experience meeting the community, and I certainly hope that I can join in! :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Not sure if there is actually a meet-up happening, though. When are you going to be in town? — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll confirm with my aunt if she can find a house already, but tentatively I should be there between August 25 and August 31. If not, I hope to find a place to stay while I'm there. :P --Sky Harbor (talk) 09:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can confirm that I'll be in Singapore from August 26-31. I'll be waiting for my visa to be released in Kuala Lumpur, so if that doesn't work out by August 31, I may extend my stay there.  If ever, I hope to meet some of you guys! --Sky Harbor (talk) 14:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Name help
Hullo chaps! I'm creating a listing of the Anglican Archbishops of South East Asia. The first and third/current have their articles, but the second does not. His full name was "Datuk Yong Ping Chung", but I just can't tell what his article would be called (so I can redlink it) – I find references to "Yong Ping Chung", "Ping Chung Yong", "Datuk Yong", "Archbishop Yong" and "Archbishop Ping Chung"! In common usage, what are this man's forename and surname? And which way 'round should they be in Wikipedia? Many thanks in advance for your help! DBD 08:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh! Is Datuk a title?! DBD 08:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Datuk is indeed the Malay title, since he is a Malaysian from Sabah. In Southeast Asia, when an ethnic Chinese name has three parts, the first part is most likely the family name. In this case, it's Yong. Yong Ping Chung is the correct article name because Chinese names are almost never written in reverse order in Southeast Asia. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 09:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So this fellow's personal name is "Ping Chung" and family name is "Yong", but he should be written "Yong Ping Chung", right? How about Datuk Albert Vun Cheong Fui? Ng Moon Hing? Joshua Chiu Ban It? Tan Sri Roland Koh? DBD 11:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Albert Vun Cheong Fui – surname: Vun; personal names: Albert, Cheong Fui.
 * Ng Moon Hing – surname: Ng; personal name: Moon Hing.
 * Joshua Chiu Ban It: surname: Chiu; personal names: Joshua, Ban It.
 * Roland Koh: surname: Koh; personal name: Roland. Tan Sri is another title used in Malaysia.
 * — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Notice about RFC/U
Hi, we have a Request for Comment currently going on here at Requests for comment/La goutte de pluie about an admin actions over on some Singaporean political-related articles. I'm not part of this WikiProject but I thought it would be a good idea to notify you. Any outside views in this case would be helpful. OpenInfoForAll (talk) 00:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Eugenics in Singapore
At DYK. FuFoFuEd (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Please comment at Pathlight School's ongoing peer review!
Greetings, fellow SGpedians! Money No Enough has attained GA status, while Xiaxue remains a GA nominee. Now I am striving to make Pathlight School the first-ever special-education-related GA on Wikipedia (and the first-ever Singapore-education-related GA)! All SGpedians are invited to comment at its ongoing peer review. Hope you enjoy reviewing this short, but interesting, article as much as I enjoyed writing it! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 04:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Question about Singapore districts
Korean Air's Southeast Asia HQ is at 20 Raffles Place Ocean Tower #26-01 Singapore 048620 - What district in Singapore is this in? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Category discussion:Former pupils by school in Singapore
Category:Former pupils by school in Singapore and its various sub-categories have been nominated for renaming to a consistent form. The discussion is here. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Verification needed on Honour_and_Passion TV series page
Hi all, would like your comments and assistance on this matter. Some of you may know that the article for Mediacorp TV series were constantly being vandalized in the past with a lot of fan-fictionish stuff. Recently ere has been a couple of weird edits on the article mentioned above. As the show is quite old, I wonder if any of you can verify if the added content is correct? As I explained in the page's TALK,

''additions are similar in essence to previously identified and reverted vandalism which were in turn taken from Uncyclopedia[]. I had also tried googling for any mention of this new questionable content without success.''

Hope for some replies soon, if this is the act of a persistant IP vandal I will have to request for page protection on the article fast. Zhanzhao (talk) 03:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Regarding wiki page on 'Tengah, Singapore'
Tengah is the government's up and coming new town. In the past, it was known as 'Hong Kah' before it was renamed to 'Tengah'. I need help in writing the history of 'Hong Kah' as to put it simply, I was not born then(but rather in 1996) and I have no freaking idea what the heck is that kampong all about and it's history. So, yeah, I need help in it so as to make the section as relevant as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allkayloh (talk • contribs) 13:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

My knowledge on Hong Kah is very limited. So, yeah, I need help in it so as to make the section as relevant as possible, preferably from those who knows 'Hong Kah' quite well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allkayloh (talk • contribs) 13:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You could try doing a search of old newspapers at NewspaperSG. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

2011 MRT train disruptions nominated for deletion
For your thoughts on the article's nomination for deletions. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Singapore-lang-mcpht
Singapore-lang-mcpht has been nominated for deletion. 76.65.128.198 (talk) 06:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Per TFD, template merged with Singapore-lang-mcpot, Singapore-lang-mcpt into Singapore-lang-mcphot -- 76.65.128.132 (talk) 13:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Singapore-lang-mcphot
The language gloss template has been changed, all three pre-existing templates have been merged into Singapore-lang-mcphot. The new template will variably show Simplified Chinese, Pinyin, Hokkien, other Chinese, Tamil, Malay, and, English, depending on supplied parameters. This allows for gloss of Singaporean words, assuming English a place in primacy.
 * ie: warehouse:
 * ie: warehouse

I can adjust the English parameter to be equal to Malay, and make it Singaporean English link. Or just add a provision for Singaporean English; I can also add Traditional Chinese and Cantonese... considering the population of Cantonese speakers in Singapore, and that everyone used to use Traditional instead of Simplified Chinese. -- 76.65.128.132 (talk) 13:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Please comment at Fandi Ahmad's ongoing peer review!
Fellow SGpedians, I humbly present my latest contribution to Wikipedia and this WikiProject, an article about Singaporean football legend Fandi Ahmad, which I am trying to get to GA status! Start 2012 by supporting the quest to counter systemic bias, by commenting at the ongoing peer review of this short, but interesting, article, which I hope you enjoy reviewing as much as I enjoyed writing it! Thanks! 谢谢！Terima kasih! நன்றி! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)