Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2013 archive

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secretary-General of the Singapore PAP‎
Please join the discussion at "Articles for deletion/Secretary-General of the Singapore PAP‎". — SMUconlaw (talk) 10:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

User Timothyhouse1
Timothyhouse1 has been making some recent edits that were clearly not very sensible, for example, removing valid content and adding a list of non-notable people in Yishun, and listing myself as an alumni of my previous school. Does this constitute vandalism or a breach of privacy, and what are possible courses of action, other than reverting changes? --Joeyfjj (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think adding your real name to the article is a breach of privacy because no sensitive private information like your email address or phone number has been revealed. But the information shouldn't be in the article, of course, as it is unreferenced and not encyclopedic. Deliberate removal of valid content that is properly referenced may amount to vandalism. If discussing the matter with Timothyhouse1 on the article talk page or his user talk page doesn't work, you can ask for help at "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents". You seem to know him in real life – if so, have you tried speaking to him in person? — Cheers,  Jack Lee  –talk– 21:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Featured portal nomination
I have nominated the Singapore portal as a Featured portal candidate. Please have a look at the nomination page here. Any comments or feedback about the portal would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.--Lionratz (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

"Hindu temple in Little India"
Anyone recognize this temple? Am hoping to rename the file to something more meaningful. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It is the Sri Thendayuthapani Temple, which is actually a bit further away from the heart of Little India. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 20:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, great. The photographer must have been confused. Thanks very much. — SMUconlaw (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Mount Elizabeth Hospital
Mount Elizabeth Hospital seems rather short article. Since several prominent people from outside of Singapore have died there (ie. President Zillur Rahman, 2012 Delhi gang rape victim), I assume this is a major medical center of advanced techniques in the region. As such, it should really have a longer article. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If this subject interests you, then please help to improve the article with reliable published third-party sources! — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Singaporean TV series articles
Why, just why, do SGpedians like adding useless and unreferenced "trivia" in TV series articles? Picking a random example, this article houses some ten points of useless and un-sourced trivia... I tried removing the trivia parts from other articles but it got reverted by some SGpedian. I propose that we post some notice that every SGpedian can see. Like, "Please DO NOT add useless trivia". How do I go about doing that? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 13:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You can add comments to articles by surrounding them with " ", but I think it would be better just to remove the information added and explain to the editor on the article talk page that trivia is not appropriate for articles (referring them to this guideline where necessary). — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think these methods can get through the thick Singaporean skulls of theirs. I once templates the section with a "no trivia" template and subsequently removed all the trivia; it got reverted by some other SGpedian. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 14:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the correct procedure. Revert with a proper edit summary and, if you think fit, put a message on the article talk page as well. Bear in mind WP:3RR. If the editor keeps re-adding the information after that, then request for page protection for the article and report the editor for edit warring. If the activity is very recent, you can also request for administrator intervention against vandalism. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

List of programmes broadcast by MediaCorp Channel 8
Hello, haven't been on here in a bit. Anyone still here? I'm thinking of getting this article recreated - was surprised to see it was deleted with very few comments, especially since it seems to be more of a clean-up problem than anything else (and leaves a big gap in the other 'list of programmes' articles. Would help to get some consensus on this. - ryan  d  12:44, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Huang wenyong.jpg
file:Huang wenyong.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 02:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * standard copyvio? Chensiyuan (talk) 03:48, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It has a fair use rationale attached. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 04:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

File:MHSS old logo.gif
File:MHSS old logo.gif has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

File:SNG School Song.mid
File:SNG School Song.mid has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia User Group for Singapore
Hi guys. Some of you may remember me from Meetup 7, where I enjoyed the wonderful company of the Singapore Wikipedians who were in attendance. Again, please allow me to thank all of you for hosting me so graciously. One of the things that I have mentioned during that meetup is the possibility of Singapore Wikipedians organizing into a more "formal" group. As times have apparently changed from October 2012, please allow me to expand further on this note from the previous meetup.

In March last year, the Wikimedia Foundation passed a resolution recognizing new models of affiliation as an alternative to your standard incorporated chapter. However, it was only in December that the User Group model was finally approved. User Groups are for groups of Wikimedians who wish to promote to projects in the offline world through meetups, events and other projects which help forward the projects in a particular locality, but do not wish to undergo the bureaucracy entailed in organizing a formal chapter. As User Groups do not need to be incorporated under local law in order to be recognized, this structure may be more appropriate for smaller communities like the Wikipedia community in Singapore, and I still believe that it would be beneficial for you guys to have the blessing of the Foundation in order to forward the projects, and in the process, avail of funds for fulfilling projects which are available to you through the WMF grants program.

As a newly-appointed member of the Affiliations Committee, the body which approves chapters, User Groups and the like, please allow me to inform you that should you choose to organize a User Group, I assure you my full support in ensuring that your affiliation is secured, and that I will do what I can to continue helping Wikipedians in Singapore pursue meaningful projects to promote Wikipedia in Singapore, owing to my own ties to the island: my aunt and her family live in Singapore, and I visit them at least once a year. Since last year, I have made it a point that should I be able to visit there, I hope to continue meeting local Wikipedians. I hope that somehow, this discussion will lead to a greater awareness of the benefits of having an organized local group promoting projects there, and I hope that somehow, a meaningful discussion will result because of this.

Thanks and, hopefully, I hope to see some of you soon, if not in Singapore, then during Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong, where I hope some of you have made the choice to attend! :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I've decided to attend Wikimania 2013, so I'll see you there! — SMUconlaw (talk) 08:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Splendid! It will be wonderful to see a Singaporean face there. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Meetup with User from Bangladesh on 16 June
Hi, I received the following message from a user from Bangladesh recently. He will be in Singapore next week and is interested to meet some SGpedians. If you would like to catch up with him, please contact him. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 05:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

"Greetings from Wikimedia Bangladesh. This is Nurunnaby Chowdhury from Bangladesh. Also i am Bangladesh Ambassador of Open Knowledge Network Foundation (OKFN). [1] I am regular & active Wikimedia Contributor (Mainly in the Bangla Wikipedia) since 2008. My user name: nhasive [2] Basically i am a IT journalist work Bangladeshi leading news paper (The Daily Prothom-Alo) [3] & Moderator of Prothom-Alo Blog. Prothom Alo, highest circulated bengali newspaper of Bangladesh. Not only that but also Prothom Alo's webportal is the number 1 bengali web portal around the globe. Also Prothom-Alo Blog is leading Bangla blog in Bangla community. BTW next June 16 i go to Singapore to join Communic Asia 2013 conference. This conference held on Marina Bay Sands, Singapore. To know check: http://www.communicasia.com/ In this time i am interested to meet with wikipedian who work from Singapore. Is it possible? if i am able to meet with others wikipedian i think we may share & discuss some more idea, activities. I wait for feedback. i am available: nh@nhasive.com also: fb.com/nhasive & twitter.com/nhasive"

Aish. June 16, no luck. Bummer ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 13:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have been in touch with Nurunnaby. I suggested we meet on either 18, 19 or 20 June. Am waiting to hear from him whether lunch or dinner suits him better. Anyone else who would like to join us can e-mail me by clicking the "Email this user" link on my user page. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 16:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Nurunnaby called me and we are meeting in the lobby of Somerset Liang Court Singapore, 177B River Valley Road, at 5:30 pm today (21 June). Anyone who would like to join us is welcome to come along. To get in touch with me, post a message here or e-mail me by clicking the "Email this user" link on my user page. Nurunnaby's mobile phone number while he is in Singapore is +65.8510.4618. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I met Nurunnaby yesterday for about an hour, and we had a general chat about what's happening with the Bangla Wikipedia. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Haze in Singapore – but where?
This photograph was taken on 17 June 2013 and shows the haze in Singapore, but does anyone have any idea what building this photograph shows? — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Costa Rhu condo, prob taken from the ECP. The Kallang Indoor Stadium is in the background. See Tanjong Rhu T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.176.66.118 (talk) 11:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 20:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Budget Terminal pictures
Hello SGpedians. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but since I'm Filipino, I'm asking if a Singaporean Wikipedian was willing to do this. As you all know, Singapore Changi Airport's Budget Terminal was closed last 25 September, and by now should be completely demolished. While the terminal wasn't that well liked by Singaporeans, I have sentimental feelings for the terminal, as it was the terminal I used when I visited Singapore two years ago. I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to visit the site and take pictures of the site and show what remains of the terminal. Unfortunately, by now demolition should be complete, so we can no longer see the stages of demolition. Or is access currently blocked off? If so, maybe the pictures could be taken from the closest accessible place. I've seen it through Google Street View but the image is outdated. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Not a Singaporean, but as someone who follows the board (and who follows airports and aviation a lot), what I do know is that access to the Budget Terminal has been fenced off as this will also be the site of the new Terminal 4. Based on the information available on Wikipedia, demolition should have ended last month. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Ferrie in Singapore.jpg
image:Ferrie in Singapore.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Help identify these photographs
Hi, can anyone help identify the locations shown in these photographs? — SMUconlaw (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Countries and territories of Southeast Asia
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Countries and territories bordering the Indian Ocean
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Help with article for Ng Ser Miang
Hello, I am currently working on behalf of Ng Ser Miang, a prominent Singaporean businessman involved with the Olympics, to make improvements to his article here on Wikipedia, which currently suffers from a number of issues—so extensive are the issues, in fact, that I've gone ahead and completely redrafted the article, uploading my draft to my userspace. I've provided some more details about the problems with the current article, as well as an overview of my draft, at Talk:Ng Ser Miang.

Because of my financial COI, I won't implement the draft myself. Instead, I'm asking volunteer editors to take a look at my work, and, if everything seems okay, move my draft over into the mainspace. If someone here has time to take a look and help out on this project, I would very much appreciate it! Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 15:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This is ✅! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Four Asian Tigers
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

NO NEW GA THIS YEAR?????
WHAT HAPPENED TO HILDANKNIGHT, JACKLEE AND ALL THE GA WRITERS? COME ON SGPEDIANS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.124.88 (talk) 17:03, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait I'll pop one out just to appease you. Stay tuned. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 10:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am currently working on Xiaxue and Kelvin Tan, with more to come; stay tuned for updates! Bonkers, I challenge you to write five potential GAs by the end of this year! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 11:04, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Must it be on Singapore? Because this year I've already written two GAs. Not on Singapore, sadly. :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The unregistered user is complaining about the lack of new Singapore-related GAs this year, so yes, your five potential GAs must be Singapore-related. If you can write so many DYKs and two GAs about topics pertaining to other countries, then surely you can write some potential GAs about Singapore-related topics. I say "potential" because I know how long the wait for a review is and you may need my help with polishing. Suggest you pick topics where you can write an article of length similar to Money No Enough, Pathlight School, Ya Kun Kaya Toast or Yip Pin Xiu. You may choose to write these five potential GAs from scratch or expand your existing Singapore-related DYKs. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 11:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Questions about an article for creation for a female Singaporean Funeral Director
Greetings Dear Singapedians

I recently drafted an article for Ang Jolie Mei, a female Singaporean funeral Director. Jolie is a notable person in the Singapore deathcare industry, and her father was a notable person among Singapore's Hokkein community. She had received her fair share of media coverage from the SPH and MediaCorp publications. I had cited all these references in the article for creation, but the request was turned down with a reason that these sources were unverifiable. I wonder how articles published by SPH and MediaCorp the only existing media groups in Singapore can be dismissed as unreliable. But some administrators suggested I take the draft article to Singapore Wiki Project so that they would be able to understand its context. The following is the template. Any help from Singapore Wikipedians to improve this article would be appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ang_Jolie_Mei

Regards Writer WrenchWriterwrench (talk) 04:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think the reviewers were criticizing the sources that you relied on in the draft article. The problem may have been that not all the information in the draft was supported by reliable published sources. For example, the following paragraphs do not seem to be referenced at all:
 * "She graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics and Psychology from the National University of Singapore. She also holds a postgraduate diploma in financial management from the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants and is a Certified Financial Planner from the Financial Planning Association of Singapore."
 * "Jolie acquired her funeral celebrant certificate from Australia's Celebrations Training in 2010. She is also a certified funeral director from Canada's Mount Royal University since 2012."
 * "Jolie's two sisters later joined her to help put the business back on track."
 * "In 2010, Jolie established Life Celebrant, a funeral organisation specialising in customized and personalised funeral services. Life Celebrant also offers hospitality, commemoration and memorial services, apart from decedent care, funeral concierge and funeral consultancy services. Life Celebrant is a member of National Funeral Director's Association (NFDA) and the International Cemetery, Cremation and Funeral Association (ICCFA). Jolie is the only certified funeral celebrant and funeral director in the Singapore funeral industry. She was the second runner up in My paper's executive look competition in 2010. The same year, she also appeared in two Chinese variety shows showcasing her work as a funeral director." (The YouTube video mentioned in footnote 8 cannot be used. The copyright in the programme belongs to MediaCorp, and there is no evidence that MediaCorp gave permission for the programme to be uploaded to YouTube. It is against Wikipedia policy to provide external links to material that infringes copyright: see "WP:ELNEVER".)
 * "Ang Jolie Mei believes in living life to the fullest, and is passionate to learn about people's life story because she believes everyone's life should be told, shared and remembered. Jolie is a strong advocate of pre planning of funerals and the need to create will and testaments before death. She also encourages personalised and customised funeral celebration services, which is now a growing trend in the traditionally conservative Singapore society."
 * However, I think there may be a more fundamental problem with the draft. I am not sure why Ang should be regarded as notable. Funeral directors are not inherently notable persons (unlike politicians and sportspeople, for example), and there really isn't anything in the article which indicates why Ang is a particularly notable funeral director. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia is considering splitting in two
See WT:CHINA where a notice has been posted about ZH.wiki splitting into PRC-wiki and ROC-wiki -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 06:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

PD-Singapore template for wiki required
Hi, a photograph File:INA Parade.jpg, which qualify of public domain in Singapore, that is published in or before 1942, have been brought to my notice. However, I couldn't find a wiki equivalent to commons PD template for Singapore, see here. Thanks. --Ekabhishektalk 04:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Copy in the template whole? —  Reatlas  (talk)  13:39, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Is there some reason why the file can't be transferred to the Wikimedia Commons? — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 16:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:2005 in Malaysia and Singapore
Category:2005 in Malaysia and Singapore andCategory:2006 in Malaysia and Singapore, which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for merger to their parent categories. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Reliable source? - Red Sports
I am updating the page for Quah Ting Wen and trying to find reliable sources for her breaking national records in the 2009 Asian Youth Games. Either I am not finding hard enough or there are not much coverage.. I am wondering will the site Red Sports qualify as a reliable source? http://www.redsports.sg Their about page http://www.redsports.sg/mission-of-red-sports/ --Xaiver0510 (talk) 10:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely this will be in the major newspapers such as The Straits Times and Today, and on Channel NewsAsia? Honestly, I don't know how reliable Red Sports is. It appears to be a volunteer-run website reporting stories about school sports, so it may be written largely by teenage students. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:10, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Identification of Hindu temple


Can anyone help to identify this Hindu temple in Singapore? Is it the Sri Thendayuthapani Temple‎ in Tank Road? — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 18:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured it out. It is the Sri Krishnan Temple on Waterloo Street: compare the photograph with this one. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 18:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

"Singapore" not a good article
MALAYSIA IS GOOD ARTICLE, SINGAPORE NOT? NABEI, HOW CAN LIDDAT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.1.138 (talk) 13:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to help bring it to "good article" status! — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)