Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2019 archive

Discussion for Hae_mee
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink for a discussion of a singaporian related food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyw7 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Circle Line colour
Hi all, there is a discussion at Talk:Circle MRT Line Regarding the colour and hue of the Circle Line. Please do leave your opinions and suggestions on the page. Thanks. 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 07:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

BamZ412’s WikiProject Singapore
Hi. I just joined WikiProject Singapore and what should I do here. I also notified my other user friend, 1.02 editor earlier. You can talk to me on my newly refurbished user talk page. BamZ412 (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome! We are quite a quiet bunch in here, mostly toiling away at what we like to do! Generally posts get noticed quite a bit later, so do tag people if you need specific eyeballs or bodies for some thing! What should you do?
 * Hmm, well you are certainly free to work on any aspects you like, bringing articles up, wiki gnoming away etc. I generally monitor a few things Singapore related items such as the Assessment board to get articles rated in terms of quality and importance, clean up maintenance issues and generally I am over at the Wikipedia orphanage. So you can join multiple projects if you want, find general topics or niches that interest you. Since you are here, we hope you can be a bit more involved in Singapore related articles, be it maintenance or building articles! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Added more info/references to SATS Security, AETOS and Certis Group
Hello.

Just want to point out that I'm not a Singaporean (Been there enough times to know about the country. Only go there for medical reasons), but I've made updates with more info/references to here, here and here.

Regards.

Ominae (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Review
This diff removed a lot of content. Someone closer to the subject may want to review it. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 09:32, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification, reverted the deletion and updated to more readable prose. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 04:21, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC on Template talk:Timelines of Chinese history
I have requested for comments over the inclusion of Timeline of Singaporean history in Template:Timelines of Chinese history. Would appreciate comments from editors on this. Thanks. robertsky (talk) 06:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Need help with draft
I created an article to fill a red link at List of hospitals in Singapore which is the NUHCS. Apparently it was moved to the draftspace so the link is here: Draft: National University Heart Centre, Singapore. Is there any help I could get by asking on this page to improve this article to "graduate" it from the draftspace? Thank you.--Officer781 (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * given that you had re-submitted the draft for review with references updated into the article, I think let's wait for what the reviewer says first? robertsky (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Quick check on the sources, only 2 are secondary and the remaining 3 is either primary source or closely related sources. You can search for news articles to add more secondary sources and in the meantime build up the article a bit. Example, can found out more about the fund raising campaign . And as robertsky had said, wait for the review (it may take around 6-8 weeks though) but you can continue to improve so when it comes around, it will not be rejected and another long wait. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * the article is quite short at the moment. i would suggest adding more information to the article such as when it opened, notable things related ton it and a description of the facilities that the hospital provides. also i do not really encourage using AFC but instead just move it to mainspace when the article is of a decent quality. if you still need help do message one of us and we would be more than willing to help you. Thanks 1.02 editor (T/C) 12:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions. I am busy in real life now but I will try to see how I can improve the article. I did not use AFC but when I created the article a user (I think an admin) moved it to draftspace. As such I'm not sure I have other options other than to improve it till it is of decent quality to be moved back to articlespace. In the meantime, I am okay with other users making edits to the draft so do feel free to edit.--Officer781 (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The administrator CASSIOPEIA says that sources with a passing reference to the subject are not enough, which includes the links proposed. I'm not sure how to get it to graduate AfC, which I feel should be because we already have articles for all the other national specialty centres in Singapore. It is not very fair for this one not to have its own entry.
 * {|class="wikitable"

!National specialty centre || Healthcare cluster
 * National Cancer Centre Singapore || SingHealth
 * National Dental Centre Singapore || SingHealth
 * National Heart Centre Singapore || SingHealth
 * National Neuroscience Institute || SingHealth
 * National Skin Centre || National Healthcare Group
 * National University Cancer Institute, Singapore || National University Health System
 * National University Centre for Oral Health, Singapore || National University Health System
 * National University Heart Centre, Singapore || National University Health System
 * Singapore National Eye Centre || SingHealth
 * }
 * National University Cancer Institute, Singapore || National University Health System
 * National University Centre for Oral Health, Singapore || National University Health System
 * National University Heart Centre, Singapore || National University Health System
 * Singapore National Eye Centre || SingHealth
 * }
 * National University Heart Centre, Singapore || National University Health System
 * Singapore National Eye Centre || SingHealth
 * }
 * }


 * As a result me and CASSIOPEIA have proposed merging all of these articles under their respective healthcare cluster articles, as most of these articles do not warrant their own subpages (lack of notability) and also to treat all National Specialty Centres consistently on Wikipedia. What do you guys think?--Officer781 (talk) 04:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * was going through several of these pages earlier, and I wanted to suggest the same. Most of these pages were created circa 2005 without much updates. Their notability is a suspect. I don't mind them being merged. Point me to the right location to add my comments if there is a discussion somewhere else. robertsky (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * CASSIOPEIA is not going to be drawn into a discussion about content so if a merged article is better, go ahead and do it! Since attention has been drawn to it, there is a likely chance that they might be nominated for AFD, especially some does not not have references. A merge will get some content saved. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 06:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. merge is a good idea, either back to the page that you started from or create an entirely new page for it. 1.02 editor (T/C) 11:46, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The merger proposal is now open for discussion here: Talk:Healthcare_in_Singapore (I understand this seems unusual that the page in question is not involved in merger but I wanted to create a central page for discussion).--Officer781 (talk) 12:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I will say keep the draft and improve on it. If you ask me, this article deserves to be created. I don't mind having the articles merged.TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 12:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC on List of heads of Colonial Singapore by education
I have requested for comments over the propose deletion of List of heads of Colonial Singapore by education by admin MilborneOne. Would appreciate comments from other editors on this and how to improve on this article. Thanks. Flipchip73 (talk) 06:45, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if you are interested on this type of topics. If yes, please help to comment and advice if any. If no, kindly re-direct or invite any editors you may know has this area of interest. Thanks. Flipchip73 (talk) 06:45, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * not particularly my interest. But having a list out of nowhere seems odd, even if there is a precedence for it. I can only think of one kind of use for it: people needing it for homework or some obscure work assignment. robertsky (talk) 06:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Singapore at GAN
For some reason Singapore is going though a GAN now, and since there is many areas that are not meeting the Good Article Critera, i would like to ask that the members of the project work together to bring the article to GA status. 1.02 editor (T/C) 10:40, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The talkpage indicated User:Feinoa nominated it for a GAN, currently the status is on hold. Definitely can pitch in to get it to GA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanothersgwikieditor (talk • contribs) 19:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it is suggested by SuggestBot to me to fix for these couple of weeks. I guess its time to get cracking. robertsky (talk) 06:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Came here to announce the GAN and found that 1.02 editor has already done so. Nice one. I'm impressed with this project. Yes, please help out people. Giving the article a quick look it initially gives the impression of a quick fail, but the issues are actually superficial, and the article itself seems quite decent, and I don't think it would take too much effort to get it to GA. SilkTork (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Impact of climate change on Singapore
Are there enough sources out there for someone to write on the impact of climate change on Singapore? If you have any, put them here so that the resulting work can either be a section in Singapore like Tuvalu or standalone page like Effects of global warming on Sri Lanka, depending on the content. Raising this here since PM Lee had raised a 100-year plan to combat climate change during the recent NDR 2019 (and I still have another article to rework on, no time for research). robertsky (talk) 06:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination
For those who are interested, there are more nominations by Feinoa. While the nominated articles might not get picked to get reviewed, it is always good to review those articles ourselves and enhance it.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 10:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * hmm... we need to do something about the list of nominated articles above it. in fact, I think we probably need to do an overhaul on the entire page. lols. robertsky (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead! It does need a revamp but as per title of project, it certainly looks more like a noticeboard than anything :P --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move of Yishun Bus Interchange to Yishun Integrated Transport Hub
Discussion at Talk:Yishun Bus Interchange. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 10:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Years in Singapore pages
An editor,, is very interested in getting our Years in Singapore pages to better quality with better information etc. He is asking for more eyes and help. Do help him if you like do. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:03, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Justanothersgwikieditor. The thing is, a random IP user 203.211.155.36 and so many others kept trying to tell me I made typos, so I was wondering if your can check my edits and contribute latest happenings at the same time, thus improving the articles. Thanks. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 02:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Do not worry about these IP editors, we are not perfect, so if there are minor errors and typo/grammer errors, other editors, and bots, will actually help to edit. Do up your good content first and worry about the others later.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Justanothersgwikieditor. Truly appreciate your help. I edit to increase people's awareness of what is happening in Singapore. Should you find things that are not notable, please feel free to remove and explain why. I will continue to do even better. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 02:21, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're worrying about typos and grammar errors you could post to WP:CLEANUP, but there's a large backlog so it may take a while. (I have exams until next Friday, otherwise I would go take a look myself.) ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:22, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer KN2731. I will still do my best to ensure my edits are reliable and accurate. Meanwhile, to the IP user that starts with 203.211.155.XX (cause there are many codes), please stop looking at the edits. If you see any mistakes, just fix them. Do not approach my talkpage anonymously anymore. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 10:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Need help to update Future developments in Singapore article
Hi there. Need help with drafting further updates to this wiki page as new infrastructure projects keep coming up. Page needs to be updated to be in line with current projects. In addition, some "non-existent" projects are displayed under "Others" section of the page. I will need help to confirm that these projects are non-existent so that if proven, I will delete the section. I will appreciate if a review is done. Thanks. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 17:06, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Updating of related Singapore pages
Hi SGpedian's,

I am asking for help in updating the following pages that are linked in the Singapore article. The reason for doing so is that many of these pages are outdated for a year or two already. In no order of preference:
 * Foreign relations of Singapore
 * Economy of Singapore
 * Employment in Singapore
 * Tourism in Singapore - To be rewritten to expand on details of how singapore's tourism industry is being molded by the government.
 * Transport in Singapore
 * Water supply and sanitation in Singapore
 * Port of Singapore
 * NEWater
 * Demographics of Singapore
 * Race in Singapore
 * Singaporeans
 * Religion in Singapore
 * Education in Singapore
 * Healthcare in Singapore
 * Singaporean literature
 * Music of Singapore
 * Media of Singapore

robertsky (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * One suggestion is to add changes in events based on the "Years in Singapore" pages. Some of the events added might be relevant in updating some of these pages. This information can be expanded into paragraphs when written in the actual articles. Like for NEWater, new water plants that opened can be included. I will try to help out where possible. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 18:35, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Dr. Wu Lien-teh
I happened to skim through Wu Lien-teh and found some additional materials online: http://wulienteh.com/ ; lots of photos, some of which might be in the public domain (Chinese copyright law lasts for 50 years after publication if author is unknown).--Roy17 (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Updating of Index of Singapore-related articles
Given that some of us, if not most, use Index of Singapore-related articles (as suggested) to keep track of changes to Singapore related pages, would it make sense to update the index? I checked the edit history of the page and found that most of the 3.2k+ links were included before (excluding) 2008 (given that the page size didn't increase significantly thereafter). It is a decade plus since, and according to Petscan, a 6 level deep sub-categories scan from Category:Singapore shows 64k pages. I am thinking of scanning for all links using wikipedia's API under Category:Singaporeh and placing an updated list in the Index. Would 64k+ links be too excessive for the Index? robertsky (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You can put on your sandbox and see how the article size pans out to be. I noted Thailand's index is split into multiple articles but add up to roughly 120k size. Singapore index is around 90k+, Malaysia is 102k+ while surprisingly United States is only around 27k+. We can do a split as needed like Thailand. Also, how about just a 5 level deep? --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I will give it a try in my sandbox then. 5 level is about 48k, iirc. robertsky (talk) 16:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * So I have given a go extracting the pages using NodeJS instead (see the github repo). I decided to use the Category tree template to copy out a list of subcategories (see my to-do page). I must say, the 64k pages number from Petscan was over the top. As Straits of Malacca is listed as a subcategory of Singapore, its own subcategories were listed as well, and these included Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia (facepalm). After some quick manual trimming of the sub-categories I want to scan (see category-raw.txt) and deduplicate, there are 2,593 categories left (see category-list.txt). I wrote some NodeJS codes to process the list, and deduplicate the pages as well (see pages2.txt), and ended up with 12,751 pages. There bound to have some pages which are not related to Singapore, however I think these may require some manual weeding. I generated the pages in wiki markup, and the resultant size is 358kB (pages3.txt), see User:Robertsky/List_Singapore_Index. robertsky (talk) 20:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow! There's a lot of effort on your side! I think it is inevitable the index is probably going to be at least 250kB. In general I think it is fine but perhaps some articles have to be manually removed. Instead of scanning depth wise, perhaps listing all articles that has a Singapore related category, like Singapore XXXX (and variants of XXXXSingaporeXXXX) literally as the category name will be more fitting. Articles like 阝 will be filtered out which is otherwise showing up in User:Robertsky/List_Singapore_Index. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It would have been longer if there isn't a pre-built package for wikipedia APIs in NodeJS. The scanning was done at the category tree step. Irrelevant categories are manually removed thereafter. I had removed some more categories since and regenerated the list, removing some 850+ articles and brought the list down to 346kB. There are plenty categories that do not have Singapore or Singapura in the names, i.e. Category:2009 Asian Youth Games (the inaugural Asian Youth Games hosted by Singapore), Category:Aljunied, Category:Anglo-Chinese School (plenty of Singapore neighbourhood, school related categories are named as such), you can refer to category-list.txt for the categories used to extract the list of articles. Why not you let me know what other categories to remove from the category list? In the future I would want to further refine the codes to automate the category selection process (probably a mix of preapproved category list, scanning for new categories, etc), and include a blacklist of irrelevant articles that somehow gotten inside. If there are no other major changes, let's shift updated list into the actual list? robertsky (talk) 03:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * FYI, there is a list of long articles on wikipedia, most of them are lists. . This would be in the top 300 rankings. robertsky (talk) 03:54, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * FYI, I have refined the list of categories scanned, and managed to reduce the list to 10k+ pages. I have updated the main list, and from the looks of the diff, the only category which I may need to reinclude is Category:Birds of Southeast Asia. The tool I created is still raw. I will update tool as and when I can. The list will be updated periodically (targeting every other week) to catch new/removed pages. robertsky (talk) 17:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, I noted you have updated the index already, thanks! Just another thought, how about only listing those articles with talkpages that has Singapore wikiproject added to it? A summary of number of articles at SGpedians' notice board/Article Assessment and the index to have only from FA articles down to the only book? It will be trimmer and a better representation? Sorry for the late replies as I am busy with work till now and only be able to give it some thought until now. Thanks --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Just did a run with just the Categories in the AA and I remembered why I didn't start with this. I had a hypothesis that users are more likely to tag the articles with Singapore-related categories than with wikiproject. I didn't test out the hypothesis until your reply, and it was right. The number of pages is definitely lower, but it will miss out Singapore related pages such as 100plus, 118 (TV series), etc. Going through the list of changes, I feel that we will need to do more instead to assess more Singapore related articles that have been added over the years. Maybe we can come up with a list of possible Singapore related articles which are have not been assessed, but until that list falls below (say...) 1% from the initial onset (4000+ articles have not being assessed if we use the number of lines removed in the diff as a gauge), I think the list I have updated should remain. That being said, it seems that I did miss out some train related categories. robertsky (talk) 13:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * People are less enthusiastic with marking talkpage with projects, some may find it unnecessary but we do have categories fixers out there so definitely that will be more inclusive compared to Project tagging. I can understand your rationale and think we can keep as it is now. I try to find some time to go through your categories and mark those not related out. Again, thanks for all the hard work! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late updates as I was busy with work and personal life. These categories need to be removed - Category:Articles containing Ruby‎, Category:French people of Bugis descent‎, Category:Varieties of Chinese, Category:Miss Universe 1987 contestants‎, Category:Standard Chinese‎ and Category:Meridian Secondary School‎ needs to be nominated for deletion. Otherwise the rest looks fine! Appreciate the work! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 10:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. I did an eyeball of the articles that will be removed. I don't see an issue with the removal of these categories. I will update the list over the weekend after I check in for new categories to be included. robertsky (talk) 03:31, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Peter Kee Lin Ng
Can I just say that after entering in entries about Bettas, P. K. L. Ng is a national treasure and I am ashamed to say that I just don’t have the time to fully document his article. For the record, I’m not a Singaporean so I cannot claim any national bias, but this guy has seriously advanced our understanding of the natural world. If anyone has the time, it would be amazing to see his article improved - I have to say my initial stub article is fairly dire :-( - Chris.sherlock (talk) 06:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Enforce use of Simplified Chinese in Singaporean-based articles
As per suggestion by Robertsky in the Chinese Singaporeans article to create a discussion about this topic, I have suggested to enforce use of Simplified Chinese in Singaporean articles in the lead and content that is based on contemporary times, that is, post-1969 Singapore, which is the year that Singapore started simplifying its Chinese characters. Traditional Chinese can be used in Chinese text in pre-1969 Singapore. All I ask, is for content relating to Singapore that have tons of Chinese text to have this hatnote,
 * "Since Singapore uses Simplified Chinese, the Chinese text used by the lead and all contemporary-based sections should use Simplified Chinese. Traditional Chinese should be used in historical sections based before 1969, which is the year Singapore started Chinese character simplification."

Recently, I have been noticing editing based on changing the Simplified Chinese characters to Traditional Chinese characters in Singapore-based articles, mainly in the article Chinese Singaporeans for no reason, and I believe this may have to do with bias against Simplified Chinese characters. I hope by enforcing the use of Simplified Chinese characters that this can create more edit stability within Singaporean articles and show that Singapore commonly uses Simplified Chinese and not Traditional. - 祝好，Josephua(聊天) 04:19, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * My suggestion was to have this as a discussion so that it can eventually lead to a project-wide MOS adoption. As for whether the hatnote is necessary or not, I would rather seek a larger consensus here. I feel it kinda long and may be unnecessary. robertsky (talk) 07:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I just do not want to keep changing Traditional Chinese text in the wrong places back to Simplified, only to see it changed back to Traditional a few weeks later by an editor. It is not just Singaporean articles, but all articles that have tons of Chinese text in general. Since I am devoted to editing articles based from China and Russia more than Singaporean-based articles, I just think asking for a large consensus is just too much for me. - 祝好，Josephua(聊天) 22:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Josephua, I would like to apologise for my edits. While I agree with your proposal, I disagree with your rationale. There is no need to show that Singapore commonly uses Simplified Chinese and not Traditional. That distinction is arbitrary and we have no problem reading either set. Instead, the character set choice should be based on the time period, context and relevance. We can also compromise with putting both simplified and traditional Chinese together in the text body where it would not appear messy, but leave the title in simplified only. However, I believe that removing the Chinese characters from the article Chinese Singaporeans would be detrimental to the readers. - Regards，Koenfoo(聊天) 16:30, 30 November 2019 (SGT)
 * I disagree with the assertion that we have no problem reading either set. Singapore's Chinese education is primarily in simplified Chinese, and we can take this as a baseline. Recognition of traditional Chinese characters however would have more variance in among the Chinese Singaporean population, as this is dependent on the person's personal interests (i.e. calligraphy, reading lyrics in chinese MVs at KTVs, or in Taiwanese or Hong Kong, etc). robertsky (talk) 15:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends on what is mainly official use by the country or state. If I were to edit a historical China-based, Hong Kong-based, Taiwan-based article, I would have had everything mostly dominated by Traditional Chinese, with Simplified being only under the Infobox Chinese template, since those states use Traditional Chinese as its official writing system. The same goes for China, Malaysia, and Singapore, where Simplified dominates the article while Traditional would only be under the infobox Chinese and under relevant context such as history. There is some use of Traditional Chinese, I understand, but the majority in contemporary times use Simplified. There are some Mainland Chinese who use Simplified Chinese that live in Hong Kong. Should we add more Simplified Chinese in titles and words in zh templates etc. in Hong Kong-based articles than its respective limit in the Infobox Chinese template because of these Mainlander residents? No, because the majority of Hong Kongers use Traditional, and the official writing system is Traditional Chinese. Plus, that would add more useless clutter to the zh templates under the article as well. The same goes for Singapore, who officially uses Simplified Chinese. Prioritize the official writing system of the country of the time first and foremost in its relevant sections. - 祝好，Josephua(聊天) 00:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I deleted the Chinese characters under the Population Profile of Singapore Han Chinese Subgroups Table under Ancestral Origins because they created useless clutter and serve no purpose. Unless there are two city names that have the same pinyin but different Chinese characters, then maybe the Chinese characters can provide some use (like there being two Suzhou's in China), but that is not the case in the table. If I wanted to know the Chinese characters of a city, then I can just go to the link and just find the Hanzi sitting there in the infobox of that article. Otherwise, the characters serve no use in relevance to Chinese people in Singapore, and all the characters do is create a mess, which is why I ridded them. - 祝好，Josephua(聊天) 00:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * a slight variance would be required in Chinese names. There will still be people whose Chinese name is in traditional characters even after independence. robertsky (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand that even after independence, Singapore did not automatically went to hanzi simplification. It was not until 1969 that they started Chinese character simplification. Otherwise, for the sake of the time period, any Singaporean who died before 1969, the article would use Traditional Chinese. Any Singaporean who died after 1969, the article would use Simplified. - 祝好，Josephua(聊天) 06:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikimania 2020 Bangkok
Hi, Just dropping by. Wikimania, Wikimedia's international event will happen for the first time in Southeast Asia, in Bangkok, Thailand on 5-9 August. I am one of the organizers of this event. I encourage you to come there to meet the people of the wikiverse. --Exec8 (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)
There is a discussion at Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) that might warrant your attention. R22-3877 (talk) 09:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)