Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2022 archive

Help needed
Hello. Is there anyone that understands Tamil? Some cleanup needed on MRT/LRT articles on ta.wiki and help would be appreciated. --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 03:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Question: National Library Board
Does anyone have access to the articles in the National Library Board? Like this. Thanks in advance, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , emailed you. – robertsky (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Replied. Cheers, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Meetup?
Hi, just dropping by here. I just want to ask if you are open to have a meetup soon at any hangout locations in the city. Maybe group of 5 or less? --Exec8 (talk) 12:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

AFD on Index of Singapore-related articles
Hi all, please note that the article Index of Singapore-related articles is currently at a AFD discussion. If there are are any comments, please do leave them at the AFD discussion. Thanks! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Telegram group announcement
So.. a few of us here have started a Telegram group for this Wikiproject: https://t.me/wikipedia_singapore. Everyone who's interested in Singapore as a topic is welcome to join. For discourse, we will follow the guidelines at Discord, where applicable, and readily substituted (i.e. pt 11, Discord TOS -> Telegram TOS). – robertsky (talk) 05:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For personal privacy, please disable showing your telephone number to other people who are not on your contact list. -- Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 06:13, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Durian
I have nominated Durian for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 17:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Star Awards 2022
I came to your attention after seeing the article having a poor-quality edit, including copyedit, poor Manual of Style and few typography edits. I did the cleaning and certain fixes but said user happen to make few more mistakes on this. I doubt the user who did the article had done a while ago, but I need your help to assess this situation. SReader65 (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Kinda new here
I'm kinda new here, is this the right place for me to start contributing or doing articles? If there was a question to ask, can I answer here or in your talk page as well? SReader65 (talk) 08:28, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , welcome~! Feel free to start contributing wherever you want. Maybe a favourite topic or having some online/offline reference which you can write into existing articles? While it is generally quiet here, do feel free to write here, somebody may reply you. Of course, the article talkpage or any editor talkpage are good for discussion as well. -- Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 04:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the help and discussion, cheers. In the meantime, I might need your help because there was one former Singaporean editor (that's from this group) who have been wrongfully sockpuppeted after going through some abuse or conflict against another user who was also against the edits; I happen to heard of this user but I have no idea on why it was sockpuppet despite the fact the user was clearly innocent (apparently that was actually that other user fault, not this, but I hoped not on running a risk on doing sockpuppet again, nor interfering it). If anyone can help clean the name, that is good. SReader65 (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @SReader65 as the block is an administrative matter, and it may probably gone through a sockpuppet investigation by an admin, the best person to start the conversation with the admins involved is the affected editor themselves. Through SPI, the admins (or CheckUser perm hodlers) may see more information (that is not available to other users like us, such as IP addresses, browser details, etc), thus more patterns that may have connected the different accounts together. – robertsky (talk) 19:57, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky I get it. However, I also want to answer another question that assuming that SPI has already be decided, if there is an eyewitness or anything else, how to appeal or change the outcome? The aim is that to clear the name of the affected editor and that had it had no relation of the sockpuppet.SReader65 (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @SReader65 See WP:UNBAN for details. – robertsky (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

New Article: PropertyGuru has been rejected
Hi, just posted a draft of my first ever article (please go easy on me) about PropertyGuru after many months of fiddling with it. Aside from some copyediting and minor additions to articles, I'm a total newbie to all things Wiki. Any help much appreciated!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PropertyGuru --Pathologix (talk) 03:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Article has been rejected. Kindly requesting any help to edit it into acceptability! Pathologix (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Being pandatic here. It is not rejected, but declined. There is a difference. Declined draft can still be worked on and resubmitted, rejected drafts are usually considered as a waste of reviewer's resources for further consideration. – robertsky (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Village pump (policy)/Sports notability
The current RfC on sports BLP notability guidelines has spawned a number of proposals. The discussion is still ongoing. Not all will pass, some may. My feel is that there will be changes to WP:NSPORTS which will result in mass deletion of BLPs if no action is taken. Many of these articles are tethering just with database sources. For a start, if anyone is interested in saving Singaporean sportsperson BLPs from eventual deletion, please find non-database sources for the athletes of your favourite sports and update them into the BLPs here. – robertsky (talk) 03:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note that individual sportsperson BLP which passes GNG will of course survive but any other sportsperson whose professional sport league fail any potential WP:NSPORT revision will likely be deleted (if they fail GNG and only quality via sports notability). As per robertsky, do find sources/articles for the leagues and sportsperson and update their articles accordingly.
 * As per all articles, the best is that all articles should be able to pass GNG on their own rather than relying on other type of notability guidelines. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi all, the RfC has closed about a month ago and 2 out of 13 proposals (proposal 3 and 5) are accepted with consensus.
 * Repeating partial statements by the RfC closer :
 * proposal 3 - Taken together (with proposal 4), there is a rough consensus that participation-based criteria are a problem and that the best way forward is to remove them
 * proposal 5 - There is a rough consensus that sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. This is meaningfully different from the proposal; the original proposal required that the source be present from inception, but editors in opposition pointed out the problems with this. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to meet the GNG. Supporters point out that it has the added benefit of reducing the number of one-sentence biographies based on database entries.
 * Please do read the updated WP:NSPORT for the updated guidelines and its talkpage on any other discussion/clarification on the update. -- Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do read the updated WP:NSPORT for the updated guidelines and its talkpage on any other discussion/clarification on the update. -- Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

List of articles we may create for Singapore related topics
With the help of User:Robertsky and scouring through Infopedia (National Library Board), we found 900+ topics that are not in Wikipedia. Some of the topics might have already been covered here as the titles of the articles in infopedia will definitely not match Wikipedia. Some topics might be covered as a section of a bigger topic. The idea here is to increase the number of Singaporean topics being covered in Wikipedia and Infopedia has ready sources for us to read and use as sources to create the article here. The list of articles are here and will be updated in an appropriate place on the main project page.

If a topic is already (partially or fully) covered in Wikipedia, either place a note where is it covered or remove it from the list. The target is to create the article first and then expand on it later. Thanks --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 08:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)


 * If the topic already exists, maybe create a alternative name redirection where possible. this is so that future runs on infopedia can exclude such topics. – robertsky (talk) 10:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also this run is taken from which is out of date by about 2.5 years now, but currently the infopedia website is unusable with its category pages not populating their articles (which was where I had done a run before). – robertsky (talk) 10:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have been creating redirects to existing articles where the Infopedia title seems a plausible search term. Presumably such redirects would be picked up in any future runs avoiding the need to recheck them? CMD (talk) 10:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes. Some may not be feasible though, like first MRT accident. Seloloving (talk) 11:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Content dispute at Certificate of Entitlement
Hi all, there is some content dispute over at Certificate of Entitlement between me and IP editor User:116.89.65.85. Appreciate if anyone like to make any edits or chip in to the discussion over at the talkpage. Thanks --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 06:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Discussion of interest
Wikipedia_talk:Notability valereee (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Singapore as a candidate for Wikimania, the international Wikipedia conference
Singapore is selected as one of the two finalists by the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific (ESEAP) Wikimedia community to be the candidate venue of Wikimania 2023, the the international Wikipedia conference. The other city is Japan. The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and ESEAP will host the event. Wikimedia Foundation will manage the logistics and will contract a local event organizer for the onsite needs of the conference. We appreciate your voice be known and vote for its ratification. Please go to https://w.wiki/5SFv to know more and participate in the discussion. Voting is open to the community until 03:01 UTC 17 July 2022. Thank you! -- Exec8 (talk) 14:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia ESEAP Conference 2022 on November 18-20 in Sydney, Australia
The Wikimedia East, South East Asia and the Pacific also known as ESEAP will be having an in-person conference in Sydney, Australia on November 18-20. ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of nationalities & Wikimedia affiliates of Indonesia, Taiwan, Australia, Korea, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and Vietnam. Membership also include nationalities and informal communities of Brunei, Cambodia, China, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Papua New Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste.

The goals for the conference are:
 * Strategic discussions: ESEAP Hub governance, process of moving from an informal group to more formal structure aligned with the Hubs/Minimum Criteria for Pilots
 * Partnership, Tools & Skills: Outreach and community collaboration support networks; building a network of skill sets so that communities in the region can provide extra outreach support and collaboration across the region; and
 * Leadership development through building networks that encourage new and wider diversity of participants to enable future growth

For more information, please visit the conference page.

Scholarship application (subsidized air fare, accommodation, and relevant fees) is ongoing. You may go to the scholarship page to know more. Deadline for scholarship application is on 24 July (Sunday) at 12:00 UTC (see your local time).

We also call for volunteers to the following committees:
 * Scholarship committee
 * Program submissions review committee
 * Communications committee
 * Onsite & technical volunteers

For inquiries, please reach us at eseap.conf@undefinedwikimedia.org.au.

Thank you! --Exec8 (talk) 04:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Dengue in Singapore mini-project
Thing I am doing. Drop a message on my user talk if interested to collaborate. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 08:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your hard work so far. Would you be inclined to register an account ? Seloloving (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Dengue in Singapore (draft) : Nexus page.
 * status: bullet point summary done, to be fleshed out and references added
 * redirects: Singapore dengue, Singapore dengue outbreak, Dengue outbreak in Singapore, List of dengue outbreaks in Singapore


 * Individual outbreaks
 * 2005 dengue outbreak in Singapore: first big outbreak. status: Could use some cleanup e.g. why are other countries' data even on this page?
 * 2013 dengue outbreak in Singapore: status: Some cleanup done. Needs to be expanded to 2013-14 dengue outbreak in Singapore From epidemiology standpoint is a single outbreak driven by DENV-1 resurgence. 2013 had more cases, but 2014 had a higher peak (891 cases in one week). Academic paper in BMC Infectious Diseases is CC-by-4.0 so text and graphs can be lifted wholesale with attribution. =)
 * 2016 dengue outbreak in Singapore: is somehow in CRED's EM-DAT disaster database, even though fewer cases / lower peak / fewer deaths than previous outbreaks omitted by EM-DAT.
 * 2020 dengue outbreak in Singapore: worst ever. status: done for now (AfC passed, DYK featured)
 * 2022 dengue outbreak in Singapore (draft) : on track for 2nd worst year ever

Removing navigation information from place articles
While looking at random Singapore place articles, I noticed that many of them contain overly detailed information and almost always unsourced information on how to get to said place, such as a list of bus lines. In my opinion, this information is excessive and indiscriminate, and usually constitute original research or inappropriate synthesis. I think mentioning an official connection to an MRT station is fine when verifiable, but would propose that all other information of this type be removed. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 01:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, they should be removed. All of the guides were a product of early Wikipedia where little guidelines or standards exist. Seloloving (talk) 11:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Extensive copyright problems with Singapore place articles
After some digging, I've found that a large number of place articles directly copy or closely paraphrase its etymology and history content from Unfortunately (legally) freely accessible electronic versions don't appear to exist, but the free preview on google books already reveals a large amount of copied content. Physical copies are also available through our libraries. There's too much work for a single editor to take on; thoughts on what to do next would be appreciated. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 12:11, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Darylgolden We should start rewording the etymology and history content obviously, and perhaps we could start compiling a list of revisions to oversight/revdel/whatever. A diehard editor (talk &#124; edits) 12:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Seems like most, if not all of these infringements were caused by, who already has a CCI open. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 12:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Darylgolden And of course, they're blocked as well. A diehard editor (talk &#124; edits) 12:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Darylgolden there is ebook at NLB. https://nlb.overdrive.com/media/%7BA3EAF7A1-A181-4846-98A1-254B594A7BC8%7D – robertsky (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to say that there are 3 physical copies at NLB reference library and if you want, we can have a gathering of sorts to fish for copyvio of the book. – robertsky (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think one session would be too short to find all the copyvio, but I like the idea of a meetup. Darylgolden(talk</b>) Ping when replying 07:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Copyright Act 2021 and freedom of panorama for buildings
Hello everyone, it seems this may have slipped under the radar and I only realised it recently.

Per the Copyright Act 2021, every single building in Singapore is now considered copyrighted. While photos are still allowed under freedom of panaroma, all photos of buildings must incorporate the FoP-Singapore tag. Please take note.

Please see Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Singapore#Threshold_of_originality for more details. Seloloving (talk) 05:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Strike through as it was apparently already law, but was not included until Commons until recently. Please take note regardless. Seloloving (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Template:Singapore legislation
This template needs to be updated as chapter numbers have been abolished. See https://www.agc.gov.sg/our-roles/drafter-of-laws/legislation-and-revisions. 203.218.141.176 (talk) 04:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Noted. I do have a longstanding task related to this. Will have a look at this again. – robertsky (talk) 04:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Requesting help at President of Singapore
There has been a dispute for a few months now at the President of Singapore page. On the one hand, a number of editors have edited the article's lead to include details of the president's constitutional powers in addition to her ceremonial role as head of state. On the other hand, some editors have consistently reverted these edits, arguing that her ceremonial role is more important, and that her constitutional powers should not be kept. Both sides are unwilling to discuss it in the talk page, so the lead just keeps changing every few days — this has gone on many, many times. I am hoping that someone can step in the matter and assist with the dispute resolution. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 07:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dawkin Verbier The only editor involved whom you pinged on the talk page has been blocked as a new sock master for a week (3 days left)(?!). Maybe involve the other editors as well first? – robertsky (talk) 08:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have just pinged them. On a second look, I suspect that the other editors (advocating for constitutional powers) I pinged may just be that blocked editor's sockpuppet account... The other editor (advocating for a ceremonial description) is also notorious for not communicating on Wikipedia. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 08:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The Buddha
The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha Best,  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  04:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

A request to the admins.
To WikiProject Singapore, including admins @Mailerdaemon and @Khaosworks101,

As if you know by now, there is a Singaporean sockpuppet named Agt2008fan who have been abusing and vandalise Wikipedia articles for a very long time, including defacement and impersonation of several Singaporean high-profile members such as Lee Hsien Loong. This kind of long-time abuse as well as the impersonation are both illegal in Singapore, so I ask this kind advice to please lodge a police report as soon as possible. Wikipedia is a public domain and we hate this kind of vandalism, so we ask of you to help stop this menace.

Thank you. 219.74.161.252 (talk) 09:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, Agt2008fan hasn't made any contributions since 2013, and the sockpuppet investigations led to a banning of a whole slew of accounts. The main account has also been blocked indefinitely since 2013. Has there been any new sockpuppet activity you want to bring to our attention? khaosworks101 (talk) 09:47, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a community effort. Since you are aware that the said account is a sock, you should also be aware that there is a system here to revert edits or revdel edits if necessary as well as blocking new sock accounts when they appear. Do report new suspected sock accounts at Sockpuppet investigations/Agt2008fan if you come across them. Feel free to file your own police report if you think it is appropriate. Also there is also the option of denying the person behind the socks recognition. – robertsky (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I had no doubt that the person who populated all the vandalism and summary patterns, got to be the same person, Agt2008fan. However, it is appropriate if you call the police if you want, but impersonating a high-profile user could also be a scam or is against the law. If you want to, please do your part. Thank you. 219.74.161.252 (talk) 11:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Most, if not all, of the edits and accounts were caught pretty quickly and dealt with by many editors in a timely manner. There isn't much lasting damage done, imo. If the impersonation is truly an issue, it would be more appropriate for the actual victims to take the necessary action, not us. I can't speak for the rest here, but while it is an annoyance, I don't see the need for myself to intervene and file a police report. Oh yes, if you say it is illegal, do state the relevant statutory laws (and sections) and/or case laws, cuz I am unclear as to which laws this LTA activity is subjected to. – robertsky (talk) 12:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)