Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skiing and Snowboarding/Archive 1

Change to Infobox
I have added the ability to show the resorts snowmaking and night skiing capacity to the infobox, which are both big draws for most eastern ski areas. -- Ubergenius 15:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Template for Trails
I have used the following table on my first WikiProject Ski page (Wachusett Mountain Ski Area) and was wondering if you think it should be used on all WikiProject Ski pages:

Just a thought, to keep some unity between page content. -- Ubergenius 14:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure a list of trails is called for, mostly due to lack of notability. It's appropriate for an article to refer to a particular named run which is notable:  for example a well-known movie shot a scene on it, or where a plane crashed.  But famous-so-and-so's favorite run is trivia, not enlightenment.  I would think a well-written ski area article describes the area's general characteristics—terrain difficulty distribution (or number of runs) and uphill capacity—as well as its unique attributes—1964 Olympic site, world's first gondola, etc.  — EncMstr 18:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I could go either way on this, I understand how a full list of trails for some of the larger resorts (Whistler, Vail) with tons of runs could take up half the page and most people will skip over it. Something like this might be better over at HookedonWinter.com. We should probably start adding links to the HookedonWinter Wiki in the See Also or References sections of all the pages (ie. Okemo). It has tons of good info for people who want to actually go there and want info other than vital stats, etc. Zzz345zzz 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps just a count of the trails in each major category? I now agree that having a comprehensive list is probably a bit much, especially considering places with hundreds and hundreds of trails, but maybe a simple difficulty count, like this:

Would that be more suitable? -- Ubergenius 18:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the latter is much more appropriate. It would be nice to have expert stand out more, perhaps using Jackson Hole coloring: It would be really nice to standardize the categories, but that runs into problems with WP:V. Have a look at Timberline Lodge ski area. I was fortunate to find a source who calculated detailed statistics and defined the slope ratings. Admittedly, that table is a little intense for most readers—that's why the preceding paragraph gives a simple description. — EncMstr 19:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have modified Wachusett Mountain Ski Area, the first WikiProject Ski page I created, to reflect this change. I like this new format, it's much more clean. -- Ubergenius 19:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't know how much this is dragging up old business, but as someone who has only ever skied in Europe this looks strange. Would other users find it confusing if the colours of the table were defined by the colours used by the resort's host nation? I know (read: think) US and Canada are Green/Blue/Black/Double Black Diamond, but France use Green/Blue/Red/Black and Switzerland use Blue/Red/Black (either no 'Easier', or no 'Experts Only', depending on how arrogant you are. I guess there's a tradeoff between consistency between articles across borders, and accuracy/usability of the individual article. Thoughts? HazardousWaster 10:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we set this up as a template (in the " " sense) such that we can use parameters like "easier=35" or "most-difficult=12," with 35 and 12 being the number of those trails?  Then we could just throw it into articles, AND changes to the WP:SKI template would apply to all pages that use the template (for uniformity).  00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * HazardousWaster is right, we ought to consider that different resorts use different systems...Snowbird UT has intermediate ratings like Blue Square/Black Diamond...this could be dealt with in a template though. Maybe if it was just in the resort box (I mean add a few optional parameters to the resort sidebar).   14:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Infobox
Would it be a good idea to create a infobox template for alpine skiers? But I don't know how to make them. Sporki 18:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I made a really basic info bos we can use for athletes. If you want try to fool around with it, its not very good. Zzz345zzz 08:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it would be cool to have the infobox have stuff like movies, comp wins, etc. PJ 17:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I totally agree. It seemed to me like it was time someone created an infobox template specifically for alpine World Cup skiers. (They already exist for many other types of athletes, including World Cup ski jumpers.)  I created a preliminary one; I'd never made one before, so go easy on me if I did something wrong — although I did try to emulate other existing athlete infobox templates.  (This one is basically a hybrid of the generic "Athlete" one and the "Ski jumper" one.)  It would be great to see someone make a similar template for freestyle skiers, newschoolers, etc.

I have added this to WikiProject Ski's list of templates, and implemented the template at Template:Infobox Alpine ski racer. There is discussion of this template going on over at Talk:2007 Alpine Skiing World Cup.

Here is an example of how it would look for an individual athlete:

Charolastra charolo 05:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Slight problem guys. Since a lot of our athletes cross over into Olympic territory, there's also an Olympics infobox that is being used on some skiers pages, such as Bode Miller, as well as the template here. I like the way the medals are displayed on is as coloured boxes, and I don't think we really need birthdays or height, as that will go in the main article. However there are some parts of the template we've created for skiers that I like such as world cup debut, ski club and sponsor (though is mentioning the sponsor advertising? Hmmm.) I'd rather make all our articles uniform and I don't want to go around doing something nobody wants, so can we decide which box to use? My vote goes to the olympic one, as it shows which medals were won when/where as opposed to just a number.Apocalypsecabaret (talk) 22:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we can steal the Olympic infobox and modify that? At least so Bode Miller and any other skier look the same? --Unionhawk Talk 00:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's a little complicated... nevermind...--Unionhawk Talk 00:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I say olympic.--Unionhawk Talk 00:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Infobox ski area
I've made a infobox for ski resorts: Template:Infobox ski area. It contains info for ski areas (such as top and base elevation, anual snowfall, lift system, runs (trails), location). Qyd(talk)16:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I added that to the WikiProject Ski list of templates. Instead of placeholders, it probably should have—at a minimum—logo and photo entries. EncMstr 16:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Companies
I'm all about this project. Should we make some more categories? For example: etc? PJ 16:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Companies
 * Skis
 * Boots
 * Clothing
 * Goggles
 * Helmes
 * Resorts
 * East
 * West

Sign Up
If anybody is interested in helping out leave a message here of what you want to start working on. I added a template for skiiers' profiles if you want to use it (or edit it if you want). Also we could use ones for mountains, companies, ect. If you edit any page dont forget to add the join template thing to the discusion page. Zzz345zzz 07:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm in, and I have already created an article about Wachusett Mountain Ski Area in Princeton, Massachusetts and added it to the project. I plan to continue working on various New England resort pages, as that is where most of my skiing knowledge derives from. -- Ubergenius 14:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm in. I just added a section to Breckenridge's page, I think a lot of the resorts need updates of stuff the people who will go to the resorts want to read. --Keflavich 19:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to help. As I get time, I've been updating the articles for a lot of the Colorado resorts that I go to. I've added a "Statistics" sections to several articles like the one seen on the Breckenridge, CO page. I've thought about standardizing that into some sort of template, so perhaps something similar can be incorporated into the template that is being created. Thiseye 05:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm an avid skier, and would love to join this Project. I do not do a lot of wikipedia work, but if I ever have something to contribute to a ski-related article, I do so.  It'd be great to be a member of this project, and I await a decision. RideABicycle 02:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've joined, and have made my first contrib on Falls Creek. My edits will be on Aussie ski resorts. Kingutd 10:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Zzz - tell me what page you want me to work on and I'll do it. Too tired to have my own direction right now :-) -- PJ 14:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Mikeh0303 - I can get info on the armada ski company.


 * HazardousWaster - interested in technique/technology pages, e.g. Carve Turn -- HazardousWaster 10:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * -- I hope to contribute to resort pages for Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire, the Mid-Atlantic region, and the Southeast; I look forward to working with you all!  Baileypalblue 21:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm interested in helping update the K2 page. Now that K2-Inc is part of Jarden, "K2" is more who it used to be: the ski & snowboard (& more) brand, no longer the parent company of Rawlings, etc.  But I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia, so this might take me a while.  For starters: there should be a separate "Jarden" page that covers alot of the K2-Inc stuff, and "K2" can be it's own thang....  I'll dive into this more after I read up on how to do it right....Shuksan Arm 21:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just started pages for the equipment category Dual Edge Snowboard, and the company that has developed a potentially commercially viable version of this category, Deuce Snowboards. I tried to keep it as factual and neutral as possible for something that is completely new and offered by only one company.  If you have some time, please do a quick check for any thing that is glaringly wrong (not glaringly new). Thanks. (71.142.67.67 (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC))


 * I can help with Stowe, Vermont message me if you want me to help.--Conor Fallon (talk) 22:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have already been working my way around the European resorts, would be up for helping where required. Tell171 (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Pages edited by members
These are pages that our members have worked on so far, but are not necessarily done. Keep adding to the list by adding stubs, or the Category template on the main page. To view pages click here or on the WikiProject Ski category link at the bottom on any page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zzz345zzz (talk • contribs) 21:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC).


 * Wachusett Mountain Ski Area in Princeton, Massachusetts -
 * Indianhead Mountain in Wakefield,Wisconsin -
 * WilmotMountain in Wilmot,Wisconsin -

Competitions
How about a section or few pages on various big competitions (ie x games, us open, etc.)? Take a look at Bode Miller's page. There's a whole template at the bottom of all the past winners for world cups. That would be cool to have for some of the competitions.

PJ 17:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Combination
I was looking at the wikiproject sport and was looking at the lack of a Wikiproject winter sport. But then i found wikiproject ski. Would it be an idea to make an larger wikiproject that included all the elements from wikiproject ski and from it into a large wikiproject winter sports that included much more that just the skiing side of winter sports. Such as
 * everything wikiproject ski has
 * snowboarding
 * bobsleding etc
 * winter olympics
 * redlinks from snowsport pages such as winter sport

Just like to know your thoughts on this Edwardkindred

Trail difficulty
There should be an article on the common scales of ranking the difficulty of ski runs and their corresponding symbols, i.e. easy/intermediate/advanced, green circle/blue square/black diamond, exports only, double black diamonds, triangular yellow caution signs, etc. Right now, Black Diamond only has a short explanation about that single ranking and a link to Alpine Skiing, which doesn't talk about it at all. Pimlottc 23:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I now see there is a bit of this discussion in the Skiing article. I missed it since Alpine Skiing is a seperate article.  Those should probably be merged.
 * Regardless, I still think it would be better to have a seperate article for this topic. Pimlottc 23:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Just cuz it's summer...
I've noticed that there hasn't been an update to the project page or discussion in almost a month. I say we get back into it while we have time, since we're not all out on the slopes. What da ya say?! PJ 20:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a good idea. But I guess that the former interested users have lost interest in doing this and moved on to other things. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  20:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess the OG's can't handle the pressure. I'm in though...it's July and I'm starting to twitch from lack of snow! --Iskitoofast4u 04:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

stub type for renaming
I just found your ski stub template today, and I've put it up for renaming at WP:SFD. The standard naming convention is that stub-types are hyphenated, like ski-stub. Also, please go through WikiProject Stub sorting Proposals first before creating stubs for your Project. Thanks, ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  14:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

HookedOnWinter
I figured this was probably the best place to talk about this. I started a new website dedicated to skiing and snowboarding and all things related. It has a wiki. The rules are different in it, but it's the same program as this one. The main difference is that opinion is not only allowed, but asked for. Go check it out. Tell me what you think.

HookedOnWinter.com

PJ


 * Update - I'm officially marketing my site now, and am putting out press releases tomorrow. Would anyone be opposed to me adding a link to the Skiing and Newschool pages? Searles2sels (PJ) 22:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Movies
Thought we should add/expand some pages for movies and prod. companies (MSP, TGR, PBP, etc). Zzz345zzz

Mission
New season starting soon and we should get some new pictures for the pages. (The little skier we have in all the templates is getting old.) Be sure to let us know when you upload some new ones so we can check them out and use them. Zzz345zzz 02:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Cross country skiing
Is the project also for real skiing (I mean cross country skiing) or just for downhill skiing? The name suggest that both should be included but the project page does not look like that. --Jan Smolik 21:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we can assume that cross country skiing fits in here as well. Otherwise, it should be renamed to downhill skiing or something like that.Larspedia 19:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ski Portal?
Yes, no, maybe? I think it deserves more than just the Sports and Games portal, I mean, figure skating has it's own why shouldn't we. Opinions?  Canadian - Bacon  t  c   e 08:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)