Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archives/2023/January

New Wikipedia lay out
Hello can I ask. Are other people frustrated with the new Wikipedia lay out changes ?. Can anyone here explain why some players career sections are neat and tidy where the drop down sections are closed at all times and other players for example like Ray Reardon and Terry Griffiths have a drop down menu which is open at all times which looks very untidy. Is there a way to keep the drop down menus closed on players pages which would make the pages look tidy please ?. 31.200.129.208 (talk) 11:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)


 * No idea what you're referring to. You always seem unaware that everyone sees the articles in different ways. What's happened is that we now have the WP:VECTOR2022 skin as the new default. Personally I find this ok except for the narrowing of the central part, which has been done to improve users "reading experience". Users can click on the little box at the bottom-right to toggle between narrow and wide (on my screen anyway!). Logged-in users can go back to the old version by going to Preferences->Appearance where they can select the "Vector legacy (2010)" skin. They can also unclick "Enable limited width mode" to make the wide mode their default. There's even less reason now to edit articles so that they look "neat and tidy" on your own screen, this just messes it up for other users. Nigej (talk) 13:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest, as a blocked user, you refrain from editing Wikipedia. The new skin is changeable from your account settings. I suggest logging into your account, changing the skin to "Vector 2010 (legacy)" and then just read the site.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Despite what's been said above, DF147 has made edits to 2022–23 snooker season putting in specific widths for columns, presumably to tune it up to be "neat and tidy" on his own screen. I don't think he's ever going to understand the issue here, or perhaps he just doesn't care. Nigej (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Revert per WP:DENY is the only solution. I do ban /64 when I see it, but there's plenty of ways to get around this.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Shoot out centuries
At Snooker Shoot Out we are listing all of the century breaks across all of the events. We don't do that on any other event. I get that making a century is rare in the event, but a proseless, sourceless list of all of the centuries seems a bit irrelevant. Any thoughts on viability?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I think its pretty important to list centuries in this way, since like you say, getting one in the Shoot-Out is extremely rare. I wouldn't necessarily say the information is "sourceless", merely that they've been copied from the individual editions so they can be found more easily for readers. -- CitroenLover (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, so we should cite this in the article we are reading. I'm not sure something being rare is a good enough reason to have a list of something.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Where we have articles for a particular event, then articles like Snooker Shoot Out should be a summary of those sub-articles. 2. It's nearly always a mistake to replicate detailed information in two different articles. On that basis I'd be in favour of deleting it. I see it's slightly different in that it's arranged by player, e.g. you can see that Gould has made 3 centuries, something not obvious from an individual articles (unless it's in the prose). An option would be to trim the list to players who've made more than one century, three people at the moment it seems: e.g. "There have been 26 centuries in the event. The following players have made multiple centuries." Even then we ought to have a source for it. Nigej (talk) 21:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)