Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spain/Archive 8

History of chocolate in Spain
Here's an idea for the English Wikipedia.

The Spanish Wikipedia has eS:Historia del chocolate en España - There is no English version, and the Spanish article is featured.

Who would be interested in starting an English version? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys for translating the article! WhisperToMe (talk) 03:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not done yet. Over half of it has been translated but the article can still be added to. Valenciano (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Black Legend
An editing dispute at Talk:Black Legend (in which I am involved) requires extra eyes form people who know Spanish history and colonial history in general.·Maunus· ƛ · 20:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Music of Extremadura


The article Music of Extremadura has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * A search for references found two published (gBooks) using the phrase "Music of Extremadura". Insufficient WP:RS to meet WP:V and WP:N

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 18:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will get some sourcing for this in the next week or so. I have remove the prod. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Jewish quarter Saragossa images
Hello! Can you, please, help with my desperate need to get images of former Jewish quarter (call) in Saragossa usable in Wiki? I need it for ru:Крескас, Хасдай = es:Hasdai Crescas. Great thanks! --lkitross (talk) 10:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * w:Category:Judaism in Zaragoza. Courtesy of . --lkitross (talk) 08:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Province categories
I've started a discussion here about the category names for Spanish provinces. Please weigh in there if you have an opinion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Closure of French/Spanish border June 1945
I know this is not accurate as I was on a train from Paris to Madrid on my 7th birthday - 8th November 1945 - on a journey returning to Lisbon (where my father was stationed) from a home visit to London.We flew to Paris and then from Madrid to Lisbon It was a difficlt journey for us because although we had first class tickets and my mother had a GB passport, she also was showing off by wearing a scarf with lots of flags on it and brazenly displayed the Hammer and sickle on one shoulder! We were eventually allowed to travel 3rd class which had wooden seats (which I had not experieinced before) the ordinary people were very kind and when they heard it was my birthday they gave me a large orange! She was hassled in Madrid until we were eventually helped by someone who I think was from the Swedish embassy/consul/charge d'affaires. I remember the events very clearly. PaddyBeck (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. What article are you referring to? Also, although I do not dispute your account, information in Wikipedia needs to be backed up by verifiable and reliable sources. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I found this: "France closed its southern border on 28 February 1946 and it remained shut for almost three years." This supports you information that the border was open in November 1945. If you tell us which article you are referring to the information can be corrected. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Vaca toposa
I can't find anything about Vaca toposa online, and the article is unreferenced. Can someone with expertise in the subject please take a look? Thanks, Shire Reeve (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:Reference desk is the place to ask. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Chameleons
This question relates to our article Sagrada Família.

I'm told there are stone chameleons on either side of the Nativity facade of the Sagrada Família. Could an editor in Barcelona or vicinity please find out how many there are on each side?

I expect there is a guidebook with detailed information but I don't have it. Thank you, Wanderer57 (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Spain related?
I am not experienced enough here, to know, whether this article, about an american artist, working in her exceptional studio in Majorca, is regarded as spain-related, and which start-class on the project's quality scale it deserves. If someone simply would enroll it, for any kind of appropriate review, I would next time know, how to do it myself. Any suggestions?--Fluss (talk) 12:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added to relevant projects with a preliminary assessment. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

how
why dont any of u all know anything about this country go out there and find something out about it besides the population please it would help out every one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pine2222 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Request for comments.
Sorry, I don't know how to add this to the correct section. Could anyone help with comments on this article I have translated and edited: Holy Child of La Guardia. Many thanks User:jkslouth 17:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reassessed this a start class, there are a number of uncited statements. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Background of the Spanish Civil War
Having created this article, I know wonder how much of it could be used to improve other articles. Since I don't know much of the layout of these "other articles", I'm sure you lot can do better. (I'm hoping to improve WP's coverage of the Civil War substantially in the long term.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:28, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

How did the Spanish Surname Gomez come to India?
The Spanish Surname Gomez is found in India. I wish to know to how and when. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagitarian86 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Reference desk/Humanities would be the place to ask. My personal opinion that it would be a result of Portuguese colonial influence. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:28, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

RfC notification
A new discussion on wording changes to the current guideline to clarify the use of diacritics for subjects whose native names contain them has been initiated. It can be found at Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 08:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Move request regarding Spanish noble, claimant to the throne of France
Readers of this page may be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposal notification
There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) on adopting a naming convention for places in Spain. Take a look if you're interested. Dohn joe (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

New cleanup listing
I have added the new cleanup listing service to the project page. Looks like we have some work to do, 27.4% are tagged for some form of cleanup. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The bull "Raton" second kill never exist. It's a mistake
In the article Wikipedia say:

"Ráton's second kill was made in 2008 in the arena of Benifairó near Valencia[5] when he attacked a 27-year-old amateur matador, catching the man only two feet from safety. After hitting the man from behind, Ratón threw him in the air several times before leaving him trampled in the ring with fatal injuries.[3]

It's a great Mistake! Raton never runs in Benifairó in 2008. You can red this information of principal newspaper of Valencia.

"The truth is that this bull ten years has already been charged, since it went on the arena for the first time, two victims. The first was in Puerto de Sagunto in 2006 when he killed a man gored 50. The video, the Internet was seen by thousands. Since then, he awarded dozens of horns, including one in Valencia, Fallas, when gored three times a man in Valencia. This attack is one of the best known and it was from there when the legend began to widen. The runner was about to reach the barrier when "Mouse" hit him from behind and turned several times before letting trampled on the ground, when the organizers decided to suspend the celebration after the young man away to morlaco attacked by upon the release of a tame game. The aura of danger surrounding the "Mouse" grows with performances like that. In fact, to adjudicate other deaths, such as in Benifairó in 2008 when the deceased died after being beaten by a cow, or Museros, where a dozen people were gored by "Mouse", with no regrets the death of any of them."

Here is the link to the information in spanish: http://www.levante-emv.com/comunitat-valenciana/2011/08/16/canals-promociona-toro-sanguinario/832378.html

The bull "Raton" second kill never exist. It's a mistake
In the article Wikipedia say:

"Ráton's second kill was made in 2008 in the arena of Benifairó near Valencia[5] when he attacked a 27-year-old amateur matador, catching the man only two feet from safety. After hitting the man from behind, Ratón threw him in the air several times before leaving him trampled in the ring with fatal injuries.[3]

It's a great Mistake! Raton never runs in Benifairó in 2008. You can red this information of principal newspaper of Valencia.

"The truth is that this bull ten years has already been charged, since it went on the arena for the first time, two victims. The first was in Puerto de Sagunto in 2006 when he killed a man gored 50. The video, the Internet was seen by thousands. Since then, he awarded dozens of horns, including one in Valencia, Fallas, when gored three times a man in Valencia. This attack is one of the best known and it was from there when the legend began to widen. The runner was about to reach the barrier when "Mouse" hit him from behind and turned several times before letting trampled on the ground, when the organizers decided to suspend the celebration after the young man away to morlaco attacked by upon the release of a tame game. The aura of danger surrounding the "Mouse" grows with performances like that. In fact, to adjudicate other deaths, such as in Benifairó in 2008 when the deceased died after being beaten by a cow, or Museros, where a dozen people were gored by "Mouse", with no regrets the death of any of them."

Here is the link to the information in spanish: http://www.levante-emv.com/comunitat-valenciana/2011/08/16/canals-promociona-toro-sanguinario/832378.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.224.250.83 (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Note
nominated List of FC Barcelona seasons for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Strawberry on Vanilla (talk) 14:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

"Flaco"
I've made an article about the spanish footballer Flaco, but after some research I realize that this rather unknown footballer (he played in the Norwegian Premier League), shouldn't have the pagename "Flaco" for himself, since it means skinny and is rather common as a nickname (?). Where should I move the article? His full name is José María Glaría Avizanda, and I believe Glaría is the paternal name. José Glaría, José Flaco Glaría, José María Glaría Avizanda, or just leave it under it's current name ? Mentoz86 (talk) 09:32, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

an orphan wants you to help him
Dear authors of the " WikiProjet Spain” Wikipedia entry: Concerning your article, may I cordially suggest you to read the text “The TK Theory of Visual Proportions” and, if necessary, link or cross-reference the latter article with the former. Please contact me in case you have any doubts or questions. Yours, espaisNT. --EspaisNT (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC) --EspaisNT (talk) 10:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Dahlen
Article: Battle of Dahlen

The "Battle of Dahlen" has been re-assessed as "B Class" for the WikiProjects including WikiProject Spain. Could someone from WP Spain, assess the "Importance" attribute of the template? It would be appreciated very much. Adamdaley (talk) 10:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Antoni Gaudí GA review
The article Antoni Gaudí is currently under Good Article review. There are just a few more cleanup details left so it can pass. Any help would be appreciated. Elizium23 (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Patones Arriba
I have re-drafted this article - mostly from the guidebook. My proposal is here: User:Timpo/sandbox Request advice before replacing existing article Timpo (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Unió de Radioaficionats de Catalunya


This new article has no references to reliable sources, and I am not able to find any. Can anyone help?  Chzz  ► 22:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Barcelona#A few changes
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Barcelona. Elizium23 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Barcelona Catalonia or Barcelona Spain?
Hello everyone, I'm hoping that there's some kind of Wikipedia consensus view about this question. An editor has been going around to articles of football players and changing "Barcelona Spain" to "Barcelona Catalonia" (e.g. here). I know there are complicated and nationalistic issues involved but I was hoping there was a consensus view on which is the preferred form. Any thoughts? SQGibbon (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My thoughts is that you might include Catalonia, but Spain should be included either way. Like "Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain" or "Barcelona, Spain" P.S. This is a very quiet WikiProject, so if you might try your question in WP Football aswell. Mentoz86 (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, my feeling also was that Spain needed to be included at the least. Given how contentious a nationalistic issue this might be I'm guessing that it's been discussed in some detail and may be a part of a guideline or even ArbCom ruling but I've been unable to find any such reference.  I was hoping someone might have something I can point this editor to.  I have posted the question at WT:FOOTY so maybe people there will have some additional ideas. SQGibbon (talk) 00:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Resolved. I had feared that the issue was one of nationalism but it turned out to be more of a MOS and article structure problem. The entire thing was resolved by following MOS:BIO which is reiterated at WP:FOOTY. SQGibbon (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

RFC ar Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)
There has been a brewing issue at WP:RM over WP:HOCKEY recommendations and how they should be applied over WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. Basically the hockey recommendation is that Diacritics shall be applied to all player pages, where appropriate as for the languages of the nationalities of the players in question. This is in fact a mandate that does not allow consideration of any other policy on naming. I think we need to resolve the issue of which naming convention we use for ice hockey players. Is it the one for the names of everyone else based on existing policy and guidelines, or do we have a blanket exception for one project? Please go to Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(use_English) per Vegaswikian (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Mass page move request
A mass nomination to move articles about sportsmen based on diacritics in their name has been filed at Talk:Dominik_Halmosi -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 03:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Turismo en Madrid
I notice that es:Turismo en Madrid seems to have no English equivalent. Would anybody be interested in making an English article on this subject? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Marco Augusto Dueñas
Hi there, i started this article but the English sources are really scant and often unreliable. Could someone with proficient knowledge in Spanish help me expand it? Thank you Eli  +  17:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

World Heritage list
Hola! Could somebody update the featured World Heritage list with this 2011 designation? bamse (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you think this site deserves to be on the external links section?
The site www.mijasguide.com has been removed from the external links section of Mijas. The site provides historical and practical information on the Mijas area.
 * I'm not an expert, but at first site, it looks like some kind of commerce page that should be avoided. Regulations for external links can be found at WP:EL.

L’Aplec del Caragol
Has anyone been to this? We could sure use a photo or two. Many thanks if you can help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Duchy of Vilahermosa/Vilafermosa
Can someone from this project please check out Duchy of Vilafermosa and Dukes of Villahermosa to see whether they refer to the same lineage. The latter article is hard to read but some of the listed people appear to be the same. Also, confusingly, the Catalan equivalent to the Villahermosa article is named ca:Ducat de VilaFermosa.  Claret Ash  05:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right - same subject. I have placed a merger templaye suggesting the stub should be merged into Dukes of Villahermosa ‎. which needs some work. BTW, Catalan spelling is different to Castilian. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking it out. I knew about the f ↔ h conversion between some of the languages but, under the circumstances, I wasn't sure if it was also the case here. Anyway, thank you.  Claret Ash  06:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)