Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Square Enix/archive/12

FF3 GAR
Final Fantasy III has been put up for a GA review here. The main concern is that the "Legacy" section is unreferenced. -- Pres N  21:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've handled most of it, but if anyone wants to give the article a going-over it'd be much appreciated. It's an older GA (2008) and some of the prose and styling is rough around the edges. -- Pres N  23:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorted, kept as GA. -- Pres N  18:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy alert
Message from WikiProject Video Games:I have noticed an unregistered user, 109.76.84.145, putting in bad info about Final Fantasy XIII and XIV, with silly release dates and deletion of info about platforms. I have found and corrected the edits, but they could come back for more. Keep an eye out for this user, especially in the Final Fantasy articles. They may not come back, but you can't be too careful here. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Pretty charts
I made us some pretty graphs of our article quality/importance ratings over time, now posted at WikiProject Square Enix/Index. Just thought I should let people know. -- Pres N  04:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Why Dragon Quest is not a Top-importance article?
Both DQ and FF are famous in the world. In Japan DQ is more important, and in Eroupe and American FF is famous than DQ. So why Final Fantasy is a Top-importance article, but Dragon Quest is just High?--2001:DA8:4001:9020:E559:83A1:88DC:D83D (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, it should be Top. Changed. -- Pres N  16:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Can we get a refreshed cleanup listing?
Hello WP:SE! I'm new to the project and looking for ways to pitch in. I don't see a to-do list, so I'll just be watching for article nomination alerts and using the quality/importance table to improve articles. Besides that, it would be nice to have a refreshed cleanup listing since this one seems outdated. Could someone be so kind as to update it? Thanks! Wateresque (talk) 20:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've investigated and it looks like there used to be a bot that posted these cleanup lists, but hasn't done so since March 2010. User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings has a link to where the lists are apparently still being created daily (since the page says "generated on 9 December 2012, 5:01:47 UTC"):
 * Cleanup listings for WikiProject Square Enix
 * Cleanup listings for WikiProject Square Enix (sorted by maint. category)
 * The cleanup listing subpage for our project had 3 sections: cleanups sorted by article quality (could be done with the 1st link), sorted by amount of maintenance tags (could also be done with the 1st link), and then sorted by maintenance category (the 2nd link is already this way). We may not have a bot to do this all the time to our subpage, but we should probably at least put these two links on the project page. Anyone agree? Wateresque (talk) 20:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and replaced the page with those two links- that bot isn't coming back, obviously, and it's a bit of a pain to convert the links into wikitables manually. Thanks for finding them! -- Pres N  22:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and thanks for fixing the template too. :) Also, it turns out you can sort on that toolserver page anyway by clicking the column titles. Wateresque (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy featured article of the day on December 18
Un-nominated but chosen anyway, Final Fantasy is the TFA for December 18. It last had a formal FA review in 2009, so it likely needs some brushing up on prose at least- article history shows it hasn't exactly been static for three years. -- Pres N  22:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Fabula Nova Crystallis article improvement
Continuing (in a way) the conversation on the WikiProject Video Games page here, and accepting the kind invitation from Pres  N, I would like to ask what else can be done to improve the article mentioned above. I have been doing extensive work on this article and those of the games included in this series (including recently creating a proper plot summery for Type-0, and which I would appreciate other opinions of), but i feel that the work, without any kind of, at least, WikiProject talk, is getting a bit too much for me. So, any help, or pointers, or even references that give me more about the worlds and general setting of the Fabula universe? Incidentally, I realize now that creating a whole new article about the FFXIII world would be rather impractical, as pointed out by Pres  N. Many thanks for his opinion, and his invitation. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Agni's Philosophy
A different topic. I am a little uneasy about the article called Agni's Philosophy. It seems to have been taken as read that the tech demo from this years E3 event has evolved into a full-flung game. But that's not what was said. What was said was that we would see something new about the engine. At least that's how I understand what I've read. Any comments on this article? --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. My understanding was that it was just a tech demo, and that article seems to have been based on the second source, which despite what the article says actually only mentions that Agni's is going to be shown on some new console that it hasn't been before- they imply that it's the PS4 or Xbox 720. There's nothing saying or implying that it's a full game, just that the engine is going to work on more platforms than previously shown. In any case, with exactly 0 details about the game if it exists, this is wayyy too early to create an article about it- we generally don't make an article until the game is announced, and even then usually wait for more details. Unless anyone objects, I'm going to kill it. -- Pres N  22:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

The name of Pulse
There is something I'm feeling a little uneasy about the naming of the deity Pulse. I've listened to the video (the one with French subtitles) and his name does not seem to be 'Myaku' when spoken, but something else. It sounded like 'Palesu' or 'Pulesu'. If the English-subtitled mythos video was still around (it seems to have been removed or deleted), or Square Enix gave some indication of how they spelt his name in their written language, and its romanji counterpart, it would feel a little easier in my mind. I feel it's important to get the Japanese name right as well as our own. Any help will be appreciated, if anything can be done. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Myaku is the Japanese word for "pulse" as in pulse of the heartbeat felt in the wrists. Someone made a literal translation, I think. Pulse transliterated to Japanese would be パルス (Parusu). &mdash; Blue. 13:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I've seen that you have corrected the use of the word in the Fabula Nova article. Oh, and it was me who put 'Myaku' in (after seeing Etro and Linzei had their Japanese counterparts), not remembering what the name sounded like in the video. That's the main reason I was uneasy and wanted another person looking at it. Again, thank you. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:08, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was wondering if you took myaku from the Final Fantasy Wiki, because there too is incorrect. &mdash; Blue. 13:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No. I took it from a site which shows how to say Japanese words, or rather what they look like in their Romanji version and their version in Kana (or rather it should, since today it seems to be all numbers and letters). This is it. As to the Final Fantasy Wiki page, I have corrected that. It is now the same as the Fabula Nova page here. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Fortress
This may well be an already-settled matter, but I need some clarification. The game Fortress, from the Ivalice Alliance: is it in development hell, cancelled, still going slowly but surely, or something else? There seem to be differing opinions across the internet, and the Wikipedia article seems a little confusing in terms of what it says about the game's current status. Can anyone enlighten me and give suggestions about improving the said article? --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's dead. As a doornail. The developer went out of business, and Square Enix picked it up, only to kill it again without doing much work on it. Non-reliably, the state it was in when they picked it up was such that they felt they needed to scrap it and start over, so thys just scrapped it and didn't start over. -- Pres N  20:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The game is canceled according to what sources have shown, if you find any rumors that it might still be in development, then maybe we can change that, but it doesn't seem that there is anything other than rumor that could support it being brought back. I dont see how confusing it is in the article. it seems clear as day to me.Lucia Black (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I guess it was just me looking for some hope for the game (very un-Wikipedian of me, I know). I enjoyed FFXII and its world. And I did find it confusing at the time. Now I look over it again, it does seem as clear as day. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII-2 references
I had a look at the references for the reception section of XIII-2 and someone has been messing around with the references. Someone has replaced the majority of the references with the 'ref name' heading, all from the Metacritic reference. I have fixed the one for IGN, but this is too much for me. It needs fixing! --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:58, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note; I have done some repair work now. I think it's fine now, but I need someone else to look it over and check it's alright. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Q4 2012/Q1 2013 Roll Call
Please sign your name if you are still with this project:
 * 1) Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) ProtoDrake (talk) 11:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Lucia Black (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 4)  Pres  N  20:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Axem Titanium (talk) 05:57, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

G-Zay - Somebody, please help!
We have a problem, I think. User:G-Zay is putting in too much detail into the info boxes for several Final Fantasy articles, like on the main Final Fantasy page where he has put in a huge ream of stuff about the game designers, deleting the creator section and the entire piece about the series composers. This is the edit in question. Also, before, in fact on the same day, he put in a vast section about the composers, designers, writers and art directors for the WHOLE SERIES. Here it is. Final Fantasy Versus XIII is another one, where he has put in a huge amount of info and even potential release dates when there is no info on that and no reference to back up the claim. Please, can someone help me with this? I don't know how to proceed. I have tried to make it more sensible, but I'm afraid of starting an edit war, which would only make things worse. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late responce and i see the level of intricacy is indeed high. Have you discussed this with G-Zay? If you revert it, im sure G-zay knows the Bold edit-revert-discuss principle. It is indeed too intricate and i believe they should be removed.Lucia Black (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I have discussed the main Final Fantasy page edits with G-Zay on that article's talk page and his reasoning sounds fair enough, just so long as he does not go mad. Here is his reply to my raising the issue on the Talk page. But Versus XIII is still a possible issue, and I would rather not take that up with him. I just thought others should know so that a peaceful discussion could begin on the article's talk page. Thanks. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Well it does seem over intricate for Versus such as having a table.Lucia Black (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII-2 GAN
It only took a year to finally do all of it in one go, but Final Fantasy XIII-2 is, at last, at GAN. Thanks to everyone who poked at it while it slowly took shape. The music article is also at GAN, by the way. Hopefully, one day we'll actually get out in front of the main series and get our Good Topic back- XIV seems to be getting away from us at the moment. Oh well. -- Pres N  06:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I can't see anything to celebrate. Especially your recent editing. The plot section needed to be fixed, the reception section looked biased and overly personal, and the development section for the DLC looked more like advertising to me. I have done a little work on it. Hope it's alright. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I quite disagree. You added in terms that you hadn't defined to the plot, padding it past its already pushing-the-limit length, made the dlc section "less advertising" by adding in more descriptions of DLC, removed an "old" image that was actually taken right when development began, and ripped the reception apart to focus on puff quotes by each "official" magazine rather than focusing on the overall reception to each part of the game, but also managed to duplicate bits by haphazardly merging some of the new reception with the old. I also don't really see what you thought was "biased and overly personal" about it. -- Pres N  17:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Didn't mean to rub you up the wrong way. I'll try to explain myself. First, I didn't think the plot section is large (compared to the one for Final Fantasy VII say) and I didn't extend it by much. As to the reception section, yes I may have been a bit hasty. "Biased" was a bit of an overreaction brought on by the shock rearranging, but "overly personal" was the use of reviewer's names. But I guess I overreacted about that too, and can get used to it. Also, I didn't know that image of Toriyama was taken when production began. It looked like a simple lift from the article for XIII. I can easily trim the DLC bit down, but the references I put in seem alright to me. As to the "advertising" piece, it was the wording you used: I prefer to use wording in the past-tense, rather than making it sound like all those promotional articles or ads you see on gaming sites, which state something either in the future or in the here and now. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience or affront. I just hope this will not impede future occasions where we work on the same article, and I will consider my action and your edits (along with many others of course) very carefully in future before taking any kind of action. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologize as well; I think I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I shouldn't have been so brusque. While I disagree with your changes to the reception section, I do understand the issue with the reviewers names- it's something they ask for at FAC, so I try to do it for everything now, but I remember it feeling odd the first time I did it so I totally understand that it could rub you the wrong way. I did agree with your wording changes to the DLC section, though; past tense is better there, and the additional DLC plot details are good. As for the plot, I think that it needs a few more goings over, but it needed that before your edits too, so no harm done. It's really hard to get these plots down to 4 paragraphs, which is the general standard for RPGs these days- though I notice that FF7 completely ignores that- especially with all the made up terms that have to be defined. -- Pres N  19:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Stub project
On a different note, after years of trying we're down to less than 5% of our articles as stubs- just 18 out of 377! , we've been slowly whittling it away, and now we only have a few biography articles to go. Thanks to everyone project-wide that's poked at those boring stubs over the years. If anyone finds any interviews about some of our less-covered subjects, or anything that can help us get to 100%, please post it on that article's talk page! -- Pres N  00:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It really is a great accomplishment, there were so many stubs, you should all be so proud! Next....all C rated!! Imagine that right? Let's get those last few stubs, most of those people have interviews, so there should be material out there. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, that didn't last long- with the newest additions (see this edit] we're back down to 93.8%. I don't know as all of these need their own articles, so it'd help if people could glance at them. -- Pres N  02:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, long time no see. I don't have much time to work on articles these days; however, I tried to search for interviews of Ryoma Ito (the first stub in the list), and sadly there isn't much, at least in English. Concerning the "new" articles, I think List of Dragon Quest characters at the very least could be deleted. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 12:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would be inclined to agree. From what I understand, not every Dragon Quest game is set in the same continuity and most of the early DQ games barely have any characters to begin with. I don't believe a series-level character page is useful. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Just something minor but i found a new stun, Lord of Arcana, i wont be editing as much as i want to, but its been released in the US so maybe it can be reworked to Start or even C-class.Lucia Black (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't think that one counts for us, actually, as SE only published, rather than developed, the game, and it's not a part of an SE-developed game series. -- Pres N  19:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ok, nevermind then. it wouldnt hurt to expand on it if anyone has the time.Lucia Black (talk) 20:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

And we're back, thanks to some quick work on some of the new articles. -- Pres N  15:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Proposal to ban Niemti from the Video Games WikiProject.‎
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

G-Zay disregarding consensus and running wild again
He has unredirected Takayoshi Nakazato, Miwa Shoda, Toshiyuki Itahana, Kazuhiko Aoki, and Jun Akiyama (video game designer). Of those, only Jun Akiyama is notable. I reverted Nakazato for now but we need to do something. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 20:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Send them to AFD and let the community sort it out. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've nominated all but Jun Akiyama for WP:AFD. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:42, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
I need some information on if any of these sources are considered reliable: Slide to Play, Touch Arcade, The Unofficial Apple Blog, and Neo Seeker. Thanks!Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:VG/RS says that Slide to Play is fine, Touch Arcade appears to be a professional site with paid editors, The Unofficial Apple Weblog is run by AOL so it's fine, and Neoseeker I think is fine but it's hard to say as they have user-generated content side by side with regular content, looks like VG/RS is iffy on them too and hasn't listed them either direction. Maybe ask there if you really need it for something. -- Pres N  01:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's a crucial list, gotta know where I can mine for information. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Ryoma_Ito
I nominated it for deletion due to an extensive search for his individual notability and found nothing to build even a stub with. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Other article opportunities abound!
Not a fan of digging up obscure Japanese sources to drag stub biographies up to start? (Thanks, Judgesurreal!) Take a gander at WikiProject Square Enix/Popular pages, newly updated with data as of January 31! Here we find that the most popular start-class article that's not a video game unreleased in English is Akira Toriyama, which got 44348 hits last month, making it our 17th most popular article. Not a fan of biographies? Take a look at the Star Ocean series, coming in at #58 with 17427 hits. Lists more your style? Take a peek at List of Final Fantasy IX characters or List of Square Enix downloadable games, our most popular non-featured character and non-character lists. Or just poke at Final Fantasy XIV, our most popular non-GA released video game, way up at the top of the list at #3 with 106318 people reading our C-class attempt. -- Pres N  02:01, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I pick FFXIV! I recently wrote Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (shamefully not included in January's list) and I want to go back and fix the original release too. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Character designer question
I encountered this when answering something put forward by Niemti on the FF talk page. Then when seeing the couple of examples he had there, I thought: should we be creating categories for the numerous creators of Final Fantasy characters or should we just put most of that info in the sections and articles concerning that character (unless there is one designer with a Wikipedia article who has designed multiple characters)? I personally think we should go with the latter view, but what do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProtoDrake (talk • contribs)
 * I would go with the second suggestion. I am also notifying WT:VG about this matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:43, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The articles need information about the designer. Another thing is that Yoshitaka Amano is also responsible for some designs Nomura adapted. In a sense Cloud Strife was designed by Nomura and Amano.Tintor2 (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the information should be in the articles, and that there is no need to have categories for characters by a designer- it's not a useful navigation aid, and as Tintor2 points out it's often hard to define a sole creator for a character. -- Pres N  17:24, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Should we send these categories to WP:CFD? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly sounds good to me. The one on Yasumi Matsuno seems a prime candidate, since that only has two characters in it and they are both from FFXII. The one on Momotu Toriyama has a little more substance, but again (for both) there is the issue that one character can have two or more designers in most cases. Not that I'm pointing fingers, but it seems a little like an extension to the general Niemti problem WP:VG has been hashing over (and which I have been involved in for better or worse). By the way, has the issue been brought to WP:AN yet?--ProtoDrake (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Not yet, but if possible, we should open up a discussion over at WT:VG before we take this to WP:AN, since it has affected articles not only pertaining to Square Enix characters, but also other video game characters. We don't want to cause way too much drama here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's already happened (at least there was a movement to get Niemti banned from WP:VG (now in the Archives) and the user who suggested it withdrew it pending something to do with WP:AN, but I have seen nothing yet. But you're right, the wider Niemti issues are not for this page. To get back to this issue, seems that those who, and maybe others that have been created, should be, as you suggested, brought to WP:CFD. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We're still waiting for someone to propose the ban discussion at AN. Can someone please take these categories for CFD? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, we don't have categories for composers, voice actors, erc etc. Nor do movies or TV shows have them. Lists can cover this info just fine. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 20:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

We need a barnstar
I just realized, I don't think we have one! Someone needs to make one if we don't, a bunch of you have earned it for your hard work, in a lot of different areas. We need at least one; we could even have one for Dragon Quest with the slime! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Huh, you're right, we don't have one. Slapped together an image at File:WikiProject Square Enix Barnstar.png, unless someone has a better idea that they spent more than 5 seconds on. -- Pres N  07:13, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Made a barnstar template, based on the WP:VG one: Template:SE Barnstar. Feel free to edit it if you don't like it. Give it out with text on award. ~ -- Pres N  18:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

No Stubs Left!
Thanks to some tireless work, for the first time in the 5.5 years we've been tracking article stats, the Square Enix project contains no stubs whatsoever! Every article we have, from the biggest game to the most obscure biography, is now at least a Start-class article (or a list).

Lets keep this momentum going! Now that the little green stub progress bar is full, I've added another one below it- all articles at least C-class! Unlike the stub project, this one's actually not so hard- while some of our articles might not be able to make it, we have tons of game articles that are only not Cs because no one's taken the time to boost them up. So come on! Fill out the reception section on Star Ocean! Rewrite the character section on Seiken Densetsu 3! Lets make WP:SE the envy of all the other WikiProjects- other projects have faltered, but we just keep getting better. -- Pres N  19:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Amazing work everybody! I just wanted to chime in about articles that are starts, that may end up not exceeding start class... I have some ideas about that, namely merger and new articles... perhaps a Japan-exclusive Square games article, or Early Square games article, we could fold a lot of the smaller Japan only titles into one GA. As for the bios, those could also be merged, to make a Composers of Final Fantasy article? Finally, I think we need to consider making all the character articles that are currently lists just regular articles. Just some thoughts did for the future! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as character lists go, I'm on board- a lot of our character pages are articles already. Final Fantasy 4-8, 10, 12, 13, and tactics are all articles (with 8 featured and 12 good), but 9 and Unlimited are lists, even though they're basically formatted the same way. Same goes with the other series- Front Mission and Parasite Eve are lists, but Kingdom Hearts and Xenogears are articles. Chrono Trigger and Cross are lists, but were articles during the Fall. The main difference in whether we call something a list or an article seems to be based on how long the section for each character is, and if there is a development or reception section.


 * I say we make all of our character articles as articles, not lists. Lists to me imply tables or bulleted lists, not tons and tons of text. -- Pres N  20:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * So it is ok to proceed with this article format standardization? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's do it! -- Pres N  17:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah congrats on improving all the stubs! I wish I had time to participate more like I used to :( Regarding a Composers of Final Fantasy article, I don't think it'd be seen with a very kind eye; notable people "deserve" articles on Wikipedia, you can't just merge them into lists/articles under a topic that only represent part of their career and work, IMO.
 * However it might be possible with game articles; for instance we have List of Enix home computer games which would basically be a FL if some of the games just hadn't been completely lost to history (I can't find any information on Titan Bōeisen apart from the fact that it existed). Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XII Topic
Where is the topic? It doesn't seem to be listed in either the featured or good articles, or the former topics list. Now that Fortress is GA, it can be renominated I think. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:09, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's here: Featured topics/Final Fantasy XII. It looks like Fortress was removed when it got merged temporarily. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, it seems that Fortress was added, and then removed, but there appears to be no log in the template of its removal. If someone wants nominate it for addition to the topic feel free. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Adventure + Sword of Mana
I have been scrounging for FFA and have very little, and GA requirements seem to be beyond its individual reach. I propose adding the start class article Sword of Mana to it, formatting it similarly to Final Fantasy III so we have one Good Article and not one C and one Start. Any objections? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The differences between FF3 and its 3D remake are just a handful. Sword of Mana has a whole new story added and new set of features, ones used in later mana games. Also its too early to merge, a C-class is usually just a B-class with falls while stub and start class are more related to the size of the article. So i suggest trying to make it B class first before suggesting merge. Gameplay info is missing and thats not going to change the article to GA even if the remake is merged.Lucia Black (talk) 05:36, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Very good, I'll see what I can find. The main difficulty I can see is the lack of development info and the lack of any reviews from the time of release. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:53, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Help with Images
Ive currently been editing Final Fantasy Dimensions and its coming along well now that i have the game to fill in plot details. The only thing i need help with is adding images (which i have no experience with whatsoever) for this article. Heres are some images i found that i think will be helpful in the article:


 * From the official site, a battle scene showing a character using a "Fusion Ability", one of the defining features of the game other than the Job System. Perfect for gameplay section:


 * An image of the central characters from the square enix market site. It shows both playable parties and a number of Jobs. The crystal in the middle could probably be edited out too if usable. Good for Character section, specifically to the Playable character section.


 * (optional) two separate images compiled into one, the first being a gameplay image of the original i-mode/EZweb version and the enhanced iOS/Android remake to show the difference between versions. Good for development section. the first one is from the official site: and the second from the square enix market site:

These are just a few that i think could help illustrate the game. If someone can help me with just one of these, that would be great.Lucia Black (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Uploading images isn't too hard of a process. Just to here and follow the instructions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard  Note that you should always use your discretion when uploading copyrighted material, such as screenshots of a game.  --Darkhunger (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I was only able to upload the gameplay image due to the other images needing to be modified before being uploaded and ive been editing solely on smartphone. But thank you, this made uploading for me much easier.Lucia Black (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

FF12 topic to be possibly delisted
The Final Fantasy XII topic has been put up for removal for not including Vaan and Balthier as GAs (and possibly Fortress, but that's now a GA.) -- Pres N  22:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Development Divisions
From what i understand the info in the Square Enix article, the development divisions have been established in 2003. So i dont understand the table having games prior to 2003 in said divisions. Also i think we should make a better table. Instead of listing every individual game in said series, we just mention the series (if the production team developed the entire series). Adding a column for status, such as "Ongoing" and "Defunct" and if its defunct mention under it "since 20XX" and say merged with "Division X". Let me know what you think.Lucia Black (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Versus...XV?
I know it's a weird title, but hear me out. There are all sorts of things going round at the moment that Final Fantasy Versus XIII has become Final Fantasy XV. I don't know what to believe anymore, but what is to be done concern the article for Versus XIII? I have already found an unregistered user using the message in the platform section of the info-box to put in speculation about the platform. I think we should semi-protect the article until something comes up, though I don't know if that's the right course. I'm just all of a do-da. Also, there is the question of where the rumor came from. It is form a place called VGLeaks. This is the original that's causing all the stir. I know this is, by its nature, a place for rumors, but it has been used once for a reference in this article. How reliable is the site? I ask this because over a dozen different, fairly reliable sites are copying the info and screaming it at people. This does not just cover the title and whether the game is part of the main line or not, but also to the platform. People are speculating that it's made the jump to PS4, and the article has been edited to that effect twice to my knowledge. And, of course, there is the usual thing about it being cancelled. The basic question is: what to do with this growing situation? --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Same thing we always do with unsourced rumors from unreliable sources: completely ignore them. There is not one bit of evidence that FFV13 is now FF15, nor is there any evidence that FF15 is going to be a PS4 exclusive, and without an RS it can't go in the article. -- Pres N  15:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's reassuring to hear that. I've been on edge about it for some time, I guess. But, to ground myself once again, what about that site VGLeaks? Should it be used as a place of reference or not? To imitate Gibbs somewhat, my gut says not. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would anyone think any site with the work 'leaks' in it could be an RS? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * It's better to wait for an official announcement to change the title.Tintor2 (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Random articles
Michael E. Rodgers, 8-Bit Theater, and List of 8-Bit Theater characters are all currently categorized under Final Fantasy. What should we do with them? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * None of them should be, in my opinion- a VA and a comic strip that vaguely followed the plot of one of the games? Not closely enough related for me. -- Pres N  16:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have seen the problem, and taken action. The third article mentioned does not seem to have the category now, but the other two did and I have corrected that. They did seem to have too distant a connection with Final Fantasy to be included in the said category.

RFC on Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
There's a request for comment going on at Talk:Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children regarding what we should do to streamline the plot summary. The discussion is at Talk:Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Issues with G-zay yet again
I think this time we should take sanction. G-zay has continuously added back excessive details on dvelopment info. Me and protodrake have reverted, but g-zay refuses to discuss. Can someone here help us?Lucia Black (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you cite some specific examples? Axem Titanium (talk) 20:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * sorry mobile phone here and cant provide links, so ill just say relating final fantasy versus XIII.Lucia Black (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Charts updated
The charts at the assessment page have been updated, and now show the lovely drop in stubs to 0 between February and now, as well as the general upshift in quality that has given us more GAs and Bs and less Starts. If your browser has the image cached, you can view the quality chart directly here.


 * That looks great. We sure cut alot of articles in the past few years.Lucia Black (talk) 12:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Mobile phone related articles
Hi, ive currently been editing mobile phone related articles, such as Final Fantasy Dimensions, Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII, and Crystal Defenders (barely). I was wondering if anyone here is more experienced with these games so that they could be copy-edit/expanded. My current goal at the moment is get them all to at least B-class.Lucia Black (talk) 12:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Characters of Final Fantasy XIII
I was looking at the said article and saw something. The characters shown there now feature in two, and in a few cases, three games. Lightning is the obvious example, but there's Snow, Hope, Noel and perhaps all the others. And then the article mentions Yeul from XIII-2, who did not appear except in a passing mention in XIII. Shouldn't the article be renamed as something like Characters of Final Fantasy XIII and sequels? You know, like Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series or Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2? I ask this because A: I don't know how, and B: I want some consultation with the right people and consensus before any decision is reached (whether positive or negative) or action taken. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I suggest possibly naming it to "Characters of the Lightning saga" as thats what the series is known as. Another option is make sections separated by games like in Final fantasy VII. Such "Introduced in XIII-2" and "Introduced in Lightning Returns". You can move an article by pressing the arrow key pointing down next to the star that lets you add articles to watchlist.Lucia Black (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have done the much-needed editing, and the move. Hope the new title is alright. It seems appropriate, even though it's a little of a mouthful. The only problem is the italic font, or rather lack of it, in the title. I've tried to rectify it, but to no avail. I don't really know how. Could someone help please? --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You had "Lightning Returns" wikilinked inside the DISPLAYTITLE template. --Mika1h (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah! Silly me. Thank you so much. It's my first time. I'll remember next time for another article (if there is a next time).--ProtoDrake (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

You add the display title template (look at other final fantasy character articles to find it) at the top of the page. You dont need parenthesis when moving an article. So that will probably be moved again....but....im against listing the entries in the title. X and X-2 is simple. For FF7 we couldve done "Characters of Final Fantasy VII and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" but its too much of a mouthful. The XIII series is referred to as the "Lightning Saga" and my vote is on using that. Everytime you want a move, you will need consensus.Lucia Black (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy is the name for the subseries but I think Characters of Final Fantasy XIII series is the best name for the article since we already have Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series. --Mika1h (talk) 21:41, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I...guess I was a bit of a twit then. Sorry if I caused so much disruption everyone. Are you...still willing to have me here? --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually Mika1h fabula nova crystallis is more of a project than a series (similar to ivalice alliance). Each entry is a new universe. So obviously Fabula Nova crystallis isnt an option unless we also included type-0 cast and Versus XIII (which would be wrong). Calling it the XIII series over Lightning saga would need sourcing. Protodrake, dont dwell on the mistakes. As long as you learn from them, we're good. Still, before any new move, isuggest we gain consensus.Lucia Black (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, here's my reference for calling it "Lightning Saga", here from Andriasang. Or rather, "Final Fantasy XIII Lightning Saga", but that's what the article says, not what the article should be called. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it more. Ive seen several lightning returns interiews stating it simply as Lightning saga. Ill do bit of research. But i just passed 5g of data on my phone, so itll be very slow.Lucia Black (talk) 22:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * on another, the source you provided still uses the image of the teaser site that says "the lightning saga that started with Final fantasy XIII" so indirectly confirms it is simply known as Lightning saga.Lucia Black (talk) 01:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I support "Characters of the Final Fantasy XIII series". It seems like the title that requires the fewest logical leaps and is still obvious to a random reader who is not familiar with the backstory. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:14, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * thats what redirects are for. The technical name is lightning saga, not XIII series. Plus if versus XIII ever comes out, it may cause confusion as to why its not included.Lucia Black (talk) 03:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * However we support it, I vote for Lightning Saga. --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hooray! We seem to be gaining consensus on a title on the article's talk page.--ProtoDrake (talk) 07:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

|Final Fantasy XI Featured Article of the Day
I have nominated it for consideration for the day of May the 16th, please comment on its nomination. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Protected as a forthcoming TFA. Make sure to watch out for disruptive editors on the 16th. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:49, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC on Characters of Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns
I have started a proposal for moving the Talk Page, as per our conversations. This needs consensus before any action is taken, so I have made an RfC so as to bring in the maximum opinions. Whether you have shown your views clear in the discussion on this page, your comments are needed and appreciated. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Issue resolved. My thanks to those who left their comments.--ProtoDrake (talk) 07:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Possible G-Zay ban and article blanking
As per Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, G-Zay is being accused of deliberately falsifying sources for a various number of on- and off-wiki reasons, resulting in BLP violations. As a result, several pages that he has worked on have been temporarily blanked, including Hiroyuki Ito, Yoshinori Kitase, Motomu Toriyama, and the "creation" section of Final Fantasy VI, while Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and Chrono Trigger are pending further details of what he has changed. These are, of course, all WP:SE articles, so I thought you all should know- I've restored an old (Feb 2011) version of the FF6 section, and it didn't lose too much, but the three biographies had to be basically cut down to one or two paragraphs to remove the content he added. Regardless of whether or not G-Zay is banned, someone's going to need to go through the (now removed) information in those three articles to see what is validly sourced and what isn't. I'd recommend waiting until after the AN thread is closed, but it's a lot of content in the articles that needs to be validated, and G-Zay is well-known for putting undue weight on the things he cares about. -- Pres N  17:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that WT:VG should be notified of this as well. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, G-Zay has been banned; he actually requested it himself as well, though the tide was overwhelming in any case. Cleanup items that need to be done:
 * FF6 has had it's creation section scoured, but all of G-Zay's other edits to the page need to be looked at, as there's now bits in the lead that don't match the text, and he added things to the reception section that may or may not be true.
 * Hiroyuki Ito, Yoshinori Kitase, and Motomu Toriyama were slashed down to the intro sections; they'll need the last pre-cut revision looked over to make sure he didn't make up sources for anything- he probably did, but I doubt he made up all of them.
 * Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Chrono Trigger need to be looked at for the same kind of issues that FF6 had; namely, adding development bits that aren't supported by RSs. -- Pres N  18:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Shouldnt there be a full copyright investigation being performed? Where is that? All of his stuff needs to be looked at right? Every edit... Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Note that a discussion has been opened at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games to decide how to handle this- Judge is right, we have to go through all of his contributions in some manner. -- Pres N  19:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I've opened up a discussion about source problems in G-Zay's edits at User talk:G-Zay/Source problems. Please post evidence there. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Beware of User:199.60.189.9
I have encountered this user twice today. He/she has put in review scores and opinions from a Final Fantasy fan site, countering Wikipedia policy about not using fan sites as references. Here's his/her edit history I've rectified his/her edits so far, but everyone watch out for him/her. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy; getting it up to B-Class, help and advice needed
The suggestions and comments should be on the article's talk page, just here. The article has plenty of relevant info there, but I need help on how I might be able to get it up to B-Class on the quality scale. It is an article on a group of high-profile games after all. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it's taken nearly a month, but it's happened. And it's well on the way to becoming something that can be elected as a GA. Certainly not yet, but when more info is available and the gaps have been filled, then maybe..just maybe... --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good job on the article! It's looking really good. -- Pres N  23:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Fortune Street? Rocket Slime?
Ok friends, need some intelligent analysis. The Itadaki Street game series was twice localized into "Fortune Street", and the Slime games have three titles and its one localization was called "Rocket Slime". But, I have no confirmation that this is their official English series title. But, it is logical. So, should the articles be titled "Fortune Street" and "Rocket Slime (series)" or stay where they are? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

At first, i was skeptical of naming it fortune street because at the time the only localized name was from a nintendo crossover, but now it seems thats not an issue as the latest has also that name and doesnt involve mario, dragon quest or final fantasy. So my vote is for "Fortune Street".Lucia Black (talk) 22:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok I changed it to Fortune Street. As to the Slime games, until (I hope!) the third game is brought here, we won't know for sure what the localized name is other than "slime", though it could be Rocket Slime, since it seems to have him as the protagonist in all three games...Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Who wants to be a king?
Anyone feeling like taking up the honor of reviewing "My Life as a King"? It is a good article, or will be with your fair-minded scrutiny! Come see and review our former 2008 GA nominee, now much better and ready to pass, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll do it, I've never edited the article or played the game. -- Pres N  18:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Bravely Default: Flying Fairy
The game is going to be released in Europe this year and the US next year, and I think this should be decided upon at some point. Even if no resolution is reached now, it will be something to remember and something to come up again when the game releases in the west. Is Bravely Default (or whatever it ends up being called in the west) a full-blown spin-off of the Final Fantasy series or can it be described as something that stands on its own? It has been described in its article as a spiritual successor to Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light, it has similar themes and gameplay features (a job system featuring classes such as Black Mage, Monk, Paladin and Dark Knight, summoned monsters, a life-giving and elemental crystals), so I would say it needs to be added to the Final Fantasy template and need info with references added to the article. At the moment, it seems to have several gaps, even for a game yet to be released in the west. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * On the flip side, just using game mechanics from an FF game doesn't make it an FF game itself, and perhaps most telling, it's not like Square Enix is shy about throwing the "Final Fantasy" label around for nothing more than marketing purposes, so for them not to use it here pretty heavily implies that it's not a Final Fantasy game. I'd say keep it as a standalone until we get more information. -- Pres N  15:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It's like saying Final Fantasy Dissidia is related to Kingdom Hearts because Nomura initially intended to make it for such. The game may havekey features to FF but ultimately the relation between FF is mainly the name or holds some signature FF element, such as specific FF characters and such.Lucia Black (talk) 07:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

"Final Fantasy IV 3D Remake" name proposal
I proposed renaming the article "Final Fantasy IV (Nintendo DS)" to "Final Fantasy IV (3D remake)". You can join the discussion at Talk: Final Fantasy IV (Nintendo DS).Lucia Black (talk) 07:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Tactics S
New ff social game for fftactics series. Just heads up in case anyone wants to create the article.Lucia Black (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's give it to the tactics series article for now, till we have more details. The series article gets no love! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 10:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's pretty difficult covering that article as very few sources out there cover FFT as a series. But I'll see what I can do to expand it.Lucia Black (talk) 17:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Adventure
So Lucia and I have been working on this article, and I think it's becoming a good B class article. The problem is the same as it was when it was delisted from GA status in 2008; no reviews from Japan or the US from the time of release, and it would be good to have several; GamePro, Nintendo Power, Famitsu, etc. That is this articles Achilles heel, and I wanted to post this here in case anyone has access to 1991-1993 issues of these magazines or has the information we need. Thanks! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're in luck: WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Nintendo Power. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! So what's the procedure, I ask them to add it? Or they send me a link? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I posted talk page requests, thanks for telling me about this resource! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge Final Fantasy Tactics (series) into Ivalice
Hello, I think the former article should be merged into the latter. The concept of FFT as a series doesn't seem to have much reality. No official source ever refers to FFT as a series, and this is apparent in the article as all the references are references to the individual games instead of a series. There is no sources for reception of the series as a whole for instance. I believe the closest concept we have to a series grouping these games is the Ivalice Alliance, an official series which doesn't have an article but is part of the Ivalice fictional universe article. The FFT series article should be merged into it IMO. (If it becomes too long, then maybe creating an Ivalice Alliance article would be appropriate). Thoughts? Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is a good idea, but let me see what there is on the "series" first, I haven't looked for anything yet, and I'll report back. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There was a discussion about this a while back on this. I forgot who, but an editor from this wikiproject showed square enix actually referring to it as a series. But I can't find it. It was a square enix page saying "FINAL FANTASY TACTICS series".Lucia Black (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support: I've seen the article too, and it seems a little sparse, as well as Lucia's point about Tactics not being called a series in official game publications. So, I think Tactics should be merged with its 'parent' article Ivalice. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The thing is, merging a series and a fictional location article would be very unwieldy. How about we recreate the Ivalice Alliance article? I would only merge the articles if the Ivalice article is perceived as weak and should be a subsection of a series article. That way, it would be Ivalice Alliance, and an Ivalice subsection. Or, have Ivalice and Ivalice Alliance, since the latter was a thing talked about by many sources.Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Ivalice alliance seems too small. For one, its not a seriest but a campaigne to promote Ivalice. Also the games are between two distinct series. I don't know if there's a confirmed "Ivalice" series but I doubt it.Lucia Black (talk) 01:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, I see why these articles keep getting created and suppressed... They are kinda blurry and edge cases...you would think after so many games it would be notable by now, Tactics series I mean. I'll keep looking. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been doing some more poking around. It seems to me that there is more on the land of Ivalice than the series set in its world. the Final Fantasy Wiki seems to do a reasonable job of summering, but that's a very different place in terms of referencing needs and such, and the Alliance article is just a series of the games set within that world, which seems to be what the Alliance series is. Either rename the Ivalice article or keep in the way it is, but merge the Tactics series article with it. If you want an Ivalice Alliance article persay, I've got the nasty feeling that it would be like the early Fabula Nova Crystallis article or an article on a game that's years away from release, only worse. It would be no better than a list full of redirects to other, more meaty articles. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, the "Alliance" series, isn't exactly a series. It was a campaigne to promote/revive the world of Ivalice. It involved FFT:WotL, FFT Advance, FFT A2: GotR, FFXII:RW, and PSN re-release of Vagrant Story.Lucia Black (talk) 09:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I originally was against a Final Fantasy Tactics series article. However, it seems very similar to Mana series. Originally Final Fantasy Adventure was released was made as a simple FF gaiden, but when Secret of Mana came out, it turned into a new series. In this case, Ivalice Alliance can be covered in Final Fantasy Tactics (series) article to show how the Tactics game became a series. Basically all Ivalice Alliance info is what could help make this article its own because its part of development/creation and concept info. On everything else, can be covered quite easily because we just add info from other articles, summarize reception from the other games (possibly cover reception that compares the series with the original).Lucia Black (talk) 05:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support merge. I think the Tactics series is entirely subsumed under Ivalice. There's stuff that should be trimmed from both articles to make it not-unwieldy. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok well I haven't found anything other than people saying it is a series, but that doesn't make it notable as a topic, so I say merge. I am concerned though that Ivalice will be a Frankenstein article...will it be a series or a fictional location article? And which article will be the tactics articles parent if there is ever a featured topic? And finally, where do we put the stub information for the upcoming social game, Final Fantasy Tactics S? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to voice the same concerns as Judgesurreal.... While I'm not sure there should be a series article per other concerns, I would definitely agree that it could become Frankenstein. --Izno (talk) 03:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, the Ivalice games constitute a series, except that this series has no name. So the Ivalice article would be just like a normal series article except that it would make it clear that "Ivalice" is the name of the fictional world rather than the name of a series (by the way, the current Ivalice article seems a bit crufty and too FFXII-oriented IMO). There can't be an FFT featured topic since we have seen that the "FFT series" isn't a notable topic. As for Final Fantasy Tactics S, I think it's as notable as Friends of Mana or Circle of Mana. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I'm game, Jonathan could you execute the merge? You seem to have the best sense of what it will look like. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll do it ASAP. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 13:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Getting Characters of the Lightning Saga to the same quality as Characters of Final Fantasy XII
I have been doing a comparison between the two articles, and the one for the Lightning Saga (XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns) is severely lacking. I know that one of the games has yet to be released, but the other two are out there, together with their Ultimanias, and they have been used before, along with interviews and multiple quotes from the game. I'm not sure I can do it all myself, but if someone like Lucia Black, Judgesurreal777, Lord Sjones23 or PresN, or hopefully all of you, could help me assess it and see what needs to be done, it would be great. Hopefully we can find a body of good references between us and work together to get that thing up to GA-class. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You're first and biggest is adding to the story of who created the characters in general terms, and then adding some specifics to the individual character entries? That would get it to B I think, since there seems to be a good sized reference section. Also, I would look for a development sketch, showing the cast in their early designs, that always seems encyclopedic to me. That would get you most of the way there I think! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 11:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done some work, but it's really difficult. I don't have any of the Ultimanias (since they're at ridiculous prices right now and in a language I can't read) or any print media. If only they would publish the blessed things in English. I've done some work on the general look of the thing, on Snow's section, and fixed a few spelling mistakes and reference blunders of my own. I thought I had a reference for a little story involving Hope's design, but the Wiki refused to display it properly and when I tried the URL, it just said "Error 404: Not found". This is the link, if you can find it. If you can't, the article's name is "TGS 09: Final Fantasy XIII Update" on IGN. It also has a few titbits on a couple of other characters. I don't know how to get it working. Bur please, I'm behind in my realm-life stuff right now and I can't devote the attention I want to this, quite apart from my limited resources. This is not a one-person job. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The URL is loading for me (it redirects to here), do you need me to email the text of the article to you? -- Pres N  16:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's working again. No need to send an email. That was strange. It was almost like putting it inside the citation turned it into a dead link. PS: I've done the work and put in the info. It's looking better already, but there's still a way to go. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, you need a bunch more creation info to get to GA or FA, but I upped it to a B since I think it is approaching GA quality. Great work so far! Keep going and then nominate it! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done a bunch more work, and it's looking great. I've done some poking around, and found some quaint little stories about the characters' development (properly referenced of course), and added a couple of characters that are relevant in the games (Rydgea and Chocolina, with accompanying references). Never realized it could be so easy, so hard, and so fun at the same time. Still a little way to go, but it's much, much better. (Update 13.00 GMT: I have found many more references from the web and from the games' main articles. The creation and influence section is a little more metier now, and there's no repetition from other articles to the casual reader, unlike that small thing from Lightning's article that was there before. Hope it's looking better?) --ProtoDrake (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who commented and helped, and encouraged. After more work and a few more references, I have nominated it as a GA. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Q2 2013 Roll Call

 * 1) Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Lucia Black (talk) 04:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 3)  Pres  N  05:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) ProtoDrake (talk) 07:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 10:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Adios
Just so everyone knows, I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well. I will only be back to work on certain articles. Till then, adios. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Enjoy the break User:Sjones23! May your aeries receive you at the journeys end! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)