Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Square Enix/archive/2

Expanding Romancing SaGa or creating Minstrel Song
I had been playing Romancing SaGa on the PS2 for a while now, and I am really enjoying it. Not much is written for the Romancing SaGa article, though (besides the listing of characters on its own article). So I am thinking of helping to expand Romancing SaGa article, but as the PS2 remake may not be the same as the original SNES game (never played it so I don't know what features it had) I do not think it would be proper to write about what is in Minstrel Song when the existing article is mainly about the SNES version. So that is what I am wondering, if it would be better to create "Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song" in its own article.

Answers or other thoughts on this would be nice. I am really looking forward to helping out! - Tydrian 16:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't create it. Write about it in the Romancing SaGa article, and if it becomes too long, move it to a distinct PS2 remake article. It would be useless to create an article if it's short enough to be on one article. Kariteh 16:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I shall take your advice on that, hoping that what what I soon add to the article will be common on both versions of the game, and not PS2-exclusive. - Tydrian 17:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

We should start an essential article thing
Here's my take: Feel free to add to the list. Also, fix my spellings.  Sir Crazyswordsman  04:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Top-importance:
 * Square-Enix and all company-related articles
 * Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest
 * Final Fantasy (video game) and Final Fantasy VII
 * Chrono Trigger
 * Kingdom Hearts
 * High-Importance
 * All other Final Fantasy titles (I'm on the bubble about where Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy X should go), Chrono Cross, Kingdom Hearts 2, Xenogears, and whichever Dragon Quest games are the most popular
 * All of our good character artlces
 * All lists and articles created out of merges
 * Mid-Importance
 * All Final Fantasy VII characters and Rikku
 * All articles on main characters
 * Nobuo Uematsu, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Tetsuya Nomura, and Yoshitaka Amano
 * Low-Importance
 * All other character articles
 * Masato Kato and Yasunori Mitsuda

I think importance is a little high on a lot of these articles, and too little emphasis is placed on things that exist in the real world (and some major Enix people and things are missed)
 * Top - Company articles, FF/DQ series, FFVII - The sorts of things you might see in an encyclopedia.
 * High - All numbered Final Fantasy games, DQ8, Kingdom Hearts, Chrono Trigger, important people (Yuuji Hori, Ya-something Matsuda, and the people CSW listed) - The bread and butter games and the people who made them.
 * Mid - FF and DQ spinoff games released in English, the bulk of Chronicle of FF7, the rest of the DW/DQ games, Xenogears, a Grandia series article (do we have one?) sequels to KH and CT, Akira Toryama, notable collaborators with Square-Enix (Brownie Brown, Quest, and Tri-Ace come to mind) - The core games, the rest of the notable people, and the companies S-E have published for.
 * Low - Any other games, fictional people/places/things from games that are at least High importance, music composers, soundtrack albums from games that are at least High importance - Pretty much everything else, as long as it's something that has some real-world impact on the English-speaking part of the world.
 * No - Unreleased games, fictional people/places/things from other games, other soundtrack albums - Everything left.

Is this project going to fiddle with FMA stuff? How about the Final Fantasy movies?

Be careful not to dump an article up in importance just because it's a quality article. Importance is entirely related to the subject and completely unrelated to the quality of the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with AMiB's assesment. I think we should coer the FF movies (mid for Spirits Within, low for all else).  I guess technically we cover FMA, but I think that WP:ANIME has that one covered pretty well, so I'd give it a low for us. --PresN 13:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not CSW! You're the second person to make that bad mistake.  Sir Crazyswordsman  16:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * CrazySWordsman. It wasn't a mistake. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. One user called me "Crazyswordswoman" once.  That was just plain insulting.  Sir Crazyswordsman  04:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a bit off topic, but how can a user confuse you with one that doesn't exist?-- TBC Φ  talk?  19:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Rootology did it once and he said he misread my name.  Sir Crazyswordsman  21:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If all Final Fantasy numbered titles have high priority, then all numbered Dragon Quest titles should have high priority, as well. --Rika95 18:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Mitsuda should be Mid importance, because everyone knows that the soundtracks of Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears are much better than the final fantasies :) &mdash; Deckill e r 01:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Also, having the original and FF7 is sorta biased (top should be series articles and company articles, that sort of thing); all the actual game articles need to be high importance (if they have sold more than half a million copies). &mdash; Deckill e r 01:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Believe me. I'm NO FFVII fan.  I just put it there because I accept that it's far and wide the most popular (and I know that FFVI is the second most popular, followed very closely by X).  I put FFI there because there'd be no Square todayh if it weren't for FFI.   Sir Crazyswordsman  06:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But shouldn't DQI be there as well, as without it there'd be neither Enix nor Square today? Also, what about composers like Koichi Sugiyama who (even though owns his own company) did most of SE music, and had a huge influence over Nobuo Uematsu (and many video game composers afterward)?Anonymous User 06:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Silent deletion
Except for one word on the main WP:SE page, nothing's been said about it outside of edit summaries, so I'm casting out for everyone who hasn't noticed opinion: should the Dragon Quest sub-project be removed/deleted? It seems to have died, and never did much of anything while it was around. If anyone is still interested in this project and have not noticed that it's being dismantled, now is your chance to say something. Otherwise, I think we're all fine with just letting it go. --PresN 01:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts development
Hello, myself and some other editors have been working on getting the Kingdom Hearts article to Featured Article status. Unfortunately, we've hit a bit of a road block with the "Development" section. Does anybody with this project know of any resources to help us find information regarding the development of the game? Any help would be greatly appreciated. (Guyinblack25 16:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC))

Soul Blazer series article
Gaia series. The article itself acknowledges it: this series does not exist officially. Consequently, the article is just a collection of original research, assumptions, and personal extrapolation (this is the first time I ever see Grandstream Saga considered part of this series). If no reliable sources can be found to establish the notability and veracity of this article, it will inevitably be nominated for deletion. Kariteh 08:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Granstream Saga can be considered a spirtual sucessor, then? I will admit I assumed things for that, but I have seen it included before. Besides, it DOES share many similarities.

Also, the template was there before I created the page. Why was template never an issue? I figured making a page for it would be fine.

Ah well. I'll fix it up later I gues.. --Kawnhr 17:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Granstream Saga, and everything else in the article really, can only be considered whatever if it is supported by an external source. It's a given that we won't find an official source apparently, so we need some established, reliable video gaming site or something. As for the template, it was never an issue because this project is half-dead anyway. Kariteh 08:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been ten days. I've nominated the article for deletion. Articles for deletion/Gaia series - Kariteh 07:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I second that deletion, I made my case on the main Wiki videogame project discussion page, WikiProject_Video_games and futher add that all of the Quintet games need edited to remove or change the mention (similar to the main Quintet article) that it is a fan-devised and originated device and is nowhere supported by fact or officially by developer Quintet in any outlet in print or elsewhere.

I would be happy to make those changes, if you can point me to a primer on how to use the functions on here properly. Thanks. BLang30 13:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Since it's unofficial, I moved the sentences about the "series" from the introduction to a Reception section further down in the article. It's not that "Hardcore Gaming 101" is lying or saying something wrong, it's just that they're stating their opinion, which they do aknowledge to be unofficial. Don't worry about editing the articles though, just click on Edit and make your changes, it's not that difficult and there will be people to help you fix stuff if you accidentally "mess" something. Kariteh 09:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts
I just want to let you guys know here that I've self nominated Kingdom Hearts for Featured Article at Featured article candidates/Kingdom Hearts. Any comments there should be much appreciated. There is no turning back. Good luck to everyone who contributed, subtly or significantly. Greg Jones II 23:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Neill Corlett
An article that you have been involved in editing, Neill Corlett, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Neill Corlett. Thank you. Kariteh 18:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Daishiro Okada
An article that you have been involved in editing, Daishiro Okada, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Daishiro Okada. Thank you. -- Kariteh 14:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Parasite Eve 4
Please discuss and vote at Articles for deletion/Parasite Eve 4. Thanks. Kariteh 09:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Duo Princess
An article that you have been involved in editing, Duo Princess, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Duo Princess. Thank you. Kariteh 21:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Taito
Are Taito-related articles included in the project? Personally, I think they shouldn't. Whether the company is owned by Square Enix or not, the topic is just too large and distinct to be here; it could be an entire separate (sub-)project. Kariteh 08:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably smart move. Judgesurreal777 22:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Maleficent
I think this shouldn't be counted as a Square Enix article...Thoughts? Judgesurreal777 01:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Amen. Axem Titanium 01:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it should. There's a very large KH section in the article; it's the WP:SE's role to deal with this section. Kariteh 13:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Warrior III
I respectfully request that this WikiProject work on Dragon Warrior III to the point where it can be raised to GA-Class. I do not expect this to happen overnight, I just want people to realize how great this game is by giving it an article worthy of it. --MKnight9989 12:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If anyone wants to work on any of the Dragon Quest articles, I'd be glad to help out! Especially III, one of my favorites.  Evaunit  666 02:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

FMA

 * What do we do with Fullmetal Alchemist articles? The manga and three of the games were published by Square Enix (not the anime), so the four relevant articles are within this project's scope, but what about the other articles? I'm thinking about these ones particularly, since they have been tagged with the SEproj templates:
 * Amestris (Fullmetal Alchemist)
 * Automail
 * Chimera (Fullmetal Alchemist)
 * Edward Elric
 * Equivalent Exchange
 * Gate of Alchemy
 * Ishbal
 * Lab 5
 * Lior (Fullmetal Alchemist)
 * Philosopher's Stone (Fullmetal Alchemist)
 * Transmutation circle
 * In my opinion, they should probably not be included in the project. FMA is a large topic (like Taito) and it's only partly Square Enix-related. The WikiProject Anime and manga is probably more concerned about it than us here. Kariteh 10:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think we need to be pretty strict with what is within FF and SE wikiprojects scope to keep from having to fix up every article on wikipedia :) Judgesurreal777 12:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, they should probably not be included in the project. FMA is a large topic (like Taito) and it's only partly Square Enix-related. The WikiProject Anime and manga is probably more concerned about it than us here. Kariteh 10:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think we need to be pretty strict with what is within FF and SE wikiprojects scope to keep from having to fix up every article on wikipedia :) Judgesurreal777 12:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject logo
I noticed that Image:Wikiproject Square Enix.png was tagged, so I did so. What does everyone think? Anomie 18:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No offense, but it's kind of pointless. Kariteh 18:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * SVG format definitely has some benefits which I don't quite think are "pointless". Axem Titanium 19:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What benefits? It's not like the logo is ever used at more than 90px of width. Kariteh 20:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Spira at Good Article Review
Spira has just been listed at WP:GAR. Comments, fixes, suggestions, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera are welcome at Good article review. Greg Jones II 00:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

 * 28 Aug - expires 2 Sep
 * Masayoshi Soken ( PROD by User:B. Wolterding; "...a sound designer at Square-Enix." ) --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 17:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)