Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Squatting/Archive 1

The Invisible Circus and the positive aspects of squatting
Here's a really stellar topic for the positive aspects of squatting. Artspace Lifespace, a Bristol-based arts group, have for some years squatted buildings in Bristol, with permission from their intended developers, including the Pro-Cathedral and The Island, a police and fire station. This has grown into hosting a spectacular community of circus and theatre performers, The Invisible Circus. It has got to the point where their current home is a big top provided by the Council as promotion for a redevelopment near Temple Meads.

These guys are as good as it gets, both as performers, and for doing something positive with empty buildings. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * yeah nice, they are indeed cool - i'll add to notable squats on Squatting - if you have any others please add them there too Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * They've just started The Loco Klub in the cellars beneath Temple Meads Andy Dingley (talk) 17:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

LASPO
FYI - I've created an article for the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   00:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Article about notable squat in London
Clifton Mansions in Brixton (until 2011). Probably worth a mention somewhere. —  Scott  •  talk  12:07, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * merci! maybe i add it to Squatting in England and Wales - or of course you would be welcome to do so yourself Mujinga (talk) 17:04, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Squatting at Wikimania 2014
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Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Let's merge slum and shantytown
See my rationale at Talk:Slum. As nearly two weeks have gone without anyone comment, I'd appreciate if members of this project (for which those articles are in scope) would take a look at this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Is this project inactive?
It seems to me this project is inactive (no discussions here for 6+ months that generated any replies). I have marked this project as inactive on its main page; if you disagree, please revert me and tell me here what is this project doing, outside serving as a noticeboard that generates no replies). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * yeah seems to be inactive, if anyone else is around, drop me a line!Mujinga (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
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2019
Any interest in getting this wikiproject going again? Mujinga (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * so things are chugging along, i'm trying to make an overall plan of what needs doing here Mujinga (talk) 09:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infoshops
Template:Infoshops has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mujinga (talk) 22:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
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Proposed deletion of WNC (Squat)


The article WNC (Squat) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Is different from the source Wiki and Murder of Marco does not rely on verifiable sources"

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Proposed deletion
I favor a true translation of the source article into English and a separate Wiki about the death and alleged murder of Marco. The fact that Marco was related to WNC, be it because he lived there or his ex-girlfriend was one of the spokespeople of this squat, has nothing to do with WNS as a squat per se, neither with his death.Haxx1234 (talk) 17:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to other interested parties: we are discussing this over at Talk:WNC_(Squat) Mujinga (talk) 08:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

See also sections
There's a discussion over at Talk:ABC_No_Rio which might have further implications on how See also sections are used on squatting articles more generally. The see also section at ABC No Rio had got a bit out of control for sure but I'm personally not in favour of getting rid of the section entirely. Mujinga (talk) 13:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * no resolution on this one Mujinga (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Using indymedia as a source
Since there have been various deletions of indymedia references lately and there seems to be a current saying it is never a useful source, I opened a discussion at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. In my opinion, indymedia is a valuable resource for social movement history but needs to be used with discretion. Mujinga (talk) 11:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Result - Indymedia is seen as generally unreliable, which I don't disagree with, but there is the important exemption of WP:SELFSOURCE. I think as time goes by and websites for individual projects and events are lost, indymedia sites will still have a use for the encyclopedia Mujinga (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion
Hi WP Squatting, I was wondering if anyone would like to offer an opinion on a discussion taking place at Talk:Autonomous_social_center. Thanks for any comments! Mujinga (talk) 14:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to US Housing Edit-a-thon
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Rog (factory)
I added a mention to the recent events to rog (factory). I think the article will probably soon need some updates. I was somehow involved with this place and know people who contributed in a more substantial way to it, I'm not sure if this is enough for a WP:COI and tried to keep my contribution dry, but would rather play it safe and avioid further direct edits. I mostly want to bring attention on the fact that the article may soon need some updates and offer my help to other editors who have troubles with sources in slovenian language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Personuser (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Personuser thanks for the note. Overall the page isn't in great condition and needs updating, I was keeping half an eye on it after the recent eviction. Presumably there'll be a lot more coverage of it in the coming days and we can get the page looking better. Shall we move discussion to the talkpage if needs be? You are welcome to ping me if you want help with editing the page. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 10:38, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Categories for discussion - "Squatting in X" categories
There's various discussions concerning "Squatting in X" categories at Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 17, the first one being Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_17 where I put a rationale for keeping them. Mujinga (talk) 14:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
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Ayanda Ngila nominated for deletion
As a courtesy notice, a discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ayanda Ngila, leader of Abahlali baseMjondolo, is suitable for inclusion as a dedicated Wikipedia article. The biography itself wasn't tagged with this project until today and the discussion is nearing its end, hence the courtesy notice: Articles for deletion/Ayanda Ngila (2nd nomination). czar 18:56, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

2023
Any ideas for how to move forward with WP:SQUAT in 2023? Mujinga (talk) 17:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll set out a few ideas here:
 * Create more "Squatting in X" pages where X is a country. This project is chugging along quite well, using the worktable I'll put below, input welcomed.
 * Actually I put it to WikiProject_Squatting on account of its size. Mujinga (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now at WikiProject Squatting/Draft/Squatting in X Mujinga (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Create more good articles from "Squatting in X" pages. Maybe a featured article?
 * Split Squatting in England and Wales into two pages, since at the moment it's quite large and a blend of history and legal - basically the section entitled "Legality" could be it's own page. I've been pondering that for a long time.
 * Overhaul the "mainpage" for the wikiproject which is of course Squatting - this is a very longterm project which for me follows on from completing the Squatting in X pages, in the sense of it defining squatting then serving as a signpost to the other articles. How to see the Squatting page? What is squatting - an activity, a need, a resource? Should the model for the Squatting page be like (for example) Housing or Anarchism or Time?
 * Work on the categories.
 * Pull Abahlali baseMjondolo into shape. Mujinga (talk) 14:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Use the cleanup bot to find a task Mujinga (talk) 11:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Work on template documentation at for example Template:Squatting in Scotland and Template:SquatE&W
 * ✅ with help from Grimes2 Mujinga (talk) 11:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Any other ideas? Mujinga (talk) 13:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe having an article that 'centers' around comparative overview of squatting cultures? (for example there is a huge difference in post-socialist and Mediterranean countries vs. old-west-north) --Zblace (talk) 13:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is great idea worth exploring, Zblace. Crisantom (talk) 06:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I like it too although I prefer to see the similarities linking squatting worldwide than the differences. There's a few overview articles that could be written I think, for example Squatting in film and Squatting in Culture Mujinga (talk) 12:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I put a work-in-progress draft of the latter at WikiProject Squatting/Draft/Squatting and culture Mujinga (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed that Squatting in the United States has a section on housing justice and other articles have history sections that provide some social context. Maybe we could expand discussions on social issues on the Squatting article and in the Squatting in X country articles. - Crisantom (talk) 06:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah definitely Crisantom that could be done, like you are doing at Squatting in the Philippines Mujinga (talk) 12:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
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Are buildings evicted or people?
Since it seems to come up every so often, most recently here, I thought I'd link to a discussion which occurred during a GA review in which I provided sources to show that in academic writing about squatting it is fine to talk of buildings being evicted rather than people. It seems to unnerve people's common sense usage of "eviction", but in the sense of squatting I think it's fine to talk of buildings being evicted because they are repossessed regardless of whether people are inside or not. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 12:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * And again at Talk:Ladronka/GA1 Mujinga (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)