Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stations/Archive 1

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So, there's not been much work on this in a while. Is this the proper place to make suggestions?


 * A list of notable places near the station, perhaps crosslinked back from those places.
 * The address or intersection of the station

Any other suggestions? The project as it exists now is pretty bare bones.

I just made some large changes to the template page, I hope I did this all correctly. --Golbez 05:27, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This looks good. I'll look over my contributions thus far to follow this. Unfortunately, I don't know the table markup, but I'll do what I can. --Meelar 05:32, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Here's a proposal for the footer table:

Single line:

Multiple lines:

Everything would be wikified except current station. In fact, I could see this being used to link systems together, as in this (fictitious) example

A style note - should the 'previous', 'next' be West-East or East-West? Usual notation is to do East-West, but I've always envisioned the Washington Metro as going West to East. ;) Maybe it should be on a per-system basis, or abandoned altogether?

Also, do you have any comment on my naming proposal?

EDIT: Added a color to the first one, just to see how it works. And now even more color! Just to see how it works. May render things unreadable. --Golbez 06:51, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The naming convention makes more sense your way; I've already moved Tenleytown-AU and Metro Center to reflect it. I usually think of it as West-to-East, because that's the way I'm usually headed; but I think it's up to us on this one. Meelar 06:55, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I would say West-East (West on the left like on a map) or North-South.--Patrick 00:13, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've gone with west-east, north-south, clockwise. In things like the Red Line, where most of the line was N-S but separated by a small W-E segment at the southern end, I used that segment to determine the order. --Golbez 13:58, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Current table draft:

I got rid of the line colors; blue on blue would be unreadable. I also hard-coded the width, since it makes it a little more attractive.

This doesn't specifically belong here, but since I linked the lines, might as well mention it, and taking a cue from existing pages Blue Line (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) and Circle Line. Personally, I like the former format better, and makes me wonder if we shouldn't use a similar format for stations? (I hate waffling like this...) like, "Foggy Bottom-GWU (Washington Metro station)"? I dunno. But as for line names, I like the parenthetical form better, because 'Blue Line' is pretty generic, yet I can't think of a way to incorporate the description; "Blue Line of the Washington Metro"? Seems a bit long winded. I think I prefer "Blue Line (Washington Metro)". --Golbez 07:49, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

How about this table? Looking for comment here. Is anyone still reading this, or have I bored you to death :)

Whatcha think? Might be better without the header.

Here's a general question: How much detail is too fine detail? OK, we're doing subway stops. What about general rail stations? Or ferry stations? Or bus stations, for that matter? Not that I'm doing a call to arms, I'm just curious how specific y'all think this here Wikipedia should be. --Golbez 08:14, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Notable Places Nearby -> Notable places nearby
Please note Manual_of_Style: Capitalize the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest (including ordinary nouns) lower case.--Patrick 00:02, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

suggest next step in UK railway stations be linking up along main lines.


 * Britishmainlines is about to be deleted. -Splash 00:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Duncharris 22:54, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)

Has anyone here seen what we over at the WikiProject Melbourne have done with Melbourne's railways? The basic line table we've got is like this: (note that it was created before seeing any of the tables here)

(Previous station is closer to city).

Or, at a line branch: (Previous station is closer to city).

For a more complex example, see the bottom of Flinders Street Station, which handles no less than 17 lines. Anyway, any suggestions on our boxes would be appreciated. And yes, the table syntax is ye olde-fashioned, but will be upgraded eventually. TPK 13:09, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Still active?
I've moved WikiProject Stations to the Inactive section of the WikiProject page, as it hasn't been edited since Nov 1st; I wanted to let you all know, and ask if you're still working on it. If so, feel free to move it back up into the active section. JesseW 08:22, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Improvement drive
The article on Transportation is currently nominated on This week's improvement drive. Vote for Transportation there.--Fenice 09:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Railway stations in the United Kingdom
This is overpopulated, see my comments at Category talk:Railway stations in the United Kingdom. Thryduulf 02:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Structure debate
Can we enhance the recommended structure? Something like


 * Name(s) of station, geographical location, overview of lines served.


 * Detail on the station
 * Lines and destinations served. Frequency of trains. Train-platform guides.
 * Transport interchange facilities (tube, tram, bus, taxi)
 * Description of the station. Number and layout of platforms, architecture, open or barrier entry
 * Facilities. Shops, waiting rooms, toilets, any of the sort of data found, for example, here


 * Area served
 * Description of area; facilities available nearby the station; geo-relationship to the area, town or settlement served (direction, time to walk)
 * Notable locations in the vicinity (museums, architecture, attractions &c ... and reciprocal links from the attraction page on wikipedia)


 * History of the railway station
 * Date built, history of construction, railway company involved
 * Architectural style; significant rebuilds


 * Trivia & miscellaneous


 * External links
 * Timetable(s), live departure boards &c.
 * Station information pages
 * Map(s), satellite photos


 * Infoboxes
 * Train lines - preceeding & next stations on all lines, e.g.
 * Links to A-Z of stations in the same country, e.g.
 * Links to A-Z of stations in the same area, e.g.
 * Management and key statistics, e.g.

--Tagishsimon (talk)

Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project
Hi, I'm a member of the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Article in need of attention
The article on Minffordd railway station has the potential to be very good, but as it stands it needs some attention to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of what is important and what is just trivia. Comments are on the talk page. Thryduulf 00:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Commons category organisation
I've started to split the Commons:Category:Train stations in the United Kingdom in the same way as Category:Railway stations in the United Kingdom here. I've categorised all images/sub cats and England, Scotland and Wales. I've also done some but not all of the splitting of England into counties. Any help with the rest would be much appreciated. 13:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed changes to TrainsWikiProject for subprojects
I've proposed a change to TrainsWikiProject that would incorporate links to the various subprojects of WikiProject Trains. Your input on the template talk page would be appreciated. Thanks. Slambo (Speak) 18:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion: "Wikipedia is not a timetable"
A policy re: station and station stop articles is being proposed for WikiProject Trains and it has been suggested that it be considered here as well. Please come and comment at User:Mangoe/Wikipedia is not a timetable. Mangoe 20:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Discussion has moved to User:Mangoe/Railroad line and station articles. Mangoe 20:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Naming
I disagree with the naming aspect - to say "X is a railway station" isn't really right in all cases. Often X can be the name of the suburb, so "X railway station is located on the Y line"... or something along these lines would be more appropriate. (JROBBO 05:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

Sydney stations
These are CityRail's best efforts so far - Redfern railway station, Sydney and Central railway station, Sydney. They are by no means finished (some more history stuff could be added), but that's the aim for all the CityRail articles. (JROBBO 05:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposed change to UK stations infobox
See Template talk:Infobox UK station for my proposed way to standardise the formatting of stations that have names in more than one language (e.g. English and Welsh names). Thryduulf 22:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Yeouinaru Station
As we have one of the most daunting completion tasks in Wikipedia (I doubt there can ever be a "completion"), some stations we have not been able to be written beyond a stub yet and there's still debate on the inclusion criteria of stations (see User talk:Mangoe/Wikipedia is not a timetable), but for now, per WP:AFDP, all stations are allowed. There is one subway station in Seoul, Korea, Yeouinaru Station, that is up for AfD. I was engaged in some meandering argument with one user (my inclination is to keep), but I thought it be appropriate to seek input from editors here on this AfD as this is directly related to this project. --Oakshade 07:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Railroad employee-only stations
Is a railroad station that only serves employees of the railroad (and not open to the general public except for railroad guests) notable? I know there are articles about railroad/subway yards and maintainence facilities, however. The example I am bringing up is Boland's Landing (LIRR station). Tinlinkin 13:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 23:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Unique Position of Lakeland & Jacksonville, Florida
If I do a page on Lakeland(Amtrak station), as I want to do, I'm going to have lots of trouble with the infobox down at the bottom.

The problem with it is that it indicates that the Silver Star goes towards New York at either of it's next stops. It doesn't. When it goes to Winter Haven, it goes towards Miami. In Tampa, it stops there, and goes in either direction. In the case of Jacksonville, if the Sunset Limited is revived, I'm worried that the direction will be all wrong compared to the Silver Meteor & Silver Star. DanTD 20:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's fixed halfway, with Miami now a legitimate parameter for right-hand travel. Mackensen (talk) 12:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Amtrak & Local stations
I'm currently trying to find out how many local mass transit systems connect to Amtrak stations. What is the closest station to the Amtrak Atlanta, Houston, and other major cities, or do they share use with Amtrak? DanTD 17:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Microformats
Infobox UK station has been updated recently, to use the hCard and Geo microformats (see also WP:UF. Are there any other templates which can be updated to use them, also? Please feel free to do so, or ask me to if you're not sure how to proceed. Andy Mabbett 15:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Amtrak station notability
There seems to be stub articles for almost every amtrak station in the U.S. many of which are not notable in any sense of the word other than the fact they are train stations, it seems to me due to the fact that a large number of the articles within Category:Amtrak stations are stubs with zero sources and a couple external links to Amtrak that they have little hope of ever being more than stubs. I would suggest someone consider merging many of these articles into main articles such as Amtrak stations in Illinois as is I am seriously considering Afding a whole bunch of these articles but thought I would come here first. IvoShandor 07:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe every Amtrak station, even the "less notable" ones, has its right to an article, even a concise one, as is the case for other countries such as the UK where even minor halts also have their articles. Please do not AFD any of these station articles, thank you!!! LHOON 08:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's quite incorrect to assert that there are no sources; those links you dismiss so casually contain all basic and necessary information about each station. There's definitely room for expansion, that no one has done so yet is no criteria for deletion (but then, neither is notability). Mackensen (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The previous editors are quite right. There are many sources on all stations.  WikiProject Trains and WikiProject Stations are gigantic never-ending projects.  As there are so many stations in the country (and world) and with a limited amount of train-dedicated editors, it's close to impossible to have full beautiful articles on all stations.  Every day it gets a little better.  I put my mouse where my mouth is and created quite a few station articles that are beyond stubs (San Bernardino Station for example).  But an article not having expansion yet doesn't mean its topic is non-notable.  --Oakshade 15:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

While many may be notable there are bound to be just as many that are not, and notability is oft a reason articles are deleted, I am not quite sure where the impression that it isn't came from. Just because some train stations are notable doesn't mean all train stations are notable, I mean I wouldn't try to write an article about a tiny airport in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere. I am just saying. All train stations aren't notable just because there is a WikiProject. One which is fine with me and I respected the editors of enough to come here with the question, to imply that I casually dismissed anything here is quite erroneous indeed. IvoShandor 10:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Notability isn't a criterion for deletion. Mackensen (talk) 10:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * May not technically be so, but the fact of the matter is, articles are deleted because they are about non notable subjects all the time. Either way there isn't any reason to jump down my throat or dismiss my opinions as nonsense, it is a valid concern. I do care about this. IvoShandor 10:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not jumping down your throat, but I am trying to suggest that submitting a station served by a national rail system is a non-starter. There was a long debate at Wikipedia talk:Places of local interest, the general consensus of which was that such stations automatically merit inclusion. That most of them are stubs is unfortunate, but give a man a stub and he'll expand it someday. Mackensen (talk) 11:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Now I feel like I am getting somewhere but surely not all of these could be significantly expanded, although I know many can and may better serve readers combined somehow, if a majority of stations are very notable then those will develop into articles. Many of these stations, especially those in small cities and towns, are listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places. Take the Plano article above, it appeared non-notable alone to me at first glance but I confirmed that it was indeed the depot listed on the Register, which is why I said considering in the first place. My point is that if a station doesn't have a long history it is unlikely to yield much of an article beyond ridership stats, thus it might be a candidate for merger. I don't think condensing information to make it more accessible is necessarily a bad thing. It is what I originally suggested, though my impression was the most stations couldn't be expanded significantly and now it seems the opposite is true. It's not like I had a vendetta against train station articles when I came here. : ) IvoShandor 11:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, great work on the Plano article! As a matter of principle I would take eight stubs over one merged article, because I find individual articles easier to work with (I expanded on this idea during said prior discussion). Broadly, Amtrak stations can be grouped into three categories: (1) stations originally built during the Golden Age of railroading, rich in history and tradition; (2) rump stations located on the site/down the street from the original station which stand as proof of civic neglect; (3) new stations built since 1970, which since the 1990s often form part of a county-wide intermodal complex (see Kalamazoo Transportation Center for a mix of #1 and #3). Now, it seems to me that the first and third categories are obvious keepers as standalone articles. The second is trickier, but I suspect that in almost all cases there's a story to tell concerning why there's an Amshack instead of a real station. Mackensen (talk) 12:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

(undent)Thanks, it has plenty of room for expansion too. I will set up a commons gallery too, with the images I took the other day in my Plano, Illinois photography tour of Registered Historic Places, see my station gallery. (This is only the second railroad station I have shot, but I did get to do Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad Depot (Oregon, Illinois) over the winter). I struggled with this as well but in a case where an article is very likely to remain a stub for a very long time they may be better combined, I was sad at first when I started doing this to the articles on Houses in Sycamore Historic District but I like it that way now. Certainly there may be stories to tell but whether or not those stories can be found in reliable sources is another thing entirely, this is why I combined the articles in the houses and churches and such of that historic district, sparse information. I suppose, ultimately, its more or less a project consideration. I won't AfD any of these but I still suggest considering assessing which articles are unlikely to go significant expansion in the future and combine them, they can always be broken off later if necessary. IvoShandor 12:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I checked on those images you've got for Plano CB & Q station article, and I didn't find them. In any case, judging by Mackensen 's standards, I've seen plenty of artices that were written like #2, when in fact they fall into #1, and should be merged with them, especially along the old Atlantic Coast Line, Seaboard Air Line, and other historic stations. I've already started lists of old depots with the same names for two different railroads, like St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern Railroad Depot, Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway Passenger Depot, and one other, that I forgot about. Either way, I'd like to see more of them added, and more people merging stations where it's necessary. DanTD 18:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Invitation/Information
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North White Plains Metro North maps
I added on the page for the North White Plains Metro North station links to two "maps & directions" sites: Ask.com & HopStop.com. The links allow the reader to navigate directly to these sites' map of 1 Haarlem Avenue, and offer directions using walking and public-transportation to and from the station. If there are no objections, I will add similar links to other stations' pages. Eustace 18:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

New York City Subway station naming convention
Over at WP:NYCPT, we are trying to reach a consensus on how New York City Subway stations should be named, because the subway system uses various names and punctuation formats for its stations, and users have "move-warred" articles in the absence of an agreed-upon guideline. The proposed convention is at WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/New York City Subway/Station naming convention. If you are interested, please visit the proposal and comment on the talk page. Thanks! TLK'in 07:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox query
I was wondering, can we add optional National Register of Historic Places date, architect, and architectural style(s) parameters to the stations infobox, it would go a long way toward solving the relatively silly inclusion of two infoboxes on some articles. Thanks for your time. IvoShandor 13:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

AFD notification
Corning (Amtrak station) has been nominated for deletion, primarily on the basis of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Please leave your comments on the deletion discussion. Slambo (Speak) 12:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Article names for US stations
There is a discussion at WP:TWP suggesting that article names for US stations should follow the now established "Foo railway station, region" naming convention as is currently used on the majority of British and Australian station articles. If you have any comments, please join the discussion there. Thanks. Slambo (Speak) 16:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

A new wiki specially for Trains...
Hello readers of WikiProject Stations!

I was wondering if anyone was interested in helping out at Train Spotting World, a new wiki for railfans. Please let me know here or there if your'e interested or want more info!

 Bluegoblin  7   19:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)