Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sudan

Anyone residing in Khartoum?
Is there anyone residing in Khartoum and owning a camera? I would need someone making photos in the National Museum. Let me know if anyone here is interested. LeGabrie (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

2018 Sudanese Protests
Anyone interested in improving a draft on this developing story, which has gone to WP:AFC? If so, see Draft:2018 Sudanese Protests. Regards from the Teahouse, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:42, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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Sketches of birds


The sketches in this 1919 notebook, by Abel Chapman, may be of interest. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
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Notice of Good Article reassessment
Hi there! This is a notice that I have opened an individual Good Article reassessment on the article Sudan women's national football team, which falls under the domain of this WikiProject. The review can be seen at this link (Talk:Sudan women's national football team/GA3) and any editor is welcome to help fix it up so that it can maintain GA status. Thanks! PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

The Waterman's Prophecy
Hi this article has been nominated for deletion. It didn’t have the WikiProject Sudan project template on it at the time, which I’ve now added. Members of this project may have views on the notability of the topic. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Mohamed Musa Gadou and Dafallah Sultan Farah
These articles were proposed for deletion. Posting here so that members of this project can add more about notability. Joofjoof (talk) 08:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Joofjoof I hope they get deleted. You either do a good job and make a decent article to start with or do not just make thousands sub-stubs articles to increase article count and ask people then to bring them to the point where they are actually viable articles. see this FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

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Discussions removed from the main page
Munfarid1 (talk) 06:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone, - I just added some general notes on the cultural bias of sources in English and non-Arab writers to the talk page of my GA on the Music of Sudan. - Maybe some of you would like to join in a discussion about this? - Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Music_of_Sudan#Sources_in_Arabic_about_music_of_Sudan,_part_one
 * Should Wikipedia refer to the ‘conquest’ of Sudan (1820) or the ‘invasion’ of Sudan? Should a Wikipedia articles use ‘Sudan’ or ‘the Sudan’ in their titles? Please join the discussion here.Mccapra (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * nsalih1: Hey all! Please read my updates I've made to the post, South Sudan Independence referendum 2011 - under the 'issues' section .. and provide feedback. I was working on it for class :) see - Southern Sudanese Independence Referendum 2011
 * Abdallah Khalil: I am very confused about the identity and details of this person. This article, which I just started, is about the former Prime Minister, though I have no info on if he is still alive or not.  The National Movement for Reform and Development article makes mention of a Khalil Abdallah, which I'm pretty sure is not the same person.  Can anyone shed some light on the subject? - BT 01:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Abdallah Khalil, the former prime minister, has died in 1971 according to the Arabic Wikipedia page. Just a couple of statements are there, but I will translate them to the en page. He is no relation to Khalil Abdallah of NMRD. --Karouri 20:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There are some nice articles on the Catalan Wikipedia about Sudan and related subjects. Compare ca:Beja and en:Beja people, for instance. I've started translating that one and will merge the translation into the English stub, but there's a lot more there if anyone is interested. --babbage 19:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * there exists the disambiguation Soudan, the French spelling for Sudan - should be integrated in Sudan (disambiguation) - Sven-steffen arndt 14:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * hi all ... in Central Equatoria is said, that the changing of the name happens in 2005, but the external link doesn't proof it - there is written: "The resolution has been passed to the southern Interim Assembly for endorsement and approval before the name Bahr el Jebel is dropped." so officially it was renamed on April 15, 2006 - see 16.04.06 - Sudan Tribune: "Southern Sudan Bahr al-Jabal State changes name" ... or have i misunderstood something ? Sven-steffen arndt 12:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was trying to figure this out a couple of weeks ago too. What I was trying to find was the Arabic name for Central Equatoria. Everything I could find still used Bahr al-Jabal, except for Wikipedia and a couple of news reports. This included the Sudanese government site, but I'm not sure how well maintained that is. —Bkell (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * ... my Arabic-expert gives me this: Al-Istiwa'iyya al-wusta (الاستوائية الوسطى, al-Istiwāʾiyya al-wusṭā, English: Central-Equatoria) ... but my questions refers more to the date 2005, should be April 2006 ... Sven-steffen arndt 16:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * hi all ... is this article South Sudan Liberation Movement a fake? ... it seems to be very confusing (firt SSLM, later SLA but not in Darfur) ... Sven-steffen arndt 16:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Naw. It's a real organization but the acronym should be SSLA for the military wing, South Sudan Liberation Army, not SLA like the Sudan Liberation Army.  I've got a book with some details of its formation but don't know what their current status is.  I'll add some details. - BanyanTree 17:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that SSLM has existed for some time. I believe it split from the SPLA/SPLM for some time. At some point it had an agreement with the government - that is before the current peace accord. I also believe that it splintered at some point with Riek Machar going back to the SPLA - I am not sure what happened to Matip. Riek Machar is now the second man in SPLA and is currently Vice-President of South Sudan as a result of the peace accord. This is all from memory - I lived in Sudan at the time. I will try to find more details and references later. --Karouri 21:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi all, maybe you will decide which of these 3 cities is the real one: Wau, Sudan - Waw, Sudan - Wow, Sudan? Sven-steffen arndt 21:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I went first the first one, and not just because it was the one I had edited. I does appear to be the most common spelling, at least of the sources that I read.  I have merged the pages and fixed the items on dab pages.  Cheers, BanyanTree 00:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * :-) ... German spelling is something different ... now, i can correct the interwiki-Links ... Sven-steffen arndt 13:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I made a locator map for Wau, and I had to decide on a spelling. All the sources I could find (the Encyclopædia Britannica, the Hammond Explorer Atlas of the World, Goode's World Atlas by Rand McNally, and the CIA World Factbook) used the spelling Wāw, so that's what I put on the map. But it would be very easy to change if consensus determines a different spelling. —Bkell 23:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This is sort of turning into a checklist for topics related to Sudan, a country which has been in the news a lot lately, mostly because of the Darfur conflict. (Maybe it should be turned into a category?) This page will contain a list of topics which need pages, and pages that need improvement.
 * For a good project-page skeleton, see Template:WikiProject.
 * maybe you will look to the German-project-page ... i have just worked it over Sven-steffen arndt 19:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Darfur attack
Where is the article on this recent event? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 17:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Darfur campaign
 * Geneina
 * Nyala
 * El Fasher
 * Zalingei
 * Kutum
 * FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not what I was referring to..... Bokoharamwatch (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Bokoharamwatch (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A grave incident, literally.

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
 Hello WikiProject Sudan:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 13:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Sudan Templates
Hi, I recently created the Kushite religion footer and sidebar. Next, I wanted to create a template for Ancient Sudan. Some of the same info will be on it, but I'm creating a list of topics that should be added. Is there anything that you all think should absolutely be on the template? MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 00:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Possibly something similar to Template:Ancient Rome topics? MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 01:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s needed and thanks for doing it
 * My advice will be to try to follow Navigation template, for example don’t link an article more than once, few redlinks should be ok as you are working actively in creating these articles. Try to separate Ancient Sudan and ancient Egypt if you can, although there is a huge overlap between the two evidence by the Kushite religion footer FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear MiddleOfAfrica
 * The use of terms Such as "Ancient Sudan " and "Kushite" is not accurate. The kingdom of Kush is a time period in Nubian history, "Sudan" is a foreign designation and an exonym, furthermore The Sudan is a colonial invention created in 1956. Before that , "Sudan was as a term was used to designate the entire Western Africa. Most of the topics covered in the toolbar describes Nubian culture and does not include the variety of cultures that constitute modern Sudanese society. For example , the inhabitants of Darfur and Eastern Sudan and their culture are not included , most of the topics in the Kushite footer actually covers aspects of Nubian history. Nubia predates the term "Sudan" and is the original name. Kush is an Egyptian term and not related to the rest of the multicultural ethnicities that make up the Sudan today.
 * Kindly take that into consideration. If you are convinced of the footer as it is then the term "Ancient Nubia" is a more accurate description, If you want it to be "Ancient Sudan" then you must include the cultures of the ethnicities of South Sudan , Western Sudan and Eastern Sudan. Kryako (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Thank you for your feedback. However, I am aware, which is why the previous footers aren't entitled "Ancient Sudan religion" and instead say "Kushite religion." Our use of "Ancient Sudan" in this thread was but a placeholder, similar to the use of "Ancient America" when referring to Indigenous American societies, despite the name being of European origin. With that said, the aforementioned Ancient Sudan template actually would include more civilizations and beyond those considered Nubian and Nilotic. More topics, more cultures, and more ethnicities. The Kingdom of Kush templates are already created, so there wouldn't be a need to recreate them just to put "Ancient Sudan" in the title. When I say "Ancient Sudan," I actually mean all peoples of Ancient Sudanic civilizations. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 21:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Good article nominations: Kushite religion
Kushite religion has officially been nominated for Wikipedia Good Article. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * It normally takes month for the article to be reviewed, having said that, the article need some copy editing. I will put some pointers that I hope it will help. Just know that standard for writing for GA is high and it is better to go through WP:MOS FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @MiddleOfAfrica well that was quick! But please don’t be discouraged. GA standard is very high and you were very lucky to have a reviewer with such good insights and experience. Hope you can take the comments on board and improve the article further. You always ping the reviewer to check your work again before you re-submit it FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I love constructive criticism. I actually agree with the reviewer's feedback. When I rewrote the Kongo religion article, I was able to be completely analyze and explore more aspects of the religion because I had more sources available to me. I just need to acquire more sources and restructure the article to focus more on the actual religion. I definitely see the issues with the article in its current state. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 23:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

List of reliable sources
I think we should start compiling a list similar to Reliable sources/Perennial sources but with focus on Sudan. Let’s call it WikiProject Sudan/Perennial sources .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Developing Countries WikiContest
Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries.

Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and proceed to further rounds. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs.

Sudan is listed as a least-developed country for the purposes of this contest, which means Sudan-related submissions to the contest will get a multiplier in points. I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content!

Append your name to the DCWC signup page today!

Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/my edits ) 15:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Update on Battle of Khartoum article
I was wondering if anyone is interested in gathering sources or updating the battle of Khartoum article. As this battle is a central point of the war and even where it started, I think we need to continue updating it. Also the last update to the article was in November 2023.

Anyone interested can reply below. Inform me either on this talk page or on mine if you have found anything!

Reliable websites to find info:
 * Radio Dabanga
 * Sudan Tribune

Other things that need updates on the article:
 * Map displaying the battle (Name of map image: File:Battle of Khartoum (2023).svg)
 * Infobox

Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I am bit busy these days but will check on you in ~3 weeks, for now
 * Warring around Khartoum Refinery 1 2 3, RSF execution of popular former military sparks outrage and condemnation
 * Fighting in Khartoum 1, 2
 * if you looking to write about war crimes, you can update the War crimes during the Sudanese civil war (2023–present), see Talk:War crimes during the Sudanese civil war (2023–present) FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)