Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swimming/Archive 1

Icon
I thought having an official icon in the way of WP:MILHIST and other projects would be cool so I went over to Wikimedia commons and checked out some options. Here are some that I found.

Lists
Created List of divers, List of synchronized swimmers and List of water polo players for the project. // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 11:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great work. If you could keep that as updated as possible, that would be great! --wpktsfs 21:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture of Swimming article
I've always HATED the picture of the "breaststroke swimmer" on the top of the Swimming article. Howver, I have never bothered to do anything about it. I am currently browsing through club photos to find something more appropriate. I have a Team Canada swimmer on my team, so perhaps I could find something great. Any suggestions, oppositions? Tingalex 21:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I HATE THAT PICTURE WITH A PASSION. Please do whatever you want with it. I would rather have a picture of someone standing on land than have that picture. Haha... anyways yes please. I think that the picture of the swimmer on the Front Crawl article would look nice on the swimming article, but you are welcome to find one of your own! --wpktsfs 21:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank God you hate it as well. Hopefully I can find something great soon enough. Tingalex 22:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate that picture too. The front crawl one looks all right. --Lemonflash 00:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a bit better. Sorry I havent't found something great yet...I've been really busy with my music.  I still plan on finding something awesome.  Tingalex 01:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes
All of the userbox templates are not ones. --Lemonflash 00:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I use my own custom userboxes for all of mine. Mabey something simple just using text would do.

Like this:

Cheif Captain 04:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Or like this (using the icon series seen above):

Cheif Captain 04:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I love the second set. --wpktsfs 18:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I used one of them and just put that I was in this Wikiproject. --Lemonflash 22:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't even know there was a Swimming WikiProject, neat! Anyway, I made this ubx recently. I figured there's probably more ex-swimmers than current swimmers (myself included). Feel free to use! Tell your friends!

article
I would like to write an article on swimming,could you help?TheConfudedFreak 16:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? --Lemonflash 21:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

infobox
We have no template for swimmers on Wikipedia, I would make one but I don't understand how. --Lemonflash 22:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a prototype infobox on Template:Infobox Swimmer that is open for discussion here. --I Are Scientists 03:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Subcats
''Note about subcats - eg, Category:Olympic swimmers of Australia is a subcat of Category:Australian swimmers. Please do not add the supercat as well, and remove if you come across it.''

From the project page.

I don't see the point with that. All other sports groups all the athletes (Category:Swedish athletes, Category:German footballers) in the same category. // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 08:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Manual of Style
Is there any Manual of Style for the tables in championship articles and the world record progression lists? All looks different to each other. // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 19:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Elliott Warren

 * --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Created Wikipedia ad for this project
I have created a Wikipedia Ad for this project. I have added it to the frontpage of this project, including the code to show the ad on your own userpage. Hopefully you like it. -Jort227 19:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: KNZB Dutch Short Course Swimming Championships 2006

 * --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 15:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Research help for a sticky BLP
Do we have any good sources for current and past Canadian swimming records, British Columbia specifically possibly high school age, supposedly still held in 2007. We've got a high attention, high controversy, BLP article where whether or not there were such records is being questioned. If true, it should probably remain in the article. So we need sources. Any help will be appreciated. GRBerry 20:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm Swiminfo is the place to look, if anything at all exists. They are by far teh most detailed swimming database on earth and they do have results of US high school comps. Maybe not Canada though.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 00:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I failed to find Canada records on that site, and their search feature requires premium access. Oh well.  How significant is the "British Columbia Summer Swimming Association" http://www.bcssa.bc.ca/?  We've managed to source some still held records within that association.  And what would be the national association/league/competition for Canada? GRBerry 04:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked in these numbers. I guess if those times were in long course pools, then they would be ok, since the fastest guy is 50.2s over 100m free. If it was short course, the times would be pretty bad. Canada does have open championships like most countries, for selecting olympics and World champsionships teams.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 04:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Help request: GA backlog
Hello. There has been a large backlog at the Good Article Nominations page for a while. Since most of my editing is in the Sports and Recreation category, that is the area that I am currently focusing on. To try to cut down on the backlog, I'm approaching projects with the request that members from that project review two specific articles over the next week. My request to WikiProject Swimming is to try to find time to review Stuart Elliott (footballer born 1977) and New Year's Revolution (2007). If these are already reviewed by someone else or you have time for another review, it would be great if you could help out with another article. Of course, this is purely voluntary. If you could help, though, it would help out a lot and be greatly appreciated. The basic instructions for reviewing articles is found at WP:GAN and the criteria is found at WP:WIAGA. I recently began reviewing articles, and I've found it fairly enjoyable and I've learned a lot about how to write high quality articles. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Dick Hannula
I've just created Dick Hannula, mainly to get rid of a redlink on Tacoma, Washington. I figure the folks in this project would be able to expand this stub of an article more, add the correct categories, etcetera, etcetera. Have at it. Travisl (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Project vision.
I've recently joined this project and it appears to me that this project isn't that active. I'm going to try and change this. I've been trying to tag articles with our template hence adding them to the project. Ive compiled a list of over 6000 articles that fall into the scope of our project, so it's going to take a while to tag them all. I started by using AWB but realized its going to take me too long, so ive put in a request for a bot account that will use AWB and it will just automate the process and make it a heap faster. The request can be found [|here]. If it's approved it will initially be used to tag the talk pages, but after that, i imagine that it will be used to maintain the articles and do spelling checks etc) all using AWB.

I think the first steep is identifying all the articles, and then slowly but surely assesing them and all that sort of stuff. And fixing the articles as we go.

We just need a vision and goals and we'll succeed. Any comments about my statement just leave them here. Cheers Printer222 (talk) 12:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Articles requiring work/review
Can we create a list of articles requiring work or review? For example, I enhanced the Lea Maurer page and would like others to add photos from her swimming career, add information on the important swimmers coached by Lea (e.g. several in this year's Olympics), assess it for quality and importance, suggest additional changes required if any. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msft watch (talk • contribs) 15:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 2851 articles are assigned to this project, of which 282, or 9.9%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-07-14.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place a template on your project page.

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List of Olympic-size swimming pools in the United Kingdom‎ & List of Olympic-size swimming pools in the Republic of Ireland
It may be of interest to Project participants that the above pages have been tagged for deletion. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox diver
Hello, all. I have reworked the abandoned Infobox diver. I would appreciate any and all feedback, changes, corrections, and additions to the infobox. Kolindigo (talk) 04:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca Soni Vandalism
The page for Rebecca Soni has been vandalised.

I am not good with editing. Can anyone pitch in?

Thanks

Aditya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.11.142 (talk) 04:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Records in swimming
I'm working on an initiative to improve the consistency of presentation across the series of records in swimming articles, a subject well within the remit of this WikiProject. Please join us at User:Yboy83/Records in swimming project, either to contribute, or give views on what we're doing. The current topics of discussion include: Also looking for a little help with setting up some templates - I've done the basics, but not want certain columns of the records table and certain other parameters to be optional. Yboy83 (talk) 11:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Should we include split times?
 * Is it important to note if records were not set during a final?
 * Where should the meet name be displayed?

GA Nominee
I'm not sure were to put this, so I'll post it here. Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metre butterfly has been nominated for GA status. ANy help would be appreciated. Thanks ! -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   18:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Article titles
It appears that article titles in Category:European LC Championships 1997 violate the MOS. Should they be renamed to match the convention in e.g. Category:Swimming events at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Also: should uppercase names of swimming styles (e.g. "100 metre Freestyle") be changed to lowercase elsewhere (infoboxes in particular)? GregorB (talk) 12:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think you're completly right. // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 21:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, Category:European LC Championships 1997 is now on my todo list. GregorB (talk) 13:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. However, seeing Category:1993 FINA Short Course World Championships and Category:1997 FINA Short Course World Championships made me think that life is perhaps too short. I hope someone gets to it eventually... GregorB (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Swimming
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Diving - what would it take to get to GA or A?
The Diving article is currently rated B quality. Can anyone make specific suggestions for areas to improve to bring up to GA standard? DaveApter (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Subcats to nationality categories of swimmers
I think we've seen an inflation of subcats to the nationality categories of swimmers, e.g. Category:American swimmers which includes Category:American butterfly swimmers, Category:American breaststroke swimmers, Category:American backstroke swimmers, Category:American freestyle swimmers and Category:American medley swimmers. I don't think we need to categorise the articles by preferred stroke and demonym, athletes and footballers aren't categorised by preferred event or position together with the demonym. // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 20:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Many swimmers swim more than one stroke, then you end up with the category list on a biography article getting longer and longer - I'd say a long list of contents of a category is more appropriate than multiple categories at the bottom of an article. Furthermore, swimming biography articles are already categorised by category:stroke (all nationalities) - surely the point of such category is to group and compare other swimmers from other countries who swim the same stroke. Categorising by stroke and demonym prevents this. Yboy83 (talk) 22:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe we shall put it up on WP:CfD once for all? S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 21:23, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Peer review for Yip Pin Xiu
I wrote an article about Singaporean Paralympic swimmer Yip Pin Xiu. The article is currently on peer review in preparation for a GA nomination. Members of this WikiProject are invited to review the article. Any and all feedback is welcome. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 11:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Big bunch of pictures
Some of you may already be aware of this but a huge set of photographs have been added to Commons after an agreement with the German federal archive. In particular, there are dozens of pictures of German swimmers now available. Pichpich (talk) 15:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Please participate in Yip Pin Xiu's peer review
Greetings, members of this WikiProject! Besides enjoying swimming, I suppose you enjoy improving Wikipedia's coverage of swimming. How about disabled swimmers? Yip Pin Xiu won two medals and set two world records at the 2008 Summer Paralympics. I wrote an article about her and have filed a PR to help get it to GA status. So please help give the article a thorough review! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 03:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Article on aquajogging
Hi, I came to Wikipedia to get some info on Aquajogging. Although the article has info on World Championships, records, and a bit on used equipment, the article does not explain what aquajogging actually is or how it's done. As somebody already made this remark on the talk page some time ago, I'm looking here for someone who can improve this article. -- Lemming (talk) 10:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
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Swimming World Swimmers of the Year
nominated Swimming World Swimmers of the Year for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- Scorpion 0422  21:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles requiring attention or possible deletion
The following list of articles are being considered as unable to meet requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia. They require attention to either: Feel free to add to the list any other swimming-related articles you find on your travels around Wikipedia that also require significant attention or possible deletion.
 * Prove notability with sufficient references
 * Merge into another article
 * Expand
 * Provide more links to it to ensure it is no longer an orphan
 * or Delete.

Comments
I have started the list with a selection of articles I have uncovered during my WP Swimming assessment spree in the last few days - I have already WP:PRODed a couple that I feel are particularly deserving. Yboy83 (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

List

 * 2008 Australian Olympic Swimming Trials merge with 2008 Australian Swimming Championships DONE
 * Canada at the 2005 World Aquatics Championships - Prodded - Only article of this type, contains no additional information MERGED
 * Cathal Brugha water polo - notability?, unreferenced, orphan
 * Christopher Cavanaugh merge with Chris Cavanaugh (swimmer)
 * City of Southampton Swimming Club
 * Clonard Waterpolo Club - notability, orphan
 * Collegiate Water Polo Association - convert to list
 * George Haines merge with George F. Haines
 * Gloucester City Swimming Club - notability?, orphan
 * Hoddesdon Swimming Club - notability, orphan, unreferenced
 * Hole set - expand, merge into Glossary of water polo, or delete
 * Leicester Penguins Swimming Club - notability?, orphan, possible copyright infringement
 * Overall Medal Table for Swimming at the Commonwealth Games - orphan, no similar articles for other sports
 * Schroeder YMCA Swim Team - notability?, orphan
 * Sheffield Swimming, SCSC - notability?, orphan, unreferenced
 * Swimman - advertising, notability, orphan
 * Swimming around the world - expand or delete?
 * Swimming clubs in Kent - orphan, WP:ISNOT a directory or repository of links
 * Swimming Clubs in London - orphan, WP:ISNOT a directory or repository of links
 * Swimming World High School Teams of the Year - unreferenced, notability
 * The M-drop - expand, merge into Glossary of water polo, or delete
 * Walter Laufer - orphan, possible copyright infringement
 * Western Water Polo Association - notability? expand, convert to list, or delete
 * Marco_Polo_(game) - remove malicious and/or suspect misinformation

Swimming / Human swimming - how did we miss this?
I have today discovered that the primary article of this project was moved from Swimming to Human swimming on 30 March 2009. It appears it was proposed in January after a user question placed on the talk page in October 2008, yet the move was made without further discussion or consultation from any WikiProjects. It is noted that greater than 6,000 articles contain links to Swimming, with a guess that >95% are related to swimming as a sport, and now each and every one of those links now points to the wrong article.

What should our response to this be?

WP:WikiProject Sports has for a long time had the suggestion of splitting the original article into Swimming (sport) and Swimming (for the general activity). Perhaps this should be the basis for a compromise - move the content of Human swimming related to the competitive sport to Swimming (sport), and the remaining content about "human swimming" back to Swimming. This would then mean a fair amount of minor article editing to get articles linking to the right place, but at least "Swimming (sport)" is a more appropriate article name than "Human swimming".

Any thoughts? Yboy83 (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I only worked it out when I was editing the template to accept task forces (WP Swimming). I meant to tell you but I fell asleep! Don't know what to do, although Swimming (sport) does sound better.   On   Holiday     19:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ongoing discussion at Talk:Human swimming. Yboy83 (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Nutrition
I added a section to this page regarding sports nutrition. I added it because i think it is very important for people to understand how important it is for swimmers to receive a healthy amount of nutrients. Additionally, I thought that the addition helps to complete the competitive swimming side. NutritionFanNutritionfan (talk) 05:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This is the Project talk page. You should place your comment on the talk page of the article you are discussing, i.e. Talk:Swimming (sport). Yboy83 (talk) 07:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Swim (search autocomplete cleanup)
Continuing to try to remove the unnecessary duplication/triplication of what shows in the autocomplete dropdown when typing in "swim" I am planning to PROD two redirect pages:
 * Swim bladders because it is a plural duplicate of Swim bladder - both of which redirect to Gas bladder
 * Swim Briefs because it is a caps variation of the correct name Swim briefs where it redirects

I am proposing this because I think the autocomplete dropdown is much more useful when there is a reasonable list of what actual articles are out there, rather than multiple possible permutations of caps or pluralization (similar to the case with the 6 redirects of Swim / Feeder albums that I already cleaned up). Wanted to post it here so that if anyone has a major concern the can de-prod or discuss it here. Thanks. JCutter { talk to me }    01:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Revival of this project?
Hi all,

This project seems to have been largely inactive for a while, though the number of swimming articles is continually rising - currently some 3300 article are tagged with the project banner. I think it's time for a revival in order to get return some order and standardisation for this growing number of articles.

Some tasks I've done today:
 * Archive this talk page.
 * Place a WP:Bot Request to catch up on tagging of articles with the project banner.

There are too many articles to be managed as a whole project. How about we create some work-groups to deal with different aspects:
 * Swimming
 * Biographies
 * Competitions
 * Water polo
 * Synchro
 * Diving
 * Other

Before that though, I propose completion of the following tasks:
 * Project banner tagging.
 * Quick assessments of all articles, ensuring there are no articles in Category:Unassessed swimming articles - this will allow an easy view of newly created articles.
 * During this quick assessment, remove banner from any articles which don't really meet the project scope. WP:BB if necessary.
 * Create a list of dubious articles / articles for deletion.

Yboy83 (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I like your idea of work groups for different sports, and I will help out as much as I can. However, I think a biography work group for swimmers is covered by the sports and games work group of WP:BIO, although with the amount of articles they need to improve it may be better doin it ourselves, instead of them being neglected in favour of Football biographies.   On   Holiday     21:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Following up from your message on my talk page, feel free to start the process of setting them up. During my browse through the articles under the project's auspices in the last few days, the articles could broadly be put into the following groupings:
 * Basics - strokes, equipment, history, ...
 * Venues
 * Organisations
 * Swimming records
 * Swimming biographies - too many to mention!
 * Swimming competitions
 * Water polo
 * Diving
 * Synchro - relatively few
 * Lifesaving
 * Perhaps we start with work groups (do I actually mean task-forces?) for 'Water polo', 'Diving' and 'Swimming competitions' as they should be quite manageable in size. Yboy83 (talk) 08:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll do that and put the work groups (I fancy a change from task forces) on the Swimming template.   On   Holiday     16:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How's this going? Am I right in thinking that water polo is ready to go? Is it just case of adding "|water-polo=yes" to the project banners? Perhaps I'll place a bot request to populate. Yboy83 (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thats it.   On   Holiday     18:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Righty-o! The bot has completed it's project banner tagging task, and we now have approx 7,500 pages under the auspices of this project (of which about 5900 articles, 1200 categories, 500 templates). Time now to get assessing the unassessed articles, and keeping on top of new article creations (for example via User:AlexNewArtBot/SwimmingSearchResult). There are currently 1200 unassessed articles, and it would be great to get this down to a more manageable size! The bot which was supposed to add "water-polo=yes" to the banners on the appropriate talk pages missed a fair number of articles, so keep an eye out for these too! Yboy83 (talk) 20:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

This seems a logical place to leave a note
Proposal to create WikiProject Diving. I've become a big fan of diving in recent months, and much as I also love swimming, I have to say I really don't think diving belongs under the purview of WikiProject Swimming. If anyone is interested in forming WikiProject Diving (or, hey, even if you oppose its formation), please go !vote on the matter. Nosleep break my slumber 15:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Additional note, just uploaded File:US Marines butterfly stroke.jpg, I really think there's a good # of free images out there for the taking. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments requested on Infobox Swimming Pool
As part of a collaboration on creating articles for in the UK, a Swimming Pool Infobox has been created (for an example in use, see Broomhill_Pool, Ipswich). Though initially used on lidos articles, this is intended to be available for general use. I'd welcome your comments on Template talk:Infobox Swimming Pool for improvement before it is deployed more widely.—Speedoguy (talk) 10:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Biggest Need for Swimming ATM
The biggest thing we need to work on right now is to update the individual swimmers' pages for their World Records held, because the pages are WAY out of date. The reason I think this is a priority is because it is in fact false information on the pages that needs to be corrected, rather than pages needing to be improved or added. Also, several places I have seen someone's page saying that they have a record (200X-present) but also having an incumbent listed. With how many World Records that have been broken in the past 2 years (now around 225), we've done a great job keeping up the World Records pages, but this has not been carried over to the individual sports' pages.HatBucketBalls (talk) 04:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I am agreed that this is an issue. More records are expected to be broken this weekend at the final leg of the World Cup in Singapore. I believe that after that the aim should be to get all the record progression articles up to date, since the succession boxes of which you talk link to these articles, and the information contained within will be useful in ensuring the individual swimmers' articles are correct and up-to-date.
 * On a related note, a discussion will be required on how to go about recording swimming records depending on the possible options FINA could choose regarding non-textile world records etc. This however is a duscussion for the list of world records article.
 * Yboy83 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Swimming pool sanitation
I've just added the article Swimming pool sanitation to this WikiProject; it needs a lot of work and, I believe, a great deal of uncited information contained within it is not encyclopedic and some of it is not even correct. For example, I think it makes no sense to lead off with a detailed discussion of specific pool equipment -- although a shorter version of that probably should be somewhere else in the article. I'd like to invite anyone here to take a look at the article and try their hand at editing it. I am declining to be bold in my edits because I have a potential conflict in that its subject matter is of interest to a client of my employer. For example, they have pointed out to me that chlorine is not mentioned until the second half, although chlorine systems are very common. I tend to agree, but I've done only a small amount of work on the article and want to see if anyone else might be interested in the article or, if you would, offer advice and feedback on edits I may make further. Thanks in advance, NMS Bill (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement
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CfD discussion of Category:Swimmers by century
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Warning flags
Can't seem to find article for "warning" flags/information flags used by the IALA. Green - calm water, yellow - light surf, blue - marine pest, etc. Really needs to be separate article so other articles can link. Student7 (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Sports Notability
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Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons
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Wiki's Swimming Portal
I love swimming so I frequently look at swimming articles. Today I just went on to the Swimming Portal and it hasn't changed in the last 3 months, or has it randomly rechoosen the picture and article. I would like to help out with that if someone tells me how. MeisMyself Contact Me  16:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

FAC
Featured article candidates/Neil Brooks/archive1  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  01:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

New FAC
This gold-medal winning swimmer from 1980 is at FAC. Many thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Featured article candidates/Peter Evans (swimmer)/archive1

New FAC for Mark Kerry

 * Mark Kerry – Discussion

A FAC has been started for this Australian Olympic gold-medal winning swimmer of 1980  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  01:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

New FAC for Quietly Confident Quartet

 * Quietly Confident Quartet – Discussion

A FAC has been started for the Australian Olympic gold-medal winning relay team of 1980  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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Request for Rfc
Need help on recent edits to Canadian program at Lifeguard. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 12:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Stroke categories
On another note, are people aware of the various stroke cats that are available for use? Many articles do not have them in there  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  00:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I was not aware of the stroke cats until I saw you adding them on the swimmers bios. I will make sure to include them in my edits in the future.Philipmj24 (talk) 01:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ditto. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Use of flag icons
Greetings, swimming fans. I work principally on University of Florida and Florida Gators articles, and I have been gradually cleaning up and improving the 50+ Florida Gators swimmers articles, such as "Mary Wayte." Until recently, all of the articles had the 🇺🇸 flag icon included in the nationality field in the Infobox swimmer template, well, that is until an IP user began deleting all of them in the past month. Has a new consensus been reached on the inclusion/removal of the flag icons from the swimmer articles, or has this IP decided to remove the flag icons unilaterally? Please advise. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we have tolerated these icons in info boxes and sister cities/twin cities, but they are deprecated in other matter. It is really an encyclopedia, not a nationalistic trumpet. Might have this sort of thing in an almanac, for example. See WP:MOSFLAG. Student7 (talk) 12:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Student7, yes, but Wikipedia has traditionally used the flag icons for sports people who participate in international competition for clarity, including soccer, track & field, swimming and other Olympic sports, and this use is consistent with with WP:MOSFLAG. Moreover, it's clearly not an American "nationalism" thing; the German and Australian swimmer articles, as well as the international swimming competition articles all uniformly use the flag icons.  All of the World Cup soccer/football articles include the flag icons, and again these athletes compete for their respective national teams.  Clearly, the use of the flag icons for American football players and the like would be gratuitous and would impart no additional information, because American football players do not compete for the United States on a national team.  The best international swimmers, of course, are invariably members of their respective national teams.  As long as the Olympics, World Aquatics championships and other international swimming competitions hoist the medalists' national flags and play their national anthems, I think we risk ignoring a very real aspect of these international competitions.  My question was intended to determine the present Swimming Wikiproject consensus on point, from regular contributors to the WP swimming articles, as we have a single IP user who seems to be on a crusade to delete all flag icons from the present generation of international swimmer bios.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * First and foremost, I'm the IP user. Putting the 🇺🇸 flag is redundant and not correct in the "Nationality" field.  The flag icon, on most swimming articles, is already above the medals.  Which I think is the appropriate place to put the flag icon.  Why have the same flag icons so close to eachother? It's redundant.  Nationality does not mean the country they represent or represented.  That is a common issue with most swimming articles and I'm trying to fix it.  Ryan Lochte for example.  He's not United States nationality.  He's American.  Ian Thorpe is of Australian nationality.  Not Australia nationality.  That needs to be corrected.  No consensus were made for my edits.  I just took the initiative.Philipmj24 (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Philip, yes, the generally recognized nationality adjective form for the noun "United States" is "American." However, every wiki-linked instance of "American," as used to describe a citizen/resident/native of the United States, is supposed to be properly pipe-linked to "United States" for clarity.  In common international usage, the word "American" is inherently ambiguous: many residents of Canada and Latin America consider themselves to be "American," too.  In order to draw the distinction, many Latin Americans refer to U.S. residents as "norteamericanos," so we have a small usage problem.  Some non-U.S. residents even get a little peeved by U.S. residents' perceived expropriation of the term.  The "American" Wikipedia page is a disambiguation page, with two dozen different uses and another half-dozen disambiguation links, which speaks volumes.


 * All of that having been said, if your issue is the infobox template's use of the country's noun form versus the use of an adjective form to describe the swimmer's nationality, but the project consensus is to continue to use the flag icons for international swimmers, then I suggest we change the "Template:Infobox Swimmer" field name from "Nationality" to "Country" and thereby eliminate the minor noun-vs.-adjective terminology issue.


 * Let's get some input from other Swimming Wikiproject contributors, especially from non-American WP contributors, because the vast majority of the 3,330 WP swimming articles include the flag icons and the vast majority also concern swimmers who are not Americans. I'm happy to abide by the majority/consensus, but I'm not interested in touching off an on-going reformatting conflict if a new consensus does not exist.  Most of all, I want the 50+ Florida Gators swimmers articles to be formatted to the same standards and to exhibit similarly high-quality content (see "Mary Wayte" for a good example of good, minimum standard content).  Most of the individual swimmer bios are a mess, full of non-relevant trivia, promotional links, and fancruft, and the vast majority need to be brought up to a common minimum standard of content.  Bottom line: I would rather spend my time improving article content than debating formatting.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I am aware of the broad definition of the word American. Every edit I made to replace the flag icon with the word American is properly linked to the United States. Going so in-depth about that wasn't necessary.  But I get your point. I'm not really concerned with the "noun-vs.-adjective terminology issue." What I am concerned with is the redundancy.  Like I said before, The flag icon, in most swimming articles, is already in the swimmer's infobox (located right above the medals).  There is no need to put the flag icon on there twice (like you tried to do with Ryan Lochte).  That could come off as nationalistic, which isn't what Wikipedia is about.Philipmj24 (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry about the mis-communication; I apparently misunderstood what you were trying to convey regarding "nationality" is American, not United States. This is what I meant by "adjective" (American) vs. "noun" (United States) forms.  Regarding the redundancy issue, on my primary web browser (Firefox 3.5.1) the swimmer medals (and second flag icon) only display when the "show" button is toggled.  This also appears to be the case for my backup version of MS Internet Explorer.  Query: if the WP Swimming contributors feel that two flag icons is too many (or too nationalistic), do we want the single remaining flag icon to display in the static infobox or only when the medal box display is toggled?


 * I can't speak for all 3,000+ WP Swimming articles because I haven't looked at all of them, but the 45+ Florida Gators swimmer bios (those that had infobxes, and not just a medal box) all had a national flag icon in the infobox before I ever edited them. This appears to be the case for the vast majority of other swimmer bios as well.  In fact the Ryan Lochte article had a flag icon in the infobox, too, before it was deleted on October 8th (see diff ); on October 14th, I merely restored the flag icon to the Lochte infobox that was deleted on October 8th in order to maintain formatting consistency with all other swimmer bios.  I neither created this standard nor inserted the flag icons in any of these articles; I was merely working with the existing formatting that existed before I touched any of these articles.  After I discovered the flag icon deletions from other current swimmer bios by the IP user, I raised the issue here for discussion and determination of consensus.  Having recounted this history at some length, it remains to be determined if there is a new project consensus to remove the flag icons from the swimmer article infoboxes.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I disagree on the redundancy in their use, and believe a swimmer's/athlete's nationality for competition should be noted with a flag: I believe the flag should be present in the info box. And the Gators should still have their nationality marked: their swimming team (at least currently) has a high international count. Unless, of course, UF is trying to disguise this.... Hooperswim (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * These athletes are representing their country of swimming nationality: at the time of their meet/swim/awards, they are in some respects the country's representative: they are taking a spot allocated to the country, and the affiliation is listed there (sometimes above their actual names, such as relays). The flag is important to include as it implies weight that is present in the representation.
 * An athlete's representation can be different from their home country, their birth country, their country of residency, and/or their actual nationality. It can also change during their career (e.g. Mike Alexandrov, Achieng Ajulu-Bushell, Ben Hockin).
 * The flag can also be more correct than just a nationality (and I'm thinking all those likes from "Great Britain" that go the the United Kingdom page, despite the fact that for swimming (at least) Northern Ireland is a part of the Irish federation).
 * It can also be important to have the visual distinction for cases where the representation differs within a group/team, say in something like a college relay that sets a SCM US Open Record which ends up being the fastest time ever and is not recognized as the World Record because of the different nationalities present on the record.
 * I also believe it important to have both the flag and the country name present in the info box because there are instances where just the flag is listed or the flag and the 3-letter abbreviation. Having the flag and country listed helps connect the two and can be the point where person who has not memorized all the country codes of the IOC, FINA, FIFA or other, now understands who they person is competing for.


 * Maybe we should focus more on WP:MOSFLAG. It states, "flags are discouraged in sportspeople's individual infoboxes." It also goes on to say, "Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense." Which is what some are suggesting.  If we are going to keep the flag there, "Nationality" should be changed to "Represented country". Or something in that effect.  Which would be redundant because that exact phrase is also stated above the medal table.  Hooperswim, you "believe a swimmer's/athlete's nationality for competition should be noted with a flag." It is.  Most swimming articles have the flag right above the medal table.Philipmj24 (talk) 19:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Editing
Doing edit to DrowningCanadianWagon (talk) 23:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

New template Template:Student athlete
Feel free to help fill in Template:Student athlete by adding new articles or creating articles for redlinks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:54, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Your opinions and advice
A recently discussion WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. --Geneviève (talk) 22:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Succession boxes
I am noticing that a lot of swimmers have succession boxes in chronological order instead of being grouped and merged by event. Athletes from many other sports have their succession boxes merged by event. See Barry Bonds and Wayne Gretzky. It makes it much easier for the reader when succession boxes are merged. I supervised the Jessica Hardy review and asked that hers be merged. After seeing Ryan Lochte pass GA with chronological succession boxes, I bounced around and looked at Michael Phelps and Ian Thorpe only to see them also chronological. Has swimming decided to go against the grain of other sports?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see what you mean. That can be done, no problem.  When I was doing the Jessica Hardy article and you told me to merge the boxes, that was the first time I've heard of that.  I've forgot about it since then.  Most swimming bios succession boxes articles are in chronological order like you said.  But I can start merging them.  I don't want the swimming articles to go against everything else.  It is important that we don't have articles that are doing different formats. Philipmj24 (talk) 13:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If there are no objections, I may do a few myself too.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Today, I did Ryan Lochte, Michael Phelps, Ian Thorpe, Janet Evans, Mark Spitz, Amanda Beard, Natalie Coughlin, Leisel Jones, and Matt Biondi.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:09, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I do think it makes sense to put the succession boxes in event order rather than chronological order (and this is something I'll keep in mind for future GAN reviews), but I think the boxes still need some work on Ryan Lochte (I haven't looked at the other articles yet). Should the articles be sorted by the distance, short/long course, or stroke type, and in what order?  Right now it still seems all over the place.  Perhaps this should be a WikiProject-level style recommendation as to the order. –Grondemar 13:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think most projects have any order to succession boxes and kudos to the swimfolks for thinking about any type of ordering system. I support any merged system be it distance, stroke type, course type or alphabetical.  I have no problem with any of them.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Today I did Gary Hall, Sr..--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Did Aaron Peirsol.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Julia Smit complete. 76.194.200.90 (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Sukumizu
I asked at the WikiProject Anime and manga and was directed to you, if it would be suitable to write an article about Sukumizu (スクール水着). A typical type of swimsuite at Japanese schools and adapted in local media as a common theme. Would there be some objections, since it is more or less a One-piece swimsuit? --Niabot (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a saying here on wikipedia that Silence means consensus If you know enough about the subject and have references I would be WP:BOLD and make the article =). Worst thing that is going to happen is that it will be AfD'd but at least then you will have an answer one way or another if it does or does not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:12, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Use of German characters in English language articles
There is a discussion at Talk:Michael Groß which may be of interest to members of WikiProject Swimming, on which you may be able to share your knowledge and opinions. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

AfD Assistance
I have recently participated in an AfD where the best way of establishing notability of a politician/musician/athlete is determining the significance of awards won in swimming events. If you are familiar with the FINA Open Water Grand Prix, British Long Distance Swimming Association, and/or English Channel swimming, your expertise would be greatly appreciated at Articles for deletion/Paul Hopfensperger. Thanks for your time.  Ol Yeller Talktome 17:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Does no one participate in this project or do requests generally go unanswered for some other reason?  Ol Yeller Talktome 14:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

how do you join
i want to join this wikiproject, but i dont know how, please can you tell me how thank you

07:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar45596524 (talk • contribs)
 * Simple - just add your name to the bottom of the list and you're through! Also feel free too add the userboxes to your user page. JZCL (talk) 17:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Events in swimming like events in Athletics
What do you think about to start to write the articles like 100 metres freestyle? --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki links on event articles
I've noticed that interwikis from an swimming event are somewhy on "World record progression event" maybe somewhere else too or just missing. For example no interwikis on 100 metres freestyle but they are on World record progression 100 metres freestyle. (I came from Estonian wikipedia where they are all wrong). I'll try to change some, but maybe bots will change it back. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Nationality, flag usage, and citizenship parameter
Please note a discussion that affects two topics, nationality of swimmers and flag usage in the nationality parameter. It appears at Talk:Missy Franklin. In addition, please note a discussion on the inclusion of a citizenship parameter for Infobox swimmer. It appears at Template talk:Infobox swimmer. Ryan Vesey 20:59, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Canada Cup
Does anyone know about the Canada Cup of swimming (I suppose Canada Cup (swimming))? I can't seem to find much information on it from Swimming Canada's website -- 70.50.151.36 (talk) 06:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Missy Franklin
FYI Talk:Missy Franklin is currently discussing issues concerning people with dual citizenships and the swimmer infobox -- 70.50.151.36 (talk) 08:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

USA Olympics swim team navboxes
Is anyone interested in creating the U.S. Olympic swim team navboxes for 1948, 1952, 1956, 1960 and 1964? We already have a navboxes for the 12 Olympiads from 1968 through 2012, but it would helpful for navigation and editing if we could go ahead and create them all. If you have the time, I can point in the right direction for USA Swimming sources, etc. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

swimming classifications
The template: swimming classifications template is missing classifications for swimming that are not para-swimming. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Classification to Disability Classification redirects
has been nominated for deletion, please see WP:RFD. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople
An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration
This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  18:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Inactive WikiProject?
I see that no-one has responded to a post on this page since January 2012, that's considerably more than a year. And I can see complaints here about lack of response that date from the middle of 2011 and talk of it being inactive in 2009. If this WikiProject is inactive, it'd help users if it's marked as such. --Dweller (talk) 11:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have marked the WikiProject as inactive. --Dweller (talk) 09:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Dweller, I can assure you that there a half dozen or more active WikiProject participants. For better or worse, most swimming-related discussion takes place on user and article talk pages, not here.  This project talk page remains a central clearing house for notices.  I have removed your "inactive template" from the top of the page.  Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Disability swimming
is under discussion, see the WP:RFD. Also, the use of has come up in the discussion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of articles
A number of swimming articles are nominated for deletion. Any members input will be appreciated. Philipmj24 (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Loincloth
Loincloth is listed as a swimming article, and it really has nothing to do with swimming. Kortoso (talk) 23:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki - Swimming - National Records
I noticed recently (last month) that on Wikipedia, someone (do not know who and would like to know) has started publishing (or updating) swimming national records (for maybe 50 countries).

This is right up my alley as I have kept track of such records for years. (Literally: I started in 1963).

(In some cases the records shown are not the very latest - or more exactly are ignoring records set many years earlier).

The precise point of this entry is as follows: There are about 6 countries whuch are mentioned in the overall index, yet pages are unreachable:

Vietnam Thailand

Monaco Montenegro Armenia Azerbaidjan

Would appreciate:

1- that these pointers get fixed (if the page does actually exist) 2- would hope to see more countries get listed 3- eventually might get in touch with someone in order to: a- issue some corrections b - add some records or countries.

I have not yet created a Wiki id for me.

64.229.130.15 (talk) 14:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC) christian berger 3 oct 2013 chberger@sympatico.ca

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Matthew Elliott
Dear swimming experts: This old abandoned Afc submission is soon to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable swimmer, and should the article be kept? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fabio Centeio
Here is a new swimming article that has been submitted at AfC. Would anyone like to help review it? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It has been declined. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Flag usage on sports articles
A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Bikini on peer review


Bikini, one of the oldest articles of this project has gone into a peer review here. It was created on Novemeber 1, 2001, One day after Japan. That was before Abraham Lincoln (Nov 4), France (Nov 4) and California (Nov 17) were created on Wikipedia. (courtesy: TonyTheTiger) It also is a highly viewed article. If you search for Bikini using google the first return is this article. Page visitation reached its highest in 2011, and the highest number of visitors come from India, Mexico and Spain.

A lot of work has gone into the article. It kept expanding and eventually three new spin-off articles were created - History of the bikini (a good article), Bikini in popular culture and Bikini variants. The popular culture article split its own spin-offs into Category:Individual bikinis. The variants article in turn split into specific articles for Monokini and Tankini. Work has gone into other related article as well, like Thong (clothing) and Bikini waxing.

The review is not a success because of low participation. Can you participate, please? Aditya (talk • contribs) 21:10, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Divers
Is there any way that we could show a divers competitive history any differently, maybe grouping by competitions, i.e. Olympics, Worlds, Continental, National. As they are becoming messy and hard to follow, for example Tom Daley's and its only going to get worse, as he still has many years ahead of him!

MCMXCsports (talk) 20:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Pierce
I'm unable to find anything in WP:NSPORT dealing with swimming. The absence of such criteria create a vacuum that is currently on display at Articles for deletion/Matthew Pierce, a deletion request directed at a swimmer who won an individual NCAA championship and a gold medal at the World University Games. Am I missing something? Has this project attempted to establish criteria for presumed notability? Cbl62 (talk) 18:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Cbl, there is no swimming specific guideline. The three notability guidelines that usually apply to swimmers are NCOLLATH, NOLYMPICS and GNG.  NSPORTS also includes the following general language in its basic criteria: "participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)."  That covers FINA world championship participants, and arguably participants in the Pan American Games, Commonwealth Games, and Pan-Pacific swimming championships.  Hope this helps.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

RfC: use of flag icons in sports articles
WP:Swimming members who have an opinion regarding the use of flag icons in sports articles may wish to comment in this ongoing discussion: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There is now a formal RfC on the Manual of Style/Icon talk page regarding the use of flag icons for athletes in international competiton: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment
There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Burl Reid - is he notable?
Is Burl Reid notable? Doesn't seem very notable, but I'm not well up on swimming notability. --Dweller (talk) 15:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Dweller, Burl Reid appears to be marginally notable, having won World University Games medals twice, and having participated in the finals of the world short-course championships in 2000. That having been said, however, there is no specific notability guideline for competition swimmers, and unless they are Olympic athletes (see WP:NOLYMPICS), swimmers must satisfy the general requirements of WP:Notability (sports) or the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG.  Both of the latter would require an analysis of whether the subject has received non-trivial, non-routine coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources.  The quickest way to get informed input is to nominate the article at AfD and let folks who are familiar with the applicable notability guidelines review the subject.  You should, of course, perform your own due diligence per WP:BEFORE prior to listing the article at AfD.  Hope this helps.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:6, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In the case of older, marginally notable athletes, check for Masters swimming involvement and World Masters records. Some swimmers are more notable for their Masters achievements then for their elite career. David Radcliff is one obvious example (though he meets WP:NOLYMPICS, as he swam the 1500m free in 1956). Sportygeek (talk) 01:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Felicia Lee
Hello, swimming enthusiasts. Here's an old AfC draft for your inspection. Is this a notable swimmer? Should this page be kept and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * My apologies for not responding sooner. There is no specific notability guideline for competition swimmers.  There are, however, several different alternatives for assessing the notability of swimmers.  Of course, they may satisfy the general notability guidelines with significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources per WP:GNG.  Olympic athletes are presumed to be notable per WP:NOLYMPICS.  Also, the basic criteria of WP:NSPORTS suggest that "that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)," and swimming medalists at the FINA World Championships have generally been accepted as notable under this clause.  For medalists at the Pan American Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan Pacific Championships, etc., it appears there has been more of an examination of their body of work.  Lee did participate in the 2014 Pan Pacs, but did not medal (finishing 9th in the 100-meter butterfly, which means she did not advance to the 8-swimmer event final).  For college swimmers, you may also want to see if they qualify under WP:NCOLLATH, the operative clause there being whether the subject has received a major national award, e.g., the Honda Sports Award for swimming and diving (which Felicia Lee did win in 2014 -- please note that every other Honda Award winner for swimming does have an article, but all of the others were either Olympians or had won medals in major international competitions).  Lee was also a two-time silver medalist at the World University Games, but the university games are generally not treated as a top-tier competition.  Bottom line: the best argument for Lee's notability appears to be the Honda Award under NCOLLATH.  Hope this helps.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, Dirtlawyer1. I have added a reference to that award to the article. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this article still hung up in AfC? If it has been moved to article space, I can't find it.  If it hasn't and you want to move it to article space, I would be willing to defend the subject's notability at AfD on the basis of the Honda Award, her NCAA titles, and her university games silver medals.  It's a well written article, but I would suggest you also explore resources such as the Stanford swimming media guide and athletics website -- her college text is a little light on references.  The Tracy Caulkins and Nicole Haislett articles provide good examples of sourced college swimming content -- and both were Honda Award winners (note the linked footnotes).  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello again, Dirtlawyer1. Thanks for your helpful advice. If you think it's ready to be moved, I will do it now. If not, however, I will have to leave it for someone with more (okay, any) sports expertise to improve. There are about 3,000 other G13 eligible submissions to be looked at this month, and I have this list of other pages to work on; I just don't have time to become an expert on swimming.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Understood, Anne. I appreciate what you've done to get it this far as someone who is not a regular editor of sports and swimming articles.  If you move it into article space, I'll make the edits I suggested above.  Thanks for your work in this area.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Please give me a coordinated head's up before you move the article -- I see that it's been previously deleted as a G4 recreation of an article deleted at AfD. I will want to make several quick edits that will support the subject's notability, and I would prefer to avoid the drama of some diligent admin performing another G4 deletion before I get to make the necessary changes.  Thanks.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it appears there was a deletion discussion five years ago, when she was about 17. I will await your ping before moving it. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do it, baby! I'm ready when you are, Anne.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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Swimming articles proposed for deletion at AfD
There are two swimming-related articles that have been proposed for deletion:


 * Articles for deletion/South Africa's Top Backstrokers; and
 * Articles for deletion/Paul Gordon (swimmer).

Because these articles are within the scope of WikiProject Swimming, your knowledgeable input regarding the notability and suitability of these topics for stand-alone Wikipedia articles is invited. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Swimming article proposed for deletion
Hoddesdon Swimming Club which dates to 1884. -Arb. (talk) 19:06, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes to the graphics for Template: Medal
There is a template talk page discussion regarding the graphics used for medalists in infobox medals tables occurring at Template talk:Medal. As this discussion is within the scope of WP:Swimming, you are invited to make your comments on the recent graphics changes there. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Swimming article proposed for deletion at AfD
The following article has been proposed for deletion at AfD:


 * Articles for deletion/Casey Hurrell-Zitelman

The input of knowledgeable editors is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Persondata has been officially deprecated
Persondata has been deprecated and the template and input data are subject to removal from all bio articles in the near future. For those editors who entered accurate data into the persondata templates of notable swimmers and other bio subjects, you are advised to manually transfer that data to Wikidata before the impending mass deletion occurs. Here are three examples of Wikidata for notable swimmers: Ryan Lochte, Mary Wayte and Dara Torres. If you have any more questions about the persondata removal, Wikidata, etc., please ping me. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Notability of swimmers/divers
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 16:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

AfD for Palauan swimmer
The following swimming-related article has been proposed for deletion:


 * Articles for deletion/Dirngulbai Misech

The participation of knowledgeable editors is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Arushee Wahi
Dear swimming experts: Here's an old draft about a young swimmer. She appears to have won a lot of competitions while in high school. Is this a notable subject?&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

New swimming records recognized?
Has FINA recognized new relay records for 4x50-meter events? An editor with whom I am not familiar has added these distances to the swimming records navbox:. Does anyone know anything about this? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's been almost a year now, and FINA has added several new WRs to their official list; the 4x100 m mixed freestyle and medley relays (long course only), and six 4x50 m relays (short course only), see FINA World Records. The 4x100 mixed freestyle and medley in short course are apparently not recognized by FINA (they are not part of the short course world championships either), although they are included in the introduction of List of world records in swimming. I'll adjust that. Gap9551 (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

High-priority new article project for Commonwealth Games medallists
Hey, y'all. We already have a nearly complete list of List of Commonwealth Games medallists in swimming (men), but we really need to add List of Commonwealth Games medallists in swimming (women) as a new article. The Commonwealth Games are one of the five most important regularly-held international swimming events, together with the Olympics, FINA world championships, Pan Pacific Championship, and Pan American Games; participation includes competitive swimmers from Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand, South Africa and the rest of the Commonwealth countries (former member nations of the British Empire).

Is someone willing to take this on as a personal project through completion? The Commonwealth Games men's medallists article can be used as a template, and there are several Commonwealth Games references linked on the main WP:SWIMMING page in the "Helpful online references" section for lists of medallists by individual events. This would be a good project for anyone with a couple days of time to work on it, and the motivation to see it through. I will be available to answer questions, provide help finding references, and provide general support. How about it, swimming fans? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there! The men's CG list is not yet complete though, if that's what you meant. And I'd say the European Aquatics Championships and the Asian Games are at roughly on the same level of importance as the Commonwealth Games and Pan Pacifics, with the Pan American Games a level below those four (the US typically sends a B-team these days if I'm not mistaken). The Olympics and World Aquatics Championships are at higher levels than all regional competitions. I suggest that after the Commonwealth Games articles are finished, we also start list articles for the Pan Pacs and Asian Games, in that order. A list for Pan Ams already exists so we don't need to assess its relative importance. Lists for the European Championships also exist (I made those back in 2011.) As for your question, I'm not in a position to create a whole article in a short amount of time but can contribute over longer timescales. Gap9551 (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Talking about Pan Ams, shall we split Swimming at the Pan American Games into a men's and women's article, named List of Pan American Games medalists in swimming (men) and List of Pan American Games medalists in swimming (women), following the naming and structure conventions of the other list articles in Category:Lists of swimming medalists? Gap9551 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Finally, there is no list yet for the discontinued FINA World Open Water Swimming Championships, a relatively small number of medalists. Maybe we should include them in List of World Aquatics Championships medalists in open water swimming, despite the "World Aquatics Championships" in its title. Gap9551 (talk) 21:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * From 1951 until at least the 1980s, the Pan American Games were the second-most important international championships for Americans, Canadians, Brazilians and any other New World country that was serious about competitive swimming. From the 1950s through the 1980s, the Americans and Canadians sent their best available swimmers to the Pan Am Games, new world records were not uncommon, and most of the Pan Am swimmers turned up on national Olympic teams in later years.  With the advent of the FINA world championships, the importance of the Pan Am Games to swimming has gradually declined, especially with the FINA championships now being held every year, alternating between 25- and 50-meter competitions, since 2001.  In comparison, the Commonwealth Games seem to get more attention from their participating national swim teams these days, not least because second-tier swimming powers (really, everyone other than Australia) get to perform on a larger stage and win medals with greater frequency than they do at the Olympics or FINA championships.  Within the former Empire, the games also have an important political purpose of reinforcing the political, economic and cultural bonds of the Commonwealth countries.  Given the presence of the Americans, Australians, Canadians, Chinese and Japanese, you can make an argument that the level of competition is at least as good at the Pan Pacific Championships, but again, they've been overshadowed by the now-annual FINA contests.


 * Back to the point, yes, the 2006, 2010 and 2014 medallists (note my use of Commonwealth spelling here!) still need to be added for several events to the men's list of Commonwealth Games swimming medallists. Given that article provides a ready-made template for a companion women's list, I would suggest that the next new article project is List of Commonwealth Games medallists in swimming (women).  If we split the Pan Am Games list into men and women, I would like to use a common format for the Olympics, Commonwealth Games and Pan Am Games.  In the mean time, the Pan Am Games have four fewer iterations than the British Empire/Commonwealth Games, and it's a somewhat more manageably sized combined men's-women's list for now.


 * Not sure what to do with FINA World Open Water Swimming Championships; I'll need to study the existing FINA framework more. The importance of the Asian Games is relatively recent, what with the Chinese becoming fully engaged participants over the last 30 or so years.  The history of the Asian Games was kind of a low-rent affair for much of their early existence, with various financial crises and changed locations, etc.; their importance to world swimming for most of their existence, however, was fairly minimal.  Obviously, that's changed.


 * Bottom line, let's see if we can finish out the Commonwealth Games men's list over the next couple weeks. Then we can can copy it, remove the men's names, and use the shell for the quick creation of the new women's list in a fill-in-the-blanks exercise.  If anything, the women's list should be somewhat shorter because the women's longer distances were restricted in the earlier years.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the swimming history lesson. I figured the Pan Ams used to be more important in the past than they are today, but didn't know to what extent. Pan Pacs possibly have a stronger field than CG today (it would be interesting to do a quantitative analysis of winning times, or times required to make the final, for all competitions throughout their histories to compare their respective levels and the relative changes therein) but it has far less history, and as you point out, less attention/importance outside the swimming community.
 * I certainly agree the CG women's list should be done next. After that probably the Pan Pacs. If we keep a combined Pan Ams list for men and women, maybe we should still change the title to List of Pan American Games medalists in swimming, so it's easier to recognize from the title what its purpose is? Also, the Pan Pacs have had 5 fewer editions than the Pan Pams, so that suggests that a single list would be appropriate. Gap9551 (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree on all points in your post immediately above. In fact, I see no reason for you not to move the Pam Am Games list to the name you suggest above -- which is consistent with other swimming medalists lists, as well as the standard Wikipedia naming practices for lists.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok I moved the page. I noticed though that Template:International swimming (and many other articles) links to Swimming at the Pan American Games in a similar way as it links to e.g. Swimming at the Summer Olympics. That is, it is not aiming to link to just the list of medalists but rather to general information about swimming at the Pan Ams. Therefore I made Swimming at the Pan American Games into a new article containing its all-time swimming medal table by country and the link to championships records, rather than just a redirect to the medalists article. Later we should add the swimming event program too. Gap9551 (talk) 23:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

History of swimwear
I have started the article. Please, check and advice. Aditya (talk • contribs) 04:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Nuala Moore
Can someone assess Draft:Nuala Moore for notability? Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Categorization of swimmers
Hi all, it appears that many swimmers in Category:Olympic swimmers of Australia are not in Category:Australian female swimmers or Category:Australian male swimmers (whichever applies of the latter two). Especially men almost never seem to be in both applicable categories. But many women are. Since neither category is a parent of the other, normally we should put swimmers in each applicable category. This is what seems to have been done for e.g. American and Dutch swimmers. Chinese swimmers are somewhere in between (Category:Olympic swimmers of China has 158 pages, whereas Category:Chinese female swimmers and Category:Chinese male swimmers combine for 78 pages). My question is, do we have a guideline to keep Olympic swimmers out of the male/female categories (that someone followed for the Australian male swimmers), or is this simply an inconsistency that has to be fixed? Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 23:22, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Gap, I think the subject swimmers are supposed to be in both categories, as applicable. "Olympic swimmers of Australia" and "Australian female swimmers" are overlapping, and certainly not exclusive, nor identical.  IMHO, our present category organization for Olympic athletes is less than ideal, with numerous overlapping cats, but I have not seen a better solution yet.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Liam Tancock
Would one of you kind people mind giving Liam Tancock a quick look over. I've noticed some discrepancies in the number of Commonwealth medals he's won and the number the article says he's won and I am trying to fix it, but I don't know enough about the World Championships to double-check that info and the part of the medal table for those events. Thanks. Red Fiona (talk) 03:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, Red. I checked all 10 CG medals listed in the infobox medals; all are legitimate according to our Wikipedia articles for the individual CG swimming events.  Please note that he won a bronze medal at the 2010 CGs for a third-place tie in the 100-metre backstroke, and a gold in the medley relay for swimming in the preliminary heats for the winning English team; those might cause some confusion.  If you're trying to improve the sourcing for the article, there are several Commonwealth Games references listed on the WP:SWIMMING main page.  If you need more, I can help you find them.  Please let me know.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:48, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it was the 4 x events that had caused the previous problem as the version before my edits had listed his 2014 bronzes but not the gold. I was worried something similar might have happened with the World Championship events.Red Fiona (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sometimes the medals for swimmers in the preliminary heats of the relays causes some confusion, and also presents some problem for sourcing. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Meet locations in section headers (biographic articles)
I have a little disagreement with another editor in the article Park Tae-hwan. They want to add the cities and countries where meets took place to the header of each meet section (see e.g. this edit). I don't think that looks good as the headers become too long and location is not of primary importance. I suggested to add those locations to the paragraph text instead. To avoid an edit war and because it may concern other bio's too, I bring the issue up here to ask for your opinion. Note that well-developed swimming bio articles such as Michael Phelps and Ian Thorpe do not have locations in section headers, and Manual of Style/Layout, subsection 'Names and orders for section headings' says The usual practice is to name and order sections based on the precedent of some article which seems similar. Gap9551 (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Good question, Gap. Here's my take: if we are including the year and name of a championship event in the article subheaders, it is unnecessary and undesirable to include the event's geographic location (city, country, etc.).  Article section headers should not be any longer than necessary to provide logical, reasonably self-explanatory section captions.  As a general rule, shorter subheaders are usually better.


 * Moreover, I would suggest that a similar rule should also apply to linking championship event locations in article text; per WP:OVERLINK, it is not necessary to link both the event and the city/country that hosted the event, e.g., 2012 Summer Olympics in London, NOT 2012 Summer Olympics in London. A big part of the art of wiki-linking is to emphasize the most important links that are most closely related to the article subject, not to link to every possible article found in the text.  When we link to everything, the most important links are often lost in the stew.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I'm South Korean and currently editing Taehwan Park category. I think by putting location in the title, it makes viewers more clear where the tournament was held and easier to see Taehwan Park's accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanatic32 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "Brevity is the soul of wit." William Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 2, scene 2.  More is not always better.  Your readers will understand Taehwan Park's accomplishments perfectly well with or without the event locations in the subheaders.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

What I did was putting accurate information, so that viewers can easily see where the tournament was held without looking at the description. However, if one of you guys wish to edit this, please feel free to do so. There are some tournaments that don't contain description, so you might need to put the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanatic32 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Your information is absolutely accurate, but not in the optimal place. If the location is not mentioned, it is because the section has not been well developed. Some sections only have a medal table. When someone decides to write these sections (maybe you'd like to do that?), details about the tournament can be added, including locations. You can look at the articles of other famous swimmers for examples, such as the two I listed above. Gap9551 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As a sidenote: to sign your comments (have your name and the date and time added at the end), at the end simply type four tildes (~), like this: . Gap9551 (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Country codes
Do we have a policy for which 3-letter country code to use? Several countries have two different codes. For example, the IOC uses NED for the Netherlands, but the ISO code is NLD. See Comparison of IOC, FIFA, and ISO 3166 country codes. These codes also differ for Germany, Indonesia, Bulgaria, Chile, Portugal, Costa Rica, Denmark, and more. Templates such as 🇳🇱 Name (NLD) take either (except BRN). In articles related to the Olympics it seems obvious to use IOC codes. But what about lists such as List of World Aquatics Championships medalists in swimming (women) or 2015 European Short Course Swimming Championships? I have the impression that they tend to use the IOC codes, but do we have a guideline? Gap9551 (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Olympic-size swimming pool
I'm a bit confused about the scope of this article. It appears to be about pools that are actually used in the Olympics (such as 25 meter width). I had always assumed, maybe incorrectly, that the article was about 50-meter pools in general. I assumed that because Long course redirects to this article, and has done so ever since its creation almost 9 years ago. If the Olympic-size swimming pool article is really just about Olympic pools, and since many 50-meter pools are narrower (e.g. 25 yard), we may need a separate long course article, just like we have a Short course article. We can also add a subsection about non-Olympic 50-meter pools in the Olympic-size swimming pool article. Gap9551 (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Diving
Hi, sorry to bother you because I know this is the Swimming project not the diving project but with the world championships being combined you are my best hope. Do you think it would be possible/appropriate to use the swimmer infobox as a template for a diver? Red Fiona (talk) 22:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, you have come to the right place, this wikiproject is also for diving (and synchronized swimming and water polo). I think that Template:Infobox swimmer is intended specifically for swimmers though, as the description says so. I checked several recent Olympic gold medalist divers, and they all use Template:Infobox sportsperson. Gap9551 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll use that then :) Red Fiona (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Error in Records for Quatar
1- The Quatari Records for Women SC seem to contain 4 records by 2 swimmers who seem to be male. Rather masculine-sounding first names, plus they are shown up as male record holders. Noah Al-Khulaifi and Walid Dalloul.

I would suppose these 4 records should be erased from the women side.

2- General notice to nearly all national records. I seem to be aware of many records not shown in many Natl Records pages. Mostly records set in the 2000-2015 period (some older)m not shown as valid Natl Records.

cberger99 email chberger at sympatico.ca Cberger99 (talk) 14:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Request for input in a discussion about a biographical article title
Hi, a two-editor discussion on Talk:Mie Østergaard Nielsen is stuck and could benefit from additional input. Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 22:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes
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List of fatal shark attacks in California
I am wondering if someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at List of fatal shark attacks in California and assessing it. There seems to be a lot of detail provided about some of these attacks which might be taking things a bit too far, but I am not sure if that is common for these types of articles. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

List of Commonwealth records in swimming and nationality of British swimmers
A minor dispute has erupted between me User:Montell 74 on the correct nationality to list for those athletes from the Home Nations, specifically in those events where the record was set representing Great Britain i.e. not at the Commonwealth Games. These are distinct from the records set at the Commonwealth Games, where it would be perfectly appropriate to list swimmers by the team they specifically represented. However I'd argue that to list Adam Peaty, as an example, as English when he was specifically representing the United Kingdom in an Olympics in which the country competes as a whole rather than its constituent parts is erroneous. Also, several of the swimmers he insists as listing as English aren't English anyway. I'm not a member of the project or particularly an expert on swimming-related articles, so would anybody mind weighing in on the matter. I don't know if there's a policy consensus to actually list Home Nations swimmers as such, in which case fair enough, but the majority of swimming articles I've browsed tend to list GB swimmers by their legal nationality, apart from in a Commonwealth Games context. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 11:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Cleveland Pools & categories
Folliwing some expansion to the article Cleveland Pools I have added the banner on the talk page for this project but wasn't sure what to put for importance? It is currently in Category:Defunct lidos but is likely to reopen for public swimming in about 18 months (having got most of the funding needed), so could someone suggest how it should be categorised?&mdash; Rod talk 20:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Should water polo or Synchronised swimming be inculded?
Should information regarding Synchronised swimming and Water Polo be included regarding Swimming in the United States. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

16,000 BLPs moving out of mainspace
Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.

So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.

This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 11:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Notice about adminship to participants at this project
Many participants here create a lot of content, may have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:


 * Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

SwimSwam notability
New editor and (so far) WP:SPA appeared at 15:23, 17 April 2017 and has introduced a slew of edits around SwimSwam awards and created the SwimSwam article. That article was AfD on 18:01, 17 April 2017. No implication is intended towards the actions of editor(s), but request the project assist in determining notability of both the namesake and these awards, re whether they merit inclusion in athlete articles. Outcome probably relates to the AfD discussion. UW Dawgs (talk) 03:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report
We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, will post at /Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of. We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:
 * The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
 * The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
 * The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

We're grateful to for his original, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

2007 Pan American Games Results
Hi, I was trying to improve Lara Teixeira and have run into a problem with the 2007 Pan American Games synchronised swimming results. Unfortunately, the results don't state whether she was competing in the duets or teams (both of which won medals). Unfortunately the website is a deadlink and the results don't seem to be on the wayback machine archive. Google has also failed me. Does anyone know of any other resource that might give the results? Red Fiona (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Simone Manuel
Hello! There is currently a dispute at Simone Manuel, an article under this WikiProject's scope, regarding the statement that Manuel is the first black woman to win a swimming gold in an individual event and whether or not Ranomi Kromowidjojo's racial background renders this statement incorrect for Manuel. Other editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simone Manuel ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  22:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Jasmine Stiles AfD
There is currently a deletion discussion regarding swimmer Jasmine Stiles which would benefit from input of editors interested in this project. Please see Articles for deletion/Jasmine Stiles for more.

In the process of reviewing this I also came across the article Masters swimming, which is a mess and could use someone from this project to go over it.

Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS
Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack &#124; talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Abbreviation/Acronym in swimming article
Hi, do any of you have any idea what SCY might mean when it's in a swimming article, e.g. Adam_Brown_(swimmer)? Red Fiona (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, it means "short course yards", a 25 yard pool length often installed in the U.S., where SCM (short course meters) pools are rare. Gap9551 (talk) 23:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

New expert attention category
This is a notice about Category:Swimming articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. There might be as few as one page in the category, or zero if someone has removed the expert request tag from the page. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 01:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  11:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

WP:RM discussion at Talk:Diving
A move discussion at Talk:Diving regarding the re-naming or re-purposing of that page may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 02:35, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot Beta
Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

TFD notification
Only WP:CFB was notified. I think all relevant sports should participate in this discussion at Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 4.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Two month virtual editathon on Women in Sports
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women swimmers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 07:29, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Discord
Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Categories for female swimmers
I wanted to know if anybody is working on categorising female swimmers i.e. female backstroke swimmers, female breaststroke swimmers, female freestyle swimmers and female medley swimmers, into individual country categories e.g. Australian backstroke swimmers because I've noticed that there are only two categories which are American and Canadian. If there is someone who is doing this then I am more than happy to help and vice versa as there are a lot of swimmers under those categories.

Also, I was thinking of categorising the Paralympic swimmers too e.g. Paralympic backstroke swimmers, Paralympic breaststroke swimmers, Paralympic freestyle swimmers and Paralympic medley swimmers. I don't want to go into too much detail for classifying them into their sport categories as it could be quite complicating especially if the swimmer competes in two different classes or has changed sport classes.

SarahTHunter (talk) 15:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello again, I've made a head start on categorising female swimmers - if anybody has time to put swimmers into the categories then that would be great as there are lots of female swimmers to put into the corresponding categories. SarahTHunter (talk) 16:09, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Artem Lobuzov
Hi all, just a head's up. I've tried to fix Artem Lobuzov, but it will need a more thorough update. Red Fiona (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

University logos in the infobox?
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red hosting Olympics and Paralympics
Greetings from WP:WikiProject Women in Red! Starting 1 July, we’re going to have a three-month focus (July, August and September) on the women of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. Your participants are warmly welcomed to join us for the event, documenting as many women as possible; additionally if you have relevant lists of red links that we should encourage participants to take up, we’d love to know. Thanks very much!--Ipigott (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Cannabis and sports
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Israli paralympic female competitor Michal Escapa (IPC profile) is also a swimmer?
How many chances are there that another woman named Escapa has always competed in Tokyo 1964 but for Italy and winning two medals in swimming? --Kasper2006 (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Categorization of swimming
Swimming was previously categorized under bathing, which itself was categorized under Leisure Activities. I changed the category directly to leisure activities, since swimming is generally defined by propulsion of an organism through the water, while bathing focuses more on washing and hygiene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysaywho7 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Stefan Mitrović
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stefan Mitrović that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 17:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed changes to NSPORTS at Village Pump
Your input, one way or the other, on several pending proposals to alter NSPORTS would be welcomed. These proposals are as follows:
 * Subproposal 1: Requires "all athlete biographies must demonstrate GNG when notability is challenged at AfD" and that "SIGCOV in multiple secondary, independent reliable sources would have to be produced during the course of an AfD". Also potential limitations/exceptions.
 * Subproposal 3: "Remove all simple or mere 'participation' criteria in NSPORT, outside of ones related to Olympics and equivalent events."
 * Subproposal 4: "Modify all provisions of NSPORTS that provide that participation in 'one' game/match such that the minimum participation level is increased to 'three' games/matches. This raises the threshold for the presumption of notability to kick in."
 * Subproposal 5: "Implement a requirement that all sports biographies and sports season/team articles must, from inception, include at least one example of actual WP:SIGCOV from a reliable, independent source. Mere database entries would be insufficient for creation of a new biography article."
 * Subproposal 6: "Conditional on Subproposal 6 passing, should a prod-variant be created, applicable to the articles covered by Subproposal 5, that would require the addition of one reference containing significant coverage to challenge the notice."
 * Subproposal 8: "Rewrite the introduction to clearly state that GNG is the applicable guideline, and articles may not be created or kept unless they meet GNG." Further: "Replace all instances of 'presumed to be notable' with 'significant coverage is likely to exist.'
 * Subproposal 9: Strike, as allegedly confusing and/or at odds with other parts of NSPORTS, the following sentence from the lead: "The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below."
 * Subproposal 10: "Require each project that has inclusion criteria based on participation in a league ... within the next 30 days to justify the inclusion of each league. Such justification must include actual 'random' (truly random) sampling showing that 90%-plus of the players in each league receive sufficient SIGCOV to pass GNG. At the end of 30 days, any league as to which the data has not been provided must be stricken from NSPORTS." Cbl62 (talk) 09:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Lilian Staugaard at AfD
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:APPNOTE - "The talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects" and "the user can always find out more by clicking on the link to the discussion".

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

AfD for West London Penguin Water Polo and Swimming Club
Here is an AfD discussion for West London Penguin Swimming and Water Polo Club which may be of interest to this WikiProject:

Articles for deletion/West London Penguin Swimming and Water Polo Club

Cielquiparle (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Kelly Hecking
Could use some help finding independent sources for Kelly Hecking.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Here's a clipping from The Record in 2000. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Artistic swimming at the 2014 Asian Games
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Artistic swimming at the 2014 Asian Games that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 20:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Record help
I am trying to determine when Emma Reaney's ACC record 200y IM time (1:54.92) was beaten. I was hoping someone had a subscription to the MeetMobile app or some other way to check some times for me. Reaney set the ACC record in the 2014 ACC championship. By December 2, 2016 UVA's Kaitlyn Jones had posted a 1:54.05. I am wondering when and by whom Reaney's record was broken. I would like to see (2015 & 2016) ACC Championship meet results which would show the ACC record at the time of the meet. I know her ACC Championships record stood until 2017 when Alexia Zevnik broke it, but the conference record fell earier.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Semifinals (swimming)
Hi! Don't you think we should have 1 wikitable for semis just like for heats. a random article. The sources used also have only 1 table, which makes it more clear who advanced with time. It would probably also avoid such mistakes as currently in Singapore article: While it should be --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, never thought about that but not a bad idea. Just went on with how it was done the last few editions. Kante4 (talk) 14:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Used it today, let's see if someone disagrees. Kante4 (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Medals in the infobox
After seeing Olivia Smoliga's infobox with NCAA championships, I added that content to Emma Reaney's infobox. I have also been working on Kelly Hecking's article. I am wondering if I could put YMCA Nationals (SC & LC) in the medals in the infobox. Hecking has 3 career 1sts (LC), 4 2nds (SC) and 2 3rds (SC). I posted at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports, but no response.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I got no response here. I did get a response at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Infoboxes, so if you have further comments, comment there.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

American Public High School 100 meter (sc) backstroke record owned by New Jersey?
While fleshing out the modestly/marginally notable Kelly Hecking, I decided I might as well create an article for slightly less notable Tashy Bohm, who by my estimation is a bit of a rival for her. In so doing, I came across a set of sourced facts which point me to an oddity. It seems like for the last 40 plus years New Jersey high schoolers have passed around the American Public High School 100 meter short course backstroke record. I don't usually follow swimming much outside of the Olympics. As I understand the sport there are basically four records for every length. There is short course/long course and meters/yards for every event. Short course is 25 meters or yards and long course is 50. Sources have presented facts that the 1980 American Public High School 100 meter (sc) backstroke record was held from 1980 to 1997 by New Jersian Lisa Iori, This was broken in 1997 by New Jersian Jennelle Ritchie at the beginning of 1997. Then New Jersian Hecking broke it unofficially before New Jersian Bohm broke it officially in February 1997. THen New Jersian Lauren English broke it again in 2004. My perception is that of the four combinations (LCm, LCy, SCm and SCy), it must be rare for puclic high schoolers to have official meets in SCm forums. New Jersey must be one of the few states that contests SCm. Otherwise, I need an explanation of why NJ owns this record. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal related to featuring this sport at Wikipedia:In the news
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news § Remove ITN/R: Sports cleanup. &#x0020; Currently one or more of this sport's events are listed at In the news/Recurring items, meaning that they have been judged significant enough that, if nominated, they will always be posted to the In the news section of the main page (subject to article quality being sufficient). However a proposal has been made to remove some that not been nominated recently from that list. If the proposal is successful, the event(s) may still be nominated but the nomination will debate the significance of the event as well as article quality. The event(s) relevant to this sport are: FINA World Aquatics Championships. To avoid splitting discussion, please leave your comments in at the linked discussion rather than here. Thryduulf (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Singular vs plural of distance units in swimming races
I have started a discussion about the usage of plural or singular units for distances of swimming events (ie 100 metres vs 100 metre freestyle) and invite others for their input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Mass draftification proposal on Olympians
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Jessica Hardy
Jessica Hardy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Weights of swimmers in infobox
I am proposing that weight be eliminated for swimmers in their infobox. More and more swimmers, primarily women, are speaking about their battles with weight issues and mental health. As a result, many national organizations such as USA Swimming and Swimming Canada no long post weights for swimmers on their profiles. This extends to the United States and Canadian Olympic committees which also no longer post weights. Given that weights are really not that significant in swimming compared to combat sports like boxing or tae kwon do, I think it is time to remove these weight categories. We no longer have reliable weight information from the primary sources and a persons weight can fluctuate a lot. If a swimmer sees their weight on Wikipedia posted from a time that is no longer achievable for them, this can cause considerable mental anguish.

Since we no longer have great sources and the potential to cause mental health issues and eating disorders, it is probably time to remove these from profiles, particularly female swimmers. What do others think?  Words in the Wind  (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * It seems that US and Canadian swimmers weights are becoming unsourced and can be removed. But there are over 200 countries in the world. Most sportsperson's infoboxes have the weight paramater, but it's never mandatory (all info in Wikipedia should be properly sourced anyway). No reason to remove the parameter from infobox, if it's public - we can publish it. This goes for all sports. Wikipedia is not censored. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Lia Thomas has an RFC
Lia Thomas, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Beccaynr (talk) 21:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Opinions requested
More opinions are requested at over how to tally some medals. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

==Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports § Suggestion: Changing "Achievements and titles" order in Template:Infobox sportsperson== You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports § Suggestion: Changing "Achievements and titles" order in Template:Infobox sportsperson. &#x0020;This invitation comes as this WikiProject's Infobox swimmer is a wrapper of Infobox sportsperson. CLalgo (talk) 10:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)