Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Systems

Is this.. uh, a real field of study?
I can very few references to "systems science" that don't either link back to wikipedia or refer to an "emerging" field of study that seems very poorly defined and only refers to the most abstract generalities.

All of the articles directly related to "systems science" recycle the same few pictures and explanations, and this at best seems to be a marginal interdisciplinary field within a few universities that lack broader recognition. I'm skeptical that the topic this wikiproject purports to cover actually exists as a coherent academic discipline. Is this just a WP:FRANKENSTEIN project that got thrown on everything that could be though of as a "system" or is there more to it? &#32;- car chasm (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * As I have received no answer, I am marking the project as inactive and marking dubious pages for deletion as appropriate. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 00:53, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See Warnock's dilemma. I personally did not respond because I am a professional in this field and couldn't be bothered to answer your uninformed assertions. Please list the pages that you propose to delete and I'll be happy to review them. ~Kvng (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Systems would be a good start. I'm aware that Systems engineering is a real field of study, and Systems biology, Complex systems theory, etc. but Systems as a "interdisciplinary" field of study appears to be an example of this, with the additional complication that outside of wikipedia and some WP:FRINGE sources that seem to be pushing some mystical form of "holism" there's no discussion of it at all. "System" itself is a very general and abstract word, I'm thoroughly unconvinced that the fact that two fields of study or concepts both use this word implies in any way that they're related. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you propose to do about it. ~Kvng (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You asked me to list pages I intended to propose for deletion. I have now done so. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Carchasm where is the list? ~Kvng (talk) 12:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * From a quick search, universities with a department or degree program that has "Systems Science" in its name (not counting constructions like "Health Systems Science" or "Earth Systems Science") include WUSTL, SUNY Binghamton, Portland State, Penn, and Osaka. There are also smaller research centers with similar names at Hull and Johns Hopkins. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * On a more general point, a WikiProject is a group of people, and people are allowed to VOLUNTEER for whatever they want. A "WikiProject Articles Starting with the Letter E that were created on Mondays" would be silly but 'legal' under our rules. We don't even have a rule that says the name has to be related to the subject area.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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