Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Systems/List of systems engineering books

The first start
Please think about this a little more--such lists have been uniformly deleted unless they have an explicit criterion for inclusion, and they are non-discriminate--you can not list all the books. For the sort of thing you have in mind, please see: List of important publications in chemistry. DGG (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That list is an interesting example and maybe we can also make such a list of important publications in systems engineering. What we got here is an overview and this is for the common wikipedia reader maybe to hard to handel. or just not interested enough. Now this list does remain is of value for the WikiProject Systems and WikiProject Systems Engineering Initiative. Maybe it is a good idea to move this article and make it an project-article. - Mdd 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I moved the article for the reasons mentioned - Mdd 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Booktitles removed from the list
The following section gives an overview of the removed booktitles and the reasons:


 * 1) Because the term "Systems" and "Engineering" were missing in the booktitle, and it has no reference to Griffith:

All the moved booktitles are grouped by subject:
 * About systems
 * 1971, C. West Churchman, The Design of Inquiring Systems.
 * 1973: K. B. De Greene, Socialtechnical Systems: Factors in Analysis, Design, and Management, Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall.
 * 1975: A. Horanessian, Research and development of a large-scale electronic system, IEEE Trans. Eng. Manag., vol. EM-22, pp. 94-101, Aug. 1975. (On the research and development phase of system development in terms of methodology, system design concepts, cost effectiveness, and customer acceptance).).
 * 1977, A.P. Sage, Methodology for Large-scale Systems.
 * 1978, James Grier Miller, Living Systems.
 * 1980, N.H. McClamroch, State Models of Dynamical Systems.
 * 1983, Geoffrey Vickers, Human Systems Are Different.
 * 1986, A. Pages & M. Gondran, System Reliability: Evaluation and Prediction in Engineering.


 * About systems analysis
 * 1970, A.M. Lee, Systems Analysis Frameworks.
 * 1971, R. de Neufville & J.H. Stafford, Systems Analysis for Engineers and Managers.
 * 1973, S.L. Optner, Systems Analysis.
 * 1984 S.M. McMenamin & J.F. Palmer, Essential Systems Analysis.


 * About systems approach
 * 1967: G.M. Jenkins, The systems approach, J. Syst. Eng., vol. I, pp. 3-49, 1969. (discusses the philosophy underlying a systems approach to the solution of problems. Three questions are answered: "What is systems engineering?" "What is a systems engineer?" and "How does a systems engineer go about solving any problem?")
 * 1968, C. West Churchman, The Systems Approach.
 * 1982, T.H. Athey, Systematic Systems Approach: An Integrated Method for Solving Systems Problems.


 * About systems architecture
 * 1989, D.N. Chorafas, Systems Architecture and Systems Design.


 * About systems concept
 * 1971, R.F. Miles, Systems Concepts.
 * 1982: Pellegrinetti, Examining the System concept-A professional's viewpoint, in: Specifying Eng., pp. 82-83, Feb. 1982, pp. 136-139, May 1982. (Essay on systems concepts, less formal than other sources, but providing valuable insights into the syst em engineering process. These insights are all the more cogent as they come from a viewpoint outside of academia or the aerospace industry).
 * About systems design
 * 1965: R. Bogusla. The New Utopians: A Study in Systems Design and Social Change. Englewood Cliffs, NJ:Prentice-Hall, 1965.
 * 1967, G. Nadler, Work Systems Design: The IDEALS Concept.
 * 1976, H. Katzan, Systems Design and Documentation.
 * 1981, G.L. Glegg, The Development of Design.
 * 1982, B.S. Dhillon, Reliability Engineering in Systems Design and Operation.
 * 1984, W. Gasparski, Understanding Design: The Praxiological-Systemic Perspective.
 * 1987, W.B. Rouse & K.R. Boff, System Design: Behavioral Perspectives on Designers, Tools, and Organizations.
 * 1987: A. Wayne Wymore, A Mathematical Theory of System Design. Tucson, AZ:SANDS, draft, May 1987
 * 1988, D.A. Norman, The Design of Everyday Things.


 * About systems management
 * 1979, J.S. Baumgartner, Systems Management
 * 1984: V. J. Hajek, Management of Engineering Projects (3rd ed.). New York:McGraw Hill, 1984.
 * 1985: G. S. Handler, G. Hammerle and W. Rucker, Navy Program Manager's Guide. Washington, D.C.:Naval Material Command, 1985.


 * About systems science
 * 1988, R.L. Flood & E.R. Carson, Dealing with Complexity, an Introduction to the Theory and Application of Systems Science.


 * About systems specification
 * 1988: D. J. Hatley and I. M. Pirbhai, Strategies for Real-Time System Specification, New York:Dorset House, 1988.


 * About systems testing
 * 1988, W.E. Perry, A Structured Approach to Systems Testing.


 * About systems theory
 * 1965, M.D. Mesarovic & Y. Takahara, General Systems Theory: Mathematical Foundations.
 * 1974, L. Padulo & M. Arbib, System Theory: A Unified State-Space Approach to Continuous and Discrete Systems.
 * 1977, P. Faurre & M. Depeyrot, M. Elements of System Theory.
 * 1978, J.P. Van Gigch, Applied General Systems Theory.


 * About systems thinking
 * 1981, Peter Checkland, Systems Thinking, Systems Practice.
 * Other subjects close related but to specific
 * 1960, J.L. Jerger, Systems Preliminary Design, Principles of Guided Missile Design.
 * 1985, George Klir, Architecture of Systems Problem Solving.
 * 1987, D. Cooper & C. Chapman, Risk Analysis for Large Projects: Models, Methods and Cases.
 * 1988, E.G. Frankel, Systems Reliability and Risk Analysis.
 * 1989, Defense Systems Management College, Risk Management: Concepts and Guidance.
 * 1989, B.S. Dhillon, Life Cycle Costing.
 * 1989, J.V. Michaels & W.P. Wood, Design to Cost.

IEEE Std 1220 as a book

 * ''The introduction here is copied from Talk:Systems engineering

Hope you can accept IEEE Std 1220 as a "book." BTW and FWIW, ... -- Iterator12n  Talk 19:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As you can see I have started making the list more exclusive, by inventing some criteria to do so. Hereby I removed all the books with the term "Systems" and "Engineering" missing in the booktitle. I haven't yet made up my mind about more criterea, and it would be nice to discuss this. So thanks for bringing uo this question, because it gives us some things to talk about.
 * The problem is that a don't know that IEEE Std 1220? Isn't it a book? - Mdd 11:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

As always, raising the question is the first step in answering your own question. Have now done some research and think I have an answer. Raised the question originally because I happen to own IEEE 1220 in PDF form and because I was wondering whether a PDF qualifies as a "book." I have now found out that you can also order here a paper-back version of the standard, the ISBN number is 0-7381-4691-9. For the sake of completeness, the ISBN number of the PDF version is 0-7381-4692-7. HTH. (Regarding the remaining, definitional question of What is a book, I propose one necessary & sufficient criterion: A (recent) book is something with an ISBN number.) -- Iterator12n   Talk 14:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)