Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taoism/Archive 2

WikiProject Religion
The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bill. I'll join the Wikiproject Religion but don't know how active I can be.Itsmejudith 15:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Celestial Masters
I wrote this article (Way of the Celestial Masters) and have recently had a problem with someone else who changed the name to Tianshi School, which I don't think is a good name for the article. I really would like people to respond to this debate, which last time only had three votes. I've restarted the change process because I believe there need to be more votes to gather a consensus, and because since then, I believe my argument in favor of the name 'Way of the Celestial Masters' has been clarified. If you can, please read what I have written (the long section), and take into particular account the google numbers, as well as Wikipedia's naming policy. Then vote! All this is at Talk:Tianshi School. Thanks.Zeus1234 00:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Omnipotence
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for an announcement, but I did not find a Taoism-related articles noticeboard. I have been trying to put in other (hinduist, toaist, buddhist) views into now mostly western (christian) articles about religious concepts. I have learned about taoism by means of self-study and know to little of taoist literature to make good references. So my edits are rediculed and erased, leaving one sided western view articles. One of these articles is Omnipotence. Would somebody be so kind in checking the taoist views i wrote to be correct, elaborate them and add useful references? Thanks in advance Teardrop onthefire 08:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure this is a good place for your request. I'm in a similar position to you so I won't be able to help much. You could also leave a message at WikiProject Religion.Itsmejudith 11:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A message has been left there. Badbilltucker 14:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is indeed a good place for such a request. If you don't have access to academic sources, I would suggest you search google books, which has many very good academic books about Taoism. You do a search for whatever you need, and then reference the results that come back. Of course Google books is limited, but it is better than nothing. I would be happy to look over your writing though.Zeus1234 14:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Assistance in building articles
I would really appreciate any help that could be offered on the following articles. Don't be shy about diving into the edits. If there's a disagreement, we can always work it out. Be bold!!! Thanks ahead of time for any help!! Vassyana 13:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Taoic religion --- expanded from stub, needs more work, especially filling out sections in editor notes and referencing claims
 * Mantak Chia --- expanded from stub, needs more work, especially his teachings, criticisms against him and needs more sources
 * Internal alchemy --- created from scratch, needs more work, suggestions for how to expand this article appreciated


 * I don't know much about Taoic religion and Mantak China, but I can offer some suggestions on how to improve the article on Internal Alchemy. There are several good resources for this topic (all of which are available on Google Books). Firstly, there is Isabelle Robinet's book Taoism: Growth of a Religion which has a chapter dedicated to Neidan, and is very readable. There is also the Daoism Handbook which has a chapter on Neidan as well. There is also Joseph Needham's Science and Civilization in China which offers a more scientific approach to alchemy.Zeus1234 16:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the suggestions. Vassyana 23:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Taoic religion
I have nominated Taoic religion as a good article. Feedback is welcomed. Vassyana 10:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you should consider adding a photo or photos. I don't think the map itself is enough. Maybe just add some photos of temples or something.Zeus1234 13:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Advice taken. Thank you. Vassyana 15:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

in need of references
I believe the article Taoist_sexual_practices should be checked for references and stated claims by someone with expertiese on the subject. If somebody would point me into the direction of reliable references I would be more than happy to help out. Teardrop onthefire 16:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

That article is a bit of a problem. Before I almost completely rewrote it, it was filled with lots of new-age crap that was totally unreferenced and poorly written. I sourced and wrote the part about ancient practices, but have no idea where to look for stuff about the new age practices (which I didnt write). People quite adding unreferenced parts to this section as well. Should it just be completely deleted I wonder? Zeus1234 20:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The part on contemporary female practices is sourced, but that's the only part.Zeus1234 21:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think this is a great article and should be added to, referenced and verified as sugguested by Teardrop onthefire.


 * There was recently coverage of the topic on the History Channel and I believe it deserves more attention.Caddcreativity 03:00, 08 November 2007 (UTC)

China officially opens to Taoism
The International Forum on the Daodejing is taking place in China (it started yesterday and it is going to finish on the 27th of April). The Chinese Taoist Church and the website China.org.cn have released a lot of wonderful material and informations about Taoism. As a matter of fact they've opened some websites like this and this en/this zh. I think you can create a new article about the event and use the infos of the websites (in this website there are articles about the feasts, the deities, the Taoist lifestyle and the tools of the priests). --Nyo it 17:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge Taijitu and Yin and Yang
I have proposed a merge of these two pages, as they cover a single concept from two different cultural perspectives and angles. One just talks about the symbol, the other the philosophy (which seems to include a large amount of original research), but as the Taijitu is the symbol for the Yin and Yang wholeness-in-duality concept I think they deserve a merge into a single article equally covering both angles. VanTucky 21:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. They should definetly be merged.Zeus1234 22:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the two articles should be merged Teardrop onthefire 07:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, support merge. Itsmejudith 10:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I strongly oppose this merger. It is exactly the wrong merger. Yin-yang theory is related to, but seperate from taijitu and taiji. Taijitu should be merged with taiji, not yin and yang. Just my two cents. Vassyana 17:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally think that taijitu could be merged in yin/yang and taiji, as it is relevant for both topics.Zeus1234 17:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can understand that rationale. The taijitu is a broadly used symbol, after all. However, I simply feel it is more relevent to taiji, being explicitly a symbol of such. It is descriptive of yin-yang, but only as it relates to taiji. Just some thoughts. Vassyana 21:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Creating a guideline that applies to all religous articles
Please discuss this in a discussion here--Sefringle 03:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

New project proposal
There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at WikiProject Council/Proposals that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Improving article
Eastern religion is currently being improved. Please help bring this central topic article up to standard. Vassyana 03:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Input and assistance would also be welcomed at Laozi. Vassyana 03:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Lao Tze's birth
It would be good if project members could cast an eye on the descriptions of Lao Tze's birth in List of virgin births and Reports of unusual religious childbirths. I don't know whether the sources are adequate to provide any entry in either of these lists. Thanks. Itsmejudith 18:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD nominations

 * Yangjia Michuan Taijiquan 16 August --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 13:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion notifications
If one were to monitor the various deletion forums and find articles nominated for deletion which have been tagged on the talk page with this WikiProject's banner, where would you like to see those notifications appear? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 13:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Religion
 * on a new WikiProject Deletion sorting/Taoism
 * on a new WikiProject sub-page, such as WikiProject Taoism/Deletion
 * on this talk page here, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taoism

Five Precepts(Taoism)
Can someone familiar with Taoism comment if Five Precepts(Taoism) is accurate? Googling around suggests the article is describing Buddhist beliefs. NeilN 04:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It may well be an accurate description of a conduct/belief system that has been placed under the umbrella of Taoism. After all, there has never been a rigid distinction between Taoism and Buddhism. However, the article has other problems: it has no inline citations and the English style is poor. I suppose one would have to get hold of the cited book in order to follow it up properly. Itsmejudith 14:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Understanding Heaven and Hell
Hi guys, can you help with this article? It is currently on Afd and the sources are in Chinese so we cannot verify it.

I placed this post earlier in WP:CHINA and they led me here.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind helping, although I am not familiar with "proper Wiki etiquette". Please let me know how I can assist in a coordinated manner. CADDCreativity 03:00 November 08, 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Feast of Immortal Peaches
See "Understanding Heaven and Hell" above, same problem. --Victor falk 11:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)