Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thailand/Districts

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Some old talk about the Amphoe articles predating the project can be found at Talk:Amphoe Mueang Samut Prakan.

There are a few more things which may be added to such an article, but of course most are much less important and more difficult to find than those already listed Comments? andy 11:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Economy - major industries (maybe even single factories or companies if notable), or main agricultural products.
 * District office - photo, address and geographical location of the district office. Maybe also the history of the building.
 * List of district officers (nai amphoe). As these change every one or two years such a list would get long quickly, thus maybe better as a separate article (like the List of governors of Surat Thani).
 * OTOP would a good idea IMHO, probably best under "Economy", as long as we don't have the Tambon articles. --media_lib 13:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not in the tambon list? That one already is a table, so another column wouldn't hurt. Example:

! No. ! Name ! Thai name ! Population ! Villages ! OTOP
 * 1.||Talat||ตลาด||20,755||15||Silk bags
 * }
 * Another thing, probably belonging to the "Places of interest" section would be a complete list of temples. At least for Surat Thani I have found such a list at . However it can get quite lengthy as well, and most temples aren't really notable. andy 12:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Another thing, probably belonging to the "Places of interest" section would be a complete list of temples. At least for Surat Thani I have found such a list at . However it can get quite lengthy as well, and most temples aren't really notable. andy 12:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

To create the above table I tried to do two templates to make the table a bit easier, especially easier to add more fields, though a bit more text to write due to the variable names. Can take a look at User:Ahoerstemeier/Sandbox, any comments? andy 20:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Where to find information
Can somebody help me finding information about the size (in km²) of every changwat/tambon? Thai sites would probably be ok. Thanks. -- hdamm 15:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Did you get my email? The sites which may have the informations on tambon are http://www.thaitambon.com, http://www.siamvillage.net or http://www.tambol.com, but with my limited Thai I haven't found much data there yet. For changwat and amphoe I have collected a lot from various sites in an excel sheet at . andy 03:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, are you still in LOS? - - - No email so far, did you use my Wiki email address?
 * It seems that thaitambon.com is mainly about OTOP, I found some data about population, but without date; siamvillage.com is same same and is quite difficult to navigate; I didn't know tambol.com, have to check. I used your excel sheet already couple of times. Thanks for the feedback. --hdamm 16:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No, returned just now :-) The email was sent via wikipedia, and contained effectively the same as the above. Strangely, with the ISP in Surat Thani it wasn't possible to post here most of the time, however the "send email" function returned an "email sent" message. For population only there's of course dopa.go.th - however strangely their numbers for amphoe/changwat for 2000 differ from those of the census sometimes significantly... andy 06:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I found it finally: dopa.go.th has a list with all changwats, tambons and number of mubaan with size in km² (พื้นที่/ตรม.). Click on each changwat to get a more detailed list. --hdamm 14:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

BTW, for population I use these dopa-pages (it seems, these are sub-pages of your URL), there a the numbers of the last 12 years ;-) -- hdamm 15:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I cannot see any numbers for tambon/mubaan area or population there :-( Or does http://www.amphoe.com - which is where that first link guides me when clicking on a specific Amphoe - only have these numbers for few selected Provinces/Amphoe? andy 16:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * And now I also notice that these tables at dopa allow to answer something I was searching for long time - which tambon belong to which thesaban. As all the thesaban are listed it is easy to see which tambon belong to it, and by comparing with the amphoe it's also possible to find which one belong completely and which one partially to the thesaban. Now I just want the same with the area :-) But it'll be a lot of work to include these data into my excel sheet, as I have to do a lot manually. andy 16:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's a new find - oncb.go.th has Excel sheets which list all the villages for each province as well the Chumchon (ชุมชน) for the thesaban (BTW: never read about those before - they seem to be the equivalent of muban within the municipal areas, anyone have more information to create an article chumchon). These sheets are also useful to make sure we don't forget any tambon, they contain the same geocode numbers as used in the census and by DOPA, and they are up-to-date (BE 2549). However I am still searching for area data... andy 11:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And another new discovery - at http://61.19.55.242/DCLM/DownloadAlldata/ there are documents (both doc and pdf) for all of the coastal provinces, which apparently compile the texts fom amphoe.com and thaitambon.com. Yet the interesting is that for each tambon the area, both in rai and km², is listed. I tried it for Amphoe Tha Phae, however the sum in that case was a little bit higher than the area for the whole amphoe. Strange... Where to find the same for the non-coastal provinces? andy 20:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming of articles
One thing not yet defined is the naming of the articles. So far there are two naming schemes in use - Amphoe name and simply name. Another possible scheme would be to use name District (or name district), which might be less confusing for non-Thais who don't know about what the word Amphoe means. See also WikiProject Subnational entities/Naming - a common approach fitting with entities in other countries would be nice. There's also the problem what to do with the plain name if we don't put the Amphoe article there - should that one be reserved for the main town of the district (unless that one has a different name, e.g. Chaiya vs. Talad Chaiya), should it be a redirect (or disambiguation if necessary). In most cases the central town of a district is so small it hardly makes sense to give it a separate article. If it isn't a redirect we will easily have many red links inviting to create substubs like xxx is capital of Amphoe xxx' without much use, or duplications of the article already written but not found. andy 12:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Has this been agreed on completely yet? I tried to ascertain a standard from looking at what's being used, and for the most part I found it consistent: The page for name is the page of the city, i.e. Lopburi is the capital town/city of the province, while Amphoe name is the district which (usually) contains that city, and name Province is the province containing that city and district. This is what I used for the districts in Yasothon, with a disambiguation page including all three. I think this setup works well.rikker04 13:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually this was never really decided in a consensus, it was simply the naming scheme used by User:Waerth when he started creating district articles, and I simply continued to use it, so it's just the de facto standard. I did not put up the point because I don't like this scheme, I just wanted to avoid a massive page move with many broken links later because someone decides equally unilaterally that all district must be xxx District . For the three articles town/Amphoe Mueang/Province it might be better to have the town at xxx town and make the plain name the disambiguation already, especially as the town is mostly covering the rather modern creation of a thesaban, while the historic town is mostly covered in the province article already. And when a Thai speaks about "Surat Thani" he usually means the province, while other more think about the town, thus there are easily links to the town which actually belong to the province. andy 11:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

New discussion

 * So a lot of time has passed, and this project has basically stagnated since pages were created for all the districts. Time to pick up the torch. Here's my beef: I am now of the opinion that having Amphoe at the beginning of every article name is no good. It's not helpful to users who don't know Thai, and it's not really part of the name of the place. Many an amphoe was once a tambon and probably a village before that. I think the important thing is the actual name, especially since there is relatively little overlap in Amphoe names. The text of the article can make clear that it is a district. I move that the basic name should be, simply, the name. If we decide to make this change, I am willing to help do the heavy lifting moving articles, and fixing links throughout Wikipedia using AWB. What say ye? --rikker (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What about the provinces? Should the changes apply to them too? Paul_012 (talk) 05:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There are IMHO only two reasonable naming schemes for the Amphoe articles - either the one now used "Amphoe xxx" (and previously "King Amphoe xxx"), or the one now used for many subnational entity articles in Wikipedia with the english name of the entity type, which would mean "xxx district". We should not use the plain name, which is in many cases not unique - there's usually at least a municipality with the same name, though this is probably less known and notable as the district. There might also be a subdistrict (though it may take long till that can get an article), and sometimes a small local river as well. And as far as I know, in the western tradition one assumes the plain name to refer to the city, while of course in Thailand it's opposite. A Thai person who goes to Amphoe Fang would say he went to Chiang Mai, yet if a farang says he went to Chiang Mai he always means just the city. So in many cases the plain names should be either reserved for the municipality, or become a disambiguation, and only if the town is really totally unknown we could make it a redirect and let the article start with the otheruses template. For the districts we might choose the third way most often, yet it is still better to have the articles with the full name, so the redirect might change easily into a disambiguation later without fixing many wikilinks and interwikis; also it makes it easier to find wikilinks placed without actually knowing the right entity referred to. The same arguing fits for the provinces, where now some plain names are redirects, while others are the central town, and a few are the disambiguation. I have had exactly this discussion when I met the one from TAT earlier this year, who as a Thai of course thought the province should be the most prominent one - so using the redirect with the otheruses template linking to the disambiguation page. andy (talk) 22:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So should it be Amphoe Xxx or Xxx District? Naming conventions (places) says to generally "use the official English name for the place and its type" if there is one, but that leaves the question of whether district is in this manner an official and direct translation of amphoe.
 * Another part of the naming scheme I'm having trouble with is the lack of descriptive terms for the districts (khet) of Bangkok. While district names usually refer specifically to the district proper or subjects which lie within it, there are several instances where this is not the case, e.g. Phaya Thai, where neither the road, intersection or palace bearing the name lie within the district; Sathon, where only one side of the road lies within the district area, while the name usually refers to the business area along both sides of the road in conjunction with Si Lom; or Bang Khen, the district of which is only a small portion of what it used to be, leaving the Bang Khen Canal, Railway Station, Intersection and Campus of Kasetsart University outside the district bounds.
 * For both amphoe and khet, though, the question is whether district solely refers to the administration level. I might, for example, refer to the Si Lom-Sathon Business District, which is not a district in this sense but a neighbourhood of the city. If this is not an issue, I think we should prefer district over amphoe or khet, even if it isn't universally used in official sources, for the reasons of this being the English language Wikipedia, etc. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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I have started a discussion for moving Thai district articles from Amphoe  to  District at Talk:Amphoe Ban Fang. I'm hoping consensus on the issue will serve as precedent for all district articles. Your input is appreciated. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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