Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Theatre/Archive 2

Screenwriter Aaron Sorkin needs reviewers over at FAC
Hello, I have self-nominated the Aaron Sorkin article over at FAC and would appreciate if y'all could review the article. It chronicles the rise of a Screenwriter, and how Screenwriters collaborate with filmmakers, and it's about one of the more popular Screenwriters of our day: Aaron Sorkin. Let me know what you guys think. I would appreciate it.-BiancaOfHell 03:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Theatres
Hello, I have recently added an entry for Sheffield Theatres a theatre complex which includes the Crucible Theatre, Lyceum Theatre (Sheffield) and Studio Theatre Sheffield (which I also created a stub for). I have also created a theatre credits section for the artistic director Samuel West as his biography concentrated mainly on his film and tv work. JCBettger 16:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Missing topics
I've collected a list of missing topics related to theatre. I have tried to remove any links that refer to equivalent articles but I wonder anyone could have a look at the list - Skysmith 12:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes
It might be nice to have a section on the main page of the Project listing infobox templates. I know of Template:Infobox Play, Template:Infobox Noh, Template:Infobox actor, probably others that could be relevant and useful. Yet none are listed on the front page of the Project, and are somewhat hard to find. Thank you. LordAmeth 11:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Crossgender impersonators in film/theatre
Hi all. I have been working on a number of articles related to crossgender impersonators in Japanese performance. In Kabuki, as in Shakespearean theatre and other forms, all the roles are played by men, and some men play only women's roles. Similarly, the Takarazuka Revue features all-female troupes and casts, in which some women specialize in only male roles. This phenomenon extends beyond just these two forms, and beyond just Japan, of course. But I can't seem to find any extensive articles on the subject (just a small section under Transvestism), and no categories for actors who professionally specialize in impersonating the opposite sex.

Obviously, this isn't strictly a "theatre" question, and applies equally to dance, TV, and film. Nevertheless, any thoughts or suggestions - if you know where to find these articles & categories, and I'm just looking in the wrong places - would be most appreciated. Thanks. LordAmeth 13:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Genre template
Similar to the Template:History of literature, I believe we should have a Template:TheatreStyles. I have begun a rudimentary one, but I am relatively new and it is woefully inadequate. If anyone could pitch in and help, that would be wonderful. Thanks! Roscius 03:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Play
This article is in really terrible shape. Perhaps some editors here could spend some time on it? It really wouldn't take much effort to improve it substantially. Jkelly 05:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Is Risley Hall relevent to the project?
Greetings: Another editor thinks that the article Risley Hall should not be included in the category "theatre" because the article is primarily about an arts-themed residence hall at Cornell University. I added the article to the category some time ago because a section of it is about the Risley Theatre, which Risley Hall contains. It seemed appropriate at the time, but now, rather than revert the edit that removed the article from the category myself, and considering that the project's template is not on the article's talk page, I decided it would be better to let someone who actually participates in the theatre project decide whether the article is relevant to the project or not. Whyaduck 23:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

David Mamet
The David Mamet page needs to be looked at. It is very brief in my opinion. Sydneysaurus 22:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

London theatres
I've been going through some of the London theatre articles, tidying up and so on. It strikes me that it would be useful to put together an infobox for the theatres, for easy access to pertinent facts (location, owner, current show, year opened, etc). It could probably use the Broadway theatre template.

Any objections, comments or whatever if I were to start putting such an infobox together? - Dafyd 15:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Irish theatre FAR
Irish theatre has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

Redirects gone crazy and lack of pages
Why is there a redirect to Stagecraft for a search for Theatrical Production? They are NOT the same thing. Also there should be a page for Stage show as well since not all stage shows are theatrical productions. Come on, we do want a full and comprehensive listing don't we?--Amadscientist 05:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

National Theater in Tokyo
Hello all. I've noticed that the disambig page National theatre has a red link for National Theater (Tokyo). Does anyone know if this topic is covered under another name? Even in light of the fact that there are a great many Japanese theatre topics remaining absent from Wikipedia, I am surprised to see a redlink for this major Tokyo theatre. Thanks. LordAmeth 10:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Applied Drama into Drama therapy
It was suggested in October 2006 that Applied Drama be merged into Drama therapy. This has not been resolved. Please discuss it here. JohnnyMrNinja 08:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Theatre infobox
Sometime last year, the Musical Theatre WikiProject decided that theatre buildings were not under our scope and to leave them more or less to you guys. However, on our to-do list has been revamping the theatre infobox at Broadway-theatre. Its not currently on any pages and drastically needs an up-do. There is a mock-up in our template sandbox, and I would love some input. You can leave any messages on the talk page there. &mdash; Music Maker  00:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

A list of every actor who has played Alan in Equus
My subject may have gotten hidden. I was referred to this group from the main discussion board. I have an interest in seeing a list created of every actor who has played the part of Alan in Equus. It is my hope that this list would include college productions and worldwide productions. Also included could be the age of the actor when they played the part and whether or not they had to perform nude since not all of them do. I would like to see the list as comprehensive as possible. I have already done extensive research on my own and have come up with a list of about 145 names.Goofyjim 23:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably a good project, but really not something for Wikipedia. By the way, are you aware of Dan Savage's full-length parody Egguus (in which the boy is obsessed with chickens)? - Jmabel | Talk 07:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Lawrence Mays
I found this article on Lawrence Mays during a random browse and I'm not sure if it either a hoax or an autobiography. A quick google search doesn't come back with anything, but then I'm certainly no expert in theatre or playwrights. I stuck a bio-notability tag on it, but the author has just removed it after adding what they consider to be sources. I thought I might raise it here for comment before considering any further action. Malathos 05:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've prodded it - if the prod notice is removed, I'll nominate it for deletion. It seems pretty clearly to violate WP:BIO notability guidelines, and it also reads as advertisement. Two of the sources come from Mays himself - the website for his own company, and his myspace page; the third simply lists him as being a member of the Dramatists Guild, which in and of itself is not a noteworthy accomplishment. --Brian Olsen 20:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Article needing attention
The article Sandra Dempsey, a Canadian playwright, needs desperate attention to prevent its deletion.--Old Hoss 22:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Gorilla Rep
Would someone consider adopting Gorilla Repertory Theatre Company? I think I was the only editor working on it, but some info was removed because of an anonymous complaint, and I've been warned against re-adding it because I'm a former company member. I'd hate to see the article die, but I'm somewhat skittish about editing it now. There are plenty of online sources available - the New York Times, Village Voice, and Time Out New York all cover the company. --Brian Olsen 22:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Historical actors
Hello! I didn't know there was a project like this on wikipedia, and i'm glad there is! I don't know very much about theatre history myself, but i think it is an interesting subject, and i've noticed something that is neclected; with the execption of Great Britain and France, there is very few examples of historical actors on wikipedia! I think there should be some examples about actors from Poland, Spain, Switzerland and The Netherlands (in short, every country should be represented!) in the 18th century and before. I have no information myself, but it would be interesting to read about! I thougt i should suggest it! --85.226.235.222 10:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A good first step toward this would be simply to identify individuals about whom we should have articles and do not. Does someone want to start a list? - Jmabel | Talk 07:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I list would be a good idea! When it comes to Sweden, they are a several names of such actors in the article of Bollhuset and Royal Dramatic Theatre. There, i think especially such actors as Margareta Maria Fabritz, Petter Stenborg and Lisa Söderman-Lillström deserves articles, as they seem to be the first professional native actors of that country. Before that, foreign actors performed, (which was typical of most countrys), and they, too, deserves articles! Perhaps one could ask wikipedians from Sweden to at least translate from Swedish wikipedia? One could also ask the same when it consernes other countrys!--85.226.235.247 07:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Teleplays
Greetings. I radically revamped the page teleplay last month, but have been stumped when trying to remember examples. I was wondering if anyone could add to the list I have on that page. Cheers, samwaltz 14:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

TDR
We don't have even a stub on TDR (magazine) / The Drama Review. Anyone want to take this on? - Jmabel | Talk 07:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Aquabatics

 * --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 19:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Godot Arrives

 * contribs) 03:56, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 19:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Template conversions
The templates have all been converted. To my eyes, there's a significant loss of quality in most of them. The white backgrounds are dazzling, the collapsible format less functional, the text too small and formatted crudely. The Greeks were quite elegant before. The only one to be unaffected is the Hamlet. I've asked to be filled in on the reasoning behind it, but please take a look and let me know what you think. Thanks, DionysosProteus 01:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Having dark background to the text gives low contrast and makes it very difficult for some people (like me) to read. The lighter background gives better contrast and makes them readable to everyone.  --CapitalR 21:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Should navigation boxes be collapsible?
Should navigation boxes be collapsible - to be less obtrusive and reduce clutter - at the reader's discretion? DionysosProteus believes that Template:Brecht plays and ones like it should be non-collapsible. (He's reverted three attempts by differents editors to make the box collapsible.) Assuming this project is active - is it? - can we have a centralized discussion here about this? What do other editors think about collapsible/non-collapsible boxes? -- Kleinzach 01:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've reverted the changes made when you recruited for the change. I have given quite an extensive explanation for the original design of a non-collapsing template on the talk page, which you conveniently ignore, time after time. And you misrepresent my opinion, yet again, to suit your own rhetoric. I have designed templates - such as the ones for Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet - that are collapsing, when this is appropriate. It is clear that your opposition to the Brecht plays stems from your absurd belief, which you have expressed many times now, that he is not the author of the operas and musicals that he collaborated with Weill on. Your unwillingness to recognise the dramatic component of opera is a prejudice not supported by scholarly analysis nor mainstream use. The Brecht plays were designed to be non-collapsing in order to provide a one-click ability to navigate between the elements of his corpus. It also, as explained, provides a visual ability to instantly situate an article within its chronological context. To suggest that a box that appears at the very end of an article 'clutters' it is nonsense. There are many more non-collapsing templates out there, and far, far larger than this one. Given that there are many opera boxes as large as this template, your insistence appears inconsistent at the very least. DionysosProteus 02:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You have already expressed your opposition to collapsible boxes many times and to a number of other editors. It's all available at Template talk:Brecht plays. Perhaps we now hear from other members of this project? -- Kleinzach 02:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you don't wish me to express my opinion, don't misrepresent it. DionysosProteus 02:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I and others have already pointed out to you that you don't have ownership of WP templates. Now, let's hear from the Theatre Project - if there is still anybody here! Does the project have a view on navigation boxes?-- Kleinzach 03:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * And again you misrepresent my views--is that the only way you understand how to discuss something? You invite me to contribute here and then complain when I do. You claim to want a debate and then recruit others to make the alterations you want without it, and represent that effort as if spontaneously in support of your position. I don't claim to have ownership, as I have made quite clear before, and as you well know. Yet it remains a fact that you have not contributed to the articles to which the template refers, no? It remains a fact that your opposition to the dramatic element of opera verges on the fanatical, in contradiction to all mainstream definitions (like the OED). Wikipedia is not the place to pursue such a subjective and partial campaign - it's for objectively-citable knowledge supported by the mainstream scholarly community. And the others you speak of is one other, whom you yourself recruited for the change that you wanted. More honesty and transparency, please! DionysosProteus 12:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, let's calm down and discuss this like civilised Wikipedians. I hate collapsible navigation boxes. Yes, they're snazzy and yes, they take up less room. But you won't believe the amount of people that amazingly don't know they ARE collapsible and not just pretty banners across the page and those who just fly past because they're not BIG ENOUGH to attract attention. No, I don't think we should have collapsible boxes, it's just easier. Mind you though, if there are a number of really huge navigation boxes, that would make the article look a bit daft. In that case, we'll have inconsistency. It really is harder than it looks! For a start, are there any navitgation boxes that are really huge?  Lra drama 18:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, plenty (see the foot of the Dyslexia page etc.) but I don't think we need go down that route. The point about collapsibility is that it is an option for dealing with non-essential ancillary information, and I'm sure people understand what [hide] and [show] mean. -- Kleinzach 01:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, please believe me, there are people who're relatively inexperienced with computer usage who'll not dare try anything they're not used to. It seems obvious, really obvious to us who know what we're doing, but we must put ourselves in their shoes. Thankyou for replying though, and yes, it seems collapsible boxes may indeed have to be the norm if the article is to look presentable. :-)  Lra drama 12:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the collapsibility is a good thing, as it standardizes the navboxes with other navboxes. They collapsible only when there are multiple boxes on the page, which helps to reduce navbox clutter.  If you really want to keep them open, just use the "state = uncollapsed" option; that defeats the collapsing feature, but at least standardizes the style and makes them look good with other navbox templates that might happen to be on the same page.  --CapitalR 21:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I see! Oh well I have no problem with that. Thinking about it, a few navboxes open all at the same time owuld look a bit cluttered, especially if they're rather large, so yeah, that's fine I think :-)  Lra drama 08:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Theatre Userbox?
Do we have one of these to put on our userpages?  Lra drama 18:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Goodness me, I do wish people would reply here. I'll take that as a no then?  Lra drama 13:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that'd be a symptom of general ignorance, rather than ignoring. Looking at a few of the user pages on the list of theatre contributors suggests 'no'. We are, I fear, a Critically endangered species on Wikipedia. DionysosProteus 14:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You are quite right - the two other Wikiprojects I'm invoved with are literally buzzing with replies to queries.  Lra drama 14:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Twentieth century theatre
I thought you folks might be interested in my nomination of Twentieth century theatre for Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. The body of that page consists of only 12 words! It would be great if any of you would like to collaborate on writing a great article about the subject. --S.dedalus 06:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My impulse is rather to develop the individual articles--both on individual theatre practitioners and on more general movements--and then summarise those in Twentieth century theatre. Whichever approach is followed, it might be useful to begin to outline the main areas to be developed on that page's talk page. The five or so on the list at the moment betray an obvious Western POV, for example. DionysosProteus 14:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The Screwtape Letters
This adaptation of C. S. Lewis's famous novel has recently been expanded and relocated to an off-Broadway theatre. I have added the necessary notes to the article. Should I add the Project box to the article's talk page? DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 02:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use, living people, and notable theatre productions
How has the fair-use policy been applied to photos of living people in notable productions of plays? Events in live theatre can never again be repeated, whether the cast members remain living or not. Where do photos of casts in character fall under the fair use policy? Has anyone tested the water on this? Dybryd 19:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not having been around for long, I couldn't say if it's been tested already or not, unfortunately. I would assume that the guidelines would be the same as a screenshot from a film. It's an interesting question, though, that we ought to know the answer to. Perhaps you might try asking in a forum at Wikicommons? DionysosProteus 15:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Nimbus Theatre
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Nimbus Theatre is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 18:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Fifty Foot Penguin Theater
Another small theatre group from Minneapolis: As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Fifty Foot Penguin Theater is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 18:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Perpetual Motion Theatre Company
And there's another small theater group from Minneapolis with unclear notability: Perpetual Motion Theatre Company. I would really appreciate your comments on the talk page. --B. Wolterding 15:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)