Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thelema/Archive 2

WikiProject Religion
The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thelemic Personalities
What needs to be done to add more people to the "Thelemic Personalities List?" In particular Ebony Anpu, Timothy Leary, and Robert Anton Wilson.<3 Captain Barrett 21:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Something for all: Sex economy (essay) Article proposed for Deletion, please discuss
Israel Regardie wrote in the introduction to the voluminous Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic 	that any aspiring magician should consolidate his work by submitting to some form of Reichian psychotherapy. The basis if this is outlined in an article which I have put up, Sex economy (essay), which details an essay written by Ola Raknes, Norwegian vegetotherapist and author of Wilhelm Reich and Orgonomy. This is an acute introduction to the theory of sex economy which all Reichian, and indeed neo-Reichian, therapies are based on. This should be of great interest to many people that are preoccupied with more than the mere trappings of magicianship. However, this article that I have put up may not remain a Wikipedia article for long, since it has already been proposed informally for deletion. Maybe an interest taken by some of the folks frequenting this forum could be significant in saving this article for Wikipedia. __meco 08:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've replied in detail on Talk:Sex economy (essay), please take a look. To avoid deletion of the article, you can make it into a more Wikified article as discussed on that page - or other changes you might feel are in line with your thoughts.  Also, you have the right to edit the page and remove the propsed deletion tag (just erase the tag between brackets that says subst:prod| that appears there.   If you don't remove it by the date listed in the deletion box on that page, the article could be deleted without further discussion.  For info about how this works, refer to: WP:PROD.  If you remove the template tag, the editor who placed it there might submit the article for deletion through formal procedures (see WP:AFD), but then there would be a chance for discussion first.
 * I'm not removing the tag myself because I don't have time to jump in and start editing the article -- but I agree with your idea that there should be an article on Sex Economy so I encourage you to read the comments on the talk page and proceed with your edits. Good luck! Parzival418 05:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion tag removed
After reading the article again and further consideration, I went ahead and removed the PROD tag. The article is a good summary of the topic of Sex Economy, which Regardie studied deeply and felt to be of great importance, and it has relevance to the Thelema project. That's not to say the text doesn't need improvement to become a better Wikipedia entry, it does. But I see no need to hurry up and delete it when it can be improved instead. Please refer to Talk:Sex economy (essay) for more info, and contribute there and in the article if you like. Parzival418 07:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Del. of Minor Arcana articles
I am a tarot player, but my AfD proposal has nothing to do with it. Nor has it anything to do with my skeptical worldview. It was proposed as a labor saving device. At least three other Wikipedians, most of whom are more sympathetic to divinatory tarot than tarot games, have found it absurd to have all these articles on individual cards. My views on divinatory tarot have nothing to do with it. I consider a debate over whether these stubs should be kept to be a fundamental first step to be taken before any labor is wasted trying to fix them.Smiloid 01:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I see your point. I posted "Keep" in the AfD because it seems to me these article are at the initial stage of their lives and in the long run there will be a lot of info added to them. If that happened in a merged article it would become very long.  On the other hand, we can consider that if the individual cards were merged and then after a while it got to be too fat, we could split them out in different ways - for example, what might be appreciated by the Thelema project - split out the definitions of the Thoth cards as a unit in one article   (and possibly related systems like the Golden Dawn cards), into a separate article about "Magickal" interpretations of the cards of the Tarot.  The same thing could be done with the game interpretations if there is enough info on that (that subject area is not in my area of expertise, so I can't say if that would be useful or not).
 * In summary, although I voted to "Keep", I am also willing to consider these alternatives. My main concern is the same as yours - planning for the future editing of the articles, which method will be most effective for the readers and the editors...? Parzival418 01:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Another related WikiProject
I notice no mention here of WikiProject Kabbalah, which is probably closely enough related to be mentioned in the link box on thae article page... Grutness...wha?  22:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

New project proposal
There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at WikiProject Council/Proposals that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)