Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tibet/Archive 3

Losar
Losar is currenting happening, how may I ensure that it is flagged as a current event? Is there a News Wiki article that this Wikipedia article can interwiki? How may I progress this? Is there anything else you recommend?

Blessings in the mindstream

B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 06:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New Guy
Hello I'm kinda new to wikipedia, but i know alot about Tibet and I would like to help out in your project. I'll help in the Tibetan Uprising articles, and I know alot about that since I found a bunch of old TIbetan newspaper articles on that. Also it was translated and for those who are interested it's on the March 10 official website here. Also I'm on almost all day so I can frequently check if the articles are being vandilized. If you guys want to contact me about this email me at samuraidude123@aol.com Samuraidude123 (talk) 05:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Monasteries
Are Sera Monastery, Ganden Monastery and Drepung Monastery proper nouns? Are the articles supposed to have capital "M"s or small "m"s? Another editor and I are curious and don't know the answer. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm nearly positive that they are proper nouns. I've never seen a lower-case "m" used and that's something that I would generally notice. --Gimme danger (talk) 07:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Tibetan script needed
Tibetan script needed at Gyuto Order. Badagnani (talk) 01:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Project Collaboration
Would anyone be interested in starting a WikiProject Tibet collaboration project? I think with a bit of devoted effort we could bring an article to Featured Article status once every two months or so. I would suggest that, given the current unrest in the region, that we start with a relatively non-controversial topic. I propose Trisong Detsen. Who's with me? --Gimme danger (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm up for it! ...anyone else? Dakinijones (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

3rd Party Sources for 1959 Tibetan uprising
Myself and some other users managed to fill this in with information from the CTA/Office of Tibet and some Chinese sources, but the article now needs information from 3rd party sources to more clearly establish notability and provide some 3rd party synthesis. I know that The Dragon in the Land of Snows provides quite a bit of detail on the events surrounding the March 10th uprising, but I've lost access to that particular book for the time being. Since the current unrest began on the anniversary of the 1959 uprising, it would be good to get this article filled out in a timely fashion. --Clay Collier (talk) 06:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Article Improvement
Is there any interest in an article improvement work-group for this wikiproject? Tibet-related articles are in a state of disrepair and our most important articles are sub-standard. Please express your interest here for some sort of collaboration or article improvement drive. --Gimme danger (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Namri Songtsen, 32th Emperor : NEW !
I create the article. Please review it !! 220.135.4.212 (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left a few comments on the article talk page. Thank you for your contribution! --Gimme danger (talk) 17:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

dzo (yak-cattle hybrid)
I recently did some work on the dzo page, but currently there is at least one question left open: Does the designation "dzo" only apply to a calf from a yak bull and a domesticated cow, or did someone just confuse between cow and cattle? I.e. is there a different name when the calf is from a male piece of cattle (vocabulary?) and a female yak. I don't speak Tibetan, so I don't think I can figure this out on my own. Also it would be nice to have some real info on dzos as working animals, I just could not let that "like a mule" statement stay in the article. Yaan (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

China and PRC articles request to be renamed
User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 70.55.88.176 (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Serfdom in Tibet
This article needs a great deal of work and is in danger of being deleted. and are contesting the neutrality of the article and requesting its deletion as a fringe theory. Mainstream scholarly sources have been added to the article, but more are needed to make it incontestable. Please pitch in if you can! --Gimme danger (talk) 03:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The deletion discussion can be found here--Gimme danger (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
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Gö Lotsawa
The article on Gö Lotsawa needs urgent attention! Names and facts about two entirely different figures who lived centuries apart have been mixed together- and so it is pretty well useless, if not downright misleading! See my comments at Talk:Gö_Lotsawa. I don't have time to sort this out myself right now, though I've added some links to useful sources under Further Reading & External Links at the bottom of the article page which should be useful to anyone who wants to take it on. Chris Fynn (talk) 05:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Robina Courtin
...needs a free photograph. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

==Tibetan Buddhism: Sources used for articles about living Lamas (and their previous incarnations) ==

I've noticed some articles about living lamas on Wikipedia appear to rely almost entirely on quotes or references taken from the sites or publications of religious organizations or centers closely associated with the lama who is the subject of the article. This makes me wonder, in such cases do quotations from a Lama's home page or those of organizations effectively under that lamas control, or run by devoted disciples, amount to self-published sources? - Since we are told "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons". Some of these cases may not be obvious at first sight articles about living lamas may use material taken from such websites without giving any direct reference at all.

One could even go further: In the case of tulkus,  can what the present "incarnation" (or his organization) says about previous incarnations be considered a neutral or unbiased source? Tibetan religious "biography" is almost always uncritical and reverential hagiography. The alleged spiritual or miraculous accomplishments of individual religious masters or their predecessors is often used as a means to try and establish the authenticity of a lineage — sometimes in order to attract followers or patrons. This may amount to advertising or promotion of a living person by making claims about their (supposed) former incarnations. Where such pious stories involve miracles etc. they are of course also unverifiable.

Chris Fynn (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are quite right. Some use of self-published materials is the norm in many articles about persons living and dead. However, this only extends to cases where the claims are not controversial. Otherwise, it always needs to be clarified that X states that Y is a fact. I would think any claims of supernatural events always qualify as controversial. Claims by current tülkus about the activities of their predecessors are particularly prone to problems both because of the point that you raise and because the current one might not really know that much about the events he is talking about; I don't think that most tülkus claim to have a detailed memory of their past lives, let alone a thorough understanding of the historical circumstances surrounding them.&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 02:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Tibetan Buddhism
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CfD nomination of Category:Tibet Autonomous Region
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RfC re: Sinicization of Tibet
Hi there, much concern has been raised that the article Sinicization of Tibet has serious NPOV problems. I have made an attempt at neutralising the article. However, the article is being jealously guarded by User:YakLee. I would like to ask interested editors to comment.

The relevant versions of the article are: this version by YakLee and the last version by me. Please comment at Talk:Sinicization of Tibet. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Above user is has had talk with a lot of contributors yet that have tried to convince him not to use his POV in the article and on the talk page. He added a mayor one-hand piece with no references in the article and he places {fact}-templates, where text has been referenced by respected sources. Next to that he doesn't recoil - here above - to even make personal attacks on my address. I am NOT jealously guarding the article: the contrary is true: see the facts for your self. This games is really beyond every limit. I suspect political motivation with this user. YakLee (talk) 09:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

A new article which needs some attention
Hi folks, I am not knowledgeable on these topics at all, but I have been working away to clean up and Wikify a new article Historical money of Tibet. if someone could take a look at it it would be helpful. The original writer is still around. Invertzoo (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done some layout matters, linkfixes, tables, external links, etc. I didn't know more content for it. If someone has coins or bank notes at home, please take a picture of it and grand it to Commons. That would make the article more attractive to read. Hopefully the Numismatic project knows to contribute as well. Davin (talk) 12:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Changthang
I'd just like to leave a brief note pointing out that the Changthang article is very short, almost exclusively deals with Ladakhi Changthang, is not very encyclopedic, and has great potential. It's such a fascinating area, with the nomads, the traders, the Great game history, European explorers, the wildlife, the importance to China for minerals and Nuclear testing... I know it sounds like I'm trying to sell it, but I am. I've got some reference material, but mostly dealing with Ladakhi Changthang. Any help is most welcome.--Keithonearth (talk) 07:55, 26 December 2008 (UTC)