Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tibet/Archive 5

Archive 6

Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) → Chinese Invasion of Tibet
There has been a requested move filed for Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) → Chinese Invasion of Tibet 76.66.198.171 (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Dorje Shugden
This article urgently needs some more expert eyes on it. See its talk page and discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard. I do hope there are people here who can help. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Buddhism
This portal is currently undergoing a portal peer review. Comments are welcome at Portal peer review/Buddhism/archive1. Cirt (talk) 05:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge names for Tibet?
Merge names for Tibet?

Three articles duplicate (sometimes word-for-word) discussion of the English, Chinese, and Tibetan words for "Tibet".
 * Tibet
 * History of Tibet and History of Tibet
 * Definitions of Tibet

Merge? Since the first two pages are lengthy (currently 100 and 157 KB respectively), should the third be expanded? Perhaps renamed something like "Names and definitions of Tibet"? Keahapana (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; Delievered by §hepBot  ( Disable )  on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Added a missing  tag to your signature above. Your signature messes up the page. Mathglot (talk) 07:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Concerns about 'Tibetan Martial Arts'
The articles contained in Category:Tibetan martial arts share a number of problematic characteristics: they're largely unreferenced (or referenced only with web links to dojos purporting to teach these 'arts'), they make nebulous claims of ancient, Tibetan lineage, and many of them read like advertising materials for the art in question. Is there anyone here who has any experience with these specific traditions, or reliable sources for working with them? I've never seen mention of any of these traditions in sources dealing more generally with Tibet or Tibetan religious traditions (including Tibetan medicine), and I'm concerned that Wikipedia may be being used to propagate some dubious claims for commercial purposes. --Clay Collier (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree on all points. I messed around with a couple articles a few years ago that even seemd to have made-up Tibetan names, meaning that they were falsified by somebody who couldn't even by bothered to find a real Tibetan word ... I don't remember the specifics.&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 04:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Buddha's Birthday and Vesak
Hi, everyone. We have a DYK event for Buddha's Birthday and Vesak just like events for Christmas or April Fool's day. Many of Tibetan culture is based on Buddhism, so I think you guys can create/edit interesting Buddhist articles in upcoming five days. Once you create or five fold expand Buddhist related articles (famous temples, monks, movies, literature, paintings, foods, etc) within 5 days, and then nominate it to the below place. After a review, your article can be featured on the main page. So be hurry if you are interested. :) Thanks.

Template talk:Did you know --Caspian blue 18:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Dorje Shugden RfC
I've opened an RfC about a few issues related to the depiction of Dorje Shugden here in that article. Some input from people familiar with the issue would be helpful, given the controversy surrounding the topic. --Clay Collier (talk) 01:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Twelve Heavenly Generals
Quick question: Does the group of Twelve Heavenly Generals exist (as a group, not individual members) in Tibetan Buddhism? bamse (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Transliteration and Capitalization
I notice many people using Wylie transliteration in articles are improperly using capitalization. In his article specifying the scheme Wylie discouraged capitalization and said that where used the first letter or prefix should be capitalized not the root letter (which he calls the initial). So bka' rgyud and Bka' rgyud are correct in Wylie transliteration but not bKa' rgyud. See: Wylie_transliteration. Chris Fynn (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Changthang
The Changthang is an important region of Tibet covering 69% of tibet's land (I've just read), and stretching from Ladakh to Qinghai. It is a fascinating and unique area of nomads and wild spaces. Despite this the article has no information on the Changthang in the PRC, focusing exclusively on the parts now located in India. I'd love it if some folks could head over there and balance this out. I'm going to do a bit myself, but don't know how much I'll be able to do.--Keithonearth (talk) 18:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Very confusing article 'phang thang ma
Found this while working WP:UNCAT, and I can barely tell what it's about at all. Anyone want to take a stab at clarifying this article: 'phang thang ma ? MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this up. I rewrote the intro. I think the article should move to Karchag Phangthangma, but the move feature seems to be busted for this article when I try to move it.&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 04:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) → Invasion of Tibet
Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) has been proposed to be renamed as Invasion of Tibet. see Talk:Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) &mdash; 76.66.196.139 (talk) 06:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

British expedition to Tibet -> Younghusband expedition
I know it is a bit late, but several days ago I proposed to rename the British expedition to Tibet to Younghusband expedition, as the latter name seems more common and also less ambiguous. See Talk:British expedition to Tibet. Yaan (talk) 11:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement
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Concerns about articles on individual Tibetan Lamas
Unfortunately it seems many articles on Wikipedia about individual Tibetan lamas look less like objective summaries of biographical material than they do mini-hagiographies or promotional material. Usually it turns out the main contributors are either disciples of the lama concerned or have some close involvement with that particular lama’s lineage. While this may provide some “insider knowledge”, it usually heavily biases the content with a particular non-objective POV.

Should devoted disciples (or a disaffected former disciples) of a Lamas be encouraged to preclude themselves from editing articles about their "root guru" or lineage on grounds of conflict of interest? The goals of being a good disciple in the Tibetan tradition and those of Wikipedia often seem opposed. Chris Fynn (talk) 18:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * After reviewing the conflict of interest policy, religious devotion can be considered a conflict of interest. However, merely having a conflict of interest with respect to an article does not preclude editors from editing it. I think that in this situation, like in other controversial areas of Wikipedia, we must assume good faith and deal with problems in article and with editor behavior as they arise.
 * I wonder also whether, especially for historical figures, the scarcity of sources has an effect. If all we have are hagiographies, then that's what we have to report. Not that the articles themselves should be written in that style, but they will be unbalanced in favor of the subject. --Danger (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For an authoritative source of basic bio information for historical figures, you can always start with the Tibetan Buddhist Resource Center database which will give you the bare historical details (date and place of birth/death, parents names, students, teachers, incarnation lineage, associated monasteries and so on. Then there is also the Treasury of Lives which has bios on almost every Tibetan figure noteworthy enough for a Wikipedia article. Some of the ToL biographies are a little hagiographical in themselves - but at least many are peer-reviewed and written by noted scholars in the field so this is a reliable source for information to use in Wikipedia articles. In a Wikipedia article things that are not verifiable facts (reincarnations, miraculous events, and so on) should not be stated as if they are - no matter how much you believe that they occurred or that they are true. I suggest qualifying statements about such things with a phrase like "Tibetan Buddhists believe ...." or "according to the traditional account of his life ..." though obviously you have to cite the source. If the source is a subjective hagiography rather than a more objective biography it is best to state that it is so - doing so is in no way disrespectful to the subject or the tradition. Using appropriate language and style for a Wikipedia article might be regarded as 'skillful means'. Chris Fynn (talk)

Tibet articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Tibetan Buddhism articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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IPA for Tibetan key
We have enough articles with Tibetan IPA transcriptions (going on a hundred) that it's probably time to come up with a quick key for Tibetan in the IPA, as we do for other popular languages.

Would someone here like to create it? If not, do you have any preferences as to what it would be like? Should we just have Lhasa dialect, or should it support other things as well? — kwami (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

15th Dalai Lama
A stub has been created for the 15th Dalai Lama. I encourage project members to help with expanding the article, as there has been much speculation, debate, and politics between China, Tibet and India regarding possible successors and the nomination process. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Importance rating questions
Could someone tell me if the rationale for the importance rating is available to see? I ask because it seems odd to me that Invasion of Tibet (1950) and 1959 Tibetan uprising should be mid-importance while the Kuomintang Pacification of Qinghai and Western Government secret intervention into Tibet should be top-importance and 2008 Tibetan unrest should be high-importance.Wikimedes (talk) 06:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Importance rating is a subjective process and generally reflects the rater's knowledge and priorities as much as any "objective" scale. The scale is fairly standard across WikiProjects; a good description of one can be found here. I agree that these ratings seem, comparatively, a bit off. You are welcome to change them. Importance ratings aren't that, er, important. Danger (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll give changing them a shot, and probably not worry too much about it afterward. How does one change an article's importance rating?Wikimedes (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In the following template, change the "importance" parameter to whatever rating you feel appropriate: (Valid inputs are "top", "high", "mid", and "low".) So a B-class, mid-importance article would have this template:  Danger (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * On further thought, I think I'll back up a step and not worry about it before hand. Qualitative changes to controversial topics such as these are sure to result in a lot of -ahem- discussion.  Right now, my time is probably better spent improving content.  Thank you for your help.Wikimedes (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I found some time and changed the importance ratings on the 1959 Tibetan Uprising, Kuomintang Pacification of Qinghai, and Western Government Secret Intervention Into Tibet as described on the respective talk pages. "Invasion of Tibet" has recently had a lot of discussion and a focus and title change, so there are more important things to worry about, and I've been heavily involved in the editing and don't feel right about unilaterally increasing the importance rating.

Is it possible to change the importance rating under WP:Tibet and WP:China separately? What's important for Tibet may be less important for the whole of China.Wikimedes (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Dalai Lama intro
I hope everyone will help me keep an eye on the intro to Dalai Lama. An unregistered editor keeps reverting to his preferred version (for example, see my edit restoring it). This is not a dispute over a political issue: he is adding a set of idiosyncratic and uncited musings on the meaning of the phrase "Dalai Lama". Still, for the last couple months, this has been the intro the Dalai Lama article, which should be embarrassing to Wikipedia.&mdash;Greg Pandatshang (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Chinese PUA Tibetan text added by Yu Hai
I have noticed that User:虞海 (Yú Hǎi) has recently been adding Tibetan text using Chinese PUA encoding into various Tibetan-related articles (e.g. Nechung, Doilungdêqên County‎, Jigdal Dagchen Sakya, Ngor, Gompa). I am converting as many as I can find to standard Unicode Tibetan, but editors should be on the look out for any I miss, and keep a very close eye on all edits made by this increasingly disruptive editor. BabelStone (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

naming discussion at Xixabangma
There is a naming discussion at talk:Xixabangma. There is a new poll to determine support for the move from Shishapangma to Xixabangma. If you are interested, please provide your opinion here.--Wikimedes (talk) 00:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

New article idea
Although there is WP:NOTNEWS, the BBC and other reliable souces have reported more recent unrest (late 2011 until present) than that covered in the article regarding unrest that occured in 2008. That being said, should a new article be written regarding these new notable events, or should the 2008s scope be modified/expanded to include more recent events?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Expanding Gelongma stub
Scoping through articles to work on, I discovered the gelongma stub. I'll get started on it. Longchenpa (talk) 12:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Tibet-related topics
Hi Project Tibet, I've proposed merging Western support for Tibetan independence into Tibetan independence movement. Whether you agree with me or think the former can be expanded to a point where it can stand on its own, make your opinions known! --BDD (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Obviously, considering my proposal below, I suggest a name change of that article to Tibetan resistance movement. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Change Category talk:Tibetan independence movement to Category:Tibetan resistance movement
Much of the current activity seeks autonomy rather than independence, see Category talk:Tibetan independence movement. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Mashro Monastery and Matho Monastery...are they the same?
It seems to me that the articles Mashro Monastery and Matho Monastery are detailing the same monastary that simply has two ways of spelling it, but I can't confirm it beyond a reasonable doubt, partially because of small differences you can find in the sources. Can anyone here confirm that they are refering to the same monastary? Thank you. Trinitresque (talk) 01:06, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tenzin Wangchuck
Does anyone know what Tenzin Wangchuck's name is in Tibetan or Chinese script? The article has been nominated for deletion, and knowing his name in one of these scripts would be very useful to help find sources about him. Of course, if anyone is aware of any sources we could use for the article, that would be a great help too. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 13:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

2012 Chinese American infobox representatives open nomination period
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian_American. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

2012 Asian American representative approval period (Now until 18 December)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)