Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tokusatsu/Archive 1

Power Rangers/Super Sentai
Current makeup of the articles
 * Zords
 * Character list
 * List of all grunt monsters (main villains have their own article)
 * List of episodes
 * Arsenel
 * Uniqueness of the series/Trivia

It's been my view that most of it is extremely crufty.
 * Episode lists should be cast off into their own article or not mentioned at all. I don't have any context for what "The Fate of Lightspeed" line means, for instnace, other than it is the last epsiode.  This might be daunting for Super Sentai, with 30 seaons, but i think that List of Power Rangers episodes holds up pretty well.
 * Arsenel is meaningless and has no context. There are no pictures, for one thing.  I don't even know the names of some of the individual zords, so why are we listing them all?
 * Characters. The post-Zordon Rangers aren't bad, most of them rolled up into one page, but pre-Zordon dives into the obscure.  Billy Cranston dressed up as Sherlock Homles?  So what?  Super Sentai is just horrific - full of peacock terms like "xxxx is kind and caring."  Please: Just the facts.
 * Monsters. Power Rangers fares better, sa only major villains are featured, but Super Snetai is horrific: why do we need to know the names of each monster that has been killed off or frozen, episode by episode?
 * Uniqueness of the series: Once you're forced to make it into cohesive paragraphs, most of the cruftiness disappears. Names/Puns in the Super Sentai articles have been problems though, as they're all WP:NOR.

I think the philiosphy of removing or converting bulleted lists would do the trick on most of these problems. For the zords, I Think we would need to have at least some lists - in which case, a sentence of context (what the zord does, when it was introduced, etc.) would be good. Hbdragon88 06:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a primary objective to de-listify a good portion of all of the content of the articles. When I asked how much it would take to get Super Sentai to featured article status, it was told to me that I should put it up for featured list status. I have done some of these changes to the articles already (making more sentences and whatnot) for at least the Zord sections. Other things I will comment on at a later time, as I am currently busy.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I really have no problem with keeping the episode lists the way they are now. However, I would like to ultimately see the episode lists done in the fashion of List of Kamen Rider Kabuto episodes (that is, one episode list page per series, with synopses--but we shouldn't split the episode lists off until someone actually writes the synopses). jgp TC 07:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, by "delisting" I mean turning a lot of bulleted lists into actual prose, like the arsenal section for Mystic Force or the character section of Abaranger.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree with that--I was just replying to User:Hbdragon88's above comment about episode lists. jgp TC 07:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that a few days ago I found a site that had links for fansubs for the series Bakuryuu Sentai Abaranger at [link removed, please do not add links to copyright infringement]. I also would like to point out that while trying to fill out expand the Abaranger page that the biggest issue I had to deal with was inaccurate details that I found had to do with Episode 40 of Abaranger and the battle against Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. Here is the old description


 * KillerGhost (Kirāghotsu) (30-31) / Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost (40): A monster-clone created by Mikoto, modeled after AbareKiller in AbareMode. KillerGhost was so powerful it managed to capture 5 of the Blastasaurus. It took Abared to become AbareMax to kill it. KillerGhost was later revived by Lijewel, who upgraded him with free-will and more power than before as Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. AbareBlack was able to destroy the upgrade jewel, and Abaren'oh with a DinoGUTS power-boost was able to kill him forever.

In the Power Ranger version his american counterpart White Terrorsaurus II had stripped the Rangers of their powers and after Tommy had come out of his coma he defeated him and restored the other rangers powers and Conner, Ethan, and Kira destroyed Terrorsaurus for good by combining the power of their Super Dino Mode forms with the Thundersaurus Megazord. While in the Abaranger version the difference is that the giant battle occurs first and while that battle is occuring Jeanne and AbareKiller were fighting against Asuka who was still possessed by the cursed armor. It was shortly afterwards that KillerGhost was still alive and Asuka had been freed from the curse that he personally fought and destroyed KillerGhost by himself. So after analyzing the footage carefully I revised a new, more accurate profile.


 * KillerGhost (Kirāghotsu) (30-31) / Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost (40): A monster-clone created by Mikoto, modeled after AbareKiller in AbareMode. KillerGhost was so powerful it managed to capture 5 of the Blastasaurus. It took Abared to become AbareMax to kill it. KillerGhost was later revived by Lijewel, who upgraded him with free-will and more power than before as Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. Abaren'oh with a DinoGUTS power-boost was able to defeat him, but he had survived, and AbareBlack was eventually able to him kill him forever.

If anyone needs to make a minor adjustment to this then go ahead and I would like to point out that information like this should be checked if posssible for any inaccurate details since PR might have a minor change that would be hard to notice. Also in terms of the quality of the subtitles their translation of certain character names as well as special techniques are not as good compared to TV-Nihon. -Adv193 03:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Scope
Whoa. The scope is huge. Masked Rider/Beetleborgs can stay under the main header as they lasted for 1-2 seasons. But Super Sentai/Power Rangers should be put under a more specific work group, or something like that - 45 seasons is by no menas a small feat. Hbdragon88 06:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Our project covers everything tokusatsu. We work with Godzilla, Chouseishin Gransazers, Saban's Masked Rider, etc. We don't do it all at once, but we work on what we can.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is true of several of the subareas; kaiju films, for instance, have a huge catalog &mdash; "tokusatsu" is a very large area to work within. As this project grows, sure, it'd be great to split up into smaller projects, but I think we should work on establishing a common place to improve these articles and having a centralised discussion area before worrying about that.--SB | T 08:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images
I need some help here in pruning articles of huge galleries of fair use images. For instance, Virtual Dungeon has images on every monster, which is wholly unnecessary and a massive copyright violation. It breaks WP:FUC #8 and #8: unfree images should be used as little as possible. The only characters that need to be illustrated are the major villains. I've only checked out the Metal Heroes-related pages (mostly because of an increased interest in VR Troopers), which have the most gratitious problems.

On a less severe note, Power Rangers/Super Sentai are also slightly problematic. For instnace, List of Gaoranger characters has six images. Group shots appear to be the de facto standard, reducing the images from 5-5 to just 1-2. I was wondering if some kind of standard should be adopted for all pages. Hbdragon88 05:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, finding a group image is the difficult thing. So long as fair use pictures are kept at a minimum and have fair use rationales for their use in the article are given, then I do not know any sort of problem. Surely, all the images at that damn page can be nuked, as can their compliments at the Shaider, Kikaider, Sharivan, etc pages.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 05:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, to be specific, I agree with the VR Troopers pages, but disagree with the Gaoranger (or other sentai articles) unless a decent group image is found (like that at Ozu Family)— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 06:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that the Metal Heroes pages need to be trimmed of most, if not all, kaijin images--not just for WP:FUC concerns, but also for readability reasons: a while back I split the villain info in Jikuu Senshi Spielban and Choujinki Metalder off into new pages, because the main pages had become utterly unreadable due to the sheer flood of images. Maybe we should have a new standard: villains only get images if they're significant (that is, they're not monster-of-the-week kaijin). jgp TC 07:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we have GrnRngr working on the Power Ranger monsters, so you needn't worry about that, but I agree that the images at Metal Heroes need to be culled.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Super Hero Time
There is a Japanese article on it, maybe we could create one for this version of Wikipedia? That way we might be able to add the "Super Hero Time(insert year/shows)" box at the end of each Sentai and Kamen Rider page, maybe some others as well since I notice stuff going back as far as 1960. Yaguruma 10:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea, i brought that up on Ryulongs talk page, and i think its a practical idea for shows that have aired during the 3rd Generation of Kamen Rider to have a combined transition box with the current Sentai. Floria L 14:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This does sound like a fairly good idea, but from what I see in the Japanese pages that it's a relationship solely based on air-time. If there are other shows that are aired, then we could probably connect other such shows.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, there are bumpers and shorts that are aired during the block as well, some of them being crossover between the two shows. If you add succession boxes, which is fine, be sure to mention the programming block in the intro (or a seperate section for broadcasting if there's enough material) as well.--SB | T 20:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've created a page on it. I'm working on translations of the Japanese page and trying to get others to help my with translations sop we can hopefully expand it it. I guess right now we should just add the succession boxes to the pages. Yaguruma 19:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Some of this is wrong. KR always came after SS beginning in 2000. Also why don't they commercial bumpers, ED credits for it?74.195.3.199 06:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Another image concern
Recently, posted a ton of links to images on Kamen Rider Blade (also with a ton of edits--just look at that history). Normally, I'd remove them as being WP:FUC violations, but I noticed one thing: these images are all external links. I'm fairly sure this isn't allowed, but I figured I'd bring it here before reverting it all. jgp TC 19:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I reverted it; external links should be either references or informative in such a way that encyclopedia articles cannot be or should not be, preferrably the former. Since, as you say, were these images to be uploaded and hosted on Wikipedia, they would be copyright violations, and because they provide no new content nor verification (at least, none that isn't gained by citing the episodes and the series itself, which we are doing implictly) they shouldn't be linked to, and certainly not on such a grand scale.--SB | T 20:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Parent projects
It seems to me that, to help with organization, this Project should probably be listed as a descendent of a few others, such as WP:JAPAN and WP:TV. What do you who are actually involved in it think? Since there's already a "Related Projects" spot, I'll add WP:ANIME there, since the two fields do associate quite a bit and occasionally overlap. --Masamage 22:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, no one here is really involved with either of the other two projects, but we could use the assistance from higher up projects (occasionally, I end up bugging Japanese Wikipedians to help me translate something, when WP:ANIME or WP:JAPAN might be of better help). However, there's a film WikiProject, too, isn't there? They've "laid claim" on the Godzilla articles until we can get a template (with cool icon) up and running.—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't think you have to be involved, per se. Far as I can tell, the "parent" term is just used for organizational purposes. That way, you can also downlink from those projects, and attract help from those who might be involved with this if they only knew about it. :) Also, what kind of icon were you thinking for the template? Would a crop of the cosplayer on your front page work? If so, I could whip one up for you. (Ulterior motive: then I could slap it up on PGSM's talk page. ^^) --Masamage 22:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I had a moment, I did indeed whip one up. Feel free to edit mercilessly, delete the image in favor of another, or whatever your heart desires. ^_^ (It currently uses categories that don't exist; standard WikiProject procedure is to make those, but again, you can change that all around if you like.) --Masamage 23:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I have been working on something, but I need the permission of an artist to utilize the template that I modified first :/ It's essentially a Super Sentai helmet with a W for the visor.—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome. --Masamage 00:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan names
I'm uncertain of the status of Kamen Rider (Skyrider). If Skyrider is just a fan-made name, we should not be using it; we should be using official names. If this should be moved, I was thinking that we ought to move this to Kamen Rider (1979 TV show) or something like that, but I want some input. Hbdragon88 05:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Skyrider was the name of the Kamen Rider within that series. It's a decent disambiguation for the series. Signifying that it is not the original Kamen Rider or the franchise.—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 05:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not a fan-made name &mdash; it's simply the name of the character (Eventually. He's called just "Kamen Rider" before episode 20) . The series is also sometimes called (mostly recently) New Kamen Rider, but the current title is more accurate. Perhaps we need a Kamen Rider (disambiguation) to clear up some confusion...--SB | T 06:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Dragon Knight
Surely this falls under American adaptions of tokusatsu works, does it not? The article needs serious cleaning up and expanding, along with more sources. The information itself however, seems to be credible. | Floria L 06:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There be a thread that I alienated myself in at Rangerboard, and I gave a reference at Kamen Rider Ryuki relating to the series.—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

A little assistance
What is the correct romanization for Kamen Rider Den-O? Kamen Raidā Den-ō or Kamen Raidā Den'ō. | Floria L 20:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The logo for Kamen Rider Den-O implies that its name in English is "Masked Rider Den-O." The kanji are written in Hepburn romaji as "Kamen Raidā Den'ō" because the n is not part of the same syllable as the long ō. It would be written as "Kamen Rider Den'ou" per the other names, but as I said, it is implied that Electro-King (電王) is to be written as "Den-O." The same could be said for Kamen Rider 555 because it is implied that the 555 is to be read as "Φ's" (Phi's/Faizu).—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Kamen Rider Kabuto
Congrats to Yaguruma for finally making a template that groups the countless pages of Kabuto together. However, compared to the Kamen Rider template, its kinda oversized. I'm not sure how boxes work, so does anyone know how to make it a bit more organized and smaller? Floria L 18:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll play around with it right now.—Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 18:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm done :)—Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 19:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For the record, there's now a Ryuki template based on this one. jgp TC 10:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh my. Why is there an article for every Rider in one Kamen Rider series? Can't these all be merged into one main "List of Riders in Kamen Rider Kabuto"? Hbdragon88 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Not everything needs to be merged. There is a List of Kamen Rider Kabuto characters but these pages are information about the riders, which are unique from one another.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 03:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you even bother reading them? If you tried to merge these pages, you'd end up with the mess you have a JA wikipedia. Enough said. Floria L 10:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I profess an ignorance of Kamen Rider. The only experience I have is watching the Saban adaptation of BLACK RX, where the Kamen Rider there is the lone man fighting the bad guy.  But it appears to me that these Kamen Riders resemble Power Rangers-like characters, in which case I think it would be better to merge them together.  The only reason why they're so damn long is because they are written from a pure in-universe perspective with much detail lavished on each separate relationship, episode, and characteristics.  Too-detailed plot summiares can be considered a copyright violation, which is why I'm concerned. Hbdragon88 21:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Although copyright might be issue as you suggest, I highly doubt it as Naruto summaries are MUCH longer than what is written on these pages, and I don't think they've actually been sued before. However, merging still seems extremely unpractical due to the extensiveness of each Rider. They aren't a team or a squadron that works together, despite what you may think of them resembling Power Rangers. They each have an independent stories, and only interact for the sole basis of that. They may step over the line sometimes, but not to the extent to become Power Ranger-like characters. After the series ends next week, I'll go back and cut down on the massive amount of cruft in there. Merge on the other hand, would only create an extremely hard to read page that would be unorganized and overly large, with possible 50 or more headers. Power Rangers have much less extensive information that actually shows any character development, therefore having the short articles and capable of being merged together. Kamen Riders on the other hand each a unique set of statistics along with personally developed characters that don't actually receive many episodes in which they are there just to be wasted, like what often happens with PR. Floria L 23:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, awesome, thanks for clarifying the differences in roles that Kamen Riders play in comparison. Not going to push for a merger now and I was only wondering about it. Hbdragon88 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Translation/Romanicization
Due to the whole thing with Juuken Sentai Gekiranger, and what should and should not be translated, we need to come up with a decent standard.

I personally think that (barring article titles, for now), Kanji/Hiragana should be translated into English and Katakana should be transliterated into English. If we know the translation, we should utilize it, until we get something official(ish) via DVD covers (tv asahi/Toei/Bandai uses "GoGo" and "Mahou" on DVD covers), official releases, or fansubbing (or aesthetics in the case where the fansubbed titles can be improved upon).— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 22:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A footnote to this is that in recent years, Kamen Rider series have used translated titles written in English, Kamen Rider 555 is "Masked Rider Φ's," Kamen Rider Ryuki is "Masked Rider Ryuki," Kamen Rider Agito is "Masked Rider AgitΩ," Kamen Rider Blade is "Masked Rider ♠" (read as "Blade"), and from Kamen Rider Den-O we see "Masked Rider Den-O". We really should use English or anglicized titles when they are provided.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 22:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Kamen is something thats obviously used in the community, and it would be quite disruptive if we translated that word. Obviously there's always been a tag at the end of the opening to denote a translation, but I don't really think a complete translation is necessary for words like Kamen. Floria L 23:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There's the thing. Wikipedia has Naming conventions (use English), and the Japanese sources use "Masked Rider" and whatnot, in English. Searching around tv asahi's Kabuto page shows that they call the transformed form of Souji Tendou "Masked Rider Kabuto."— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 23:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, an argument can be made for either case. A lot of the Japanese writing has "Kamen" in Kanji and "Rider" in Katakana, so, technically, "Kamen Rider" would be the correct usage. On the other hand, the English on nearly every piece of merchandise calls them "MASKED RIDERS". BUT, that's in reference to the riders themselves. Maybe we should make a compromise and keep the titles as they are, but change the individual rider articles? I.e. Kamen Rider Kabuto, the page, stays the same, but the character page becomes Masked Rider Kabuto? Yaguruma 05:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That would work. However, on other matters, I still feel that we should discuss the romanicization and translation factors. Gekiranger is full of half-translations and no-translations.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 05:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I still think changing them to say Masked Rider would be kind of confusing. They've been refered to as Kamen Riders as well as Masked Riders. Not really and issue here. Same reason Sentai isn't translated. Floria L 11:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, my reservations about the Geki article is that we seem to be using "Juuken" and "Narakudō" and others all over, when it can be translated.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 19:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Floria about the Kamen Rider problem. Regarding Gekiranger, I think "Juuken" and the other martial arts names can be translated with no problem. However, words like "Narakudō" are more ambiguous. The "Naraku" is, in lack of better words, the buddist "hell", which is certainly different to the christian, more known hell. It's the same problem that Infershia's (Magiranger) "mei" (冥), it can be translated as Hades, hell or underword. Filadelfo 20:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Naraku" being the Buddhist hell, then maybe it should not be translated. I would prefer that "Geki Juuken" and the like are translated. We need Fractyl to comment.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 20:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Naraku being the Zen-Buddhist term for Hell works, so does "Underworld" in relation to the undead warriors Lio has under his command. But "Geki Juuken" and other terms should not be translated all the time. Example: Gekijuuken Beast Arts (激獣拳ビーストアーツ, Gekijūken Bīsuto Ātsu?|Fierce Beast-Fist Beast Arts), —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fractyl (talk • contribs) 22:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Very interesting but so much to read.74.195.3.199 02:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Wiki
Hello. First I'd like to say that I think it's great that there's a Tokusatsu project now. I hope that a Tokusatsu page will make it to a featured article sometime soon. Anyway, I stumbled upon this page last night and noticed the request for a Kamen Rider equivalent of the Wikiranger. If no one is currently working on that I'd be happy to sketch something up for consideration. (Guyinblack25 16:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
 * An actual drawing of one would be a hell of a lot better than the premade templates that I used for the Wikiranger. If you could do the Kamen Rider equivalent, that'd be wonderful. However, if you drew both, I would be grateful.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 21:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I assume you want the same design for the Wikiranger as the one that's already there. I'll sketch something out and get back to you. (Guyinblack25 23:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Have you never heard of the midseries power up? :P Feel free to improve on the design. Just remember the GFDL (for the copyrighting of the finished work) and some other Wikipedia mascotty things. :)— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 23:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of a basic character design. It's just a pencil drawing, so it didn't scan too well. I didn't have time to ink it or touch it up before I could scan it (I don't have a scanner at home). Just thought I'd show it to everyone to at least get some feedback. Am I going in the right direction, wrong direction, anything missing, anything to add on, is it going terribly wrong and you regret asking? You know, what ever thoughts/feedback you may have. Also what is it going to be called, "Wikirider" or "Kamen Rider Wiki"? (Guyinblack25 05:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC))
 * I'd prefer "Kamen Rider Wiki," and I'll find others to comment on it. It looks good so far.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 05:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with that...it goes better with KR than "Wikirider". jgp  T  C  06:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, actually, I'd think that he'd be a bit more identifiable if he contained some aspects of some of the newer Riders, such as those from the third gen, Ryuki, Blade, Agito, Kuuga, Kabuto, Den-O (not Hibiki, though)— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 10:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ouch. Hibiki hate. :( Looks nice. Floria L 16:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hibiki did not look like a classical Kamen Rider; no bug eyes.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 20:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's an updated version, I tried mixing and matching various different 3rd gen Riders. Personally, I'm a bit split on it. Part of me likes it and part of thinks a giant pencil monster ate a bunch of Riders and vomited them all up into one. I'm leaning towards using a light blue for the eyes and a dark blue, like Wikipe-tan, for armour. Still not sure whether to use grey, black or white for the suit. I'm also still trying to figure out how to design the legs. So feedback, comments, likes, dislikes, it would all be appreciated? (Guyinblack25 15:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Here's a small color test of the second sketch. I only used the base colors and have not added any shading, highlights, or texture. I wanted to see if this is acceptable for everybody and get feedback before I go ahead with the current design. So any feedback, negative or positive, is appreciated so that this drawing is representative of the Kamen Riders. (Guyinblack25 18:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Sorry, I've been busy for a while.
 * Anway, I think it looks nice. And as an after thought, I think that a scarf would look good (to tie in with the older riders). I was just looking for a mix of both past and present. :)— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 02:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the third sketch, I went back to the separate bug eyes, and added the scarf back. A few minor changes here and there too. I changed how the henshin belt looks and am still a bit undecided about the legs. I'm trying to incorporate a bit of Wikipedia's theme too, so let me know what you think? And as always, please be honest and any ideas you got I'd like to hear them. (Guyinblack25 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I like the puzzle piece belt. :) It really fits in with the Wikipedia theme. I'm not sure about the omega, though. But we do need to find another symmetrical letter used as part of the Wikipedia logo. Also, Omega is taken by another Kamen Rider :/— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What about the "Й"? Also which puzzle piece belt, the one with a single line of pieces on the rider, or the one with two lines of pieces on the close up of the belt? Also what do you think about removing the shoulder guards and adding knee guards. Any other feedback or ideas? Also what does everyone think about the Wikiranger below? Also, it appears I use "also" too much. (Guyinblack25 22:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC))
 * That letter looks cool. And I like the close up line of the double lines, it looks more like a jigsaw puzzle. The shoulder guards are rare among any of the Kamen Riders, and with the higher levels of Metal Heroes references making the armor more mechanical and what not, meaning knee...joint things would make it more like the actual ones.
 * The Wikiranger is good, as there's usually a lot less detail in suits for the necessity that they're a team, and the costumes be easy to have very few alterations on. I trust your artistic skills (and license) on both of these :)— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I've been a bit busy with some new projects at work. Here's the fourth version. I finally came up with some boots I could live with. There are mainly just a few tweaks here and there, removed the shoulder guards, and some small knee guards. Changed the scarf to something more akin to the original KR. Changed the letter on the belt. As always, any comments, good or bad, are welcome. Please let me know what everyone thinks and/or would like to see. Once the design is set I'll start working on adding color and shading. Also, something I realize I've been doing is moving the image down along with the discussion, would others like it better if re-uploaded the original images and inserted them at the appropriate places in the discussion 1)Simply to keep accurate records 2)Also so others can compare the different version? (Guyinblack25 19:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC))
 * That's okay. He looks really cool now :) I'll try to get others to see if they have any comments on it.— Ryūlóng  ( 竜龍 ) 23:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Discussing this with others, maybe we should go with the W for the belt :/ The N isn't really representative of Wiki.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Any other changes? If that's the only change, I can do that in photoshop. If everyone is happy with the design I'll do some color tests. (Guyinblack25 04:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC))
 * I think that's about it. The other person I've shown this to is going to wait for the color test to see what he thinks about it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 04:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Arbitrary section break
Okay, here's the first color test. No shading or texture or anything fancy, just basic paint by numbers coloring. The grey will more than likely be switched out with a more metalic looking color and the eyes will have more texture added to give the bug-eye appearance. What would everyone think about a maybe lighter color for the suit, instead of a near black, maybe something closer to white or a blue? Anyway, let me know what everyone thinks, good or bad, criticism is always appreciated. (Guyinblack25 19:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC))
 * I think the colors all right. There's not much one can work with in the Wikipedia color pallette. I'll try to get others for some input, as usual.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 20:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * People like him. But I just thought of something along Hibiki lines (to connect him to that). I've been looking for a decent kanji that would read ui (うい) to go with oni (鬼). Wiktionary gives me "beginning, initial, primary" (初), "sad, grieving, melancholy" (憂), "fennel, aniseed" (茴), "have, own, possess; exist" (有) and "do, make, handle, govern, act; be" (為). There's also a lot of other stuff listed at う and い.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As a side note, "capable" (有為).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And there are also "stomach" (胃), "well, mine shaft, pit" (井), and "Boar" (亥).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice idea, I like "初鬼". I think linguistically it's a nicer/cooler name that gives a sense of importance. Plus most of the other Hibiki Riders had a two character name and I think it would better to have only two characters instead of three. That's my two cents. Also any other comments or suggestions on the color scheme, if not I'll work on adding texture/shading and get a finished image to you as soon as I can. (Guyinblack25 14:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC))


 * Looks good, however, the first thing that came to my mind when reading the kanji was "Shoki", but after a moment you realize it is "Uiki". I think a lighter shade of blue would be better, it looks a little um... "thick" in lack of a better word.Filadelfo 02:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikiranger
OK, here's a sketch of Wikiranger. Personally, I don't like the helmet, it didn't turn out how I was imagining it. I'm definitely planning on redoing that, but feedback/suggestions on what everyone else would like to see are welcome. Like if there are specific ranger costumes or parts of those costume that you like. I'm working on a second, much more polished sketch of Kamen Rider Wiki, and will follow up with the Wikiranger. Just to clarify, I assume the color schemes for both the Rider and Ranger will be Grey/Silver & White. I was think of possibly making it Grey/Silver & Black for the Rider. Anyway, any feedback and/or comments are appreciated. (Guyinblack25 21:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Well, for colors, we only have one individual to compare against, Wikipe-tan. There's black, silver, grey, white, and blue (for some unknown reason). However, there's not much we can also pick out of the different skins (Wikipedia sure is blandly designed :/). And again, use your artistic skills to base the design on. [[Image:Wikiranger.png|thumb|left|I wasn't that good in PaintShopPro when I did this.]]And the base is just a template that I had to go through the GFDL red tape to get :/ And my design is a bit crappy/not smooth.— Ryūlóng ( 竜 龍 ) 22:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I've been a bit busy, here's another idea for the Wikiranger redesign. Feedback is appreciated as I want this to be a reflection of what everyone envisions the Wikiranger should look like. Also since I didn't get any feedback on the 2nd Kamen Rider Wiki design I started working on it some in Photoshop. I'll try to upload some versions with different color schemes to see what people think. (Guyinblack25 21:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Quick question, does anybody care if there's a "henshin" device for the Wikiranger? If so, I can try to work that into the design too. Any thoughts/ideas? (Guyinblack25 02:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Well, maybe a EditerBrace which henshin er, edits him into the WikiRanger. I even read a Munoh Sentai WikiRanger article on the Japanese Wikipedia. Maybe Wikipe-tan can even be a part of it! --Beast Fist Saint GekiBlack 11:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Gekiranger
I think Geki & Rinki should be as they are, maybe the Gekijuuken Beast Arts and the Rinjuuken Akugata as well, with the same translation explainations as Gekitohja.—Fractyl (Fractyl)
 * But it's Kanji that we know the English meaning of. "GekiTohja" is written in katakana and has meaning from kanji. There is no reason to leave kanji as romaji when there is a translation that we know of. Things like "激獣拳" have known translations. Whereas something like "ゲキワザ" is left as it is. If it was written as "激気技" then it'd be translated.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 20:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I get that it should translated, but like in "name/puns", like we did with the likes of Daizyujin, which was written in kanji, & many of the mecha seen in shows like Abarenger. the energy the Gekirangers draw from, Geki, is really a double pun as it is translated as "Fierce Spirit", but it also pun on 'Fierce' alone, "Geki". And Ki is the japanese term for "Chi", the energy harnessed in martial arts. And for "Rinki" to match up with Geki. —Fractyl (Fractyl)
 * Well, I made it so "Geki" is "Fierce Spirit." There are times when it's good to translate and those when it's not. And why is it that your posts aren't time stamped?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 00:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess, but I still prefer using terms like Gekijuuken. As for the time stamp, no idea.—Fractyl (Fractyl)

Kamen Rider (franchise)
Would it not be better for the Kamen Rider (franchise) page to have the article name of Kamen Rider instead? -- Aaru Bui  DII 16:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No... Because there's already the page, Kamen Rider, for the first series. That series came before the franchise was actually created, so it is the one that doesn't need an disabmiguation. Kamen Rider (skyrider) and Kamen Rider (franchise) share the same name, but they essentially came after. KR isn't like SS, being that it has no logo. :( Floria L 19:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the Japanese Wikipedia has the page as "Kamen Rider Series," but we can't really move it to Kamen Rider as that was the first series, which was later followed by another series called "Kamen Rider" that is more commonly called "Skyrider" because of the main character, while there has not been a single program called "Super Sentai" or "Metal Hero" (the Ultra Series is another issue).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 20:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Which came first was never the way to determine which article gets a name. It has always been the most common usage of the term. -- Aaru Bui  DII 23:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be Kamen Rider in 1971. Followed by the the franchise when V3 and X came out, and then Skyrider in 1979.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sentai article renames

 * The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

In case no one has noticed, I have moved the article to Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger. We don't need to bother Guyinblack that he has bootleg DVDs.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 21:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

From this Calendar there are several series that are written differently by Toei. This includes Dai Sentai Goggle V, Denshi Sentai Denjiman, and Ninpuu Sentai Hurricanger, which are Goggle-V, Denziman, and Hurricaneger. Should we impliment these changes (except for Gorenger and Jacker)— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 04:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whereas I've seen the previous two both ways before, I have -never- seen "Hurricaneger." Moreover, it just looks ugly bad. JPG-GR 04:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, most of them are direct romanizations, using renger instead of ranger. It'd be best to go with our transliterations for now. Floria L 09:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Floria, those do sound like direct romanization. Especially Denziman (デンジマン), the ジ in the katakana is based on シ(shi). Every other character on the "S" line, サ(sa) シ(shi) ス(su) セ(se) ソ(so), changes to a "Z" when the two lines are added. The one exception is シ (shi), it changes to "ji" instead of "zi". This was a common romanization error in the past, Majingaa Z being called Mazinger Z for example. As far as the Hurricaneger spelling, I double checked my DVDs and was actually surprised to see "Hurricaneger" in English in the background of the cover. I believe my DVDs are actually international releases from Japan, but I did get them off of ebay, so they may or may not be authentic. Anyway, I still believe that it is a romanization error, simply because Katakana is such a phonetically base script. It does seem worth mentioning in articles that some merchandise lists them as that. Not all merchandise always has the correct spelling, Garren's bike for example. My two cents. (Guyinblack25 13:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC))
 * A lot of the direct romanizations use "Ranger." However, this is because "Hurricanger" is more often than not in the original Japanese sources as "Hurricaneger." I'll have to go dig up a DVD box as well to see how they use it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, from what I can tell, it's Hurricaneger. See here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and most definitely here.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's in the opening credits.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My DVD's have the same type of covers as those pictures, my versions are region 0 and the whole series came on 6 dual layer DVDs. As far as I can tell, they look authentic. So the interesting thing though, is that on all the covers they say "Hurricaneger", but the subtitles all say "Hurricanger". The subtitles weren't bad either, with the occasional direct translation of proper nouns, they weren't broken English. Not that this is a strong argument, but most every super sentai site I've seen refers to them as "Hurricanger". IMDB even has it listed as "Hurricanger". I think there's enough evidence on both sides to go either way. Should the article named be changed though even if they are known in the US as "Hurricanger"? If the official name is changed then obviously the content should be changed but the article name too?(Guyinblack25 02:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Bootleg DVDs have little to do with official show name romanizations. JPG-GR 02:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try and find Ninja Storm on YouTube to see how they translate it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And I found "Hurricane Rangers"— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's just it though, I'm not sure whether or not they bootleg or not. My Kamen Rider DVDs are obivously bootleg, you can tell just by looking at the setup, video quality, and the news announcements on the episodes. My Hurricanger DVDs are good quality video and have a bunch of extras like interviews, press conferences, data files, stuff like that. I also got them around early 2004, and at the time, most of the bootlegs I came across were single layer DVDs, not dual layer. I'm only bringing it up because if they are official, then that means that along with that calendar there's other official merchandise that has it spelled as "Hurricaneger" (Guyinblack25 03:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Region 0 and Subtitles? Bootlegs. JPG-GR 03:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, that's kind of an extreme rule of thumb. There are reputable companies that sell non-region coded DVDs with subtitles for international releases. Anyway, let's say they are bootleg, what about the calendar, and the region 2 DVDs in the pictures linked above found by Ryulong? (Guyinblack25 13:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I'm not commenting on the fact of whether or not "reputable companies" sell non-region coded DVDs with subtitles. I'm commenting that in the case of Sentai DVDs, if those are characteristics of the DVDs, they are bootlegs. JPG-GR 00:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If the episodes themselves contain the time stamps, they're bootleg, if not, they're official. Yaguruma 20:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Assistance over Plot Hole matters at KRK
Seems user Teram10 is determined to add in a section about plotholes, even though that is neither encyclopedic or attributable. I tried explaining, but it doesn't seem to be working. :S Any advice? He seems to interpret WP:TRIVIA, in that, all information he deems silly is trivia. Especially the part about the Rider Kick. Having Rider Kick is trivia? Floria L 18:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I will discuss it with him.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 18:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Geki Wazas
Just got your message, but you should consider keep GekiWazas mostly untranslated around the "word-word" area. It seems to go in hand with Jan's manner of speaking. Fractyl 19:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * But we know that Hō is Cannon :/— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 20:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but it's "Hō-Hō" and the attack really has nothing do with a "cannon", just a standard "aura projection" attack. Ten-Ten Dan (Intent on finding a batter english term for "Dan") sorta counts as GekiJaguar does spin in this move. As for "Kyaku", it seemed more of romanized "kick". As for Gekitohja's Big Gan-Gan Fist, it's not really a "punch attack" from my perspective. Fractyl Fractyl


 * Now I want to change the Gekiwazas! Can someone BESIDES the helpful Ryulong actually reply to this and make it happen?


 * Geki-Geki Cannon (激激砲)
 * Twice-Twice Clone Fist (倍倍分身拳)
 * Come-Come Beast (来来獣)

Whirl-Whirl Fist (グルグル拳)
 * Tiger-Fist Styles
 * Gun-Gun Bullet (砲砲弾)


 * Cheetah-Fist Styles
 * Flicker-Flicker Bullet (瞬瞬弾)
 * Strike-Strike Bullet (打打弾)
 * Wave-Wave Bullet (振振弾)
 * Mama-Mama Strike (母母打)


 * Jaguar-Fist Styles
 * Spin-Spin Bullet (転転弾)
 * Dance-Dance Strike (舞舞打)
 * Dance-Dance Dash (舞舞走)
 * Bloom-Bloom Bullet (花花弾)


 * Leopard-Fist Styles
 * Pierce-Pierce Palm (貫貫掌)


 * Elephant-Fist Styles
 * Shot-Shot Ball (弾弾丸)—A Gekiwaza that uses the GekiHammer to hit the enemy hard from a long distance.


 * Bat-Fist Styles
 * Rise-Rise Bullet (昇昇弾)—A Gekiwaza that uses the GekiFan.
 * Rise-Rise Dance (昇昇舞)—Uses the Double GekiFan to perform a graceful movement in midair.
 * Air-Air Slash (宙宙斬)—Charges the Double GekiFan with Geki in midair to slash the opponents.


 * GekiTohja Gekiwazas
 * Big Firm-Firm Fist (大頑頑拳)
 * Big Firm-Firm Kick (大頑頑脚)
 * Big Degree-Degree Kick (大分分脚)
 * GekiElephanTohja Gekiwazas
 * Great Firm-Firm Ball (大頑頑丸)
 * GekiBatTohja Gekiwazas
 * Great Degree-Degree Fan (大分分扇)

Fractyl 05:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Kan is "pierce"? Hmm.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if I'm no good with a mass of kanji, I can at least manage to get one to few translated.Fractyl 02:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Kamen Riders
Given that the number of Kamen Rider characters has grown, and will only continue to grow in the future as long as the franchise is on TV, I thought I'd try to make a template for the Kamen Rider characters. I haven't applied it to any pages yet, because I thought I'd run it by others to hopefully work out any kinks in it. I tried to include the basic information. I also tried to make the information relevant to any character, hero or villian (except for rider finisher and rider weapon). So anybody that has any ideas or input, please help out. (Guyinblack25 00:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC))
 * That works, however all of the more recent riders have multiple forms, and they all have different images, motifs, etc.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 03:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What if several templates were made like the Template:Infobox animanga ones. A main header and footer and then an additional one for extra forms or other information. The only other option I can think of right now is to have the number of forms listed and any other images appropriately placed in the article as a normal image. Just a thought. (Guyinblack25 15:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Well, right now I think you can impliment it on some of the older riders. The newer ones will be a small problem for now (the Den-O riders come to mind here).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 20:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't think this will work out. KR Riders are simply too random to be confirmed to a static template. This works with Sentai, not KR. Floria L 20:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the only recent Rider that would fit your description Floria is TheBee. Now, perhaps we could set up something for the physical specs.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 21:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey again, I tweaked the template format. I created three separate templates similar to the anime and manga ones. The templates are : Template:Infobox Kamen Riders/Header, Template:Infobox Kamen Riders/Extra form, and Template:Infobox Kamen Riders/Footer. There is an example on the Template:Infobox Kamen Riders page. I've got a few ideas to tweak it also, like the use of color and maybe including some more details. There are still a few finer points to work out, but what do y'all think? A step in the right direction, or still no dice? (Guyinblack25 14:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC))

The separation of Robo and Sokko
As of now, the Giant Robo live-action series, also known as Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot is a separate article from the Giant Robo.

As I understand it, Giant Robo (tokusatsu) is one of the Toei Superheroes so it falls under the jurisdiction of WP:TOKU and Giant Robo (OVA) under WP:ANIME. Just letting the respective projects know.--Nohansen 20:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically, Giant Robo should be set up as a disambiguation page, or the tokusatsu article should exist instead of the redirect. As far as I know, the OVA should have an article in its own right. However, now the history of the articles are all messed up :(— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 21:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The tokusatsu article began as Johnny Sokko And His Flying Robot. It was then merged to Giant Robo, which began as an article on the OVA. I took Giant Robo's article history when I turned it into an article on the OVA, but forgot about Johnny Sokko And His Flying Robot's article. The Giant Robo (tokusatsu) could be edited into the Johnny Sokko And His Flying Robot redirect and turned the Giant Robo (tokusatsu) into a redirect to Johnny Sokko And His Flying Robot. (Does that make sense?) But that's up to you all.--Nohansen 21:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try and fix that history, then.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Clean up/recreate Super Sentai Spirits article
the article Super Sentai Spirits 2 needs to be recreated to a article on the concert series to an article for general info. or can it be deleeted and the proposed article added to Super Sentai Spirits

Please help? Mandrke 07:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see those articles as passing notability requirements or salvagable.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 18:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Gekiranger, Schools
I think Gekijuuken Beast Arts & Rinjuuken Akugata should be reworked like this...


 * Gekijuuken Beast Arts (激獣拳ビーストアーツ)
 * Rinjuuken Akugata (臨獣拳アクガタ)

Fractyl 01:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

No sir. Kanji = translate unless its something like henshin, which is almost americanized. Floria L 02:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You sorta misunderstand it, both "Geki" and "Rin" are associated with both sides, plus "Juuken" is part of the title. Furthremore, if we do did this, we're not going to use the same translations used by TV-Nihon. Fractyl 03:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Title = untranslate. Rest of Kanji = translate. Doesn't matter where it happens, or what it associates with. I could care less about tvnihon, Kanji = translate. Until you can give a legitimate reason of why Kanji shouldn't be translate beyond your own opinion, then no. Floria L 22:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well let's see...


 * 1. The team is named "Gekiranger"
 * 2. Many of their arsenal, and a few attacks, have "Geki" in the name. Plus the Ranger's Chi, "Geki", is a pun on Geki.

Are those legitimate reasons for you, because I see them beyond being a opinion. Plus, if you noticed, the translated term is still present in the "nihongo" for understandment reasons. Fractyl 05:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole point is that "激獣拳" and "臨獣拳" are completely translatable and that's what we did. It was not done from the inception because we did not have a proper transcription of the title and of "獣拳." It was because it was the right thing to do (translate from Japanese to English). The reading of the kanji gives enough information (Fierce Beast-Fist (激獣拳)). We do not need to throw the translation of "geki" as "fierce" just to link Gekirangers with Gekijūken.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 06:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But I also mention that there are some cases that have no need to be translated, like "Daizyujin", "Dairenoh", or fighting-styles from "Fist of the North Star". Plus, many of the show's fan perfer the terms. Plus the "translate from Japanese to English" is still intended here, just only the need of theOffical (Kanji) on contrast to the Translation (Kanji). Fractyl 15:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is because there is only one group that does subtitles for the series and they have their own methods of transcribing things. It may be reverse synthesis, but at one point there was a post on Yuka Hirata's blog that used "Confrontation Beast-Fist" in complete English on something that she found. It is pointless not to translate when the items are translatable.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * TV Nihhon's a example, though not one I would go for. I can argee that it's not pointless to "translate the translatable", but "what should be translated and what shouldn't", especially to go with a theme, is the matter. But I intend to gather more back up to settle this eventually. To those a bit miffed, I have no intend to infuriate. Fractyl 22:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Kensei
I found out that we should leave the Kensei alone as there is a pun behind the name: "Sensei" in the sense of a "ancient sage" or "Confucius", and in English terms, Sensei is a title for one who teaches martial arts. For the moments, I have used "Kensei" at the Gekijuuken page, with explaining of the term. It has been aproved for future references. Fractyl 22:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough of this. Do not unilaterally change anything else. It's the Fist Saints vs the Fist Demons. Sensei and Kensei do not even use the same kanji. "Fierce" and "Confrontation" may be switched to "Geki" and "Rin" but I'm not sure about that right now (激 and 臨 may have improper translations on our end). Please leave things as they are for now.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You didn't object when I provided the Kensei info, saying "whatever" to give me the OK. Plus, I never said the Kanji were the same, only a pun on "拳聖". 先聖 translates into Sensei in the terms of "Ancient Sage" or Confucius (Juuken did start in China, as well as the word Sensei itself). Furthermore, "Sensei" is a term used for a martial arts teacher worldwide. Fractyl 00:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The two are written differently (sensei and kensei) in Japanese. See Sensei.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 00:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course! Sensei can be translated in Kanji as 先生(Teacher) or 先聖 (Ancient Sage), furthering the pun's intend as the Kensei are both Teachers and Sages.

Kanji Search, Sensei Fractyl 01:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Geki/Rin
With my recent translating (google, wiktionary, etc.) it's becoming more evident that Geki (激) and Rin (臨) aren't "Fierce" and "Confrontation." "Geki" is "intense" or "exciting" and "Rin" is "approach" or "descend." "Geki" only means "fierce" when it's part of "fierce fighting" (激闘) and "Rin" has only been used as meaning "Confrontation" is at Yuka Hirata's blog and I'm not even sure that's official merchandise. The only other websites that use Wikipedia's translations are ones that plagiarize our entries.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 04:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a new reason to start using "Gekijuuken Beast Arts" and "Rinjuuken Akugata", less confusing and allows the start of the "names and puns" section to deal with numerous meanings. Fractyl 15:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, that may be less confusing for fan fanatics that constantly watch the show, but for someone that is simply trying to get into the show, all the untranslated terms that you expect people to know will ultimately make the article fail at informing people, even if you provide an explanation section later, it defeats the purpose. Floria L 16:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt that, but in a show like Gekiranger (or Fist of the North Star or Street Fight), untranslated terms are somewhat expected to go with the martial-arts theme. Fractyl 17:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yet "Fist of the North Star" is translated for its North American release from "Hokuto no Ken." We're not a fansite. We're an encyclopedia. And I just need a proper translation for the kanji that are read as "Geki" and "Rin" unless our translations are decent. It's bothersome to me with the massive amount of romaji in these articles for Kanji names (we get flack for translating "Bakuryuu" into "Blastasaur" and not "Blast Dragon")— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 18:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but I acceptabled "Blastasaur" as I got the pun. But I still believe Geki & Rin should be left alone, and be explained in a "note/puns" section on the main page. Besides, I'll think of a proper translation, I have seen enough of the show to devise the fitting English word. Fractyl 04:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Power Rangers Wiki
Hi, I want to introduce the Power Rangers Universe Wiki(a) to you. Maybe some of you have seen this wiki years ago, when it was nothing more than a copy of existing wikipedia articles to that wiki. That's because the founder of that wikia wiki, just creates it and the leave forever. Since that time some users found the wiki and work a little at it to make the basics. Since June i've adopted that wiki and worked a lot on the structure of the wiki, imported images and writing small articles. Currently there are only a few users active and I'm as the admin native German. There's a lot to do on the wiki and currently most users are working on the sentai series. To copy wikipedia is not the goal on the wiki, instead writing nearly everything about the power rangers and super sentai series, to make it to an great resource as http://rovang.org currently is. So if you asking why a power rangers wiki, wikipedia is also a place for power rangers articles, YES: but in the power rangers wiki should be everything from the pr universe and only those articles. It has much more space for episode guides and fast finding articles to single pr object. So if anyone or the Tokusatsu project is interested in creating a big power rangers resource: your are invited to join. By the way there is also an German, French (and a Polish) PRWiki which work together. -- Serpen 22:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not what I meant. I wanted you to at least register an account here and discuss the links to your page here. Right now, this isn't any better than any other spamming you've done here, Serpen.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not spamming, I'm asking if someon has interest, this is no demand for anyone to join. I won't create an account because I won't work on the englisch wiki. The few links i added to the existing link list and this article would be the only to thing I would ever do on the English Wikipedia. I won't discuss if the link i added were necassary, if you mean they were against the policy: it's okay. I just want to ask if some user may be interested -- Serpen 22:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Early Power Rangers ESA VAs
There's been quite a bit of editing to pages such as List of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers monsters (Season One) involving voice actors for the monsters. At this point, none of these can be supported by any reliable, non-OR source (while I respect SirSTACK's ear for VAs, everyone else's opinions kinda make his obsolete by association). Unless someone objects, I'm gonna start stripping all non-credits credited VAs in the next couple days. JPG-GR 05:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Need some help
I need some help on this project. I have been contributing significantly to various articles, including Seijuu Sentai Gingaman. Any comments or helpful information should be very much appreciated. Thanks. Greg Jones II 03:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

GA drive
I am considering a go for a GA drive on the Super Sentai articles. By all means, join me! Anyone who wants to join this drive sign here. Greg Jones II 14:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected
This page has been now semi-protected. This vandalism on Super Sentai articles is pointless. I find the lack of assuming good faith disturbing. Greg Jones II 23:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What now? The page is semiprotected because some idiot in Canada wants to get rid of all mentions of Power Rangers on Wikipedia, including this talk page. Check the history, and you'll see the issue at hand.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my comment above. I did not quite understand. That user doing this to get rid of all mentions of Power Rangers on Wikipedia is clearly not acceptable, so that is why the page was protected. Greg Jones II 23:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Need some assistance
I am trying to cite reliable sources for some sentai articles that don't have sources. If there are some reliable sources, let me know here. Greg Jones II 21:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey
With Floria taking a break, I need the aid in talking out certain matters that must be met Fractyl 00:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about Justiriser Pictures
Something happened to the Justiriser logo. It appears to be deleted!

Also, I'm very unfamiliar as to how an image is qualified for Wikipedia. Could I take some screenshots of the show at low resolution of each character or a group shot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exo Kopaka (talk • contribs) 03:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Need Help!
I found a copy on veoh.com of the RAW version of the final episode of Seijuu Sentai Gingaman but I need some help understanding the final battle footage since I found a few inacurate things in Zahab's profile I need help with. -24.20.219.52 08:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Episodes
Whenever I cruise Kamen Rider series articles, I always wince at the long, long lists of episodes. I know it was discussed previously, so I won't ask if the simple lists can be moved without episode synopsises{esesesss'z?), but rather if maybe they could be placed into tables within the article? A double-column deal, just to make it not such a massive block to scroll past. Admittedly, 50-ish lines isn't too awful, but it's still a pain in the ass. And if the Kabuto episode list is the standard, then I can start generating content for Hibiki, since that's what I'm starting to watch now. Or is the Hibiki hatred so intense that I've now doomed my wiki-reputation? Howa0082 05:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, since the Kamen Rider shows are television series, they should follow some of the writing guidelines of the Television Project. According to WikiProject Television/How to write about television programs, "a short list of episodes is sometimes appropriate in the main article. The list should be a table with the episode title, airdate, and a one- or two-sentence summary." Given that, if they are in the main show article, then they should be in table form. But since they are normally 49+ episodes per show, they probably shouldn't be there at all. Since most of the articles have a plot section, a see also or further inormation link to the episode list could be added there and the episode list removed. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC))

Recent Sentai-related AFDs
Recently, there have been multiple AFDs for articles relating to Super Sentai series: This is getting tiring, particularly when the subjects of the articles are notable, but are just filled with way too much plot summary rather than character biography or series information. Out of these, I only really expect for the monster and spell lists to be deleted (they're also not entirely necessary), but the more primary character lists such as that of the Orgs and Infershia are notable, but due to the language constraints the notability is difficult to convey.
 * Power Animal (Gaoranger)
 * Underground Hades Empire Infershia
 * Infershia Pantheon
 * Monsters in Mahou Sentai Magiranger
 * List of Magiranger spells
 * AkaRed
 * Ogre Tribe Org
 * Choudenshi Bioman

However, the plot summary aspects do need to be dealt with. For various characters' articles or lists of characters, we should definitely cut down on the excessive plot summary, and also on the more recent episode lists (they are huge on my large screen resolution). For the fictional character biographies, basically remove anything that could be construed as "spoilers" which effectively summarize the characters' activity throughout the whole program. For the List of Den-O episodes and List of Gekiranger episodes, I think they should be cut down to around six sentences such that the main points are put forward but not overly descriptive (think the preview and the resolution of what happened in the preview).

Any other suggestions?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the plot summaries need to be dealt with. We also need to cite sources per WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY. Some of the articles may contain original research and need to be removed as per WP:NOR. Greg Jones II 01:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
Does this Project have an assessment scheme, like other projects do? If not, should we not set this up? I'd like to be able to say "Yes, this is an important article. But it's not well-written. Get on that, you!" or "This is really well written. But it's about Godzilla's fifth lumbar frill. WTF." Howa0082 01:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There is nothing set up currently to that effect. We're a baby WikiProject at the moment, working its way through Pre-K.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * May I suggest at least an importance scale? Quality can come later, I suppose, but it'd be good to have importance on articles, to help folk know what's core to this wikiproject. Howa0082 (talk) 05:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Some Power Rangers articles may be to tense
I see that some Power Rangers character articles, expecially character articles about Power Rangers Mystic Force and Power Rangers Operation Overdrive characters are a bit tense for encyclopedia articles. There are even templates on some of their characters articles stating the tense is not suitable for an encyclopedia.

I see in Episode Name this, in Episode Name bla bla bla, in Episode Name that, in Episode Name this revealed, bla bla this that this; in Episode Name bla bla bla bla bla.

I think the tense on articles on PRMF and PROO Power Rangers characters and the lists of their characters should be removed as it does not look encyclopedic, and is too specific and time based. Mythdon (talk) 23:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Pardon?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you know how tense those articles are!. Mythdon (talk) 06:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not know what you mean. There is obviously a language barrier issue.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 06:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What i mean is grammatical tense, you know how sometimes you might talk about stuff in the form of when it happened. Mythdon (talk) 06:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes. That is an issue. The articles need to be written in the present tense, and the episodes need to be used as references.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I also have a suggestion that the Power Rangers: Jungle Fury characters not be written in the style that Mystic Force and Operation Overdrive were, because the in Episode Name bla bla bla is extremely unencyclopedic, because it can lead to adding random garbage to the Articles/Sections about the characters. Mythdon (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The episode titles serve as a reference as to what happened that is important for the particular character. Most of them relate to the actual biography of the fictional character and allow for fact checking. Extraneous details should be avoided, though.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 23:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So your saying that the episode titles are to be used as references in order to verify that episode contained that piece of information?. Mythdon (talk) 23:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 00:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox power rangers style
I would like to change the style of Template:Infobox Power Rangers to have the color "lightblue", just like on the Template:power rangers. Mythdon (talk) 07:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's an esoteric template. I'm not sure it would change that much.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by esoteric template?. Mythdon (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Information check
While on RC Patrol, I noticed a new editor added a succession box (which I fixed) to Ninja Storm Power Rangers. I have very minimal knowledge about Power Rangers so I can't tell if the information is correct or not. Reading the relevant articles just confused me since I don't know the series context. Can somebody please look it over? Thanks. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That was a good move. A "Second In Command" succession box is testy business since not all seasons made it clear who was 2IC; it's better a box like that be left out. Arrowned (talk) 08:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed that succession box; as well as cleaned up the mess that was stuff that happened at the end of S.P.D. with all of the promotions and demotions. That is easier described in text rather than five succession boxes.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 22:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not think a succession box for "Second in Command" is good either as it only wastes space and is easier to describe in text like you said. Mythdon (talk) 08:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)