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Proposed deletion of Cabin (truck)


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 * I see no reason to keep this article. Should be deleted. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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Truck infobox
Written in US English for commercial trucks meant to be sold in the United States. Not targeted for SUVs, buses, or US-built trucks meant to be sold outside the US. (Edited in later: Examples of how this might work can be found here.) Manufacturer/Manufacturers is assumed to be in the US, others noted. Could be manufactured by sucessive or re-named companies, different countries have different company names (country should be noted), sub-contractor, joint-venture.

Also sold as could be a name-change, different name in different country, or special edition/model

Plant/Plants built US assumed (City, State) one plant's location notable, one of many plants, overseas plants (City, State/Provence, Country)

Type could be Conventional or COE (cab-over-engine), body type (box, dump, etc.), weight class

Variants could be COE, Short hood, long hood, SFA (set forward axle), SBA (set back axle), day/crew/extended/sleeper/open/closed-cab, bus, bare chassis, low-profile, RHD (right-hand drive)

Predecessor/Successor

Weights

Load rating in #-ton (singular "ton" is used) is an old measurement of what the cab-chassis or bare chassis could carry. The weight of the body is not included, and reduces the payload. Other options also affect the payload. (Military truck ratings are the payload of a cargo truck). An actual payload rating (occasionally used) would be pounds(kg).

Class is the USDOT commercial vehicle weight class.

Gross Vehicle/Combination/Axle Weight Ratings are set by the manufacturer. They are not the legal or actual weights. "Vehicle Weight" is the total of all "Axle Weights". Tandem axles are weighed together as one. "Combination weight" is used for semi-tractors and trucks with trailers. The USDOT measures actual weight in pounds.

Dimentions

Bumper to axle is measured by US manufacturers in inches.

Bumper to back of cab is measured by US manufacturers in inches.

Length is measured in feet by the USDOT. Beginning in 1992 meters to two decimals are a legal equivalent.

Width is measured in inches by the USDOT. Beginning in 1992 meters to two decimals are a legal equivalent. Safety equipment such as mirrors and handles are not subject to width restrictions.

Height is measured in feet and inches by the USDOT. Beginning in 1992 meters to two decimals are a legal equivalent.

Powertrain

Engine/Engines if they use the same fuel and it is not notable. Engine type or model name/number could be noted.

Fuel engine/Fuel engines if different fuels are offered or if a fuel is notable. Engine type or model name/number could be noted.

Power is commonly measured in "Advertized horsepower", which can be either SAE gross (aka "brake") or SAE net horsepower, and could be noted if known. The engine speed (@ ### RPM) that the maximum horsepower is developed could be noted. A range could apply to all engines above it.

Torque is commonly measured in foot/pounds. The engine speed (@ ### RPM) that the maximum torque is developed could be noted. A range could apply to all engines above it.

Transmission/Transmissions are commonly #-speed (manual). Syncromesh, non-syncromesh, automatic, automated/clutchless manual, w/PTO, manufacturer/model could be noted.

Transmission/Transmissions (auxiliary) are commonly #-speed (manual). w/PTO, manufacturer/model could be noted.

Transfer case commonly (but not always) have a high (direct) and very low range. Part-time, part-time shift on the move, full-time, w/PTO, manufacturer/model could be noted.

Chassis

Front axle/Front axles are commonly an un-driven beam, driven beam, independent, portal, manufacturer/model could be noted.

Front suspension is commonly leaf springs, air with locating arms, coil with locating arms, independent could be noted.

Tires can be different sizes on different axles, different models can have different sizes, some models can have both single and dual tires.

Rear axle/Rear axles are commonly driven beams arranged as single, tandem (2 driven axles), or tridem (3 driven axles). Powered/un-powered combinations, 2-speed, double-reduction, manufacturer/model could be noted.

Rear suspension are commonly leaf springs or air-bags for each axle or a walking beam] (w/leaf, air, load cushion, solid mount) on tandems.

Lift axle/Lift axles are commonly un-driven beams. They can be next to a powered axle or a distance behind to increase wheelbase for bridge laws could be used.

Lift suspension are commonly air bags, hydraulic with gas cushioning could be noted.

Wheelbase/Wheelbases are measured in inches by US manufacturers. They measure wheelbases on tandems from the front axle to the centerline of the tandem. The USDOT measures wheelbase between the outside axles in feet and tandem/tridem axle spacing in inches. Beginning in 1992 meters to two decimals are a legal equivalent.

Brakes on HD trucks are commonly full-air with drum brakes, mechanical, hydraulic, hydraulic with vacuum assist, air over hydraulic, band, disc could be noted.

''Performance

Fuel capacity would be in gallons, different sizes and auxiliary tanks could be noted. Sammy D III (talk) 07:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you inviting comments, and if not ... what?
 * 1.  Slightly odd that you want to restrict it to the US market.   Wikipedia does not aspire to become a monoculture and English - my first language and I guess yours - is the leading world language.   I have never researched where you go for the largest number of English speakers, but I imagine it would be India or maybe - if you are happy to embrace those who would consider English their second or beyond language - China.   Those guys are also interested in wikipedia and in trucks.  Put another way, most of the readers you are targetting (or...) have never been to the US or the UK.
 * 2.  Even though you have taken amazing care to think of everything, please maximise flexibility.  There will always be stuff that is defining for individual models even if not generally applicable, especially if you start to track back into history.   We all think (I am told) in boxes, and wikipedia is a great place for discovering that all of us arrange our personal boxes differently.   That said (written) some folks' boxes are self-evidently crazily arranged (as in .... other folks').   At first blush yours make a whole lot of sense to me.
 * 3.  Although links in infoboxes can be overdone sometimes, for definitional reasons, they are the best available solution.   UK/US bonnet/hood and a thousand others.   I think what you call COE I grew up (in England) thinking of as "forward control", but as long as you include definitional links as necessary there's no strong reason to get knotted up by the splendid variability of the English language in its different home markets.   (Still struggling with SFA etc, though I guess I can probably work it out by applying logic...)
 * 4.  I understand that when Australia went metric they did it overnight.   Quite why the US and UK need more than half a century .... ach, politics
 * Thank you much.  Success Charles01 (talk) 08:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It was just a bored middle of the night dump, I had no long-term plan. I am surprised anyone responded at all, much less so fast.


 * 1. I understand US trucks and write in US English about them. My personal target is US middle/high schoolers. I believe you are looking for a more general box. If somebody wants to adapt this to different dialects or targets... I try to not be US-centric, I just use US English on US subjects.


 * 2. It is over-detailed intentionally, I would expect most of it to be thrown away. Thank you for "a whole lot of sense to me."


 * 3. I personally avoid links in infoboxes, but I do put footnotes in them (I didn't here). I have some "standard" footnotes (for anywhere, not just ibs) but did not list them here. SFA means the front axle is as far forward as possible, a straight bumper will be just in front of the tires. This makes the wheelbase as long as possible, often very important with US weight regulations (also more comfortable). SBA has the axle farther back, shorter wheelbase and more weight on the front axle. This only matters if you are comparing them, some US trucks have both models.


 * 4. The vast majority of the US is surveyed on a one-mile grid. Changing miles to kilometers would make most addresses wrong and affect countless legal documents. EDIT: Not meant to defend the system the Brits dumped on us, just that we are stuck with it.


 * Thank you for your time. Sammy D III (talk) 10:24, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Please go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_automobile#Template-protected_edit_request_on_20_September_2019 and share your opinion on whether or not track width should be added to the infobox, alongside wheelbase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IceIR (talk • contribs) 17:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)