Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey/Archive 6

2010 Bilecik train collision
I created the 2010 Bilecik train collision article yesterday. It's not been widely reported in English language sources, but is likely to be widely reported in Turkish language sources. Are there any members of this WikiProject who are able to expand the article? Mjroots (talk) 07:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

A call for discussion
Certain important figures of Turkish cultural history appear in Wikipedia. But their names are usually distorted. Nasrudin for Nasrettin Hoca, Rumi instead of Mevlana, Mahmud al-Kashgari instead of Kaşgarlı Mahmut etc. Same is true for Great Seljuk Empire. Seeing that these non Turkish names are strictly kept, I tried to add Turkish versions in parathesis with the use of Lang-tr template. But even these names in parenthesis were immediately cleared out on the ground that these articles have nothing to do with Turkish. It seems somebody has these names in his or her watchlist. So, all I could do is to create some redirects. There is also a problem with the name İstanbul. Whenever there is a reference to the history of İstanbul, somebody immediatelly changes it to Constantinople. Even the name İstanbul in an article created by me has been moved to Constantinople. (eg. Treaty of Constantinople (1533)) I think the usage of proper Turkish names in Wikipedia should be discussed. (In my opinion proper names must not be translated.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree to this point, there are references to Istanbul as Constantinople even in some articles dating early 20th century. I think the specific names should be used considering their date and historical facts. yigit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.5.13.135 (talk) 10:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Kardzhali DYK
Hi guys, a Bulgarian contributor has written an article about the Battle of Kardzhali of 1912, when the city became part of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. As we were unable to find any western or Turkish sources, the article relies mostly on Bulgarian descriptions of the skirmishes and the progress of the battle. It would be great if anybody can add Turkish references to the article, to ensure its neutral point of view. A couple of us have reviewed the article and we don't think it's POV in its description, but you never know.

The article has been submitted to Did you know? and I'm going to go ahead and approve it, so if you see any issues, please do post there or on the article talk page. Again, any Turkish or western references will be appreciated. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 16:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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B not-L P concern
Perhaps what is written about Matild Manukyan is common knowledge in Turkey and perhaps the references given in the article back it up. I am ignorant of Turkey and cannot read Turkish. Still, I worry that it might just be a smear by somebody who doesn't like her descendants. Even if the woman is dead, claims of the kind appearing in that article really require fine-grained sourcing, I think. Morenoodles (talk) 08:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Köçek
This article was largely written by a used who has now been banned by the ArbCom. Please have a look at it for more or less obvious POV pushing. Thanks, Pcap ping  15:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, the tellak section of turkish bath might need a look. It was merged from an article created by the same user. Pcap ping  15:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Caucasus Campaign
There seems to be an edit war going on this article.Talk:Caucasus_Campaign It seems to be the aim is to removal all the references to the Destruction and Death inflicted on the Ottoman side is constantly removed from the article. These WP:POV edits makes the article claim all the destruction was on Armenians property and life. For the interested users. ALso if you have better sources than Armenian sources regarding this campaign... --Ahmet1992 (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Artos mountains
The description for Image:Van1 20 modified.jpg mentions "Berg Çadır Dağı", which in the TR wikipedia is called Artos. But Artos has a different meaning here, so should it be Artos (mountains) or Çadır Dağı? -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 14:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Soxred93's tools
User:Soxred93 has now created tools for tr-Wiki. Now contributors to tr-Wiki can use these tools for Turkish Wiki. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  23:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at this!
Could some one with a wide knowldge of history and its relation to genetics take a look at this. It dose not look right for me but I don't have a good knowdlge of the topic. Amir.azeri (talk) 14:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The article has been created in 2008 and the main emphasis has been given on DNA data. However the people of modern Turkey and Azerbaijan has been compared with  ancient Xiongnu people who were thought to be the reference. This comparation shows a weak correlation. But the basis for this  comparasion is not clear. The relation between Xiongnu people and early Turks is debatable. A DNA analysis based on the Oghuz people of the 8th cetury or even Turkic people of 6th century may be more reliable.
 * On the other hand the article doesn’t explain why Turkish is spoken in Turkey and Azerbaijan. Elite dominance theory is cited where the minority language is imposed on the majority. But this theory is irrevelant; because there is no indication of imposed language in the history and even the author notes that it is illogical to be able to change the entire language of a sedentary population. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Portal of TRNC
I want to have a portal of TRNC can you help me to setup the portal? Maverick16 (talk) 20:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Erdoğan Büyükkasap and Erzincan University
Could an editor please take a look at Erdoğan Büyükkasap and Erzincan University? Both articles were created recently. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

HIH Prince Konstantin V Mustafaev
The article HIH Prince Konstantin V Mustafaev has been tagged for speedy deletion. The person claims to be part of the House of Osman of the Ottoman Empire. I cannot immediately verify the claims. I would be grateful if you could take a look at the article and make any changes that seem appropriate. I have also posted this message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

The descendants don't know that we are writing translated information on Wikipedia, None of them claims anything. It's facts which were released by Turkish Archive and now we finishing last articles for translation.

(Arch-TRHO 15:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC))

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Malazgirt not NPOV & Yasilova Incident original research, no representation of Ottoman civilians lost that are of Turkish descent.
I am new to editing in Wikipedia and have only recently created an account. I intend to correct the many mistakes about the republic of Turkey.

The Malazgirt article in Wikipedia is definitely not NPOV as the Armenian author of the page has used the "Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia" as his/her references, this encyclopedia due to the emnity of Soviet and present day Armenia is highly suspect in it's information I have requested in the talk section of the page that a Turkish or internationally distributed encyclopedic reference be used. Also during the cold war at the time of the compilation of the encyclopedia the borders between Turkey and the U.S.S.R were effectively closed so the logic is how can then this encyclopedia be used as a factually corrent source of information if borders were closed preventing the free movement of both people & information?

The author of the page using the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia claims "The Seljuks pillaged Manzikert itself, killed much of its population, and burned the city to the ground." which can be suspected of POV since another source that is not politically biased in the information it presents should have been used.

The author of the Malazgirt page also presents original research and claims by Robert Fisk about the supposed 'Yasilova Incident' given that the militaries involved being Turkey & the U.K have denied to talk or release statements regarding this alleged incident the sole party claiming that this incident ever occurred is Robert Fisk himself. The author of the Yasilova Incident page is also while using 6 references is in actuality using the single reference of the testimony of Robert Fisk as all references are reproductions of the same materials into different mediums (interview, book etc.).

As I do not know how to do so can somebody please tag these pages as POV & the author's contribution to these pages as COI thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AussieSkeptic82 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

On the following talk page Talk:Turkish_genocide which can be reached by typing the search criterion "Turkish genocide" I have indicated for someone who has the appropriate references to list the civilian losses of the Ottoman empire who are of Turkish descent during the period from the second balkan war right up to the Turkish war of independence.

I believe to not list the civilian losses experienced by the Ottoman empire during it's final years but to list claims by all others of the claimed civilian losses brought about by Ottoman military and para-militaries is a gross mis interpretation of history.

Can somebody please flesh that page out and list the civilian losses experienced by the Ottoman state during those years, the obvious one is civilian losses caused by foriegn powers but also civilian losses resulting from disease and hunger should also be listed. The page should also be protected as to prevent those with political agendas from deleting the content and reverting back to a simple and offensive redirect page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AussieSkeptic82 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Turkic peoples
It's an important article to this project and it has been locked recently due to a dispute. Please take a look at the talk page. --Mttll (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Taifatul Mansurah (Victorious Sect)? Pan-Turkish jihadist group
I've run across a few references to this Turkish-speaking organisation, so started a stub article at Victorious Sect. I can't read Turkish very well, but hoped someone here might now of reputable/footnotable sources that give more information about this group. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Szigetvár nominated for GA
Battle of Szigetvár, an article within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, has just been nominated for GA. Any kind of help or comments would be appreciated. Kebeta (talk) 18:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

FAR
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Turkish Research Program
Mabuhay! This one needs some project help to get it inline with WP guidelines. I recently removed a PROD but some improvement is needed if it is to stay in the encyclopedia. Thanks for helping.--Mike Cline (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Anatolian Seljuk Sultanate and Anatolian Turkish Beyliks
It would be a good idea to keep a watch over the above-mentioned articles and to those articles and categories related to these. Many edits made over these do not leave the impression of having been made in all serious, sound knowledge and good faith. Two category name change proposals were made recently and in none of these occasions, someone thought it useful to leave a note here to inform other users who might be interested. If moves and significant edits are made for Duchy of Głogów, it is normal that it should interest Poles primarily, if it is the case for the Republic of Texas, it is normal that Texans will play a key role in determining content and terminology. (Selçuklu tarihini ite çakala bırakmayalım, dengeli tutarlı maddeler oluşturabileceğimize inanıyorum - I believe we can work out balanced and coherent articles on the subject:) You can follow the discussions at Category talk:Sultanate of Rûm. Regards. Cretanforever (talk) 11:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Turkey Football years
I'm crossposting this to both the Turkey and Football in hopes that someone from one or the other project will have knowledge to assist.

Two new short stubs have been added to the project. Turkish First Football League 1956–57 and Turkish First Football League 1957–58. These claim to be the first and second years of Football in Turkey. These appear to contradict the Süper Lig page and the 1959 Milli Lig page, both of which say that the league was formed in 1959. I do not personally have any information on whether there is a hoax in progress here, might the existing pages be incorrect, or what else might be responsible for the contradiction. I'm hoping that someone who actually knows what is going on here could assist in the handling of these two new pages. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Murat Akser AfD
This unreferenced biography of a Turkish-Canadian film director has been nominated for deletion. If anyone here would like to take an interest, please visit the Articles for deletion/Murat Akser discussion page.--Plad2 (talk) 23:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Rakı at AfD
The article Rakı has been proposed for deletion: Articles for deletion/Rakı. --Lambiam 04:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Gave my opinion and voted Keep. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:34, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

"Ottoman" flag
If anyone is knowledgeable or has access to good sources on early Ottoman flags, please take a look at this discussion. Thanks in advance, Constantine  ✍  20:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Districts vs cities
Right now it appears that all districts are represented in the same article as the corresponding city for which the district is named. For starters, the geography really needs a size of the city versus the size of the district. If there is a large discrepancy, we really need to have an article for the district, separate from the city. Right now, the articles overlap. This is generally not desirable. Student7 (talk) 21:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Anatolianism at AfD
The article Anatolianism has been proposed for deletion: Articles for deletion/Anatolianism. --Lambiam 22:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

MV Avrasaya
I've expanded the MV Avrasaya article. It now needs reassessment. Mjroots2 (talk) 09:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Qeparo
Kleparo.
 * An editor put the verify tag here: Qeparo. I'm not sure why he put it there: he either suspects I falsified the source, or doubts that Halil Inalcik is a reliable source, I don't know. The Sûret is A Copy of the Fiscal Survey of the Sanjak of Albania in 1431 A.D. The entry on Qeparo/Kleparo reads: The village of Klaparos, nahiye of Sopot: houses 10, revenues 615 ase/akçe Beserks (talk) 09:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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Ottoman provinces
FYI, Kars Province, Ottoman Empire and Karaman Province, Ottoman Empire have been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

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Serdar Saygı
Serdar Saygı isn't obviously notable, but then I can't read Turkish. Am I missing some significance? -- Hoary (talk) 09:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Kurdish population in Turkey
User:Takabeg is insisting that the Kurdish population [see Kurdish diaspora ] could be 40% as of 2010 and will be 50% of Turkey's population by 2025 using this source: http://www.wilsoncenter.org/subsites/ccpdc/pubs/kur/chap04.pdf The source states that in 1996 there was a 'fear expressed by the NSC was that Kurds would make up 40 pecent of the population by 2010, and 50 percent by 2025'. But this statement does not make it a fact right? Turco  85 ( Talk ) 23:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Üff. I'm not insisting :) Sources give information about the increase of Kurdish population in Turkey. I only transfer these information. Takabeg (talk) 23:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The source does not give that information; it merely uses another source: the Milliyet newspaper which reported this 'fear' [as it calls it] in December 18, 1996. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 23:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Bülent Ecevit
Can someone take a look at Bülent Ecevit. Some sources claim that he may have Kurdish roots. Are these source reliable enough. And should such a claim be placed in the introduction?  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 00:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

POV Problem in the wiki article Anatolia
In this article it is exactly stated that "Anatolia remained multi-ethnic until the early 20th century (see the rise of nationalism under the Ottoman Empire). During World War I, the Armenian Genocide, the Greek genocide (especially in Pontus), and the Assyrian Genocide almost entirely eliminated the Armenian and Assyrian populations of Anatolia, as well as a large part of its ethnic Greek population." Ok, we can't expect everyone to believe the same thing, but at least it has to be rephrased and stated that this is still a theory and not uniformly accepted, so that it will at least not suffer from POV —Preceding unsigned comment added by DenizCc (talk • contribs) 16:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Please move this discussion to the page on Anatolia. It does not belong here. Okay to ask here for comments. Student7 (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Basilica of St.John in Ephesus
Hello, I am a student at San Francisco State University. As a class project, I will be editing the page on the Basilica of St. John. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeijiX (talk • contribs) 04:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC) <!--Autosigned by SineBot