Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States/Archive 3

FAR
Music of the United States has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

A WikiProject or task force for "U.S. presidential elections"
Hi, As I see there are several editors who work on the articles about "the U.S. presidential elections". I wanted to join but I couldn't find any wikiproject or task force relates to this issue. I propose making at least a task force in WikiProject United States. -- Seyyed(t-c) 10:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a more suitable place for a task force: WikiProject U.S. Presidents-- Seyyed(t-c) 10:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Since there are so many articles that pertain to elections and many editors as well, I think it would be best for a wikiproject to be started.-- S    TX   22:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (Reluctantly:) Thank you, and I second making US presidential elections either a WikiProject or a task force and will join if it appears. My leaning will of course be toward the current election, but it's a fine way to broaden my scope. STX is right about the wide range of potential articles (42 notable candidates this year, to start with, and over 30 other relevant articles), and I would add that members should have an above-average sensitivity to nonbias and proper weight-- and drivers should be prepared to handle disputes with above-average care and should include an admin or two. STX and I have collaborated well. On the project page we might specifically warn members against partisan editing. John J. Bulten 10:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:USA Award
I have created a WP:USA barnstar, before uploading it, I just want to know if you guys actually want a barnstar to award to people, i dont want to just upload one and be stepping on peoples toes or anything, so just reply if you support or oppose the idea. Cheers (♠  Taifar  ious1  ♠) 10:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea and believe we should have for this project to recognize contributions that benefited articles under the purview of this project. Do you have a sample somewhere? -- Kimon talk 15:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, its just a test, it's going to be modified to make it cleaner but heres the prototype, Image:Burnstart - USA.PNG, just leave ur suggestions on the talk page and ill see ways that I can improve it. (♠  Taifar  ious1  ♠) 03:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is what the award looks like, does everyone like the way it looks?? (♠  Taifar  ious1  ♠) 04:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks nice, but is it possible to mention the name of the project or perhaps include a link to it. Otherwise I really the graphic. Great job! Regards,  Signature brendel  22:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean something like that? (♠  Taifar  ious1  ♠) 23:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, like that. Good job, thanks.  Signature brendel  04:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No probs, do you want me to put it up on the project page so you can officially give it away to deserving participants? (♠  Taifar  ious1  ♠) 10:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Unusual request
Hi. I'm finding difficulty in gaining non expert reviews of Sid Barnes, a biog of a former cricketer.

Since there is a stereotype of US indifference (or worse!) to cricket, I thought this might be a good place to round up some well-meaning, experienced Wikipedians who know little or nothing about cricket, to test out whether the jargon in the article is comprehensible with the wikilinks etc.

The article is currently at FAC. Please do pop over to Featured article candidates/Sid Barnes and critique it.

Many thanks, --Dweller (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. NB As a non-American and a frequenter of PR and FAC, I'd be happy to review any of this WikiProject's articles. Just drop me a line at my talk page. --Dweller (talk) 12:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The link is Featured article candidates/Sid Barnes --Dweller (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

CIA Articles
A new user who seems pretty intelligent (no pun) on CIA articles has been contributing some good, but difficult to use stuff. I've started a general template Template:Central Intelligence Agency because the article needed one anyway. But If there is a better prose writer who could help with this, it owuld be much appreciated. Mbisanz (talk) 06:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Strange sections on main project page
This edit seems to have transcluded into various WikiProjects, including this one. I'm not quite sure if the original editor meant to use WP:CBTF but there's some weird stuff about communities and adopting abandoned babies in New Zealand as a result. I suggest removing everything below the section titled "Members". &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 05:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln assassination GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I have left this message at this WikiProjects's talk page since the article falls under its scope and so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed Abraham Lincoln assassination and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. I left messages for the other WikiProjects/task forces and the main contributors to the article so that the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request
Dear all. A peer review has been requested for the article Allegations of state terrorism committed by the United States. Your comments on how best to improve it would be appreciated. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

History task force
What would you guys say to an American history task force of WP:HIST? We don't currently have many people interested in this, so we'd like this project to provide some editors.-- Phoenix -  wiki  20:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. We've been talking about this on WP:HAWAII. Even if this project won't support it, you could just start the task force and just ask the descendent projects to join.  If you do start it, let us know so we can change the template and start tagging American history articles relevant to the history of Hawaii. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 12:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Treaty of Tripoli
The Treaty of Tripoli page has gone through some major revisions as of late. Could people weigh in on the issue if the controversy section should be expanded (I say no, because it will just create feuding about "POV balance") and re-examine the page. Also, if there is anything that can be added in regards to U.S. history, Adams, Jefferson, etc, that would help. Thanks. Ottava Rima (talk) 06:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Square Deal
Can someone take a look at Square Deal? There seems to have been significant vandalism and deletion this month, I think the last good copy is from Jan.10, but I'm not sure. 70.55.85.35 (talk) 05:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Reflists in US City articles
I randomly came across Lone Elm, Kansas and noticed that the footnotes were unclickable. I added a reflist template and they showed up OK. I checked the rest of Anderson County, Kansas and all but one of the seven "cities" had no reference section. I fixed those, then looked around a bit.

I see that Danville, Iowa also has unclickable footnotes. It looks as though maybe there could be a very large number of these situations and not easily fixable by hand. Presumably a lot of information was created/added by a bot and this aspect was missed.

If this is indeed a problem, it looks like this will be best handled by a bot. I'm not gonna check every city, town and village in the US, so I thought I'd just pass this along. Cheers! Franamax (talk) 05:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the result of a recent conversion (since the beginning of the month) of the various versions of the templates, used in every municipality and CDP article nationwide.  A bot has already been requested, and I expect that we should see work beginning pretty soon.  Nyttend (talk) 14:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Indiana is up for Featured portal candidate discussion
Portal:Indiana is up for Featured portal candidate discussion. Your comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Indiana. Cirt (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC) Actually, at this point in time all of the Featured portal candidates up for discussion are relevant to this WikiProject. Your comments would be appreciated at all of those discussions. Cirt (talk) 11:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Update

Peer review for Virginia
After not getting any suggestions the first time I nominated Virginia for peer review last month, I put it up a second time here. Still without a review, I'm asking where I can for editors to help give suggestions on our article. Thanks!--Patrick Ѻ 02:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

American Revolution GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed American Revolution and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with other task forces/WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Requests
Isn't there a requested articles page for the US somewhere? Richard001 (talk) 10:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Date of formation of the United States?
The editors of the United States article have settled on 1776 as being the foundation of the state (I note with concern though that this date lacks any external referencing, per official Wikipedia policy WP:VERIFY).

But this article - List of countries by formation dates - claims that the 'Date of statehood' of the United States was actually 1787 (again, completely unreferenced). Both articles cannot be correct, so which is it? Please come to the party armed with some proper external refs, per official Wikipedia policy WP:VERIFY. --Mais oui! (talk) 11:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The question really is: Which United States of America are we talking about. The Confederation that existed under the Article of Confederation certainly dates from 1776, but the Federal Union that exists today under the US Constitution only dates from 1789. The States - as organized governments - date in most cases from 1776, although some have organizational histories that predate that year. For example, New York had an organized government since its Dutch Days as New Netherlands which continued to function right up to the date when it declared its independence from Britain. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 20:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

EARLY US HISTORY
It has occurred to me that you guys are starting this project too far forward in time. You need to go back and show how the arrival of the various European powers started the ball rolling that eventuated in the US coelescing the way it did. For example, the various Anglo-Dutch wars that resulted in Britain trading Curacao for New Netherlands, and the Dutch and British adjusting the border between Connecticut and New Netherlands, and even the Dutch and the British establishing a border partitioning Long Island. Those are just examples, but you get the idea. We all have looked at American History as a pre-packaged history where we opened a box, and the USA jumped out fully formed. Of course, that is not true, but that is the impression that you've arrived at. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

FAR notice for the Bill of Rights (please discuss here)
United States Bill of Rights has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 09:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Main page nomination for Manzanar
With the 39th Annual Manzanar Pilgrimage coming up on April 26, I have nominated Manzanar to be on Wikipedia's main page on that date. Please add your support for that at Today's featured article requests. Thank you! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Blackstone Hotel
Can someone tell me if Blackstone Hotel belongs in this project. Drop a note on my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Jackson and Hitler
This is being posted at this project page based on the recommendations of Dispute resolution. There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Andrew Jackson.

The issue is whether an article in a Swedish language newspaper quoting a professor of comparative religion constitutes a reliable source justifying linking Jackson’s Indian Removal policy with Hitler’s Final Solution attempt to exterminate the Jewish race. There is a wealth of credible, academic material available to offer valid and harsh criticisms of Jackson’s policy without resorting to the extremes of comparisons with Hitler.

In any event, I would appreciate anybody with an opinion on the subject to weigh in at the Jackson link above. As the matter stands, there is only one editor supporting retaining the language, but I am not sure that a consensus for removing it currently exists (many in opposition are IPs or infrequent editors). Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

2008 Major League Soccer season standings
For those of you who cares about American soccer, there is a discussion about the standings format here and there is a vote of consensus here. The topic is about whether to use Wins-Losses-Ties or to use Wins-Draws-Losses. Kingjeff (talk) 16:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Peer Review
I have requested a peer review of the CIA main article, in order to gain some new perspective on the page. I invite anyone interested to please contribute their thoughts. Please find the peer review page for it here. Thanks! (Morethan3words (talk) 10:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC))

CfD nomination of Category:United States ghettos
The related Category:United States ghettos has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

Merge proposal
There's been a merge suggestion on Talk:Celebrations_of_the_September_11%2C_2001_attacks.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  19:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Article requests
Perhaps this project should have its own article requests page, separate from the larger list I have linked to recently on the project page (Requested articles/Other categorization schemes)? Richard001 (talk) 05:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

American mutilation of Japanese war dead
Hi, there has been an ongoing discussion of the balance of this article over the last few months, and any comments from members of this project would be very welcome. Nick Dowling (talk) 08:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Some sources on the topic are: --Stor stark7 Speak 13:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Simon Harrison "Skull Trophies of the Pacific War: transgressive objects of remembrance" Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute (free download)
 * James J. Weingartner "Trophies of War: U.S. Troops and the Mutilation of Japanese War Dead, 1941-1945" Pacific Historical Review (available from JSTOR)
 * The May 22, 1944. Life Magazine "picture of the week" (Image)
 * American troops 'murdered Japanese PoWs' The telegraph article.
 * War against subhumans: comparisons between the German War against the Soviet Union and the American war against Japan, 1941-1945 The Historian 3/22/1996, Weingartner, James
 * Racism in Japanese in U.S. wartime propaganda The Historian 6/22/1994 Brcak, Nancy; Pavia, John R.

Ribbon
Hello Ive created a ribbon for The WikiProject United States Barnstar of National Merit. Hope you like it. .  Electrical  Experiment 14:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Signifying
Would any of you be able to clarify this bewildering article? &mdash; Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   05:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

American middle class GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed American middle class and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article and other related WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 16:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have also reviewed Pornography in the United States and it has several issues that need to be addressed as well. If you have any questions, please let me know on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Social class in the United States is also on hold. Please let me know if you have any questions. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 05:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 822 of the articles assigned to this project, or 36.2%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics
This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist 10:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  21:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)