Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Urban studies and planning/Archive 3

demographia.com
Your input is very welcome at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. User:Elockid suggested here that it would be a good idea to post at this page, as we are considering now removing all the figures and accompanying references where they exist. Please feel free to comment at the reliable sources noticeboard. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Correct link: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_161. This is archive. So? Subtropical-man (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, source of demographia.com exists on dozens or hundreds of articles, why no one has been informed? This is too big a change in Wikipedia that made ​​it a few people with quiet/hidden discussion about which no one knows. Furthermore, in my opinion Demographia is reliable source, better source than UN or similar. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

After consultation, I restart discussion about the source Demographia: World Urban Areas. New discussion is here. Ping to participants of WikiProject Urban studies and planning: Mcginnly, Chriswaterguy, Aude, Nick, CQ, CComMack, Chaerani, Rickyrab, TonyBoswell, DWaterson, Uneirlys, Bjrobinson, Dogears, Bossi, Isles, H Padleckas, Futurano, Midwestmax, Hydrogen Iodide, treekiller, Trulystand700, MRSC, Parkwells, Mesmith9, Bhockey10, Damian Doyle, Daniel Case, AlexPlante, Kagcole, Elekhh, Wittyallusion, Stevevance, Pondle, Jcovarru, MetroFan, Yclept:Berr, Jon314, PhantomPlugger, Mar4d, MakeBelieveMonster, LNWWatcher, Lggernon, Mwtwgt, NehemiahAnkoor, NehemiahAnkoor, PatSunter, Feihuamengxue. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Urban Studies and Planning At Wikimania 2014
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Leaflet for Wikiproject Urban Studies and Planning at Wikimania 2014 (updated version)
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Ecological Factors in Design
You might be interested in a Wiki Education Foundation class at USC called "Ecological Factors in Design" is happening this fall semester. I'm sure these students would appreciate your input. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 16:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Urban studies and planning articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 00:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The term viewshed is used very often to simply refer to a "valuable" view that is publicly visible from a publicly shared thoroughfare. The Wikipedia definition of viewshed is too complicated and confusing to be of use in the arena of land use, where it is perhaps most commonly and usefully used. 75.161.122.204 (talk) 02:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The term viewshed is used very often to simply refer to a "valuable" view that is publicly visible from a publicly shared thoroughfare. The Wikipedia definition of viewshed is too complicated and confusing to be of use in the arena of land use, where it is perhaps most commonly and usefully used.75.161.122.204 (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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The usage of Stanley Park is under discussion, see Talk:Stanley Park (disambiguation) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Should there be a Vancouver-centric split of Chinese Canadians in British Columbia?
Should there be a Vancouver-centric split of Chinese Canadians in British Columbia?

See Talk:Chinese_Canadians_in_British_Columbia WhisperToMe (talk) 05:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Urban Planning and Urban Planner Articles
Hello WikieProject Urban studies and planning, Are there any editors out there willing to help revise the urban planning and urban planner articles to improve their quality and resolve the article issue tags/problems? It looks like things haven't improved since 2013... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.131.160 (talk) 19:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Expansion of overurbanization
Hello! As a part of a course on Human Development in Global and Local Communities, I am working on expanding the page on overurbanization. The article is currently both a stub and an orphan, so I hope to expand it and connect it to other related pages. Since there is a decent amount of controversy around the definition, I plan to include an extensive section on how scholars have defined overurbanization and the characteristics of a city that is "overurbanized." I then want to break the article up by region. Most of the research I have found so far is on Sub-Saharan Africa and Asia, but I do not want to limit the article in scope of other regions that might be experiencing this phenomenon. I hope to create sections for these regions, and sub-sections with the historical background, causes, impact, and policy response. This seems to be most appropriate from my initial research, but I would really appreciate any suggestions on how this might be better organized. Currently, I am drawing research from economics and sociology journals such as Economic Development and Cultural Change and Sociological Quarterly. I also plan to use the book "Third World Cities in Global Perspective: The Political Economy of Uneven Urbanization" by David Smith, though I hope to find more books that discuss urbanization. I would really appreciate any feedback on how I should approach writing this article. One concern that I have is that in many cases where this phenomenon is occurring, the term "overurbanization" may not be explicitly used in scholarly research, so I may end up excluding some regions unintentionally. Any feedback would be very appreciated! Rgalts (talk) 22:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge: Rent regulation and Rent control
Please see Talk:Rent_regulation. So far I've had no response.

Thanks. --Langus (t) 20:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Is Citypopulation.de really WP:RS?
Several articles about urban studies seem to use the web-site Citypopulation.de as their source, either exclusively or alongside other sources. From what I can gather, Citypopulation.de is the personal project of one Thomas Brinkhoff and, as such, does not meet the WP:RS standards. Unless it can be shown to meet WP:RS, I suggest it be removed from the Wikipedia articles that currently use it. Jeppiz (talk) 18:59, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Cleanup of Urban Renewal
I've noticed that the Urban renewal article has multiple sections that appear to be in need of cleanup, as they have grown to be excessively long lists, or are written in an unencyclopedic tone. The article appears to be largely inactive, and so I'm posting a notice here. Thank you. Exarion1 (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Let's merge slum and shantytown
See my rationale at Talk:Slum. As nearly two weeks have gone without anyone comment, I'd appreciate if members of this project (for which those articles are in scope) would take a look at this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposal for a new WikiProject
Hello there, I have just proposed a new WikiProject be started; National Parks of the United Kingdom and I was wondering whether you would be able to come and have a look at the proposal and join the discussion. Thanks for looking.  Seagull123  Φ  14:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Does this project have an article alerts section?
Article alerts are used to bring relevant articles to the attention of editors of a wikiproject. Examples are when articles are proposed for a featured status, or conversely when they are facing deletion. Here is the articles alerts section in WikiProject Architecture: WikiProject Architecture/Article alerts. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Micropolitan Statistical Area listed at Requested moves
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Combined Statistical Area listed at Requested moves
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Request for comment: Lead sentence for train or railway stations
In what way should the lead sentence of articles dealing with railway stations or train stations be fashioned? See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style/Lead section. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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Origin and Political Goals on your WikiProjects page
I have found this site just now and I am confused by those two parts at the top. I myself am not a native english speaker, but I feel the parts Origin and Political Goals are not grammatically acurate. I also had the sense that they didn't fit in quite well with the rest of your page and on top of that they weren't of the best content (sole focus on Rome and Romanesque architecture in a urban studies an planning articel? The Roman Empire controlling the entire continent?). I felt like bringing that to your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.229.240.75 (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that. The text definitely didn't belong on the project page. It should be fixed now. - Eureka Lott 17:28, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Urban Cluster
Why is there no page for Urban Cluster? We have talk about it on the US Urban area page and we have a list of all urbanized areas in the US. No similar list of Urban Clusters.

In Hawaii there are no incorporated cities (besides city and county of Honolulu), so the towns are called Census Designated Places, and are noted as such in their Wikipedia articles. Some, but not all of these, are also Urban Clusters, and some Urban Clusters encompass multiple CDP's. Here on Kauai we have elected officials who balk at the term "urban" when discussing any place on this island. Perhaps having more descriptions of these areas as "urban clusters" will help educate people on the fact that there is some degree of urbanization, even though the population is not high enough to be considered an "urbanized area"? A list of urban clusters in the US might be worthwhile, not sure how hard it would be to just export the Census data to a table in Wikipedia.

Would it also be reasonable to modify the articles for those places that are also urban clusters noting as much, or defining both the CDP and the urban cluster by that name?

MacsAre1 (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Define urban cluster using universal terms. One of the inherent problems is that while this is true of Hawaii, most other US States have legally defined categories for incorporated bodies such as counties, cities, townships, regional development organizations and others. Now try to define this same term for other countries/systems. Right now Urban cluster redirects to United States urban area which describes the concerns you have regarding Hawaii's land tenure system. It might be appropriate to add information there. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 17:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Guidance on articles about urban form


Greetings, urban students and planners,

Working on the article City and all of the subtopics which this article must encompass has revealed a set of overlapping articles about urban geography. In particular I invite you to examine the articles titled Urban structure, Urban spatial structure, Urban morphology. Secondarily one might include Urban area, Urban geography, and Urban field. Certainly each of these terms has different connotations, and I'm not suggesting that any need to be deleted or merged (though I wouldn't recommend against it, either.)

My question is: where should be the main place to give an overview of different city forms, including planned and unplanned elements? Grid plan, concentric model (Concentric zone model?), "geomorphic", etc; see also Category:City layout models. My guideline in this is Matrix of Man: An Illustrated History of Urban Environment by Sibyl Moholy-Nagy but of course there are many sources available.

Should these all be fit into City? Should Urban geography be chosen even though right now it tilts toward describing the discipline of "urban geography"? Urban spatial structure, as most precise, though the name is a bit obscure? Urban area seems like a bad choice since it's already well-populated and laid out rather differently. (in the subtitle of Matrix of Man) redirects to Urban area. Or dare I suggest the yet-unsettled Urban form, which might be the most conventional name for this topic?

Thank you for your attention and perhaps assistance. groupuscule (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What you are running into is the lack of order in the chaos that is urban related articles. I would suggest that Urban structure and Urban spatial structure should be merged. Urban morphology is about how the structure changes and should be a separate article. Urban Area, Urban geography are separate quality topics. Urban field cites no sources and is an operational definition for urban planners. It likely should be deleted or merged with urban agriculture.


 * To your primary question, I recommend that Urban structure should be the main location for city form, models, etc. City structure should probably redirect there as the two are generally synonymous regardless of legal terms. City is less specific but should have a wikilink to Urban structure. Urban geography in the english wikipedia is the academic field and not the study so that is a conflict we likely cannot resolve without consensus. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Area redevelopment plan proposed for deletion
See Articles for deletion/Area redevelopment plan. Hwy43 (talk) 05:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Planning to add "Gentrification of Chicago" article
Hello, I am currently a student enrolled in a course at Rice University, Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities. I am planning of writing an article on the gentrification in Chicago. Please see my user page for more information and my talk page for any comments or questions. I will also have more information in my sandbox.Thanks! Cbadillo29 (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)