Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive/Artix Entertainment

Player vs. character
Has there already been discussion and subsequent consensus on how to properly emphasize the difference between a player (i.e. someone playing the game) and a character (i.e. an in-game hero being controlled by a player)? Is there some general rule (or specifically a Wiki-policy) to be followed when distinguishing between player and character?

I ask because I see examples where the term "player" is being used though the intended implication is "playable-character". In these cases, I would personally prefer the term "character" be used. Any other opinions?

-- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I don't have a problem with you changing the wording. Alinnisawest (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ebilgames
This article needs help! It's still at stub status. We need to clean it up and add to it. I really want to get those tags off the top of the article. I added a screenshot and reworded some of the descriptions, but it still needs a *lot* of work. Alinnisawest (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why not add other features it has, like Ask Zorbak. Put more descriptions for each game, as in if the game is of some importance to the 3 Artix games' histories. I can't help you, I'm sorry. Captain | contribs 13:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I threw in a section on Ask Zorbak. Hopefully that will help. Alinnisawest (talk) 01:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll get in there and add some more detailed descriptions about the gameplay of some of the games. They look too short. Most are just one sentence. I'll also add a few plot connections to the main AE games. Netaviofhell (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Plot connections would be excellent! --Eruhildo (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Welcome message
We've been getting new members lately - yay! I'd like to create a welcome message to put on new member's talk pages with helpful links and such. Unfortunately, not much comes to mind - maybe I've been here so long that I've forgotten what I needed when I was new -_-. Anybody have any ideas? --Eruhildo (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The welcome template, where is it? I looked on the Wikiproject page, but I didn't see a link to it? Alinnisawest (talk) 04:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes
I've noticed several editors have created userboxes related to AE games. Do y'all want me to standardize them and make them easier to use? --Eruhildo (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That would be nice. There's one for playing MQ and DF regularly and the wikiproject one, of course... I also have one for "this user has a level 18 rogue on DF". Are there any for the MQ houses? I'd love to put my Runehawk pride on my userpage. Alinnisawest (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll make some for the MQ houses as well as ones for regularly playing X game. I can also make ones for "this user has a level X class in DF" and the general "this user plays AE games". --Eruhildo (talk) 19:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yehey! And add a picture! It looks a lot better when a userbox has a picture. I'll replace 2 of my userboxes as soon as you finsih them. PS: add one for AdventureQuest. Captain | contribs 02:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a little busy these days, but I'll try to get them done soon. I'm not sure if I'll be able to put an image in them (though I'd really like to) 'cause wikipolicy says we can't use fair use images outside of the mainspace (in other words, only in articles) --Eruhildo (talk)


 * OK, would adding a picture of your character be allowed? After all, if it is your character, you could argue that it was created by you because you chose hair, skin, armor color, etc.... even though, yeah, I suppose it still is technically property of AE. Although I doubt they would care. Alinnisawest (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that would still fall under fair use. Yeah, I doubt AE could care less, but Wikipedia does. I'll try to come up with something when I have more time, but I'll probably just end up using text. --Eruhildo (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've decided to put this on hold until my finals are over next week. --Eruhildo (talk) 14:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Complaints section name
Moved from Talk:DragonFable --Eruhildo (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand that we need to have a section for (quite valid) complaints about the game. However, this section is poorly worded, repetitive, and way too big. If we could possibly condense it, I think it would be a lot better. Maybe keep it down to a few key points: And whatever else seems very important. Most of it is just unnecessary. Any ideas? Alinnisawest (talk) 18:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not all quests/items/cutscenes available to free players
 * Farming (speaking of which, why does the article call it grinding? Isn't it usually just called farming?)
 * (maybe) Bag space


 * This is the only section I haven't gone over yet, so it's still the original text. I agree with everything you said. I want to cut out anything we can't cite. I'd also like to have refs to websites other than the DF forums. I'm not too good at that sort of thing though, has anyone else seen mention of this stuff? --Eruhildo (talk) 19:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Something else to consider... Shouldn't only citable complaints be listed? The Complaints section should not be treated as a free-for-all whining section, which is typically what Complaints/Controversies sections become when citation is not being given. -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! I think renaming it to "Reception" might help it not look like just a compilation of complaints. Check out WP:VG/GL. --Eruhildo (talk) 01:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Eruhildo! "Reception" is a good one, but is there another word we can use to replace "Complaints"? Captain | contribs 02:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The only other thing that comes to mind is "Criticism". Unfortunately, people often associate negativity with that word. --Eruhildo (talk) 06:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * How about "Critical Reception"? I saw it in the MapleStory article. It sounds, well, less negative than just "Criticism". Alinnisawest (talk) 16:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That could work too. It doesn't really matter to me which one we use though. --Eruhildo (talk) 18:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * A good choice! Any other possible words? Even a dictionary (an old one) can't give me a synonym! Captain | contribs 22:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * How about "Feedback" or "Critical Feedback"? -- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 12:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I like that even better! Feedback sounds much better. It's much more neutral. Alinnisawest (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

(Adjusted indention, sorry for inconvenience) A good choice! Has anyone done this edit? Captain | contribs 08:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is a possibility:

"While the majority of DragonFable is available to free players, some quests and other game content are only accessible to paid players. This content includes titan fights, where the player's dragon becomes a full-sized dragon for battles against other large monsters, the ability to save starting items, and the special DragonLord armor. Some fights important to the storyline are also only available to Dragon Amulet holders with their Titan dragons. However, free players can usually still watch the cutscenes leading up to them." Alinnisawest (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC) (PS: my working page is at User:Alinnisawest/Critical Feedback)


 * That looks like a good openning to explain the overall situation to the reader. Keep up the good work! --Eruhildo (talk) 14:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if there's no issues, then I'll add it! Thank you very much! Alinnisawest (talk) 22:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Section added. Alinnisawest (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

2 new contributors
I noticed that there are 2 people who put their names in the list of people who contribute to the project. Will they really contribute or just fool around? Captain | contribs 13:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure yet. They look like they're here just to play games, but I hope I'm wrong. I dropped I'm On Base a message a yesterday, if he doesn't respond in a few days I'll remove him from the list. --Eruhildo (talk) 17:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Turns out that User:I'm On Base was a sock puppeteer and User:3nih was one of his sock puppets. So he's been blocked indefinitely, since such things aren't allowed on Wikipedia. I've removed both names from the list of participants. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was wondering about them. From looking at his pages, I'm On Base didn't seem like a reputable editor, anyway, so I guess it's good you found that out. Alinnisawest (talk) 16:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * He/she (I'm On Base) has two more "puppets":
 * User:Mushroomhead7697
 * User:TheGoodSide

I looked further. Captain | contribs 04:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's sad when people do stuff like that. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

hi I would like to help contribute ive added a section for the untitled AQ MMO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinoraw (talk • contribs) 22:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Project Goals
Hello. Back from a brief break and I just added a Project Goals navbox. Does anymore think it should stay, or should I write a new one in paragraph form and let the naviagation box bite the dust? Ronan Alifar (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think a list form might be easier to work with, though the template is well done and looks nice. Also, if I remember right, it should be Lore (Artix Entertainment). --Eruhildo (talk) 15:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Do you want to keep the template? Or not? I couldn't really tell from your answer. You seemed to take both sides. And actually, I don't think it should be Lore (Artix Entertainment). I think it should be Lore (world). Please correct me if wrong. Ronan Alifar (talk) 18:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The closest I can find to our situation in the MOS is: WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines/Naming number 7. Which would make it Lore (Artix Entertainment). However, that does not mean the other titles can't be used for redirect pages (which I think they should be). As for the template, go ahead and merge the data into the project page, then tag it for speedy deletion. (See WP:CSD and db-t3.) Even though it looks nice, I think a simple list will be more funtional. I've seen other projects where lists worked well, but they always had more articles to take care of than we do. Speaking of which, when did we get a list of AQ characters article!? We need to take of that one quick before it becomes a problem. -_- --Eruhildo (talk) 06:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Eruhildo. I'll do that. List of AQ characters just popped out of nowhere really. I found it whle surfing wikipedia Ronan Alifar (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Detailed Project Goals
Write: Lore (Artix Entertainment) should be written to give background on the world of Lore in general. It should include geography, culture, and races of Lore. Some redirects may be Lore (world) or Lore (AdventureQuest).

Expand: EbilGames is missing citations and references. It requires expansion, perhaps on the site's history and it's involvement in Artix Entertainment games, and it's update status.

Clean Up: MechQuest requires reliable verifactions and sources. In a similar issue, it also fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guide. • AdventureQuest requires additional sources, since it relies mainly on battleon.com, past versions of it which may not exist anymore. It needs third party publications, or perhaps still-existing forum posts to verify the sources. • List of Characters in DragonFable, List of Characters in MechQuest and List of Characters in AdventureQuest perhaps should be assessed as it does not have any citations, and it includes nearly every character in the game, including ones that could simply stated in the game article. Ronan Alifar (talk) 00:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

AdventureQuest Worlds
A user called AQWIKI created this article- I really don't think it should be there until the game is actually released, but I'm not really sure what to do about it. Alinnisawest (talk) 21:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say just clean it up and keep on top of it - it's too much of a pain to get rid of it then bring it back later. I'll do some research on it when I have some free time. --Eruhildo (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I try to get in on every test day, so I'll be providing most of the new information. I'll be watching the homepage for any event that comes up. --Netaviofhell (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

See also sections
I propose to remove all See also sections since our navbox does the same thing and is near the same spot in the article. What do y'all think? --Eruhildo (talk) 07:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I 100% agree. They are now unnecessary. Plus the navbox looks a lot better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alinnisawest (talk • contribs) 16:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Using Abbreviations in Articles
I've noticed a lot of edits lately using abbreviations from the forums (like AE or DF or SC and so on). While these are sometimes OK, I think they should be mostly avoided in the articles. While we know (well, sometimes!) what SRoD and CCL mean, most readers of Wikipedia don't. So I think we should avoid using them if at all possible- what do you think? Alinnisawest (talk) 01:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely - I'd say always spell out anything that might be confusing. I don't actually know what SRoD and CCL mean. ^_^;; --Eruhildo (talk) 04:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a glossary of abbreviations somewhere on the forums. SRoD is ShadowReaper of Doom and CCL I'm not certain about. I know CCA is ChickenCow Armor, but I don't think anyone uses that one, anyway. Alinnisawest (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:VG/GL changes
The video game project's guidelines underwent some changes recently and suggest everyone to go through it and read the updates. Especially read the revised WP:GAMECRUFT section - it has lots of stuff specified in it now that shouldn't appear in articles. --Eruhildo (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
There's been a lot of vandalism lately on all our articles. (especially AdventureQuest... the entire history is vandalism and reverts!) Is there something we can do about it? I noticed List of Characters in DragonFable has been semiprotected; can the same be done for the other articles, or at least AdventureQuest? Alinnisawest (talk) 04:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Characters to keep and characters to throw out
Ok, I'm proposing a new guideline: If a character is not relavent to the game's plot that character should not be listed in the list of characters. Thoughts? --Eruhildo (talk) 04:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is a good one. I don't know about the others, but I support it. Captain | contribs 04:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I also agree. We've needed a firm guideline for a while on exactly what characters should/should not be included, and I think this one works well. May be a bit iffy for Mechquest, though, because there isn't much of a plot yet. Alinnisawest (talk) 20:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Project guidelines
For those who don't know, I'm currently writing up a set of article guidelines for this project. It's going kind of slow though, so I was hoping y'all might have some ideas. So, any ideas on what would be good to have in an article guideline for AE articles? --Eruhildo (talk) 00:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see... stuff to definately include: (my thoughts in italics)


 * some sort of a definite guideline on what characters should/should not be included in character sections (I vote for only characters that are important to the storyline or otherwise notable... like King Alteon in DF is important, but not a major part of the story)
 * same for settings/towns (again, major towns/cities should be listed, especially if major events happen there, but not much else. Like Westion can be listed for MQ, but Khaeldron and Alamonia shouldn't be listed seperately, perhaps.)
 * we really need a decision on unreleased stuff. I noticed there's been a lot of stuff over that on the AQ article (something to do with the Sweep... which I don't even know what that is, really...) and there was a thing over the paladin/necromancer classes in DF with unsourced stuff. (maybe if it's an unreleased class/whatever it has to have a definite source with it, like a forum post by a staff member (not just a mod, an actual staff member) or a DN)

And yeah... that sort of thing. I'll see what else I can come up with, maybe? Alinnisawest (talk) 01:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That helps a lot! Thanks, you really got my creative juices flowing again. Ok, I've cleaned up my working page enough to share it now. User:Eruhildo/WP:ARTIX article guidelines - everyone feel free to add anything you think would be appropriate. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What counts as a main character?
Please discuss what you think makes one character a main character and another one not, and why. Thank you. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... any guidelines we come up with are going to leave out Cysero, I think, much to my dismay. Anyway, it's kind of hard to pin down, because each game is different in regards to quests. In AQ, there are so many characters, you could only put down the most important characters of the most important parts of the storyline. For DF, I'd say maybe the quest-giver and main villain for each quest string/saga, as well as other very important characters (Seppy, Drakath (who I suspect will play a big part in the storyline as it goes on), and King Alteon (he *is* the king of Lore, after all...), for a few examples). In MQ, which is much more driven by an actual storyline than by one person handing out quests, the people who are actually important to the storyline would be major characters (Dean Warlic, Slugwrath, Odessa, etc.). That's my thoughts, anyway... we'll have to wait on AQW, though. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 20:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * For me, it's either someone (or something) that is mentioned or bla, bla, bla, many times (this keeps Cysero :)) or plays a pivotal role somewhere within one or more main plots.


 * 7h3 3L173 (talk) 00:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

BIG PLOT EDITION FOR AQ WORLDS
Sorry for the heading. I just am reminding those of who are reading this that the main story is coming out tomorrow!!! Everyone better be on for it. That way we can update wikipedia online faster. By the way, those of who are going to do the story tomorrow, go to (Whatever the this place is called)-3000. That way we might be able to see each other online. That way we can calaborate on how we should right it faster.=) I have classes tomorrow so I can't do it tomorrow. I will do it on Saturday though... Thx for reading me freak out --May you days be filled with adventure User:Jakcer (talk) 05:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
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Subraces (AQ)
7h3 3L173 just noticed this page: Subraces (AQ). Dunno about everyone else, but I think it's completely unnecessary and should be deleted. Anything important can be merged into AQ, but I doubt much is important. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 02:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it has nothing the main article doesn't have.


 * ɫ§Veonyx§ɫ  ~Talk to Me~  ~My Acts~  03:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree - it needs to go. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also agreed. This serves no purpose as of now. Netavifromhell (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Lore... (AQ) etc.
I'm just writing to say I don't think that we should have one main article for Lore (AdventureQuest) etc. I'm more in favor of a seperate World of...[insert] for each one. Reasons:
 * Making a big one could make it too bulky
 * Having seperate ones help you to establish, yes, they are diffrent games and yes, the universes are somewhat diffrent
 * Some material (such as The Void in AdventureQuest) aren't present in the other games
 * Having diffrent ones can help you write about the diffrent seperate locations (i.e. Void, Isle D' Oriens... ) that are important, and otherwise would do the thing I mentioned in my first reason
 * We can get Void and Isle D' Oriens to link to that (finally!)
 * We can combine the character lists, which I really hate
 * Lore (AdventureQuest) is weird when it isn't just for AdventureQuest

Or maybe you're doing it like this?: Lore (AQ), Lore (AQW), Lore (MQ)... (DF)... Whatever you think, I like the World of's better. Just a random ramble...

On a similarily serious note, shouldn't AdventureQuest, DragonFable, etc... be Adventurequest, Dragonfable? I read it in a rule somewhere...

7h3 3L173 (talk) 04:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * On the last note, the official names have the capitals in the middle, so I guess they're right as is...1 on the main note, I dunno... I suppose it would be easier and more efficient, but then I don't think they'd be notable enough on their own. Maybe a central article with sections for each?2 Although that's not an ideal situation either. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 18:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I guess there's no getting around the NOT thing. Anyway, I have the answers for sentences 1 and 2 (which I labled; sorry for being all rude) though. For 1, my answer is that there is a rule on Wikipedia (though I can't find it... darn, where is it...) against using spelling that is innapropriate within the ummm... anyway, regardless of what anyone/company says, it should not have capitals in the middle... Of course you could make it so that they are seperate: Adventure Quest, but I think it is a bad idea. For 2, I already said why in reason 4; it makes it too bulky if you make it be in subsections (because there are major locations within that, and we'd get stuck in sort of a rut where it eventually -if it gets too long- would split anyway; yeah, you aknowledged, it I know). What to you think of reasons 2 and 7 though? And maybe we shouldn't name/describe the locations+characters (which I severely want though; character lists bulky, hard to read, would never be tended/trimmed properly otherwise) and instead just locations? I need feedback...


 * 7h3 3L173 (talk) 06:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that an article with subsections would be way too long and bulky... it's a bit of a dilemma. I think an article on Lore would be a useful thing to have around, so we don't have to explain everything four times (things which shouldn't be in the game articles, like moglins or something). I suppose... if we could have even just one article for AQ and DF (which have a fairly similar game world; major characters are the same, even if the events are very different), that would be great. It would be hard, because both games take place in completely different places (except for Frostvale, I think. That's the same place in both, isn't it?), but it would help offer background that can't be in the main articles... it's not a perfect solution, though. It's a pretty rotten one, really, but not sure else how we could make it notable enough. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 01:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just one thing, and I'm sure we're all wondering this; if so, why are the character lists considered notable enough, whereas the entire world(s) isn't? This's a intresting topic for debate too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7h3 3L173 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)  Argh... unsigned :P


 * Hmmm... just going to clear over some points in the previous statement:
 * What I meant was, since the character lists were created/kept without (much) complaint, the World of's probably should be too, and even more so, since I'm planning to integrate them together (I looked over it; characters+world isn't very long but: AQ+DF+MQ+AQW is).


 * Err... still, what about my secondary bla, bla, bla; I still can't find the WP but I found something that somewhat complies to that: flOw :it links to Flow (video game); but maybe it's diffrent in this case? (I dunno...)


 * I changed my sig:


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R technobabble   my screw ups  05:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

(unindenting) I personally don't think the character pages are very notable... however, you are right, if they've lasted this long we could likely get the world pages to stick. And I do agree with should stick the two together ("World and Characters of DragonFable", for example). I dunno on your second point... perhaps you should try to find the policy on that one? I guess if we have all these points settled, though, maybe we can start working on it in a sandbox page. Also, what should we call them? I really would like to have articles on this, but to avoid the notability issues, we'd better think them through pretty well first! Do you have anything sort of written up yet? --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 19:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC) I also came across Warcraft (series), which might help serve as a guideline for us... --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 19:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * MOS:TM :D--156.3.74.84 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * 156.3.74.84, you mean CamelCase (I found it by clicking on the link though...) so on that prospect, I guess, no, the title shouldn't be changed. I have nothing else to say but this: when using "World of's" you don't have to also put "and characters"... Warcraft (series) seems like an excellent guide. I'll see what I can draw up...


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R -technobabble-   my screw ups  06:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Just gonna jump in here and say this: character list articles often are not notable on their own, but meet notability requirements if the main subject is notable. The way this works is WP:SIZE, WP:SS, and WP:SPLIT. Character lists are typically an acceptable split if you have enough info on the characters. Now as for articles on the world, I would prefer one article or just mentioning it in each of the existing game articles. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure what the front part you put above has to do with anything but; eh:


 * The only objection to this I have, simply stated, is perhaps a reader will not find sufficient information in one articles-space, or as only a mention in the larger articles. But first, before we start anything, we have to find out which works the best... you have a sandbox for this or sumpin? If not you can use the one I have left then... here. Keep in mind that before anyone starts anything, we have to find out which works the best. I have something faintly resembling a draft already (here)...


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 03:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the message. I myself am not certain who we consider to be the group coordinator, but I'm sure if we all threw our heads together we could pick somebody. This now brings me to some topic of discussion. Who does everyone see or respect as the one who "organizes" the project? Netavifromhell (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Eruhildo used to relatively be in charge, but I'm not sure if he's still active enough in this WP to take that position... I don't really care, honestly. Who's actually active in this project, anyway? Me, you, Megaman en m, Jakcer, Fridae'sDoom, Mark Chung, Veonyx, Eruhildo and 7h3 3L173 are all I can see that have significantly contributed to the pages (by a quick glance at the history pages). I guess we're more a collective community than a hierarchy. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 13:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Sandboxing
For anyone who is intrested: click here. I think it's better than the version we have now, but... eh, it's explained at the top. Just for anyone intrested...

7h3 3L173 (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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More sandboxing
I have the format for the "World of's" stuffed up in here. The real thing I'm saving on my computer, because it is too messy :P. Anyway, I'm asking if "Characters" should be merged with "Factions"; it'll be easier for me but it's going to be easy to switch between them anyway, so anyway...

Thoughts?

(I changed my sig again, I'm finicky :P)

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 20:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That looks pretty good as a start! Once we actually start putting in information, we may find that it's too long in some parts and have to cut it, but it's a great place to begin from. I'm not sure about the factions/characters... probably not, I think, unless the article is simply too long (or the two sections are too short). --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 01:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... create ZardWars and ArchKnight stf?
I was thinking maybe we should have an article for ArchKnight and ZardWars (together). Possibly a bad idea... but I want to know what you people think... maybe they can exist as section on their parent games (or offshoots). Just a random wandering thought... just saying though, it's not as if there won't be enough stuff on them: ArchKnight has a long and complicated storyline (that leads up to DragonFable), and ZardWars closely resembles the early version of AdventureQuest (which we dearly need info on the way; anyone here bored enough to go on the DragonFable Design Notes and probe? [It's there, I checked]).

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 03:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The only thing I think we need for either of those is a seperate section on the Artix Entertainment page. They are not large enough to really justify a whole article just for them. My advice is take the information about them in the AdventureQuest section of the article and move it to their own section between AQ and Dragonfable. That way they fit in order of creation and it trims down the AQ section. Anyone else? Netavifromhell (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * C'mon people... comment, comment!


 * Well, here's my own take: sandbox; see which one's best. (Like I normally suggest.)


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 19:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well... NAFH (your full name is too long too type out!) has a good point. The AE article isn't too long, so I don't think it'd be a bad addition to it. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 01:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * All right, well, I guess that decides it... I won't be on for a while, so someone else should probably do it... err, on your comment about his/her name being too long, the comment you typed was longer. :D Just thought it was a bit funny...


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 05:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh wait. *frowns* ArchKnight is merging with DF... *shrugs* So we wait until it's merged and then add information I guess... Yay! My suggestion wins! >:D He.
 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 05:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, you're right. Well, once that happens, I guess we can create a new section, perhaps? Because ArchKnight (as a game on its own) was important. I can't be of help with its history, though, as I never finished it... perhaps I should. Hmm. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress  ( extermination requests here ) 18:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Templates
I just saw that someone changed the image in the Artix Entertainment userboxes to the non-free image. I'm pretty sure that isn't an appropriate use but I prefer to check first... If it isn't, one of you should probably go back and change it...

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c  ) 07:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Didnt realise it was nonfree. I'll go see if I can get permission from rtix. It may take a few days. Unlessed challenged, leave it alone for now... D rew  S  mith     W  hat I've done  07:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Have it yet? *taps foot impatiently* While you're at it, you should probably get them to special permission (all) other images too; every site except Wikipedia (somewhat illegitely) uses the images... *wah...*


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c ) 21:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've asked about all images, but no one is responding. I'm about to send another message if I don't get a response by Monday. D rew S mith  What I've done  00:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

WHOOOOOOAAAA!
WarpForce is coming! I can't believe they're releasing a new game so quickly! AQW just came out a year ago! For those who haven't seen the teaser in AQ or the forum announcement yet, it's sort of a sequel to the Devourer Saga. In space. With drakels. I hope we get mechs. (oh, and so I can pretend this is on topic, I added a section on it to the AE article, and properly ref'ed it and everything! ;) )--Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 00:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

WHAT IS GOING ON?!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!! There have been no discussions from anyone related to the AE program since, like, May!!! Where is everyone?!!!!!! --Jakkinx (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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