Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 12

DK: King of Swing
Do we have an article on DK: King of Swing? Whenever I try to link to that title, the wiki software assumes I'm making an interlanguage link to dk.wikipedia.org. Is there a way around this? -- BrianSmithson 15:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The current article is titled DK-King of Swing DS. The top of the page states there's a problem with the namespace. ~ Hibana 15:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. -- BrianSmithson 17:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, DK-King of Swing DS is the sequel. Check DK-King of Swing for the first game in the series.--TBC TaLk?!? 05:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Did I join the project correctly?
I don't know how to join the project correctly. I'm used to adding my name to a list to join, but I can't find one. Do you just have to add yourself to the category to be a member. I added the userbox to my page because I thought that was how you were supposed to join. Did I join correctly?

-- Evan  Robidoux  08:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry too much about joining; it's the participation that counts. Nifboy 11:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There's not really any formal joining process. Adding that userbox to your userpage is about as formal as the process gets, and even that's optional. Ryu Kaze 13:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, how do you give articles an importance/quality rating, as done on this page? -- Evan  Robidoux  01:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take the cvgproj and modify it, like so:
 * After the two equal signs is where you put your rankings, so a Mid-importance B-class article like GTA:SA would look like:
 * It usually helps to just grab a few known pages and check out the source. Also mind the importance ranking: I personally think only the top 10% or so most important articles (which is still 600 articles) will get so much as a low-importance rank. Nifboy 07:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It usually helps to just grab a few known pages and check out the source. Also mind the importance ranking: I personally think only the top 10% or so most important articles (which is still 600 articles) will get so much as a low-importance rank. Nifboy 07:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It usually helps to just grab a few known pages and check out the source. Also mind the importance ranking: I personally think only the top 10% or so most important articles (which is still 600 articles) will get so much as a low-importance rank. Nifboy 07:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Wind Waker on FAR(C)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker has been nominated for featured article removal. The concern is 2(a), quality of prose.  Pagra shtak  01:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The FAR has closed and the article is still featured. Thanks to Deckiller, Marskell, and everyone else who helped.  Pagra shtak  17:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Planescape: Torment
Having difficulty coming up with improvements for the Planescape: Torment article. Any suggestions? Chris Cunningham 16:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A gameplay section would be a good start. Nifboy 16:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm considering joining this WikiProject. Does it cover online games?
I joined Wikipedia on 11 February 2006 and I contribute information to articles on websites and Singapore TV shows/movies. My most notable contributions include writing the Google Groups and Homerun articles and creating WP:RFF.

I am currently looking for suitable WikiProjects to help me make more consistent contributions to articles of interest, and, where possible, to improve articles of interest to Good Articles.

One of my areas of interest is computers and the Internet. I am the creator of the Google Groups article which someone nominated for Good Article, and currently over 95% of the content of that article was written by me. I successfully nominated Criticism of Microsoft and Gmail to Good Articles. I am currently working to get Neopets, Netscape, RuneScape and Yahoo! to Good Article status. (Yes, I am a member of the Good Articles WikiProject)

In my quest for suitable WikiProjects, someone recommended this WikiProject to me. Before joining, I have only one question: Does this WikiProject cover online games? That means, games played online, through a web browser? If the answer is yes, I will definitely join. My task will be to contribute and verify information to articles on games I play, provide in-game screenshots, and improve them to Good Articles.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The only online game that I know that this WP encompasses (generally, I think of this WP as pretty broad) is Heli Attack 3 and Heli Attack 2. Online modes are covered, through the games' article itself. Hbdragon88 21:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if Neopets would fit in the term computer game (although it probably counts), but things like Runescape and Adventure Quest and those? Totally; I'd call those more "computer games" than Neopets, but it's played on a computer... and it's a game... so... computer + game.
 * Just so you know man, there's really no formal requirement for joining... heck, it's not really "joining" anyway, you're basically just putting yourself with the rest of us on the list. So welcome to the project; look forward to collaborating with ya in the future. -- gakon5 22:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Neopets I consider in the same category as something like Yahoo! Games; Yes, you can consider it in the context of gaming, but it is, more properly, a website. Nifboy 01:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't personally see any reason that Neopets cannot be a website and a game. Neopets fulfils the definition of a game which is "A pursuit or activity with rules performed either alone or with others, for the purpose of entertainment". By being a website, it is definately on a computer. I would therefore suggest that it is in fact a Computer Game, and therefore fits into the CVG project. I would class something like Yahoo! Games as something totally different. Yahoo! Games is a website containing a collection of games. However, the Neopets website is itself a game, with its own rules. The fact that it has a collection of built-in minigames does not preclude it from being a game itself. Any thoughts? Jibbles | Talk 14:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your responses. Neopets is widely regarded as an online game. The Neopets article introduction states that "Neopets is a virtual pet simulation game" (the article seems to have been vandalised in a way I can't revert, so check the history). RuneScape and AdventureQuest are browser-based RPGs. If I'm going to put my name on the list to "join", I'll make sure I'll work on the articles. I don't like signing up for something I'll never use. Therefore I must know if the articles will be covered under the WikiProject. If there's a WikiProject for online games, please refer me there; if not, you may like to expand your coverage (as online games are played through browser, using a computer) to increase participation. This WikiProject seems pretty flexible, so if the next few replies show no objections, or a willingness to expand coverage to online games, I'll sign up. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Neopets is a tricky one, as the site also contains other games beside the main browser-based game. But the HTML browser-based portion itself has many elements that would lead me to refer to the whole thing as a game. You can buy stuff, feed your pet, enter your pet in battles with other pets, and more, without ever touching the Flash-based games. I'd consider it an online browser-based game. But even if you don't consider it one, I don't see any real harm in allowing this project to cover such a game. --Optichan 21:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The consensus seems to be that online games such as Neopets, RuneScape and AdventureQuest are covered by this WikiProject. Therefore, I have decided to sign up for the Computer and Video Games WikiProject. My contributions and informations to the 4 articles will start on 25 July 2005. Please welcome your newest participant, Hildanknight.

I think you should start adding the "This article is part of WikiProject Computer and Video Games": not just to Neopets, RuneScape and AdventureQuest, but to other online games that I don't play, such as Urban Dead and Kings of Chaos. Wikipedians who play these games will then sign up for this WikiProject. I could get some of my friends who play these games to join Wikipedia and contribute to the articles on the games!

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

4 articles I will work on
Do note that the majority of my contributions to this WikiProject will be limited to the following four articles:

Neopets - I have been playing Neopets since August 2001. My current account (Hildanknight) was created in July 2005. I currently have 3.4 million NP in the bank and 1.3 million NP invested in stocks. With almost 5 years of experience under my belt, and having surfed many Neopets fan sites, I have a lot of knowledge about Neopets (especially criticism). Therefore, I can contribute information to the Neopets article, and verify information in the article. I can also provide in-game screenshots when they are called for. With my writing skills, I can also help with the organization of the Neopets article and its sub-articles. My goal will be to make Neopets a Good Article, following a Peer Review. Its nomination for Featured Article, initiated by me, failed miserably, but it has considerably improved since then.

RuneScape - I have been playing RuneScape since 2004. I currently have two active accounts, one created in April 2005, and my main, Hildanknight, created in July 2005. My main account has a combat level of 55, and its highest skill is Cooking (and Fishing), at 60. My experience and knowledge of RuneScape is considerably less than that of Neopets, so I will consider myself an intermediate player. As the RuneScape article receives copious vandalism, one of my tasks for this article will be to revert vandalism, and to aim to get the article permenantly semi-protected. As an intermediate F2P player, I will contribute and verify information, and provide in-game screenshots, particularly for its sub-articles. One of my concerns with RuneScape and its sub-articles is that they read like a game guide, and I hope to use my writing skills to fix that. I also aim to make RuneScape a Good Article after a Peer Review.

AdventureQuest - I started playing in late 2004, and created my Hildanknight account in July 2005. My Hildanknight character is level 59, but in the past few months, I have not been playing due to the Guardian Only Login. I consider myself a lower-intermediate player. Artix has recently created a survey, which, if Adventurers take, will allow them to bypass the GOL for 24 hours. I am willing to take the survey to play and spend a day working on the article. As my knowledge of AdventureQuest is considerably less than my knowledge of RuneScape, my contributions will deal less with information. I will be providing more in-game screenshots for the AdventureQuest article. In addition, the article is in desperate need of a re-write and cleanup, and this is where my writing skills will come in handy. Currently, I do not see any Good Article prospects for the AdventureQuest article, though I will not comment on the future, after I've worked on the article.

Chip's Challenge - This is not an online game. I started playing it a long time before I started using the Internet - around 1999 or 2000 - I estimate. Over the years, I have developed a love-hate relationship with the game, and have at times, for various reasons, taken long breaks from playing, only to return and discover my skills have been raised a notch. Last year, I started researching this game on the Internet, and this has helped me improved my gameplay and discover more about the non-playing aspects (e.g. history, players) of this game. I have currently completed 146 of the 149 levels in the game, with a total score of 5856964 points, and consider myself a good, but not professional, Chip's Challenge player. I will work on this article to ensure it provides a thorough coverage on the gameplay (without making it read like a game guide) and the non-playing aspects of the game. Obviously, I will also provide in-game screenshots. To get an idea of the detailed coverage I can offer, read the Google Groups article. Who knows - I may be able to develop the current short article into a potential Good Article, just as I created Google Groups from scratch?

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Civ City Rome
I don't know if this was the right place for it, but I thought I should mention it somewhere. CCR is being released at the end of the month as an extention to the Civilization franchise. There doesn't appear to be a page for it yet, or mentions of it on the Civilization game pages or on Sid Meirer's entry. IGN Page on Civ City Rome IGN Page S.Skinner 13:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone else created the page, I set up several redirects and added a few bits. Anyone that wants to add to the stub can do so at CivCity: Rome S.Skinner 18:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Regional game cover differences
Yeah, basically, if a game has different covers for each territory (Japan, North America, Europe, etc), which would be best to use in the article's infobox? Just asking for style suggestions here. -- Steel 22:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest either going with the Final Fantasy articles' way of doing it (including all of them, but having the North American one be most pronounced given the majority of our user base; see Final Fantasy X for an example) or just using the North American box. Ryu Kaze 22:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

New page split
I recently finished the split between the old CRPG page and the new cRPG page:

Now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_role-playing_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_differences_in_computer_and_console_role-playing_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_role-playing_game

I'm not really familiar with the practices of this Wikiproject, is there something that should be done to the new pages and/or altered old pages now that the split is done? Tags or whatever? I notice that the new console role-playing game page does not have some of the tags and miscellaneous stuff on the old CRPG page. Same for the new comparison page. Can you guys help me "fix things up" a bit? Thanks. -- Solberg 22:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)Solberg

Heli Attack 3
I'm some way into a complete rewrite of the article for Heli Attack 3 - I had drafted this on my userspace and got it to a stage where I considered it good enough to go into the mainspace but since then many new sources and pieces of information have appeared, so it's still got a bit of work to be done yet.

I have two questions: firstly, I noted that one of the pages within this WikiProject suggested that CVG articles concentrate less on elements of gameplay and more on an overview of the game - given that the Cheats section of the HA3 article is almost guaranteed to be moved to a more appropriate Wiki tomorrow what other suggestions do you have for increasing the scope of the article?

Secondly, where can you think of that might provide some reliable sources for reference within this article?

Many thanks in advance, CountdownCrispy 22:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a little hard to tell right now, with so much guide material that needs to be removed, but here's some quick suggestions for improvement:
 * Add information that's not in-game. For example, development history or critical response.
 * Format your references with.
 * Avoid the second person (...and, ultimately, kill you. &mdash; As you progress through the game you must...)
 * When (if) you move the cheat codes to another wiki, take the weapon list and enemies list also.
 *  Pagra shtak  17:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your response - I've moved the cheats list but will leave the enemies and weaponry information for now since I think it is useful, or at the very least salvageable. I'm working on the article on my userspace once more to make the other suggested changes without disrupting the main article too much. Many thanks, CountdownCrispy 12:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking for a game
I am looking for a game I play a long time age, I was hoping you could help me out. The game had a female main character who was a cop. The setting was a futuristic (hover) cars. She drove around and had to shoot mafia guys and other bad guy and try not to kill innocent cars. The user's view was from above. After every mission there was a cut seem with her talking to the dispatcher. The dispatcher often tries to hit on her but she knows how to handle it. I think that she may turn into a cyborg at some point, but I am not sure about that. Any ideas? Jon513 23:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't name the game (sorry!), but it does sound pretty similar to GTA2 or other games like it. Might it be Future Cop: LAPD? RandyWang ( raves/rants ) 00:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You'll probably have much greater luck on a gaming forum. RandyWang ( raves/rants ) 00:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * thank for your help. I asked a gaming forum.  It was Traffic Department 2192.  Jon513 20:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)