Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Nintendo/Archive 8

Task force scope
I'm starting this discussion here about what should or should not be included within the scope of the Nintendo task force.

Super Smash Bros. and Pokemon articles
They both have their own WikiProjects, so even though they are Nintendo products, should we include them in our task force even though there are already dedicated WikiProjects out there to cover these two subjects? MuZemike (talk) 20:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Overlap is okay and I don't think it should be a problem in this case. If anything it should lead to some more collaboration. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC))

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Nintendo
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The selected articles are as follows needing cleanup:
 * Animal Crossing: cleanup
 * EarthBound: original research, cleanup
 * Game Boy line: cleanup
 * Ganon: copyedit
 * Nintendo: NPOV
 * Nintendo GameCube: cleanup
 * Satoshi Tajiri: cleanup
 * Shigeru Miyamoto: copyedit
 * Super Mario 64 DS: cleanup
 * Tetris: original research, cleanup
 * Virtual Console: original research, cleanup
 * Yoshi: expert


 * Try to improve these articles as well as the others on the essential (Nintendo) article list whenever you can. MuZemike (talk) 20:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Mario articles
Concerns have been voiced Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games regarding the status of the Mario articles. As I mentioned in that page, here are the highest-priority Mario articles that need work: All of these articles are Nintendo task force essential articles and are of Top or High-importance. MuZemike (talk) 15:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Mario (B-Class)
 * Mario Bros. (Start-Class)
 * Super Mario Bros. (GA-Class)
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 (B-Class)
 * Super Mario Kart (Start-Class)
 * Super Mario RPG (GA-Class)
 * Super Mario Bros. 2 (B-Class) is also of High-importance. MuZemike (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of merging Mario Clash, Mario Bros. Special, and Punch Ball Mario Bros. into Mario Bros. to expand it. We need Development and Reception info on it now - Reception could also just include opinions on its inclusion of it in the Mario Advance series. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Keep up the good work on the article. MuZemike  ( talk ) 23:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Sega and Nintendo
As most have noticed by now. The Sega WikiProject has boldly combined Nintendo into one WikiProject titled WikiProject Sega & Nintendo. I as well as a few other WPVG editors have already voiced some strong opinions against it, but will see what happens. I cannot forsee this lasting long due to the growing consensus against this action, the disparity between the two projects in style, mentality, and overall editorship; and it seems to go against common sense what WikiProjects are about. I also find little or no cross-editorship between the two parties; that is, I don't forsee many editors who work on Nintendo articles working on and/or improving Sega articles and vice-versa. As of right now, the Nintendo task force is staying as-is until either further clarification can be made on this situation, unless the lack of participation in the Sega WikiProject causes the community to downgrade it to a task force like this, or if activity does pick up, rendering this task force useless. I will ask for further clarification at the WikiProject Council and initiate a request for comment on the situation if need be. Feel free to remain a part of this task force. MuZemike ( talk ) 23:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sega as well as the section above that. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Play on the Wii selection
I created this new article. But I'm concerned about the content being deleted. I'm not sure what's an appropriate way to handle this kind of multi-game promotion / program, without simply hiding that information in the old game articles. But I figure this bunch would know best how to handle it. Randomran (talk) 03:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll mark it as a stub for right now; I'll try to look into it when I get time. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Hopefully we can find a good way to keep this information in a centralized location, if not improve this article. Randomran (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I won't move the article until we get an official English name for it, as there are several Japanese translations floating over the Internet. MuZemike  ( talk ) 21:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection / WiiConnect24
It appears that Nintendo is starting to brand WiiConnect24 as a part of the Wi-Fi Connection. Previously the two were distinctly separate and games that only used WiiConnect24 did not feature the Wi-Fi Connection logo or any other marking on the packaging. However, now it appears that games that only use WiiConnect24 are adapting the Wi-Fi Connection logo (for example: Wii Music, My Aquarium, World of Goo, Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People, etc.). I suspect this is in part because games like Mega Man 9 and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King feature the red Pay & Play Wi-Fi Connection logo even though they don't have online game play. Nintendo appears to be unifying all these services under the one title of Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. As a result of this we will need to decide what to do in regards to such articles as List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games, List of WiiConnect24 games, etc. (if we even chose to do anything at all). -Zomic13 (talk) 04:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Some merging might be in order here with both the main articles and the list articles. MuZemike  ( talk ) 00:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merger proposals started on Talk:List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games and Talk:Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. MuZemike  ( talk ) 01:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't think WiiConnect24 and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection should merge. I added a few sentences about WiiConnect24 in the WFC article with a link to the main article. While they may be starting to share the same logo, they are still different in both how they operate and the features they support. The list articles are debatable. Both WFC and WiiConnect24 operate differently and have different features that they support. A merged list could work, but merged lists also tend to be messy and disorganized. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I will try to get a broader consensus by posting this at WT:VG. MuZemike ( talk ) 16:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

New barnstar design
Replacing the over two-year-old code and more standardizing the barnstar with the many others out there. Also added the sky-blue background as shown in the member userbox. The first plan is to move the location of the current barnstar into the template space (should not be in the Wikipedia space to begin with and, upon approval or consensus by the users here, replace it with the new one.

The new proposed barnstar template is here in my sandbox. Let me know what you think about it. MuZemike ( talk ) 23:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I really like that. I like the star, its awesome. Nintendofootball (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, here's the current one, and here's the proposed one my me. I should have done this earlier - my bad. MuZemike  ( talk ) 03:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the wording on your barnstar design, but I'm not digging the blue background. -Zomic13 (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've lightened the blueness of the background so it's not as overpowering as it was before. MuZemike  ( talk ) 21:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Since we're discussing new designs, I'm going to toss one into the ring. See my design here. Essentially it is the same wording and basic design as MuZemike's, but with a white background and red border reminiscent of Nintendo's logo. -Zomic13 (talk) 05:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats pretty cool. It will certainly stand out. Nintendofootball (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just found a similar barnstar hidden away at Personal user awards at Image:NinBSman.png. Here are the two for comparison: just in case someone has a preference:

MuZemike ( talk ) 22:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I like the current one. The older one doesn't seem very Nintendo-like. -Zomic13 (talk) 22:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, kind of what I was thinking, as well. MuZemike  ( talk ) 20:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I also like that our current one is an SVG while the one I dug up is merely a PNG. MuZemike  ( talk ) 21:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Throwing out a compromise: have both the red border and the sky blue background, as shown here. MuZemike ( talk ) 20:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Changed the barnstar to the "compromised" version. Hopefully that makes everyone happy. MuZemike  ( talk ) 03:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Lists
How come List of Wii games is only rated Mid importance while others like List of Nintendo DS Games are rated higher. Also I think List of WiiWare Games should be rated higher than low importance.Nintendofootball (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then change the ratings! Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks for the reminder. Nintendofootball (talk) 22:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Nintendo DS Rumble Pak Support games AFD
Please voice your opinion on whether this should be kept, deleted, merged, etc. at Articles for deletion/List of Nintendo DS Rumble Pak Support games. Thank you, MuZemike  ( talk ) 01:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, they said that the List of Nintendo DS Rumble Pak Support games merged with the List Nintendo DS games.GamerPro64 (talk) 23:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, there were many solutions, as left by the closing admin. Here we find an attempt to convert the list into a category. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vandalism alert
As you all know, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is Today's Featured Article on the Main page. This means increased traffic as well as greatly increased opportunities for vandalism. Please think of watchlisting the article to keep tabs on the article, and revert any and all vandalism if necessary. MuZemike ( talk ) 17:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll copy this to the main WPVG talk page, better to let everyone know. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Famicom Chronological lists
Are these lists — Chronological list of Famicom games, 1983–1988 and Chronological list of Famicom games, 1989-1994 — really that necessary anymore, since you can sort the List of Famicom games by release date if desired? I would just say to delete both of them, since they no longer serve the purpose in which they were orginally intended. MuZemike ( talk ) 19:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

List of multiple-disc Nintendo GameCube games merger proposal
Please discuss whether you support or oppose a merge of this list or a redirection into List of Nintendo GameCube games at Talk:List of Nintendo GameCube games. MuZemike ( talk ) 21:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Nintendo
I propose that we get rid of (i.e. delete) this category dating back to the old WikiProject Nintendo, as it is no longer needed. The only things that it links to right now is the main Task Force page and the Nintendo Portal. If we get a consensus to delete, then we can either ping an admin to delete it or put it up for speedy deletion. Any thoughts? Discussion? MuZemike ( talk ) 21:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely support deletion. With only two things in the category, it doesn't exactly need to have a name change or anything. -- Nomader (Talk) 02:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree too. There is no need of the old category.Nintendofootball (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Me to. Does anyone really need to look at them now that we are a Task Force?GamerPro64 (talk) 01:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Note — for reference, the category was nominated for CFD in September, in which the result was to defer to the task force. See Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 3. MuZemike ( talk ) 15:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Deleted the category per consensus here. Regards  So Why  11:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week
I really think this taskforce should have a collaboration of the week. Honestly, taking on any of the stubs myself is too overwhelming and I'm too lazy. But if other people would work on them, it would be much more efficient. Tell me what you think, members. Tez kag 72 00:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we already have a (now inactive) page for that at WikiProject Nintendo/Collaboration of the week (which reminds me that I have to move that page). I probably wouldn't mind having one, provided we get enough participation in it. What does everyone else think? MuZemike  ( talk ) 00:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should have one but also agree that we need enough participation.Nintendofootball (talk) 19:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ironically enough, there's a discussion starting about the main WikiProject's collaboration of the week going on here. If the Nintendo task force is going to have its own collaboration (something that I'd be strongly in favor of and actively participate in), I think it should be for a month instead of a week. Just my opinion. It would keep the nominations open longer, and would allow a larger time frame to help improve articles. -- Nomader (Talk) 20:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I definitely agree with that. Nintendo football   TALK!  16:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Pay close attention to WT:VG as well as WikiProject Video games/Collaboration of the week/Proposed. In a nutshell, GCOTW for WPVG in general looks like will come back and will be run by a bot this time around (as opposed to be run by editors as far as selection, voting, etc is concerned). The bot will randomly select articles for colloboration from all importance-classes. We can come in by doing a sieve of Nintendo-related articles selected by this bot and place them in our task force GCOTW so that we have task force members actively looking at them. MuZemike ( talk ) 18:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah ive been following it. I don't think were active enough to have our own but by selecting nintendo articles from this bot it should work  I Smashed   TALK!  15:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Portal cleanup
Some assistance could be used in cleaning up and updating Portal:Nintendo whenever anyone gets the opportunity. MuZemike ( talk ) 23:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Update—Added a Current events section, moved and improved the list of related portals, and removed a couple of sections that really doesn't belong in the portal—mainly the template and todo list (those are better suited on the task force pages).
 * If someone would be able to expand the Did you know section with about 20 new facts (make sure all of them are directly backed by a reliable source, just like at WP:DYK) and expand the list of articles (restrict to Featured Articles only, please) in the random article window, that would be great. MuZemike 00:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm working on adding more DYKs in the Portal (your welcome) and I think you should show the Featured material that's Nintendo based. Would you kindly do that? GamerPro64 (talk) 02:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What I'm pretty much going to do is add only those articles who are FA into the Selected article shuffle. MuZemike 02:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you don't need to include the citation in the DYKs, just make sure they are directly verifiable before inserting them. MuZemike 02:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have problems doing that. GamerPro64 (talk) 04:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's what I think of it. The Nintendo task force has very few articles that are both FA and High-priority at the same time (like many other portals). Those lower-priority articles that are deserving of FA status—as determined rigorously by a group of dedicated editors—I feel should be included in the Selected article shuffle. If such articles are good enough to be able to be featured on the front page of Wikipedia, then they should definitely be able to be featured in this portal. (There are a couple of high-priority articles (hopefully at least the top-priority ones will be addressed with the newly-revived WP:VG/COL.)
 * I'd like to include both. We need good Nintendo articles that are important to its legacy, but we also need those lesser articles that are indeed written well to demonstrate the level of expertise and professionalism to the rest of the users who browse through the portal (which is ultimately the purpose of portals). MuZemike 08:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What should we do about the Talk Page? GamerPro64 (talk) 17:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I am looking for another selected article to replace Game Boy Micro, which I just delisted from GA status (preferably a Featured Article or even an A-Class article). Make suggestions at Portal talk:Nintendo. MuZemike 18:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Portal looks great, well done  I Smashed   TALK!  15:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

NES 2 cleanup
There has been a merger discussion going on since 2005 about the remodeled NES and Famicom releases, so I just performed a ham-fisted cut-and-paste merge, and renamed it Top-loading NES. To be honest, it might not even deserve a separate article from NES, but NES is so long. Maybe it could be merged into History of the NES? ~  JohnnyMrNinja  04:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like you placed the discussion at WT:VG (Sorry I couldn't comment here). We'll keep it there. MuZemike 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

List of commercial failures in video gaming
I've been working on this article for some time and want to know if I have to ask to support an article for the Task Force. I was hoping that it could get more people editing it and make it a Featured List. I would like some responses. GamerPro64 (talk) 03:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

NES Zapper sources
Does anyone know of any reliable sources for the original NES Zapper besides all the postings of the person who modded it onto a Wii Remote? I have been having a hard time with Google on this. MuZemike 20:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have found a few on Google Scholar. If anyone can find any other popular sources, let me know. MuZemike 20:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Where are they? GamerPro64 (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have referenced them in a working edit in my sandbox. MuZemike 22:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Duck Hunt
I have nominated Duck Hunt for a Good Article reassessment. Basically, this was promoted over two years ago in the midst of lower GA standards than we have now. Anyways, please discuss at Talk:Duck Hunt/GA1. MuZemike 23:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Crystalis
Basically, the same reason as Duck Hunt as listed above. See Talk:Crystalis/GA1. MuZemike 08:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Status of NES Advantage
What does anyone else think: still a stub, or is it big enough to be Start-Class with an expand tag tacked on (see WP:STUB)? MuZemike 17:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Note – I have also requested comment at WT:VG as part of a more general discussion about the handling of stubs within WPVG. MuZemike 17:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)