Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Nintendo/Archive The Legend of Zelda 1

cvgproj
Please leave the WP:CVG banner on the talk pages. They automatically classify an article for the Wikipedia 1.0 project. If you could put  back on any pages that they have been removed from, that would be appreciated. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 07:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What if I combine the two two tags? That would be incredibly easier, since all tLoZ articles are also CVG articles. No reason not to, IMO. --NTDOY Fanboy 19:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone could merge the two, that would be great, as I'm not too good with templates and I want to keep the variables usable if the two are merged. Scepia 20:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: I put the cvgproj template coding into the zeldaproj template. I kept the core of the cvgproj template while customizing it for this project. I am keeping the CVG to-do list for now, but that may change, along with other thing(s). Scepia 03:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Now there are articles that contain two CVGProj banners. Someone (not me) should go through and fix this. Thanks! --WikiSlasher 05:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

To-Do's
Do we sign up or ask before working on one of the to-do's, or do we just go at? Also, where is the to-do list that is said to be in this talk page? Superneoking 22:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC) [:Go ahead, you can help in any way you want! Thank you for your support. I'm not sure that we need a to-do list on this page, we have one on the main page, so I will add to the main one and get rid of the mention in the project. Scepia 20:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC) I have taken the liberty of beginning work - see the Epona page for a reference I added there to the Legend of Zelda series horse we know and love. Just because the name is also that of an equine goddess does not mean we are not allowed to mention a reference contained in some epic video games. --TheTriumvir 14:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Signing Up?
Erm... May I join the project, if that is possible? I know quite a bit about the Zelda Series, if that helps. I had made the Poe Sisters, Jalhalla, etc. Articles. Whether the question I asked is successful or not, good luck! I'm all for such a Wikitendo thingymabobber! --Dreyfus 02:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, just add your name to the list of participants. Glad to have you! Scepia 20:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

If you'll have me, I'd also like to hop onboard this project. I too know much about the series. I also have plans for a few articles that I'd need some aid with in order to make them presentable... But I still have the information and plans. Thanks you. Lord Zymeth 10:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I am interested in joining as well.--Noah A. 07:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I will go ahead and add myself to the project - I'm very interested in helping out in any way I can, and it looks like we just add ourselves. Thanks, and let me know if any help is needed!

--TheTriumvir 20:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would also like to add myself to the project, if that's okay. Hope I can be of service! --Quijo 03:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be tossing my name in as well, I know a lot about the series but will limit myself to as many minor edits as possible. I'll be sure to run Major Changes through more experienced Wikipedia users first. --LinkBoz84 00:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll join the project, too. Just the other day, I had a craving to play Ocarina of Time on the N64 (which I haven't played for years). I don't know a lot about the series, but enough to add minor edits and several major edits. I can also revert vandalism in no time (with Popups that is). Thank you for your time and good luck on future edits! Sasuk e  -kun  27  16:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll join, too! Panserbjørn 15:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I will add my name to the project. I know a ton about Zelda, mostly about the enemies and characters. Pokemon Guy 13:25, 09 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags
Hi everyone. I'm not a member of this WikiProject, but given that it -- along with all the other video game WikiProjects -- is technically a subsidiary of the overall Computer and Video Games WikiProject, I thought I'd bring to your attention this proposal for the deletion of spoiler tags from all computer and video game articles. An in-depth explanation of the reasoning behind this can be found on the discussion page I've linked to (and a lot of additional discussion on the matter can be found in the places linked to from there, such as the spoiler warning talk page and this archive from it, in which a motion to contest the spoiler warning's Guideline status was successfully put forth), but to briefly summarize the reasoning behind this:


 * "In no way do [spoiler tags] actually contribute to the encyclopedia's purpose of being informative about subjects on a comprehensive level, and, in actuality, they're redundant of the fact that this is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is defined as a comprehensive source of information on a variety of subjects. This is...not a fansite or blog. Also, given that Wikipedia is not censored -- and, again, given that it is an encyclopedia -- what encyclopedic purpose are spoiler tags serving? The answer is ' not a single one. ' We already have a spoiler warning accessible from the bottom of every page of this encyclopedia. Wikipedia need not constantly reiterate that it is an encyclopedia."

If all of you could drop by and weigh in on this, we'd all appreciate it. We really feel like we're working toward the betterment of video game articles on Wikipedia -- and the betterment of Wikipedia as a whole -- by pushing for the removal of this unencyclopedic content. Thanks for your time. Ryu Kaze 22:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Puzzle game?
Why is Puzzle game being added as genre? The puzzles are part of the adventure genre, but are most certainly not making it a puzzle game. JackSparrow Ninja 20:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Dark Link
I have a question in regards to Enemies in The Legend of Zelda series. Wouldn't it be better to have "real" screen-shots of Dark Link in the article as opposed to ones created with the help of a cheating device? Readers who haven't played those games may get the wrong impression that Dark Link can be playable by normal means. -SaturnYoshi 21:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Link
Link (The Legend of Zelda series) has been put up for Featured Article Review, so if you want to help improve it to current FA standard, its there! I'll try to help out too. Judgesurreal777 00:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Link (The Legend of Zelda series)
Link (The Legend of Zelda series) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have arrived from WP:FF to help with the Link article. I will be adding story references for the LttP, LA, OoT, and MM sections. I hope to get further involved as well.  Sir Crazyswordsman  03:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Integration with cvgproj
A request has been made at WikiProject Computer and video games talk to integrate the zeldaproj template into the CVG header itself. The newly integrated template can be seen here: User:Hbdragon88/Temp. Thoughts? Objections? --PresN 15:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The zeldaproj template already does class and importance... do we need more integration?!?! Scepia 05:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See, that's the thing. The importance and class ratings should be and are already handled by the parent cvgproj header.  It doesn't matter how important it is within LoZ; it's how important it is under the scope of the CVG project for Wikipedia 1.0.  And this is one of the templates that I'm pushing to be intergrated - with cvgproj, NESproj, and this one, the talk page can get quite cluttered. Hbdragon88 07:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Merger
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords DS into The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. The whole premise of this, that there was ever a Four Swords DS game in creation, is false.

If you look in the link in this articles references, this is what is stated in an interview with a Nintendo higher up:

GI: Will there be any connectivity with the Nintendo DS?

Aonuma: No there won’t be any connectivity with the DS. We do have another Zelda game up and running on the DS, but unfortunately, because our goal is to get this one done by the end of the year we can’t focus too much attention on that one.

GI: Is that Four Swords DS?

Aonuma: No, it’s not Four Swords. Actually, the interview that I was talking about a DS Zelda and Four Swords, I was explaining that with Four Swords we worked with two screens, and because of the experience we had with working with two screens we could easily adapt a system like that with the DS and do different things with it. But I never said that we were actually developing Four Swords for the DS.

In light of this, I believe this article belongs in the development section of Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. Please contribute your thoughts on the Four Swords DS talk page. Judgesurreal777 22:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge away!!! - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES  01:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Zelda Weapons and Items Template
Is it really needed? The idea behind a template is to link all articles of the same subject to each other for quick accsess. But, every item and weapon in the series is listed on the same page, Weapons and items from The Legend of Zelda series. How much use could this temeplate really be? -- Jelly Soup 06:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyone have a comment? -- Jelly Soup 21:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's useless. Nominate it for deletion, right? Scepia 19:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Jelly Soup 20:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Translation Error
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (ゼルダの伝説 ムジュラの仮面, Zelda no Densetsu: Majora no Kamen?) This was translated into Romaji incorrectly. ムジュラ is translated to "Mujura" not "Majora", "Majora" is written マジョラ, Whether the title is Majora or Mujura is what I don't know.

I'd thought I'd point that out instead of editing the article. This is my first time as a member, but I've been surfing wikipedia for a year or so now, so sorry in advance for doing anything wrong. Christian TJP 00:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Christian_TJP


 * The Japanese name is "Mask of Mujula". It was changed to "Majora" when translated. So it should say "Mujula no Kamen".  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES  06:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Some changes...
Sraan and myself have worked hard to improve some of the older Zelda articles. Hopefully, these changes will be helpful to your project. Grendel 20:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Merging?
I think many of the articles that form the WP:Zelda series should be merged into their respective lists: Gossip Stone, Rupee, nearly all of the enemies (just take a look at Keese), most of the places/locations, Great Fairy, Agahnim, Onox, Twinrova, Vaati, Veran, and probably a few others. The lists, perhaps, can be made encyclopedic (although they can stand to remove characters GameFAQs guides might even neglect to mention), but I can't see justification for many of these individual articles. There's also the added benefit of making the templates less choad-like. I don't know how the rest of you feel regarding the inclusion of character analyses or location lists, but I think that WP:Zelda would be better represented by a smaller set of outstanding articles than a slew of trivial articles plastered with merge or cite tags (unfortunately, that's become the norm for WP:CVG).

Kudos to you guys who have taken mighty efforts to keep the Link article at featured article standards. :) --Tristam 00:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've also noticed that a lot of new articles are being created for minor enemies that only make a few appearances - like Redeads, Skulltulas, or Iron Knuckles. Gohma seems to be the worst - at least the other enemies are essentially the same thing in each appearance, while Gohmas change drastically and are only as bound together as Lanmolas, Moldorms, and Twinmolds.
 * I can understand Dark Link having an article - he's a major boss/enemy that appears in many games. Also, Keese or Octorok, as they appear in nearly every game, something that was even brought to the attention in Wind Waker. Even Darknuts or Armos, as they also appear in many games and are common enemies. But having an article for every small enemy is a bit much.KrytenKoro 20:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Something wrong with the locationstemplate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Zelda_places

Why is Termina listed on its own line in bold? It seems like a title, but all of the locations below it are in Hyrule. — Captain 538  [talk] 01:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Project Directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
 * User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
 * User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
 * User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
 * User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
 * User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
 * User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
 * User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
 * User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ganon
This article has potential to improve and be of good article status. Perhaps we should work on it? ~ZytheTalk to me! 14:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Portal
I have added a Zelda Portal. If you would like to contribute, please do so. here. DarknessLord


 * Is that Twilight Princess Ganondorf picture real? - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES  16:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep. DarknessLord (talk)

Problem with Ganon article.
Basically, there are persistent editors without points who conclude that the OoT depiction of Ganon is "the best" and "portrays his character most" without noting the inherent OR and POV in their assumptions. Any notes about the consistency of the character and what makes Ganon cannot be regarded seriously by Wikipedia rules. Therefore it is best to stick to his most frequent depiction. There also seems to be a drive to place a poor quality and unnecessary in-game image of OoT Ganon in the article which goes against fair use image limitation rules as well as looks terrible. I also suspect that several users may even be using sockpuppets or hiring friends on forums to aid them in doing so and trying to sway consensus, not realising that Wikipedia is based on intelligent argument not sheer voting and persistence.

I would like if the article could be watched closely. Because OoT is "the best game" or "shows who Ganon really is" does not make it the most encyclopedic depiction, especially when the article is supposed giving a balanced overview of his character since the 80s. Pictures that depict Ganon in different ages are perfectly acceptable in (and are better suited to) their individual game portrayal sections. The entire article is in constant danger of becoming OoT-biased/centered.~ZytheTalk to me!
 * You have Wikipedia policy on your side so don't feel bad if you constantly revert them and then slap them with WP:3RR. Axem Titanium 00:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's bad. Edit warring, regardless of if it's a clear violation of 3RR, is a blockable offense. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet, there are exceptions in bad cases.
 * In which case, as said, you have Wikipedia policy behind you. JackSparrow Ninja 20:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Majora's Mask
I just thought I would tell you all that someone has requested that Majora be moved to Majora's Mask, for those interested. TJ Spyke 04:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I'd rather it not be done. Lord Zymeth 04:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You can count me in as well! ALSO: OR problem.
As someone who's been watching at least a few of the pages in this project, I'd like to join it.

Now, as an imminent problem that I think could use some attention, there seems to a large amount of original research going on throughout the project, especially on the subject of a clear continuity between the games. Now, I'd be perfectly willing to believe such things if there were some sort of definitive, verifiable, and reliable source for this information, but I've seen nothing of the sort. For something of this scale, I'd think multiple sources would be preferrable, or at least something directly from Nintendo. Either way, I hope we can resolve this issue as a community, regardless of how it is resolved (Either sourcing it or keeping it out of the articles), and I hope to help with this project more in the future. -- Digital Watches  !  06:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Nintendo Power Players' Guide for the Ocarina of Time gives a sort of timeline of the Zelda games that were released at that time. It tells that Ocarina happened first, then LTtP then the first two NES titles (I forget where Link's Awakening happens, I believe it was after LTtP).  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES  06:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable... but do they have that from the team that produces LoZ or is it NP's staff's assumptions (Being an American publication)? Also, can you possibly scan this and put it on the internet somewhere so it's verifiable? Sorry for all the trouble, but it all seems fishy to me. -- Digital Watches  !  07:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I got this from Link's article: "Miyamoto has stated that Ocarina of Time is the first story, followed by Majora's Mask, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past, with Link's Awakening falling sometime after Ocarina of Time.".


 * The NP order was a little off. - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES  07:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. Now at least it's not entirely unsourced. Could we work to add that as a reference to anywhere that tries to state a continuity? Also: Assumptions of ancestry, multiplicity or lack thereof of Ganon, speculation as to that which happened between, and the like are still OR as far as I'm concerned, but good that we've worked out what's canon about the timeline (Which thus far is only inclusive of the games mentioned, correct?). Thanks for the source. -- Digital Watches  !  07:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But when ALttP was made, it was specifically being made as a prequel to the first two games. The Link's Awakening guide backs this up - it has a "retrospective" on the first three games, and specifically states that ALttP is a prequel to them, and LA a sequel to ALttP.
 * I personally think that Miyamoto and the A guy (can't remember how to spell his name right) are too busy with all their myriad projects to remember all the pieces of the Zelda games that place them in whatever order they go. Of course, that's my personal OR.KrytenKoro 20:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)