Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Xbox/Archive 1

Sorry!
I've fixed a couple of minor spelling mistakes for you but did not realise you were editing larger portions than normal. CagedKiller360 (talk) 22:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for finding them. We're quickly filling in information, and havn't had time to check all the spelling. Feel free to join up and help edit the page, we could use help. --DJS24 (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

On image use
Copyrighted non-free images such as product logos and promotional materials may not be used outside of the article namespace. You may link to these images by including a colon before the image name, as in image:image.jpg, doing this will prevent the image from being rendered. For more information on non-free content and why it can't be used on WikiProject pages, please see Non-free content criteria exemptions and the more general WP:NFCC guidelines.

When using photographs of consoles or console accessories, bear in mind that you can only use free licensed imagery. Replaceable images from press kits are not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. Luckily, there's a treasure trove of free images you may use from the Wikimedia Commons. These are located at commons:Category:Xbox 360 and commons:Category:Xbox.

Since the images used in the 360 wikiproject violate Wikipedia policies, I have removed them or replaced them with free alternatives where available. I've also removed the Microsoft logos from the relevant userbox. If these were duplicate or orphaned images, I will delete them. You are welcome to create copyright-free replacements for any deleted image, provided that they are not derivative works or trademark infringements. Please let me know if you have any further questions or if you need help with procuring free images. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 04:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC) (also posted at member talk pages)
 * If the members of this WikiProject continue violating Wikipedia policies by using non-free images outside of articlespace, they will be blocked from editing. Stop and read over WP:NFC. I just deleted a half-dozen copyright violations used only for this project, I'd rather not have to deal with future infractions. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Template Error
Someone should fix that template (spelling errors) Talk! 01:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  04:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
Would it be more accurate to name this Wikiproject "Wikiproject Xbox"? I'm just thinking that a comparable project, Wikiproject PlayStation, is named after the company's original console on the market, and there is a lot of interesting stuff about both Xbox consoles. (and come 2010-2011 when the Xbox 720 or whatever they call it comes out, it would be awkward to have the project named Xbox 360.) Maybe you could make a task force for the Xbox 360 as part of the broader Xbox project. Just a suggestion. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 03:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We are thinking of doing that. Orignally we were just going to have 360 stuff but then we decided to in Xbox stuff too. Do you know if there is any way to change the name or do we have copy everything and put it on a new page? Best wishes.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I realize that Playstation and Sega have their portals that way (we had it that way before) but I really don't like. I like the beginning box and the news box but I don't like the article box and game box.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 15:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Portal/project discussion
We can rename the project by moving all the related pages to new pages. (like move this page to WikiProject Xbox) It will take some work (especially all the portal subpages) but I don't think it will be too hard to do. Also, whoever designed the pics/logos for the project should probably upload new version of those to reflect the changes. If you guys don't object, I'll start moving the pages right now.

I get my news for the PlayStation portal by going to google news, typing in "PlayStation 3" or "PSP" and finding interesting news items. Then, I write a quick description (ie. "Sony announces that they are turning all their PS3 production over to Microsoft.") and then include a link to a website's story on the topic. (ie. "" ). One thing we should probably avoid (I've done this over at the other project) is posting speculation in the news section. I can tell you, I've been tempted to at times, and I've always been glad I didn't. Its safest to stick with solid announcements and news stories. Again, that's just my opinion and you guys are welcome to put anything you want in there. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 19:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "upload new versions."--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When you go to an image page, there is an option near the bottom of the page to "upload a new version of this file." I'm saying that if we change the name of the project, someone will have to update the pic Image:P1290340.jpg to reflect that change. (If you want, I can do it because all I'll have to do is edit out the word "360" and recenter the text.) So you do you want to go ahead and rename it? Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  20:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, we should re-name the site WikiProject Xbox. I don't know why it was named this way to begin with, clearly blackwatch doesn't know what he's talking about.--Noah Baurer (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me. Maybe because we were going to make two different sites buddy. Second what is this we thing. If we are going to change the name leave it to the creators. If you want to be a member don't cause trouble.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So what's the verdict? Do we want to rename this project, keep it as is, or maybe make two projects? Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  20:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I switched the name. It is now WikiProject Xbox. Thingg can you please add that featured article into it. I will take care of the pictures. Noah, next time you want to act like a big shot, go some place else. Best wishes.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * added article back in. I'm glad we changed it. Let's go WikiProject Xbox!!! (ok, that was corny, but hey...) Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  21:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, I'm glad we changed the name, when I first put it up, I didn't think I was going to include the old Xbox. Thanks DJS--DJS24 (talk) 21:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Project logo
I made this pic as part of the Xbox 360 portal's logo, and I thought it might work well for the logo for our Wikiproject. Any thoughts? Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 16:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Put it on, looks good.--DJS24 (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

to be used only on exclusive titles?
I was under the impression that was only to be used on Xbox/360 exclusive titles. As such I removed it from Call of Duty 4's talk page. Please clarify if I've misunderstood. xenocidic (talk) 20:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We are allowed to put that template on anything that uses the Xbox/Xbox 360 name. Not just the Halo series or Gears of War but any game. Best wishes.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. You should clarify this on the project home page as it seems to read that it should be used only for exclusive titles. xenocidic (talk) 20:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm somewhat wary of putting on non-exclusive titles, if we do, the  should appear below the  . xenocidic (talk) 20:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perfect example - notice how the Playstation project only tags Playstation exclusives? imho we should follow suit. xenocidic (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My bad for putting it on that page, you are right about it only suppoed to be put on Xbox and Xbox 360 exclusive games. Sorry about that, it was like 1:30 am then... Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  01:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

What will have to be the guideline for xboxp
The following directions have been added under the template:

"When placing this template on an article about a video game, please make sure that the game was only released for the Xbox or Xbox 360. It is acceptable to put this template on exclusive Xbox or Xbox 360 games with ports for PC or other devices that are not dedicated video game consoles or handhelds. This template should be placed below the more general vgproj template."

That will have to be the way it is because we can't have all the different video games-related Wikiprojects having their "this article is under the scope of the ~blank~ Wikiproject..." on all multi-platform games. Also, neither the PlayStation Project or the Nintendo Project put their template on games that aren't exclusive to their respective project's consoles. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 01:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

NPOV
"1. To make the Xbox name look better than the rest."

WTF? What happend to WP:NPOV?? -- Mr Stalker  ( talk ) 22:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This definately needs to be looked at. Perhaps something along the lines of "To ensure Xbox-related articles are of the utmost quality." xenocidic (talk) 22:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The situation has been addressed. Mr.Stalker, please leave your uncivil comments on a different page. I appreicate your concern but address it in a better way next time.--DJS24 (talk) 23:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, but I hardly think my comment was insulting to anyone, was it? -- Mr Stalker  ( talk ) 08:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF?< That is not a very appropriate way to consult a problem and you think it is alright. Next time don’t use that kind of language in this talk page.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome, from the PlayStation Project
Welcome to the wikiproject community! I'm excited to see another video game wikiproject. If you guys need any help or advise just leave a message on WP:TPSP talk page. I wish that the relationship between our projects stays peaceful, unlike the terrible fanboy feuds everywhere else on the web. Cool logo by the way!--Playstationdude (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate the welcome. Best wishes.--DJS24 (talk) 01:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warm welcome. and don't worry, I'll leave my rampant fanboyism at forums.xbox.com ;p. xenocidic (talk) 00:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You can be assured that I will leave any and all fanboy rants and POVs off this site. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  01:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Xbox members list
Do you guys want to use an ordered (numbered) list for the members page instead of the current unordered list? I've noticed that many narrow-scope projects use this system and I think it would be easier to keep track of who is joining that way. Ideas? Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 02:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * DONE --DJS24 (talk) 02:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "console" exclusivity. Please visit and comment.
I brought a dispute regarding an edit war on List of Xbox 360 games regarding "console" exclusivity to the VG WP Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games to try and be neutral, but your comments are welcome. xenocidic (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

All Matters
I would just like to apologize for the xboxp template. I just put my name so people could reach me and I wasn't thinking of what could happened as a result. I would like to leave all of this behind such as exclusive names, xboxp and "so-called" fighting over a what name goes first in the info box, and do what I made this project for, and that is to improve all the Xbox pages. My apologies, BW21.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem man. Let's just put it behind us and focus on improving Xbox articles. xenocidic (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Blackwatch21 - Your intentions are good, it's ashame we have some people trying to destroy the project. I have noticed that the people complaining are also very involved in the playstation project. The reason I love this project so much, is how it's completely different than other projects. Now I don't edit much for the project or anything, but I'm always reading the project site and related articles. I felt my input was needed. Xenocidic, I see your upset with the creators, as I see you mentioned it in Thingg's talkpage. Please address your concerns, I want to hear them. I also find it funny you address it on someone's talk page instead of the discussion, when you tell everyone else to talk on the discussion page. Let me point out that DJS24 has designed the entire project, with yes other members help, but he felt the need to design and start it up, and for someone like you to come in here and question the creators ideas is not quite right. --Noah Baurer (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * no one is trying to destroy this project. I'm not upset with the creators, and kudos to them for getting this started up. There was a slight disagreement over how Template:xboxp should be displayed, if you'd like to see the debate, click here. as far as my comments on Thingg's talk page - those were just minor gripes, as I had resolved to stop arguing about the template. however, subsequently, Blackwatch has fixed the template. I may have misinterpreted his intent and if so, I apologize. but even if I did, my other arguments as to the reasons for the template to look the way it does now are, imo, relevant. again, I think we've resolved the issue and can put it behind us and move onto more pressing matters. xenocidic (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear that your reservations about the leadership of the xboxp, are only minor gripes. However if anyone has concerns about the so called leadership, please address it, I'm ALL ears. As for the fighting over who's name goes first, that was merely my friend changing it everytime he is on my computer. As you can see I undid a edit done by my own username. I would advise that this issue goes away very quickly, I'm upset it has gone to this point. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 00:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * again, as far as I'm concerned, everything is over and done with. the template is fixed. for whatever reason Noah decided to stir the pot. xenocidic (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

This whole arguement ends now. Anymore arguing about this useless topic will not be tolerated. P.S. Can everyone start capitalizing their sentences sometimes I can't understand what they mean. Thanks.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

combine templates?
i like the new template, but is there some way we could combine the two templates and  ? xenocidic (talk) 05:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. as noted on the project page, you now add  to the xboxp to add the subtemplate.  Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  20:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice job thingg. I know I can always count on you for doing wikithingg's I have no idea how to accomplish =) xenocidic (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to get a new logo.
They're RFD'ing it on Commons because it is a derivative work. Sorry. ViperSnake151 13:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Every image has a right to a fair trial. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Wikiproject_Xbox_logo.png xenocidic (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have already gone through ALL the steps to make sure this image is allowed. We fixed it before at the request of other admins. Can you tell me whats wrong with this image? It doesn't break any guidelines. Also, can you tell me who put it up for deletion? Who ever put up, I want to talk to them. Thanks DJS--DJS24 (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Victory is ours. xenocidic (talk) 16:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Image use/rights battles can be difficult. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 16:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Finally.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, Lewis Collard from the Commons here. I've been asked to re-open the deletion request, so I have (admins are meant to leave it seven days before closing them; I thought this was a clear-cut case but maybe it's not). I don't think the logo is eligible for copyright, but Anetode doesn't seem to agree and didn't get a chance to respond before I closed the DR.

I think an optimal solution, which would please everyone, would be for one of you to make one with a simpler arrangement of green circles. That way, Anetode won't have an issue with it and you still get to keep your logo. With love, 91.125.86.98 (talk) 21:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

user categories nominated for deletion
These pertain to us, both were drive-by nominations with dubious justification.

Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 17:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. xenocidic (talk) 14:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

WOOOOOOOOOO!
1 MONTH ANNIVERSARY. Keep the good work to all members, we're doing great.--Blackwatch21 (talk) & DJS24 (talk)
 * Will there be......cake? xenocidic (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, a virtual cake would be fine for me. 63.64.127.45 (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

8bitJake and 8bitjoystick.com
Many recent edits by the user "8bitjake" appear to be designed to drive traffic to his blog. He regularily makes uncited, NPOV claims. It appears that he is using Wikipedia in order to drive traffic to his blog.

For instance, today, he has made a post which you can read here 

The blog post says things such as;

"I mean come on guys. If your going to edit Wikipedia for PR purposes at least don't do it from a computer that is going to register as a Microsoft IP. If there are anyone at Microsoft PR reading this tell the user at the IP "131.107.0.73" that they need to be a little more discrete about their removal and alteration of a heavily controversial article such as "Xbox 360 technical problems". The Wikipedia user edited the article at work on a Microsoft.com network on 2007-08-03 and 2007-08-02. They have also made several edits on a variety of articles so I doubt that this user is a press relations agent. I don't think it's a deliberate conspiracy but the appearance of a conflict of interest is there."

For starters, 131.107.0.73 is clearly a proxy of some kind -- just look at the variety / frequency of chnages. Clearly not a single person.

Further, what are the content of Microsoft's edits?

"a warranty length cover all Xbox 360s sold." became " a warranty length covering all Xbox 360s sold"

"Xbox 360, that could cause a" became "Xbox 360 which could cause"

"It should also be noted that voiding the warranty by opening the system will prevent a user from ever being able to send in the console to an authorized service centre"

became

"Opening the system manually will void the warranty, preventing a user from being able to send in the console to an authorized service center"

"in use; which" became "in use, which"

"However it should be noted that there have been many reports of such devices doing exactly the opposite" became "However, reports indicate that such devices are doing exactly the opposite"

"However this extended warrranty only covers the 'General Hardware Failure' fault, all other faults" became "However, this extended warranty only covers the 'General Hardware Failure' fault, and all other faults"

Thats it. That is all the changes. Now, does the blog post sound at all accurate? It seems very purposefully designed to misrepresent the situation.

This blog post has been picked up by the Gaming News world, and now can be seen here as well as many other places to be certain.

8bitjake's Blog Post will now be picked up and reported widely. Then, he will proably wish to include this blog-post (And the 2nd posts) and argue for inclusion (as he did with a couple previous blogposts.

His method has been: 1) make blog post 2) wait for news outlets to repeat it 3) include it in wikipedia 4) Traffic (profit)!

I HIGHLY recommend that Wikipedians -- and especially members of the Xbox Project -- be very careful to monitor the activities of this user.

It is my reasonsed opinion that he is using Wikipedia to provide credibility and traffic for his blog. Wageslave (talk) 18:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would appreciate some help watching the edits made by 8bitjake to the Xbox 360 Technical problems page.


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems you'll note that he is using that page to repeat blog posts he makes himself.


 * Wageslave (talk) 21:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I do think that Wageslave is acting like he owns that article and is not acting in good faith. He constantly has been insulting, obsessive, hostile and petty and I am this close to reporting his negative actions to the admins. He is acting like a rabid fanboy rather than an objective editor.

Here are some of the things that I wrote on the Discussion page

"Actually if you go back and read the review and articles that I’ve written over the years about Xbox 360 you will see that I have plenty of good things to say about the system. You are not my headshrink and shouldn’t knee jerk assume what others think about the topic at hand. Again there are many editors on Wikipedia and no single editor *owns* any article.

Actually I don’t need any traffic and traffic from Wikipedia is way less than 0.5% of my referral traffic. I’ve gotten several hundred times the traffic from Digg, Joystiq, Kotaku, Engadget. But it's a moot point since I've allready been established as a credible source on this topic by other media sources such as Joystiq.

Destructive editing is systematically undoing or deleting someone else’s contributions in bad faith without discussion or a consensus of all editors involved.

My edits are based on the facts that I know, not opinions but facts."

". I don't feel like your insults and calling me a "Blogtroll" is NPOV. Should we open a moderation review on you, I don't feel like your editing in good faith, try not to be so obsessive about this article, we are all equal editors. I am not anti-Microsoft and in fact I have several friends that work there. That is why my reporting is considered to be a reputable source by Joystiq.com, Kotaku.com, Newsweek and the Seattle PI and many more. My claims are based on information that comes from inside the Xbox team actually. The video game industry already regards my work as credible, thats why it gets reported. Wageslave you really should try and reach a consensus through discussion before engaging in any further destructive editing."

"Try to Avoid Destructive Editing I am not going to name names but everyone should try to avoid further destructive or disparaging editing of others work. Destructive editing is systematically undoing or deleting someone else’s contributions in bad faith without discussion or a consensus of all editors involved. We should all follow the editing rules. Also try to avoid attacking other editors and avoid use weasel words. Remember no one editor owns any article and let’s try to work together without having to being Admins involved.

--8bitJake (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Also I bet you all twenty bucks that Wageslave is n4user1   They cover the same topics and say almost the same thing using almost the same phrases. --8bitJake (talk) 00:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's clear that this is a edit dispute between the two of you. I appreciate the concerns you both brought up to the project. We will keep an eye out for them, but I would appreciate you both moving your dispute to another talk page. You both stated what we should watch and thats all we need to know. Regards DJS--DJS24 (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Fatal Inertia
Can you guys take a sec to work on it.--Playstationdude (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about it, but what's wrong?. What needs to be worked on? --DJS24 (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Just seems short of info for a game already out. The sad thing is that I was excited about it, but it never had a PS3 release, so I don't really know a story or anything.--Playstationdude (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll start working on it. BW21.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 19:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 technical problems
Have asked project editors to respond to see if article can be removed from "articles to fix". --DJS24 (talk) 16:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it could still use some touching up but yea, go ahead and remove it. xenocidic (talk) 02:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The article has serious issues IMHO. It is littered with uncredible and uncited "facts".  It is littered with accusations and bias.  The article needs much work, and more balance and a neutral-POV established.
 * Wageslave (talk) 03:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll re-list it under "Tasks", and I'll start working on tommorrow. Thanks for your responses. DJS --DJS24 (talk) 03:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Honstly I think that Wageslave has an axe to grind and dosen't like to hear that there might be any technical problems with the Xbox 360. I think he has been editing like he owns the article and has not been editing in good faith.--8bitJake (talk) 06:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

How do I get involved in adding a new technical problem on the XBOX 360 page? With a 6 month old x360, 2 of my 7 games have developed small "micro cracks" radiating out from the spindle hole. Over a short amount of time (days / weeks?) the "spokes" reach the readable area of the disk and affect play. I've also seen one disk that seems to experience flaking or delamination around the clamping ring area. I don't know what the root cause is just yet, and I just got through a nasty customer experience trying to return the affected disks at best buy. As I learn more about the problem, I'd like a forum to report what I find and hopefully share info with others experiencing similar problems. There's not a lot of info available just yet, so i was planning to catalog the known disk case styles and investigate if any of them are causing the issue, as it seems like a lot more force is required to engage the spindle grabber on the xbox 360 case vs std CD cases. Would someone give me a heads up on where to go from here, especially on an article that is currently locked? Thanks, AaronDelonga (talk) 02:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa this is new on me, try this (http://forums.xbox.com) if you want a forum, it's not much but it could help. I don't like the sound of the disc problems and this could be a new thing Microsoft has to look into; if you wanted to help yourself try catorising how much you played on it and if anything happened to the console or discs and stuff like that.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

New WikiProject Ad
We have a new WikiProject Xbox advertisment made by ♠  TomasBat. If you would like to put it on your user page go to our template section and follow the instructions. BW21.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 00:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Gamerscore userbox
Thought you guys might like this,


 * User:Xenocidic/Gamerscore

use   to add this to your userpage  (who's using it?)

Enjoy! xenocidic (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2008
 * Nice job, might be hard to keep up with though. AP Shinobi (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I update mine every once in a while. I'm a bit of a gamerscorewhore ;>. xenocidic (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if you could incorporate a way to make the GS update itself, might be a bit tough though. AP Shinobi (talk) 00:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's definitely beyond my area of expertise, but feel free to tinker with it as you wish. xenocidic (talk) 00:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ring of Life Light and colloquial terms
Colloquialisms are not Wikipedia worthy. Goto the page on "Vagina" and see how many times the word "vagina" is replaced by popular slang terms.

"Ring of death" or "ring of doom" should be removed completely from all these pages.

Wageslave (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean ring of "light" ? I think mention of the term does have a place on Xbox 360 technical problems as it is commonly referred to as the RROD. heck, BSOD, has it's own article, even (Blue screen of death). xenocidic (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's "Ring of Light" - and I do think it should be mentioned in the article. Even though it's not the offical name, I call it the 'Ring of Light". If you take it out, what would you call the problem? I mean, the article/people refer to that problem a lot and most of the time they call it the "Ring of Light". --DJS24 (talk) 20:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the "Ring of Light" phase should be mentioned, as it is called that by millions of Xbox 360 users. Wages, you are correct, that is not the correct saying of the problem, however most people are under the assumption that it is. NOAH! --Noah Baurer (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If you can’t read between the lines Wageslave is continuing his bizarre holy war on any mention of technical problems with the Xbox 360. He is complaining about the wording of the phrase and then going to use that as an excuse to cut any problems that mention it.

I’ll have to send an email off the Xbox marketing team as ask them what phase they use and if they ever colloquially use the term Red Ring of Death. They do call the part the Ring of Light however the error message from a "General Hardware Fault" is refered to as the Red Ring of Death.--8bitJake (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

We should consider Request for Arbitration case against Wageslave
I wonder if we should start an Request for Arbitration case against Wageslave. It is obvious that he is not editing in good faith, or is even remotely willing to work with others and is frequently hostile and insulting to other editors. I think his constant angry demagoguing and edit wars are a negative influence on all of the articles related to the Xbox 360. Personally I think an Request for Arbitration case should be opened requesting he be banned from all Xbox related articles. Really he should just start his own Wiki or Blog where he is the only editor if he constantly refuses to work with other editors.--8bitJake (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would, viewing the history, I see that he's been very difficult around this issue. It's clear that he doesn't care about other user's views. However, I would wait to hear from other users of the project before taking action. NOAH!--Noah Baurer (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am in full support of this arbitration, especially with his "see no evil, hear no evil" edits he carried out recently throughout the weekend of March 29, 2008. He was this difficult when the hardware problems surfaced to the public as of June 2007. Dibol (talk) 05:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think an Arbitration is needed, his edits seem to be in good faith. However, 8bitJake, you have been dealing with him, so I would say the descision is up to you. If you believe one is needed, then I'll leave that up to you. None of the members of the project but you have been dealing with him, so I can't see how any of our inputs are needed. DJS--DJS24 (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Articles
We need to start going through Xbox articles and rating them as to what ones need improving. I noticed we're getting low with articles that need improvement and I sure there are tons of articles that need work. NOAH! --Noah Baurer (talk) 15:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've ask Noah to post this request here instead of on my talk page, so maybe some other project members can contribute. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussion on Xbox 360 Cancelled page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_cancelled_Xbox_360_games

I've made a few notes on the discussion page. If we could see some input/discussion on Ghost, Champions Online (formerly Marvel Online Universe) and Haze (for the Xbox 360).

Thanks all.

Wageslave (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Call of Duty Vandalism
Try and watch for vandalism on the Call of Duty Series page, it has been getting vandalised alot lately. AP Shinobi (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know a lot about the series, so I will keep a eye out for it.--Noah Baurer (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC) NOAH!
 * Yeah, according to the vandals, there will be aliens in COD5. xenocidic (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't believe all the vandal I'm finding on ALL the Call of Duty articles. I see you two have also been busy removing vandalism too. NOAH!--Noah Baurer (talk) 20:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes - I have noticed several vandals on these pages, I'll watch them as well. I've been so busy w/ another situation that I haven't had much to review xbox articles. Thanks DJS --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 21:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Watch out for a repeat IP vandal replacing "Call of Duty" with "Cock of Duty". I'll try and revert thins whenever I can.  And ya Noah, I try and revert vandalism before school each day AP Shinobi (talk) 00:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

We need a new logo
Something that isn't a derivative work. Any artists in the fold? xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Did they give a main reason for deleting the logo? I couldn't find the link to the deletion report. That's ashame, Thiing did a great job in designing this one. By any chance, did anyone contact him to make another one? NOAH! --Noah Baurer (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * YES - if anyone knows how to make a nice logo, please feel free to make one. DJS --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 21:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

An old topic (over a year, but hey) I too agree that we need a new logo, one more like the 360. A flaming X doesn't even mean Xbox to me Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Xbox 360 is a "Good article" again
Great work anyone who helped out on this one. We achieved "Good article" status (again). xenocidic (talk) 00:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice achievement, good job guys! AP Shinobi (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Remove GoW2 From The List
I suggest we remove GoW2 from the expand task list, it is looking good right now. AP Shinobi (talk) 11:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed - but I suggest we start finding some more articles that need work. DJS --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 23:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll remove GoW2 from the list, and start looking for new Xbox Articles needing improvement. AP Shinobi (talk) 14:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Scale
Just to let all WikiProject Xbox members that we have recently created an assessment system. That means that members will be able to assess all Xbox-related articles themselves. You can see the assessment on the talk page box on the talkpage. PLEASE view our assessment page to learn how assess pages. It is very easy if you know how to. You can see a similar system on WikiProject VG's talk page boxes. Soon there will be a assessment statistics box at the bottom of the page. BW21. -- B lack W atch 21  01:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just remember that articles need not always have the same assessment and priority on different scales, i.e. whereas the VGProject might call it a "medium" importance, there is nothing wrong with our project calling it "High" importance. xenocidic (talk) 22:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct because to Wikiproject Xbox a game article may be very important but to the VG project ,which is more general, it may be less important. That's becuase the VG project has many articles that are important. BW21. -- B lack W atch 21  00:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. If you want to put medium, you have to put mid. BW21. -- B lack W atch 21  00:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The Gears of War Characters article nominated for deletion, please help stop
Hello, it appears that the GoW Character article has been nominated for deletion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gears_of_War_characters_and_adversaries#Delta_Squad

Please go here and voice support to keep it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Gears_of_War_characters_and_adversaries

Thank-you.

Wageslave (talk) 02:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The nomination for deletion has been widthdrawn. AP Shinobi (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

CoD5 Removed From "Expand" List
I removed CoD5 from the Expand list because it has all the info on it that is available that does not make Wiki a cyrstal ball. It should be re-added to the list once the game is released, but I see no further need of expansion until then. AP Shinobi (talk) 14:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed - DJS --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 22:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Save Arby!
Arby 'n' the Chief is being requested for speedy deletion, it is a good article that shows the effect Halo has had on American culture. Please vote to keep! AP Shinobi (talk) 14:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Somewhat critical task: List of cooperative games for the Xbox 360
Great article, but presently all the descriptions are copy and pasted from Xbox.com - this needs to be rectified as soon as possible. The descriptions could be taken from the article pages for each game. xenocidic (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll get to work on some of them as soon as I can. I'll report back when I'm done. AP Shinobi (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done =) AP Shinobi (talk) 20:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello WikiProject Xbox
I would like to offer you an invitation to please review this RFC and make comment. There is a campaign to harass me from editing, and I believe my edits are being misrepresented. If you have a moment, can you please have a look.

Thank-you. Wageslave (talk) 00:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I ask whoever reads that article to really spend time reviewing it and comment on their experiences with wageslave.--Playstationdude (talk) 21:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

blu-ray
I haven't been able to find info on the xbox articles about the blu-ray drive that has been reported by a manufacturer.--Playstationdude (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Usertop to display at the top of your userpage also - Logo needs a transparent background
I like these things Wikipedia:WikiProject_Xbox/usertop shows the project logo at the top of your userpage with a link to the project page. (Example at User:Xenocidic). P.S. our logo shoudl have a transparent background...bw21? xenocidic (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I really dont have time to do that, but you can if you want or anyone else. Just send me a message and I'll send you info. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  20:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I modified the old image to add transparency and added it to all the places the old one was used. The new logo is Image:Wpxboxlogo.png. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  16:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  00:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pimpin'. Nice work thingg. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 13:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Dead Space
Hello. I'm new here and for my first task I was going to take a look at the Dead Space article. If anyone wants to contribute/make some suggestions I'd be tickled pink. JMalky (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the project. Happy Editing --<b style="color:green;">AP</b>ShinobiMy Contribs 21:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  21:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Xbox
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Mass Effect Mass Edit
Hello WikiProject Xbox-ites, i have recently done a Mass edit on the Races in Mass Effect article, changes are as follows: A council species section has been added The Asari, Salarian and Turian sub-sections have been copied and pasted into the council species section and Following the copying and pasting of those 3 sub-sections, the originals have been deleted from the sentient species area(don't worry, the copied sub-sections are still in the Council Species section)

That is all. See you all later-Jedi77 (talk) 11:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Halo Future Games
As Wikiproject Xbox members, we should start looking into improving Halo Wars, Halo: Chronicles and the New Bungie Halo Project. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  22:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * With as little info as there is about the final two, it would be hard to do that without making wiki a Cyrstal Ball. --<b style="color:green;">AP</b>ShinobiMy Contribs 14:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

WPBannerMeta
Hey all, does anyone have a problem with this edit? (ignore the non-existent categories, that can be changed easily if it's not suitable). This is the current template for a comparison. I converted the project template (Xboxp) to the standardised WikiProject template but I was reverted by a project member, so I'm just looking for more input. If you aren't aware, WPBannerMeta is a template used to easily update project members and standardise the coding on the banners. —Borgardetalk 13:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have viewed many projects that use the standard templates:, , , and those are just ones that relate to our project. So I think its best to keep things easy, and stick with what we got. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21   23:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, if you don't want the change I won't implement it. I just want you to be aware though you pointed to a standard when there is not standard there. That's why the template WPBannerMeta was created. —Borgardetalk 08:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Xbox cleanup
I believe that Xbox needs major cleanup and I hope that we can get that article up to a good article. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  21:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Portal Name?
Should we consider changing the portal name to Portal:Xbox instead of Portal:Xbox 360. Because many portals have the overall name of the consoles instead of one specific one. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  20:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if we were to change the name, we would need to include some information or minor articles about the old xbox. Right now I'm pretty sure everything on the portal is Xbox 360 related. --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 20:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of it because we changed the project to avoid confusion when something like Xbox 720 or whatever comes out, so I think it is best to avoid confusion with the portal too. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  21:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION
In order to celebrate our hard work, ups and downs, and an overall great project we will have a weeklong celebration leading up to January 24. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  22:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Endwar
Just a quick note to say that I am starting to update the Endwar article, by adding a World War III section, I may need more info on the Factions ending sequence and someone will have to check over it to make it work but I will get the basics done, you can see it here. Cheers. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about that game, but I'll check it out. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  17:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Xeno told me to put my Endwar part onto the article so it can be tweaked by other users making it better and I was going to once I had finish the inital version, I have done as much as I can for now, so do you think I should put it on and let other users edit it, or should I try and edit it a bit more myself first; I am so confused and cufudaled (and I don't think that is even how you spell it, I can't even spell made up words. Humph) -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Halo = good article?
I checked out the Featured article, A-Class and Good article category sections on Xbox games and I found nearly all of them where to do with Halo, which is proably as so many people like it; mind you neather of the Gears articles come in til around the Good article status. Check it out. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also the Previously mentioned Endwar seems to not exist in the category listings on both importance and type of article, but does seem to have been rated on it's talk page, why is this? -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; Delievered by §hepBot  ( Disable )  on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 07:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

New layout
I like the new layout, al though it was abit confusing at first; I thought I'd gone to the wrong page. =)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I felt the need for a change. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  18:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Xenon (processor) importance rating
I noticed that WikiProject Xbox has rated Xenon (processor) to be of low importance. Perhaps the assessment should be revised. If the Xbox 360 did not have a Xenon, and it is not replaced by another theoretical Xenon-compatible microprocessor, then where would the software run? Rilak (talk) 07:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  21:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 02:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

FAR notice
nominated Supreme Commander for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. - Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

FAR
nominated The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Worms 2: Armageddon
Needs some tender loving care and I don't really have time today. Anyone available? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add some images. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Achivements on game pages
I don't know if this has been discussed before but would it be appropriate to list the achievements available for a game on it's article page. I know there are websites that do this already but it might be a good bit of encyclopedic information.Alistair 84 (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines #6... Remember encyclopedia articles should contain information that would be of interest to a general audience. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

xbox360achievements.org
Would there be any merit in creating an article for the website www.xbox360achievements.org? This website is used by many xbox 360 gamers to look for advice on how to unlock certain achievements and also actively encourages "boosting", a topic that I do not believe is covered so far. Alistair 84 (talk) 11:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

List of xbox 360 bundle games
Would it be appropriate to create a sub-section listing down a list of all the xbox bundle games released so far?

One example is the Bioshock/Oblivion bundle pack  Banej (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where would you propose this list go? I don't think it is worthy of it's own article. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 10:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sub-section under List of Xbox 360 games? Banej (talk) 04:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say if it should go anywhere it should be under List of Xbox 360 games. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  02:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing discussion on where in the infobox to note "XBLA"
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions for Unreleased Section
The current list of xbox 360 games is getting cluttered.
 * 1) How about adding a new table (just like the XBLA games) for the announced/unreleased game? It would be easier to maintain the table (simply add upcoming games in upcoming release table and moved them to released table when the game's out).
 * 2) Creating additional tables just for the Japan/US exclusive games - This would also help to un-clutter the list.
 * 3) Understanding it's a huge task, but in the long run it would be to our benefits.

Proposed Sample

Games that have been released

Upcoming releases

The following table is a list of video games that are expected to be released on the Xbox 360. For expected release dates, quarters refer to calendar year quarters, with Q1 being from January through March. Expected release dates are subject to change.

Banej (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Xbox 360 games split proposal
As the list of Xbox 360 games gets ever longer it is taking so much longer to load on slower connections. Could I propose the list gets split into maybe two or three smaller lists as people simply will not bother to look at the page if it takes too long to load up, possibly becomming dissatisfied with Wikipedia when looking for information. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It is possible to split the lists and still have a complete list for those that can handle it. See what we did on 2009 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series and Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series.  It's basically a matter of transcluding the smaller lists into a single large one. --M ASEM  (t) 16:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Going off of what Masem said, I created some pages in my userspace of what could be done: Thoughts? Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Silver Sonic Shadow/List of Xbox 360 games
 * User:Silver Sonic Shadow/List of Xbox 360 games: A-F
 * User:Silver Sonic Shadow/List of Xbox 360 games: G-N
 * User:Silver Sonic Shadow/List of Xbox 360 games: O-Z


 * Perfect. Nowhere near as long to load up a smaller section of the list. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyone currently looking into this? The article is getting more bloated and slow as the days go by. ♠♠ BanëJ  ♠ ♠ 04:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)