Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/eSports/Archive 1

Real sport coverage
Can the people that do real sports on Wikipedia do a project covering them? I would love to do a project for extreme sports, and also for soccer.--69.134.24.204 21:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thought that I'd let you guys know
While I did submit a lot of these to AfD, if the consensus is either confused or keep, I'll gladly ensure that the articles are kept to WP standards. It's a collaboration, and I cannot always be right. I have some ideas on how to improve the articles and possibly ensure that they become even featured article candidates at some point. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 21:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great to hear :-) You seem pretty experienced with WP, so your help is absolutely appreciated! -- DJiTH 02:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, a lot of the articles on pro gaming need to be improved to WP standards. --Credema 23:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Am here to provide or help dig up whatever information you guys can't find or need, please feel free to contact me smeagol@radioitg.com --iTGSmeagol

Player template
Template:Infobox Pro Gaming player has been created. Any thoughts? An example can be seen in Eric Hewitt, although the photo is a bit large. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 14:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Inactivity of project
Hi, the Video games Project has been consolidating inactive projects to centralize resources and assist members in their efforts to improve the quality of articles. The level of inactivity of this project has come to the attention the editors at WikiProject Video games/Inactive project cleanup and we would like to offer some input as to what this project's possibility are.
 * 1) Nothing changes: This would only be likely if interest and activity in the collaborative effort of the project increased to a level that it was self-sustaining.
 * 2) The Project might go to Miscellany for deletion: This page is reserved for the removal of Wikipedia related content that no longer serves its purpose. As the project did get off the ground somewhat, it would probably not be deleted as the edit history should be preserved.
 * 3) Merge with the Video games Project: This would involve the blanking of the project page and redirecting it to the VG Project page. Members would be welcome continue participation in their articles as they would still fall under a similar scope. If participation and interest increase, a task force under the VG Project could be made to assist with collaboration.

The third option seems the most practical as it benefits both projects, and will be carried out in a few days if there is no response to this message. If there are any questions, please feel to comment here. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC))
 * Wow, forgot about this. I guess this is a last minute check up. Any opposition to a move to a task force page under WP:VG? (Guyinblack25 talk23:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC))

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Reactivation
If you are back and would like to be active please post here. I'm taking a straw poll to see whether I should try and put more effort in here. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 21:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) TitanOne (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC) -I'll start with the stubs.
 * 2) D arth B otto talk•cont 14:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) D arth B otto talk•cont 14:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

A question considering images
Hey guys, I noticed many articles on e-sports and progaming are lacking images. Is that due to copyright issues or? I am writing articles on e-sports in Lithuanian wikipedia but I don't know much about all these pictures and their licences. Where do you normally get them from, under what licence can they be uploaded, etc? I.e. if we have a fanmade picture from some tournament with Starcraft gameplay on big screen in background, can Blizzard claim it's theirs? Or can I just go to fan blogs/galleries and ask people if they are willing to release their photos to wikipedia? I hope you see what I mean, thanks in advance for your help. Unfortunately I cannot participate in this project in English, but I'm doing my best in LT:wikipedia. --Windom (talk) 12:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople
An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Reactivation, reogranization, and renaming
I recently stumbled upon this taskforce while proposing a WikiProject with the same scope. I am interested in reviving this project and reorganizing it in hopes of making it more active. To start, I would like to propose that the name of this task force be changed from pro gaming to eSports or Electronic Sports as this seems to be a more common term these days. —Entropy (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Additionally, upon reactivation this project should be listed as a child project of WP:VG on that project's main page. Whoops, didn't see that it was already there. —Entropy (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope to the latter, it's already listed under Taskforces, because this is what it is. However I support making it more active, clarifying the scope, etc.! I suggest you ping the main WT:VG for interest. I'm mostly involved with WP:NIN, another Taskforce, but would be happy to help set things up for y'all if needed. As for the rename, despite the unusual capitalization, I think Taskforce eSports to be the most accurately descriptive name. :)  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  23:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, though if it's alright I'd like to wait and see what the consensus is on the WikiProject proposal before doing so. —Entropy (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Renaming it pretty much introduces more work than is gained, imo. However, no one will stop you from rejuvenating the page; you may want to start with deleting the inactive members from the main page. --Izno (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think a rename would be worthwhile; what all would have to be done to go through with it? —Entropy (talk) 02:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For the record, a quick Google search turns up far more results for eSports (~63 million) than pro gaming (~7 million), showing that eSports is far more common a term. I think a rename would help with the revival of this taskforce. —Entropy (talk) 02:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. I have renamed the project and begun reorganizing the project page. If you have any suggestions, feel free to mention them or implement them yourself! —Entropy (talk) 08:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I will change the banner parameter and update all pages sometimes before I next go to bed.  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  08:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ I won't add a logo right away but I'd like you to make one that scales well at that small size. File:Task Force eSports.svg looks like a garbled mess at 40px. :)  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  09:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, the existing one is just something I threw together. Any suggestions as to the format of the updated logo? I'm really open to anything. —Entropy (talk) 09:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I didn't get any feedback, I went ahead and made a new square logo (shown at the right) where the text "eSports" is still readable at 40px. If anyone would like any changes to this logo, please let me know! —Entropy (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

League of Legends
A question, as a follower of the League of Legends scene, where would I find guidelines for criteria or creating articles about LoL teams/players?(although, I have found that quite a few teams already exist from careers in other games) Blake (Talk·Edits) 20:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * These criteria need to be discussed and formalized! That's one of the goals of this Taskforce. :)  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  08:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I would still like an answer to this. :) I would like to think that sources would be no problem to obtain(IGN/GameSpot cover LoL eSports), and the only problem would be if it is considered "encyclopedic". I would probably stray from current events and recently made teams, and focus more on notable teams that were successful in previous seasons(Team SoloMid, Counter Logic Gaming, etc). Blake (Talk·Edits) 18:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Scope
While I might agree that articles like MOBA may fall under the scope as being a particular genre of game, or particular game, suited to eSports, I'm not sure it should be within the scope of the task force. I have reverted an edit to MOBA for this reason.

I would suggest that the scope be limited to players, teams, and competitions. That keeps the task force scoped directly to the eSports portion of things. --Izno (talk) 13:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but a user interested in improving articles on professional Starcraft II players, teams and competitions would probably also be interested in improving articles on casters and Starcraft II itself. —Entropy (talk) 19:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Y'know, that's actually interesting -- I think some content about eSports could be sourced and added to the MOBA article, since it's a major genre in the activity. I'd support tagging the FPS & RTS genre articles as Taskforce related too, but then again, that's just me. :)  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  19:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, though it should be restricted to games with an eSports community (e.g. Warcraft 3, Starcraft and Halo 4 but not Age of Empires 3 or Turok: Evolution. —Entropy (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Get too broad, and you miss the point of having a task force dedicated to a topic. Casters I would include, naturally, and did not mean to disinclude them. I still don't think it would be necessary to tag the video games much less their genres. But take this with a grain of salt. --Izno (talk) 12:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I prefer including them but it's a pretty weak preference and I would really be fine either way. Does anybody else have input on this? —Entropy (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think, first of all, that a clear scope needs to be defined. Two things need to be laid down -- notability guidelines for inclusion of player/team articles in Wikipedia, and a clearly defined scope as to what articles should be included in the Taskforce. I think it would be silly not to include games like Starcraft and Counter-Strike, but if we include them, then we need to decide why them and not others; where the scope ends.  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  19:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Defining which games are considered "eSports games" should be pretty trivial; any game with a well-documented competitive community is an eSports game, and the rest aren't. A quick Google search for "professional X", where X is a certain game, can be a lazy way of checking if a game has a large eSports community. Additionally, any game in Category:Electronic sports games is an eSports game. —Entropy (talk) 08:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, after trying out a few, "X eSports" seems to be a better query as non-eSports games return usually only one or two digits of results. <span style="text-shadow:#404 0.2em 0.2em 0.8em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri">—Entropy (talk) 07:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Project status
Click the pie chart at the right to see the number of articles with each rating within the scope of our task force is shown at the right. Because of the high number of start- and stub-class articles, I think a priority should be getting these articles to at least C-status. <span style="text-shadow:#404 0.2em 0.2em 0.8em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri">—Entropy (talk) 07:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice! How exactly did you get those stats? Manually?  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  07:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I counted them up while categorizing them on the main page. <span style="text-shadow:#404 0.2em 0.2em 0.8em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri">—Entropy (talk) 08:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirect this talk page as part of task force cleanup
I've proposed a comprehensive cleanup of WP:VG's inactive task forces (which would include redirecting all task force talk pages, including this one), if you'll take a look czar <font color="#909">♔ 01:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)