Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Public art/Archive 2

Proceeding from the understanding
that there is no such thing as a stupid question, I ask: "Should I be using this (Category:WikiProject Public art articles) at articles such as Death and the Sculptor? Which is a red link right now but should be blue soon enough.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see it on the talk page. Why not on the article page with all the other cats?  Carptrash (talk) 01:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because it's a project category, like the "bla-project articles by importance/class". The article public art cats applicable here are "Outdoor sculptures in ..." & "Monuments & memorials in ...". Johnbod (talk) 02:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

a good example of why I don't indulge much in this stuff. In any case. thanks for the cleaning my recent attempt up, Carptrash (talk) 02:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I added the tag because it makes sense. Carptrash, have you seen the WikiProject Public Art Template?  It seems it might make your work more efficient.--RichardMcCoy (talk) 02:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Richard. Making sense, and efficiency, for that matter, are not things that come naturally or easily to me. However I was labeled "educable" years ago, thus proving that I can learn. Carptrash (talk) 02:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Categorization of Public art articles
Richard has asked me to give some thoughts on the categorization of Public art articles (Note: When discussing categories on talk pages, and using the brackets, you need to put a colon before the C of ":Category" (like that), or the cat name won't appear in the text you're writing, but the talk page will show in the category itself).

The Category:Public art tree at the moment has most of the content in Category:Outdoor sculptures and Category:Fountains. It does not include Category:Monuments and memorials, presumably on the grounds that these are in many forms of which some are not art, and are intangible - Category:Chess memorial tournaments, lectures, scholarships etc.

1) New categories in the "Public art tree"

New categories that might be established include Category:Public art by country, leading down to Category:Public art in the United States etc.; Category:Public art organizations; some form of artists' category, but I think Category:Public artists doesn't sound right, or fit normal usage. I think the first two are unproblematic. The artists are a bit different, as almost all historic sculptors produced at least some public art, and if they were all included the category would be "Mostly overlapping" (WP:OCAT) with Category:Sculptors. But there are evidently many artists who now specialize in public art sculpture and installations almost entirely, & for whom this is "defining". Category:Contemporary artists making public art might be the way to go, probably with some national subcats like Category:American contemporary artists making public art.

Another possibility is to set up Category:Works of public art, but this might not be necessary or a good idea. It's another layer, up to which all the works trees would lead.

2) Should "monuments and memorials be in the tree?

There is a case for this, despite the fact that some of the categories in the head-cat are non-art, like Category:Chess memorial tournaments, Category:Tributes to John Coltrane & so on. But there are not many of these as far as one can tell. I see that Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States is categorized under Category:Sculptures in the United States, despite containing some things like List of United States submarines designated as memorials.

The interpretation of policy varies on this sort of question. Some people, especially in the past, demanded a 100% fit between a category & its parents, but I think a more flexible view is now more typical. I think adding the M&M cats to the Public art tree is justifiable. If done, this would be at top level and at any PA by country cats. 3) Over-categorizing

WP:CAT is the main policy on categorization, and there is also WP:OCAT. Both are clear that, as WP:CAT says near the start:

"Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C. For exceptions to this rule, see Eponymous categories and Non-diffusing subcategories below."

It is a very common mistake for inexperienced editors to add far too many top level categories; if doing an artist bio for example, categories like "art", "painting", "culture" are added. This is clearly against policy and such top level categories need regular maintenence to "diffuse" articles to the correct sub-cats, otherwise the top-level cats become clogged up & less useful. In the case of public art, if an article is in "Outdoor sculptures in Foo City", this will automatically be a sub-category in trees leading to "Culture of Foo City", "Foo City", "Outdoor sculptures in Foo State" and ultimately "Public art". The sculpture should therefore only be placed in "Outdoor sculptures in Foo City", and if appropriate "Monuments and memorials in Foo City/state". I was doing some work removing excess categories in the public art tree last night, which many of you will have noticed on your watchlists. If you want to discuss individual changes, let me know, but the basic principles above are not controversial.

4) Other categories 

There are some other categories that might be added, & are typically under-used. By material we have Category:Sculptures by medium (not the best title) with subcats like Category:Bronze sculptures, also steel, concrete, stone, wood etc. Also very under-used are the group in Category:Sculptures by century - only 18 works are currently in the 19th century sub-cat! There are also Category:Installation art works, Category:Sculpture gardens, trails and parks, and probably others. Johnbod (talk) 16:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Discussion on categories
Please let's have your thoughts and comments on the above. Johnbod (talk) 16:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for organizing such comprehensive information about how categories might relate to this Wikiproject, Johnbod. I hope to review your ideas in detail very soon. Jgmikulay (talk) 19:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This is tremendously useful! Thanks, Johnbod!  Categories are a part of Wikipedia that I think are rather complicated.  I've been think about the need to create specific public art categories to a city and your proposal really give me something to chew on.  Like JGMikulay, it will take some time to give a thoughtful response to this, but wanted to let you know my appreciation. --RichardMcCoy (talk) 21:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm still not sure I follow all of the details and nuances Johnbod outlines, but here is my response.
 * New Categories/Public Art Tree: I agree that the categories you propose (“by country” and “organizations”) would be helpful. An option to get around the awkwardness you note with including artists could be “Public art practitioners.” This category could then include individual artists and organizations.
 * Monuments and Memorials in the Tree: I would like to see this category as part of the tree. Especially with 19th century public art, and increasingly with contemporary works, memorials are a major emphasis in practice.
 * Over-Categorizing: Your explanation here is really helpful. I definitely fall into the category of WPians confused by categories!
 * Other Categories: Media, period and location all seem useful. Jgmikulay (talk) 22:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. One advantage in keeping organizations and artists seperate is that the categories fit better into trees like Category:Arts organizations and Category:Artists. Also the meaning of the names is clearer - "practitioners" might throw some people. Johnbod (talk) 02:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see... good point. I'm learning a lot about the logic of WP categories from you! Jgmikulay (talk) 19:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * One could then combine the two in a “Public art practitioners” cat, but this seems an unnecessary extra layer. Johnbod (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:Street art
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Street art. -- Trevj (talk) 11:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Arts at peer review
Portal:Arts is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Portal peer review/Arts/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Question about location in "Infobox"
I'd like to add a more detailed street location (cross streets) into the infobox for public artworks, rather than simply noting the city in which they are installed. Are there infobox guidelines that would prohibit this improvement? Jgmikulay (talk) 18:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * i don't believe so. infoboxes tend to include what the creator thought was important; apparently they thought GPS was more specific than street address, and didn;t want to include museum address since they had a blue link. the infobox documentation is silent on the matter here also check out template talk . you could also ask someone to add a address field.  Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 22:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US
Check out this new addition to Wikimedia Commons - documentation about US public art copyright law. It's "unofficial" from folks at WMF legal. See it here: Public art and copyrights in the US -- SarahStierch (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Public art will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in public art; as subject matter, sculptors, artists, buyers, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Haymarket affair Good Article reassessment
Haymarket affair, which is listed as part of this WikiProject, has been nominated for a community reassessment to determine if it meets the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article. Please add comments to the article reassessment page. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

mass deletion of wikimapia links
see discussion here  Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 02:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam Veterans Memorial and FoP
Hi all, I recently asked this question on the Wiki Loves Monuments list, but I haven't gotten a definitive answer yet. I'm hoping you can help me? I went on a monument photo walk In Washington DC after Wikimania, and was happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall, which I planned to upload during WLM 2012. Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized I don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the wall is a statue and is therefore under copyright? Couple questions:


 * 1) Is this accurate? Is the Wall under copyright? I know there were lawsuits around the Korean War memorial, but I can't find the clear answer for the Vietnam memorial?
 * 2) If not, how does the primary photo on the EnWP article qualify to be hosted on Commons? Is the standard in this case de minimus or some other? Or is it a resolution issue? It seems there are various photos of the wall that are on Commons that similarly display the wall without copyright notices or templates, like this one.

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks! Almonroth 20:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Matthew. Your question is a good one. Members of this WikiProject have been active in attempting to get clarification on such matters for some time. For artworks in copyright, we typically include one low-resolution image in articles about the artworks. In the case of the VVM, it seems that there is precedent for including images of the work in Commons. I'm not sure there is a "definitive answer" to your question, but hopefully a few others will share their insight here. If you learn more elsewhere, please let us know! --Jgmikulay (talk) 13:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * hi, this is my understanding:
 * "the wall" is assumed to be an architectural feature, so under FoP US, see Public_domain. however, you will note that the "The Three Soldiers" is a sculpture, with a picture under "wp:Fair Use". the panarama shot added lately could be de minimus but, we havn't had a deletion discussion to get a consensus. see commons:de minimus
 * the Korean Memorial case, as you can see at the article, was really about the statue group. pictures of the wall there are FoP, and sculpture "fair use".
 * yes, there are many pre-existing photos with minimal tagging, wrong tagging. i've been going through as i notice them, save them from deletion, but there is no initiative to clean up the mess. when you put two tags on, one for photo one for 3D art, building, much fun ensues. we haven't had the discussion about the difference between architecture, and environmental art (spiral jetty).
 * so yes you could upload vietnam memorial pics to commons, use FoP US tag. if you have pics of 3D artwork, the copyright status is complicated: pre-1923 = PD; pre-1978 without a copyright notice = PD (check the siris database); all others fair use on en wikipedia. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 15:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Slowking4! I knew you would have some insight! --Jgmikulay (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * btw, i believe that's why for US wikiloves monuments is concentrating on NRHP buildings. from their presentation at wikimania, the streamlined upload wizard will have a PD list to choose from. public art is a 'future follow-up' bah. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 16:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for those insights. I'm happy to read that The Wall is considered an architectural feature and not a sculpture. It was very clear from my (limited) research on the matter that the "The Three Soldiers" is a sculpture, but nothing I saw could clarify the architectural feature question you've answered. FYI, I've sent an email and left a voice message with the Communications Director at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund with the same question, and will let you know if he replies. NPS had pointed me to VVMF, saying they were the best ones to answer the question. I think at least a couple the NRHP entries (Korean War Memorial, for instance) will not be admissible for WLM, and we're looking at a way to demarcate this in the special Upload Wizard so noobs don't get too frustrated if their pics of said RHPs are not accepted. In the U.S., this should be a minor inconvenience, but I understand from organizers in Belarus, for instance, that up to 30% of their monuments are estimated to be under copyright. yech Almonroth 17:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would love to hear if you learn anything new from your inquiries. I agree that it's important to get this somewhat clarified before the deluge of new images from upcoming Wiki Loves... contribution drives. --Jgmikulay (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * i don't know of any case law or consensus that draws a clear line between landscape architecture or art though. Maya Lin identifies as architect (doesn't sign work). Isamu Noguchi would be a challenge. the list of NRHP, or monuments that are art is a short one. the two you mention plus Marine Corps War Memorial; American Revolution Statuary; Civil War Monuments in Washington, DC; User:Slowking4/Haymarket Martyrs' Monument. (hmm maybe not as short as i thought) most memorial art is PD-old. more typical of NRHP is Ralph Bunche House (Washington, D.C.). you could almost add a fork to wikiloves monuments to upload "fair use" for the few that are close. talk to user:SarahStierch if you want more details, she's busy but she'll talk your ear off at happy hour. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 20:25, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The wall is considered an architectural monument and it's maintained by the National Park Service. The piece is actually not copyrighted as a sculpture, unlike the Korean War Memorial and the Three Servicemen statue, which both are. You can photograph it and use it's images until the cows come home. SarahStierch (talk) 20:59, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * moooo! Almonroth 21:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * and the link from NPS on permits provides some information (h/t SarahStierch). Almonroth 21:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Twitter account AWOL?
The Twitter account listed, @WSavesPublicArt, is returning a 404 error. What's up? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Our Twitter handle is @wikipublicart. Thanks for your interest! --Jgmikulay (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Capitalisation of project name
It may seem trivial, but I have found inconsistency between the use of "WikiProject Public Art" and "WikiProject Public art" in the names of pages, categories and templates. This breaks things such as automated archive page links and talk page templates. I've made some changes to standardise on the former. We'll need an admin to mop up any move-protected templates (e.g. WikiProject Public art) and pages (e.g. WikiProject Public art/Style guide). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks--this is great! Hmmm.... I wonder if we know any nice admins to help with the template correction??? --Jgmikulay (talk) 13:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we want them all to be WikiProject Public Art with the A in caps? If so, I'll make the changes. --FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 13:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, please! It makes so much more sense for it to be in all caps, and seems to have just been a mistake in the first place.  Many thanks --RichardMcCoy (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything related to the project should be "WikiProject:Public Art" (perhaps without the colon). The abbreviation WP:PA won't work - it goes to "No personal attacks". WP:PubArt and WP:PArt don't seem to work well.  How about just WP:Public Art.  Gotta have an abbreviation to be anything around here!
 * Articles and other places talking about art in public spaces should be List of public art in Lancaster, Pennsylvania or maybe Public art in Joppatown, Maryland. Smallbones (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I vote WP:Public Art.--RichardMcCoy (talk) 00:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree on all Smallbones' points. Johnbod (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And WT:Public Art to this page. Smallbones (talk) 00:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Mapping the world's public art
Hi everyone,

I have just (re) launched a site which has parallel though crucially not identical aims to those of the Wikipedia public art project: http://bigartmob.com Our central aim is on mapping public art, with a user experience more akin to an online gallery or museum experience than the more categorical and linear model of the Wikipedia project.

We will soon be writing a scraping tool which will draw in the wikipedia project pages, drawing in only those which have a lat/long northing/westing or other accurate location data associated with the entry.

We are a Creative commons non commercial share alike licensed site and for each of the entries pulled in from the Wikipedia project will of course ensure that the extant licenses for each entry are duly respected and reproduction within the Big Art Mob database based on a permissions basis from those licenses.

Of course we will also be looking further afield to municipal authority collections which have very little (if any) XML or other standardisation and so we hope that our scraping tool might become a useful resource for the broader community here.

I guess I'm kicking this discussion off to see if anyone sees and potential conflicts or difficulties with our plan and more broadly to discuss how what we are doing might best complement the work being done here.

Best,

Alfie Dennen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4lfie (talk • contribs) 16:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

(4lfie (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)).
 * Hi Alfie. Thanks for sharing your project with us. I'm familiar with it from NPR. I think it's cool that you want to use the work that volunteers have created for WP:Public Art. Wikipedia is licensed CC BY SA, so in theory, each page that utilizes WP content should be stated with that license. Another website to consider picking content from is Save Outdoor Sculpture! content from the Smithsonian Institution. SarahStierch (talk) 01:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you use a non-commercial licence, then you're not an open project, and your content can't be freely reused by many, including Wikipedia (and you can't use Wikipedia content under that licence). Also, are you aware that OpenStreetMap already maps pubic art, and is open-licensed? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to have Andy's opinion here on this because I'm not aware of the legalities of re-using the content on Big Art Mob.  Also, I'm interested to know how OpenStreetMap is mapping public art.  Example? Thanks!--RichardMcCoy (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Briefly (I'm just going into a meeting; happy to discus later): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/950324361 Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi guys. We are in the process of reviewing both the CC license type and the overall mapping strategy on BAM. At the very least any work brought into the DB which originated at the WP:Public Art page or SOS would be published with the CC BY SA license in place.I am aware of the OSM approach to public art mapping, it's a very different approach to ours I think.4lfie (talk) 07:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you're in the UK (I'm in Birmingham); I'd be happy to have a chat off-line about how you could (I'd argue should) make use of and interoperate with OSM data (which is veering off-topic here). You can find a guide to reusing Wikipedia content (which we really want people to do!) at Reusers. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Conservation and Collection Care
I have recently submitted a new WikiProject proposal that ties-in closely with WikiProject Public Art. The proposed project is WikiProject Conservation and Collection Care which, if approved, will aim to create new articles, as well as to gather existing articles, concerning conservation and collection care at museums, libraries, historic locations, archives, and other relevant sites into a collaborative project. I am aware that this project will not always relate directly to WikiProject Public Art as collection care may also include objects outside the public realm. However, I am writing to your group to inform you of my decision to request a new project as I listed you as a related group within my proposal. Furthermore, given the connection between the two projects, and my own inexperience with starting a WikiProject, I am open to suggestions, collaborations, and advice from a well-established group such as your own. Thank you.- AngelKelley (talk) 00:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi AK, Its great that you want to put effort into writing about his important topic but I do think it may be a little too narrow a focus for a Wikiproject; you might like to consider making it a task-force of an existing project. Either way, do please keep up up-to-date with your progress. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:49, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the reply! Do you by chance have a suggestion for which group you think this project might fall under? I can see where the "too narrow" aspect comes into play, but given that collections cover museums, libraries, archives, historic locations, and even private galleries, I have found it difficult to find an exisiting WikiProject that really covers all those areas. If you have suggestions though I'm definitely open to further discussion on the matter :) AngelKelley (talk) 18:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I go for whichever project covers one of those topics (museums, libraries, archives, historic locations, private galleries; an art) and has the greatest synergy; then include a pointer in other related project pages: pragmatism over purism. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have actually already contacted the major WikiProject groups (museums, libraries, historic landmarks, and art) and both the museum and library groups agreed that placing this topic under one of them would not be appropriate given how broad the topic actually is. Collections care really falls under so many potential categories that it's impossible to simply pick one, especially since the goal of the project is to span them all as best as possible. This was the reasoning behind requesting a separate project group. I do understand where you are coming from, but since we would like to include conservation techniques, collection management policies, disaster preparedness, etc., it becomes necessary to not narrow ourselves to a single type of collection. AngelKelley (talk) 22:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Public Art
Dear everybody, I would like to invite all of you awesome art-buffs to a project called Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA)! WLPA is organized as a contest by Wikimedia Sweden, with the help and support from our partner Europeana. The contest is much inspired by Wiki Loves Monument, but instead, as the name suggest, the contest focuses on artworks in the public space. I don't think that I need to tell you guys how much is still needed to be done in this field... However, I believe that this could be a great way of make the situation a bit better by increasing knowledge about our work in this field, foster contacts with GLAMs and with the public and get some awesome tools created to help us in our work.

From a practical view, as regulations on what a public space constitutes, and the data available, will most likely differ between countries (and perhaps also between different states and regions?) the material accepted for the contest will also have to differ. I think that it makes sense to have a federalist approach to this. Freedom of Panorama also creates troubles, as this is a contest meant for Wikimedia Commons and not for local uploads (i.e. no fair use!). Hence, some countries will only be able to participate with a more narrow focus (such as for example "Wiki Loves Public Baroque Art"). However, on a positive note this could in fact be a rather good way to make the general public aware of the existence and the effect of a rather, IMHO, negative piece of legislation.

The stated goal with this project, from our Description of Work, is to organize Wiki Loves Public Art in six European countries in 2013. However, I would like to do more and am hoping to make the contest as big as possible with many more countries participating. I know what drive and dedication our communities have and what we can do when we put our stubborn minds into producing great material. If you are interested in public art, enjoy organizing events, think that it is cool and interesting to work with projects that increase cooperation between the Chapters, or would like to work towards GLAM in your country and get some valuable contacts, well then this would be something for you! We are looking for all kinds of volunteers and especially for national coordinators that can help us get things going in the countries and coordinate the volunteer efforts. I therefor urge you to sign up as soon as possible on our list of volunteers! You can find our newly created list here.

All the best,

John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) aka. Jopparn (talk) 10:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * After looking at the project page, I'd say that May 2013 is likely the earliest date anybody in the US could aim for. The problems here are


 * The SIRIS database has too many public sculptures in it, including many that are in no way notable, at the same time
 * The SIRIS database doesn't have enough reliable info in it on addresses (much of the time) and no geo-location info
 * So lots of dirty, sweaty work on tables would have to be done.
 * Also copyright restrictions limit the possibilities of taking photos to those pre-1978, and there is a song and dance about checking for visible copyright marks for post-1923 sculptures. Could we trust newbies to do the song and dance?


 * Any of these problems could prevent US participation unless there is some brilliant solution. Smallbones (talk) 21:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Smallbones and thank you for your thoughtful comments! I am sorry for my late answer. I have been visiting family during my summer vacation and I really avoided using the computer to much. Now I am however back at work again :). Regarding your thoughts:
 * How many objects are we talking about in the SIRIS list? In Wiki Loves Monument in Sweden this year the group organizing the contest have included a database of over 120,000 objects of specific historical value. The objects are then divided on list based on their geographical location (mostly based on the municipalities). Is the SIRIS list larger than that? Regarding notability, I personally believe that all public artworks ideally should have a picture on Commons as Commons does not follow the same notability standards as Wikipedia and all of those pictures would, IMHO, be educational. But I certainly agree with you that a lot of public artworks does not deserve an article of their own. But perhaps I am misunderstanding you here? Are there object in the list that isn't art works?
 * From what I remember you telling me during Wikimania, there are addresses for the artworks in the database (even though it isn't always correct as they are sometimes moved etc.). Do I remember that correctly? The data that is old and incorrect we cannot really do anything about except telling the participants of that possibility in connection to the list. Regarding the lack of coordinates I do believe that to be possible to solve. During Wikimania I talked a bit with user:Colossus from Germany and he told me that he automatically created coordinates for the German list of Monuments for Wiki Loves Monuments, based on the addresses. Perhaps that code could be adopted to do the same thing for this database? Of course addresses that are wrong would generate wrong coordinates, but if we are clear about that risk we could hopefully avoid making people to irritated and we could actually make a thing about the extra contribution they will do when they mark a coordinate as incorrect. If there is neither address nor geo-location info available, I guess there is no real answer than trying to find the answers from other sources, or have a table with missing data but still encourage people to try to find them and take pictures if they can.
 * Regarding copyright, is there any data in the database about the sculptures age? Based on the U.S. copyright laws we could then mark them in the list with red for the ones that the participants cannot take pictures of, and green for the ones that they can take photos of.
 * I doubt that any of the solutions presented here could be considered brilliant, but perhaps they are at least sufficient?
 * All the best,
 * John Andersson (WMSE) (talk) aka. Jopparn (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * there are 92,350 sculptures on the list, including duplicate editions. there are 2861 with copyright on them, including those with copyright not renewed. there are sculptures not on the list, but they are rare, and tend to be after 1993. siris is updating their list based on our articles.
 * addresses are close, the address to gps is a google map feature. it can be a problem for sculpture parks, where works are widely divergent and under tree canopy, not viewable from satelite view. it will require boots on the ground.
 * we do not have a notability consensus on public art, however, smithsonian survey is evidence of such. we have website surveys, and book surveys of public art.
 * there is date information, but the database is not searchable by date. up to now people are scrapping data by city and making list articles for each city. US wide would be formidable task. it would require a meetup with siris people and wiki data crew, similar to Walters mass upload.
 * simplified upload process is the future, but not can't upload, rather upload fork to english wikipedia under a "fair use", and then fork to local museum website without "wiki rules", such as Walters. it will require wikidata solution plus some wiki code. up till now it's upload everything and tag, delete copyright vios with some false positives. 198.24.31.123 (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Damn elephant
Epic discussion about The Elephant House - please take a gander here, I give up. User_talk:SarahStierch and on the talk page for the article itself. SarahStierch (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Emitting metadata from 'List' articles
I'd like to make each of the "List of pubic art in..." articles emit hCard microformat metadata, using a template for each row. Other advantages are that all the lists would use the same columns and format; and that any agreed changes to the format could be made by changing just one template. I've made a prototype, at Public art row. Thoughts? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea Andy!! Go for it. SarahStierch (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm also in favor. I notice that your prototype doesn't include all of the columns some of our lists use (like owner/administrator), but I think streamlining things could be beneficial. I'm happy to help sort through any conversion difficulties for the lists I've worked on previously. Thanks for thinking about ways to help organize this information better! --Jgmikulay (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Any others? Should we add those for all instances, or make them switchable? I've used the template on List of public art in Hampshire, as a pilot. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please tell me there is more than one public artwork in Hampshire. Heh. SarahStierch (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh ;-) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I added owner and dimensions. Anything else? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That seems great--thank you! Also, thank you for making it so that my husband had to play me PF's Animals LP during our evening meal. --Jgmikulay (talk) 01:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew I should have checked this out earlier! Actually the Hampshire example (10 columns) looks ok. List of public art in Philadelphia only needs 9 columns - I like the pic in column 2 - but it needs a lot more rows. Smallbones (talk) 02:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm, it seems the Philly example is using the "owner" column for a reference number. Any idea what that is? Should it go under notes? Any other views on whether the name or image should be the first column? With a template, its easy to change ;-) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the image in the first column, and I think the reference number could easily be included in notes. This way, if there is a IAS number from the Smithsonian, or another number from state or municipal surveys/catalogs, that information can easily be included but it doesn't make a big empty square for communities that don't organize their art that way. --Jgmikulay (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Deployment
I've finished converting List of public art in Birmingham, which is a well-popuated list. Please convert your own lists, and report any issues here. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Your list looks great! Is it possible for you to share a simple set of procedures for those who need to "convert" our lists or may wish to help others? Thanks! --Jgmikulay (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Any tips on converting lists? --RichardMcCoy (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * i have been known to cut and paste into a spreadsheet, and use spreadsheet fill to replicate wikicode.
 * do you want to make the artwork title bold in the table?
 * keep in mind Template:Sort and Template:Sortname to sort artname without the the, and last name of artist. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 19:43, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Expansion
Great to see this happening. For British lists, a listing parameter would be handy, and if it can somehow be made so that the sort values are Grade I = 1, Grade II* = 2 and Grade II = 3, even better. Hopefully this and some of the other parameters which wouldn't always be used, such as owner, can be made optional? Another I'd like to see is architect. (List of public art in Westminster gives you an idea of where I'd like these to go.) Can notes be a row below that spans all the columns (except for the image), more or less as at Template:Episode list/sublist, as the notes on the Westminster page are pretty extensive? Ham 18:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC) Ooh, and type as well, please! :) Ham 18:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * listing is UK-specific; designation might be better, per Infobox building. I have concerns about the accessibility of Episode list. Lets see what the rest of the PA project folk say. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to designation. Ham 20:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I've added type and designation, for now. The latter could also be used for UIDs in designation databases. If we do make parameters optional, we should do so for artist, which would allow the template to be used on single-artist lists like William Bloye.

Could others give their views on all this, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with artist being optional, for the reason given by Andy. Would we have subject as optional for lists such as List of statues of Queen Victoria? Ham 14:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * the type and designation fields take up space if not applicable. is there a way to make optional? (collapse column) its spreads the list too far right. see List of public art in Philadelphia. 98.169.254.39 (talk) 15:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I second the request for more optional parameters. I'd like dimensions, coordinates and owner to be optional, and don't object to type and designation being added to that list. For each area there are different kinds of data available; sometimes it's possible to find the dimensions, sometimes it isn't... and so on. I also think architect is a necessary addition for architectural sculpture, statues on columns, or anything else where a sculptor and an architect were involved. That could be another optional parameter, of course. If these things were done I'd happily convert List of public art in Westminster, which I'd like to submit to WP:PR at some point, to the template. Ham 10:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Start hand.svg Two Art-related articles need your help!
The Carleton W. Angell and the Bath School disaster articles would really benefit from having a good image of Angell's 'Girl with a Cat'. The statue - which seems to have been quite famous in its day for the sculptor himself, the event it memorializes and the way funds were raised for its production - is presently located behind glass at the Bath School Disaster Museum in the Bath, Michigan Middle School. From what I've seen of the somewhat-poor images available online, the actual statue...well, after you look at it a while, I don't know why, but it is really powerful...and it's just a statue of a little girl with her hair blowing in the wind holding a cat. If anyone can lend a hand with this quest, please post on my talkpage. I've put the Bath School article up for a Wikipedia Good Article nomination and I think a pic of this statue that would really improve it and the Angell articles. Thanks for listening, Shearonink (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

The Drop (sculpture)
Anyone interested in collaborating on the article for this sculpture in Vancouver? This should be a pretty easy article to get to Good status. I will likely continue working on the article on my own even if no one else wants to pitch in, but I thought I'd extend a request in the spirit of collaboration! Feel free to jump right in or leave a note on my talk page if interested! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made some tweaks; and dropped a couple of suggestions on the talk page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! And congrats again on your recent honor. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Article titles for multiple untitled artworks
{Cross-posted from the talk page for WP:VAMOS):

There's currently a lengthy and contentious discussion at Talk:Arts on the Line over the use of non-free images which hasn't resulted in much consensus. However, it has emerged that if individual artworks are notable enough to have their own pages then fair use images are allowed on the individual pages. Many of the artworks have been given sufficient attention to justify individual articles. However, a problem then emerges with naming. Take, for example, Richard Fleischner's untitled work at Alewife station. Untitled (Richard Fleischner) or Untitled (Fleischner) are insufficient because Fleischner has had at least three major untitled works which may be sufficiently notable for their own articles. Untitled (Alewife station) or similar is not viable because there are no less than four untitled artworks at the station which I plan to have articles about. For the time being I'm working with the clunky Untitled (Richard Fleischner artwork at Alewife station). I would very much appreciate suggestions of a better title to move the article to. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * A possible alternate title I'm considering is Untitled (1985 Fleischner sculpture). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Public art in Douala, Luanda and Johannesburg
I just wanted to inform that I am working in documenting the public art of Douala, Luanda and Johannesburg. I am uploading the background documentation of a research project related to the impact of public art and cultural events on urban safety in those cities. The working space I am using is at the moment on commons since I have started by involving GLAMs and people in releasing their images. In particular I uploaded around 3'000 images on Douala in cc by-sa. You find the current status of the documentation here for Douala, Luanda and Johannesburg. --Iopensa (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is great! Congratulations!  You should consider putting some of this under the "Showcase" section of this project. --RichardMcCoy (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Sculptor OTRS
I just created http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Canoe1967/Sculptors to see if we can get more images from countries without FOP. Once we have a project like this we can use as a link then we can try sites like http://www.sculpture.net/community/ to start gathering ticket numbers. Feel free to edit/improve it. Once we get consensus we can move it to mainspace somewhere. Other languages could probably work on the same page if we get translation buttons added by the techs.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Ontario public murals
have been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:05, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

John Lennon Statue in Cuba.png
image:John Lennon Statue in Cuba.png has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

List of public art in the City of Westminster up for Peer Review
Hi, I'd welcome comments on the List of public art in the City of Westminster (which I hope to submit to FLC) at its peer review here. Thanks, Ham 10:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * waw, the list looks impressive and beautiful. Fantastic work. i am not competent enough on the topic to improve it, but I really enjoy it! thanks for the work. --Iopensa (talk) 10:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) Ham 11:42, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Banner update?
There's a WikiProject Public Art/NYC but WikiProject Public Art doesn't have an NYC parameter to indicate it. Shouldn't the banner be updated to support ? -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Gate to the Northwest Passage
I have requested a peer review for the article Gate to the Northwest Passage, about a sculpture in Vancouver, British Columbia. I seek feedback about the article in general, before nominating it for Good article status, and about three specific pieces of content currently being debated. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Art parks
Category:Art parks has been nominated for. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 15:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Public Art at Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014 For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

List of public art in the City of Westminster currently a featured list candidate
Hi, I'd welcome comments on the List of public art in the City of Westminster at its FLC discussion page. Thanks, Ham (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Polyester sculptures
Category:Polyester sculptures, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Upmerging into Category:Fabric sculptures. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

New task force: London
Please welcome a new task force to the fold! WikiProject Public Art/London. Ham (talk) 09:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

npp for category tool
Please comment. Gryllida (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wanted: Articles for sculptures, monuments and memorials in London
Following is a list of sculptures, monuments and memorials without Wikipedia articles. User:Ham and I have put this list together and we believe the links below reflect the most appropriate article titles based on naming conventions. I have been creating many articles for London artworks since my recent visit to the city, but I welcome other editors to please assist with the creation of these articles to help improve the encyclopedia.


 * Emmeline and Christabel Pankhurst Memorial
 * Equestrian statue of the Duke of Cambridge, Whitehall
 * Equestrian statue of the Earl Roberts, London
 * Equestrian statue of William III, London
 * Icarus (sculpture) by Michael Ayrton
 * George VI and Queen Elizabeth Memorial, The Mall
 * Henry Fawcett Memorial
 * John Donne Memorial
 * John F. Kennedy Memorial, London
 * Joseph Lister Memorial
 * Lady Henry Somerset Memorial
 * Paternoster (sculpture), Paternoster Square (sometimes referred to as Shepherd and Sheep)
 * Paternoster Vents
 * Queen Alexandra Memorial
 * Quintin Hogg Memorial
 * St Lawrence Jewry Fountain
 * Statue of Florence Nightingale, London
 * Statue of George Canning, Parliament Square
 * Statue of Henry Bartle Frere, London
 * Statue of Isambard Kindom Brunel, Victoria Embankment
 * Statue of James Henry Greathead, London
 * Statue of James Outram, London
 * Statue of Jan Smuts, Parliament Square
 * Statue of John Henry Newman, London (Brompton Oratory)
 * Statue of John Wesley, Shoreditch
 * Statue of José de San Martín, London
 * Statue of Queen Anne, St Paul's Churchyard
 * Statue of Robert Peel, Parliament Square
 * Statue of Robert Raikes, London
 * Statue of the Viscount Alanbrooke, London
 * Statue of the Viscount Montgomery, London
 * Statue of the Viscount Slim, London
 * Statue of Thomas Becket, London (St Paul’s Churchyard)
 * Statue of Wilfrid Lawson, London
 * World (sculpture), Broadcasting House, Portland Place
 * The Gold Smelters, Barbican
 * The Horses of Helios
 * The Young Lovers (sculpture), Festival Gardens
 * Westminster Scholars War Memorial

All help welcome! Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Updated list above. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Follies and hill figures
Why aren't hill figures and folly buildings covered under public art?--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 03:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

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PMSA (UK) links need updating
Hallo, I was looking into Michael Rizzello and found that the link from List of public art in Cardiff to the Public Monuments and Sculpture Association record for his Statue of David Lloyd George was a dead link. I found the new link to be http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/pmsa-database/11647/ (instead of http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/AH/CARDIFF036.htm ). I suspect this means that there are a large number of dead links in this list and probably elsewhere, and it doesn't look as if there's an easy way to map from old to new. A nice little project for someone! Pam D  11:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project
A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest (if such a copyvio is present).--Lucas559 (talk) 16:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Cross post - can a sculptor CC license a photo of a traditionally copyrighted artwork?
I am seeking more opinions at Commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  14:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

New contributor drive
I wrote a blog post and am busy on social media and mailing lists, trying to encourage more people to create or contribute to locality-based lists of public art. Please look out for newbie contributions, assist the editors and tidy up as needed. Please help to publicise this drive, too! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to help in any way I can. The blog post mentions parsing the lists and entering the content on Wikidata; are we any closer to being able to do this for List of public art in the City of Westminster? Cheers, Ham II (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not yet; still on my "must chase" list. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! I'm working on an overhaul of the City of London in my sandpit here, by the way. Ham II (talk) 19:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Popularity pages
Can anyone explain why the listing at WikiProject Public Art/London/Popular pages includes many examples of items not in London? Am I misunderstanding the point of that page? Carcharoth (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Re: Talos No. 2
If anyone has time to spare, I could use a little help with this article, which I hope to promote to Good status. I think the sculpture was completed between 1959 and 1968, but some sources give 1977 as the date. Some sources say the sculpture was first installed in 1968, others say it has been on the Transit Mall since 1977. I am confused as to which dates I should use for the sculpture's completion and installation. If someone has the time, interest, and patience to review this article and poke around some of the sources, I'd appreciate another pair of eyes. It is not a long article, and there are not too many sources to scan. The article should be close to meeting GA criteria once this issue is resolved. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move proposal, Martin Luther King, Jr.
Please comment on a requested move to change numerous article titles which contain Dr. King's name. Randy Kryn 11:14, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:Artworks surveyed by Save Outdoor Sculpture! has been nominated for discussion
Category:Artworks surveyed by Save Outdoor Sculpture!, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Two Issues - Important (opinion) ones.
I was recently in a discussion with about the naming of categories such as Category:Sculptures by Daniel Chester French in which I expressed dissatisfaction (in the mildest of manners) with the use of the word “sculptures,” which I felt, and still do, should be just “sculpture.”  The word “sculpture” is properly used as a plural or collective noun. For example, Save Outdoor Sculpture! (see discussion above) chose to do it that way, the Smithsonian maintains “the Inventories of American Painting and Sculpture”, the SIRIS data base is set up as “Outdoor Sculpture-Michigan” and there are no doubt other examples. It might be a bit of a haul to bring Wikipedia into the usage that the rest of the world (okay, the USA, but I’ll bet lots of other places too), but isn’t that what we do here? I just looked up my copies of the amazing sculpture (not “sculptures”) survey of the UK and they are all titles something like “Public Sculpture of Glasgow,” etc. I am not sure how to make a formal proposal but let’s start with just talking about it. I’ll do the other issue later, this is plenty for now. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages
Greetings Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:


 * Fix and improve Mr.Z-bot's popular pages report

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

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AfD: Benito Juárez (Martinez)
Project members are invited to contribute to the ongoing AfD discussion re: the Benito Juárez (Martinez) article here: Articles for deletion/Benito Juárez (Martinez). Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Obtaining coordinates for articles
There as been some offline discussion around this topic about the copyright of the information obtained from Google that can be used in articles about public art. In short, this project means to follow all laws and rules. This tool makes it very easy and appears to not violate any laws.

GeoLocator.

Fearless Girl statue
To commemorate International Women's Day, I invite project members to help expand the newly-created article, Fearless Girl. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo
I invite editors to assist with expanding the article about the recently unveiled Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. There are additional sources shared on the article's talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅: Draft:Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:44, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I have submitted a request to have the article's deletion overturned. I invite editors to review Draft:Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo, then share their thoughts at Deletion review/Log/2017 June 22. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Art on the Underground
There are discussions on the Art on the Underground, London Underground and Piccadilly Circus tube station talk pages to discuss potential improvements to these pages regarding Art on the Underground and art in the station itself. I would welcome your assistance. 86.13.122.76 (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Statues in the National Statuary Hall Collection
Project members are invited to create and expand articles about individual statues within the National Statuary Hall Collection. See the following link for discussion: Talk:National_Statuary_Hall_Collection. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Missing lists of public art
Per Lists of public art, I've identified some missing articles:


 * List of public art in Atlanta
 * ✅ List of public art in Austin, Texas
 * List of public art in Beijing
 * ✅ List of public art in Bend, Oregon
 * List of public art in Buffalo, New York
 * List of public art in Cleveland
 * List of public art in Colorado Springs, Colorado
 * List of public art in Columbus, Ohio
 * List of public art in Corpus Christi, Texas
 * List of public art in Dallas
 * List of public art in Denver
 * ✅ List of public art in Detroit
 * List of public art in El Paso, Texas
 * List of public art in Fort Worth
 * List of public art in Honolulu
 * ✅ List of public art in Houston
 * List of public art in Juneau, Alaska
 * List of public art in Las Vegas
 * List of public art in Louisville, Kentucky
 * List of public art in Miami
 * List of public art in Mobile, Alabama
 * List of public art in Nashville, Tennessee
 * List of public art in New York City
 * List of public art in Oakland, California
 * List of public art in Oklahoma City
 * ✅ List of public art in Palm Desert, California
 * List of public art in Phoenix
 * List of public art in Pittsburgh
 * ✅ List of public art in Portland, Oregon
 * List of public art in Prague
 * List of public art in Sacramento, California
 * List of public art in Saint Paul, Minnesota
 * List of public art in Salt Lake City
 * List of public art in San Antonio
 * ✅ List of public art in San Diego
 * ✅ List of public art in San Francisco
 * ✅ List of public art in Santa Monica, California
 * List of public art in Scottsdale, Arizona
 * ✅ List of public art in Seattle
 * List of public art in Shanghai
 * List of public art in Stockholm
 * List of public art in Toronto
 * List of public art in Tucson, Arizona
 * List of public art in Tulsa, Oklahoma
 * List of public art in Vancouver (see Public art in Vancouver)
 * List of public art in Vancouver, Washington

Feel free to expand this list, or strike entries once articles are created. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Pinging just in case you're interested or have any hidden drafts to get the ball rolling. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:32, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha! Thanks. I don't have any right now of any of these cities, but we'll see how inspired I become... post-fire binge ;) Missvain (talk) 02:52, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I found San Francisco. I knew I had one lying around someplace... super incomplete. But, it's a start! Missvain (talk) 05:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Is Lists of public art in the United States appropriate to create, based on Category:Lists of public art in the United States? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation of article titles re built environment
Comma vs parentheses. Please see Talk:Statue of Margaret Thatcher (London Guildhall). -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

AfD of interest: Jefferson Davis Park, Washington
The deletion discussion can be found here: K.e.coffman (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jefferson Davis Park, Washington

People's Bike Library of Portland
I've (co-)nominated People's Bike Library of Portland for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo
Greetings, project members. The article Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo was deleted last year, but I've resurrected the topic in the form of Draft:Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo, since the artist has created a second bust depicting Ronaldo. I invite WikiProject participants to either make further improvements to the draft, or contribute to this discussion, where I've pinged all editors who were involved in last year's deletion and merge discussions. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * - I'm genuinely puzzled, having read the objections from both outings. Your draft is high quality and as Notability is determined by coverage, it seems to me that it fully qualifies. I think there's an "I don't like it" element to the opposition. I feel the same about bitcoin articles, but I don't stand in their way when they are well sourced. If you'd like me to accept it, I'm happy to do so, although you can, of course, place it in mainspace yourself. Just drop a note on my Talkpage. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've never really understood the resistance either. I agree, there seems to be an "I don't like it" sentiment, or possibly some of the editors are more interested in sports article standards and not articles about public art and sculpture? I'd love for you to comment at Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo_International_Airport and/or move the draft into the main space, if you're willing. I'm fine with the community having this debate again. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

No rush, but just pinging a reminder here since you've indicated a willingness to help move the draft into main space. Thanks! Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:13, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I tried creating this article before (Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo), and it was redirected. I'm not exactly sure how to merge these, or preserve their histories. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks! Another Believer  ( Talk ) 02:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * (ec) It needed an admin to delete the target page, move it, and then restore the old history, which I've done. The rest is up to you. :) HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 06:32, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:33, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: The article was redirected. I still invite project members to weigh in on this discussion: Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo_International_Airport. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Sam Houston (sculpture), Houston, Texas
Page watchers may be interested in updating the Sam Houston (sculpture) article. I don't really appreciate the comment an editor left on the talk page recently, but regardless, the article could use some improvements. Thanks for your consideration. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Best title for Andrew Jackson (National Statuary Hall Collection)?
Please see this discussion at WikiProject Visual arts re: the most appropriate title for Andrew Jackson (National Statuary Hall Collection). Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Public art in Washington, D.C.
Template:Public art in Washington, D.C. has been nominated for merging with Template:Public art in the United States. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Missing lists of public art

 * Copying this over from the talk page archive

Per Lists of public art, I've identified some missing articles:


 * List of public art in Atlanta
 * ✅ List of public art in Austin, Texas
 * List of public art in Beijing
 * ✅ List of public art in Bend, Oregon
 * ✅ List of public art in Berlin
 * List of public art in Buffalo, New York
 * List of public art in Cleveland
 * List of public art in Colorado Springs, Colorado
 * List of public art in Columbus, Ohio
 * List of public art in Corpus Christi, Texas
 * List of public art in Dallas
 * List of public art in Denver
 * ✅ List of public art in Detroit
 * List of public art in El Paso, Texas
 * List of public art in Fort Worth
 * List of public art in Honolulu
 * ✅ List of public art in Houston
 * List of public art in Juneau, Alaska
 * List of public art in Las Vegas
 * List of public art in Louisville, Kentucky
 * List of public art in Miami
 * List of public art in Mobile, Alabama
 * List of public art in Nashville, Tennessee
 * List of public art in New York City
 * List of public art in Oakland, California
 * List of public art in Oklahoma City
 * ✅ List of public art in Palm Desert, California
 * List of public art in Phoenix
 * List of public art in Pittsburgh
 * ✅ List of public art in Portland, Oregon
 * ✅ List of public art in Prague
 * List of public art in Sacramento, California
 * List of public art in Saint Paul, Minnesota
 * List of public art in Salt Lake City
 * List of public art in San Antonio
 * ✅ List of public art in San Diego
 * ✅ List of public art in San Francisco
 * ✅ List of public art in Santa Monica, California
 * List of public art in Scottsdale, Arizona
 * ✅ List of public art in Seattle
 * ✅ List of public art in Shanghai
 * List of public art in Stockholm
 * List of public art in Toronto
 * List of public art in Tucson, Arizona
 * List of public art in Tulsa, Oklahoma
 * List of public art in Vancouver (see Public art in Vancouver)
 * List of public art in Vancouver, Washington

Feel free to expand this list, or strike entries once articles are created. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

More red links to turn blue

 * Category:Outdoor sculptures in Delaware
 * ✅ Category:Outdoor sculptures in New Hampshire
 * ✅ Category:Outdoor sculptures in Rhode Island
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Alaska
 * ✅ Category:Sculptures of men in Arizona
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Arkansas
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Delaware
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Florida
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Idaho
 * ✅ Category:Sculptures of men in Kansas
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Maine
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Montana
 * Category:Sculptures of men in Nevada
 * Category:Sculptures of men in New Hampshire
 * Category:Sculptures of men in New Mexico
 * Category:Sculptures of men in North Dakota
 * Category:Sculptures of men in West Virginia
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Alabama
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Alaska
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Arizona
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Connecticut
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Delaware
 * ✅ Category:Sculptures of women in Florida
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Hawaii
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Idaho
 * ✅ Category:Sculptures of women in Kansas
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Kentucky
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Maine
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Mississippi
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Nevada
 * ✅ Category:Sculptures of women in New Hampshire
 * Category:Sculptures of women in New Mexico
 * Category:Sculptures of women in North Carolina
 * Category:Sculptures of women in North Dakota
 * Category:Sculptures of women in South Carolina
 * Category:Sculptures of women in South Dakota
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Utah
 * Category:Sculptures of women in Vermont
 * Category:Sculptures of women in West Virginia
 * ✅ Category:Statues in Alaska
 * Category:Statues in Delaware
 * Category:Statues in Idaho
 * Category:Statues in Maine
 * Category:Statues in Nevada
 * ✅ Category:Statues in New Hampshire
 * Category:Statues in New Mexico
 * Category:Statues in North Dakota
 * Category:Statues in West Virginia

Feel free to add/strike appropriately! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:National Statuary Hall Collection
Editors are considering ways to improve and organize Template:National Statuary Hall Collection (see talk), if project members care to weigh in and/or show off their navbox markup skills. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Article issues
Can someone look at Talk:Canadian National Vimy Memorial? Otr500 (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on a guide for students who edit articles about art history
Hello! Wiki Education is developing a guide to help students improve articles related to art history. The handout is meant to supplement other resources that they consult, such as an interactive training and basic editing brochures. We’d love to get some community feedback on the draft here: User:Cassidy_(Wiki_Ed)/Art_history. We're looking to gather feedback by August 16th. Feel free to respond here or on the draft's talk page. Thanks so much! Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Ongoing disambiguation discussion
See Talk:Mohandas K. Gandhi (sculpture, San Francisco) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Chief Seattle sculpture
Hello! If any project members are looking to help solve a mystery, I've posted a request for help at WikiProject Seattle re: 2 busts of Chief Seattle and whether they are by the same artist: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Seattle. Feel free to take a look if you're interested in helping to track down some information about these busts. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Separate pages or merge?
Hi, I'd appreciate any comments on the discussion for three existing pages about statues of Harriet Tubman to be merged into one: Talk:Statue of Harriet Tubman (Ypsilanti, Michigan). TIA, MurielMary (talk) 08:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:List of statues on Paseo de la Reforma
If you've been to Mexico City and/or have an interest in public art displayed along Paseo de la Reforma, I'm currently working on Draft:List of statues on Paseo de la Reforma. See talk page for ongoing discussions and requests for help identifying subjects in images hosted at Wikimedia Commons.

Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)