Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Washington/Archive 2

Galena (disambiguation)
needs a little attention please. - CarbonLifeForm (talk) 10:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume you're referring to Galena chain lakes. A good place to post this request is WikiProject Washington/Requested Articles.  Myasuda (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Registered Historic Places in Washington
I don't know if anyone still pays attention to this page, but the last couple months Jmabel and I have been doing tons of work getting photos for Washington listings on the NRHP, but we could certainly use some help from other people filling the list out. If anyone needs a project to work on, photos of sites, as well as getting rid of redlinks (especially in smaller towns that have very little info) would be great. Murderbike (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hanford site
I am working on the Hanford site article and trying to get it up to Good Article quality. Before I nominate it for GA status, I welcome feedback and/or participation from any WikiProject Washington editors. Northwest-historian (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I put Hanford up for Featured Article consideration last week & would welcome all reviews. The discussion is here: Featured article candidates/Hanford Site. Thanks! Northwesterner1 (talk) 07:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Washington
A disagreement has arisen at Template talk:Washington about whether to include the Tri-Cities on the list of "larger cities" in the template. Argument against: Richland, Kennewick, and Pasco are legally separate cities; they are already listed under smaller cities; the "Tri-Cities" should thus be considered a region. Argument for: Culturally, the metro area of the Tri-Cities is considered a city by Washington residents, and listing it among the larger cities on the navigational template is most useful to the reader looking to find the state's largest cities. We could use some more opinions from other Washington editors... Please weigh in on the template talk page. Northwesterner1 (talk) 23:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Puget Sound def. re potential Juan de Fuca cat
Hi guys; this is kinda related to our other PacNW regional discussions/issues; please see Category talk:Puget Sound and help me figure it out.Skookum1 (talk) 02:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Marcus, Washington and statistics
I don't want to pick on the good folks of Marcus, as this is not about that town in particular but in the way demographics are represented; Marcus is only an example, and where one of the more, if you will, absurd cases of statistical writing I've seen struck me with a certain issue; you WPWash folks have done a stunning job of writing up a huge number of your smalltown articles - I wish we in BC were able to be so thorough - and this isn't meant as a criticism, but a request for enrirchment/detail as well as no small amount of common sense. I've lived in more than one town the size of Marcus, some even smaller, so the following passage seemed really odd:
 * ''As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 117 people, 48 households, and 33 families residing in the town. The population density was 495.3 people per square mile (188.2/km²). There were 52 housing units at an average density of 220.1/sq mi (83.7/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 95.73% White, 0.85% Native American, 0.85% Asian, 0.85% from other races, and 1.71% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.56% of the population.

Hmmm. Let's see. One Native American, one Asian (which kind?), another somebody from some "other race" (note the word race...), four either Hispanic or Latino (again, which kind?) and only two people of mixed ancestry (if only mixed-race means mixed, rather than mixed ethnic, again without saying from which of the named groups/races. The ethnic makeup of the Caucasian population is entirely unaccounted for.  Is the Native American local or maybe Pequod or Tsalagi?  Old-stock American/local or immigrant, and from where; German, Norwegian, Irish, French all possibilites, each little town having its own makeup.  The BC hydro village (we called it "camp", though it was real nice '20s-era Edwardian cottages w. gardens (part of Ruskin, British Columbia) that I was raised in had, let's see, 16 houses. One house English-English (prob some Scots or Welsh in there somewhere), the next Irish-Italian, others Scottish-English, Dutch-Danish, Anglo-Irish, three Norwegian families including mine, which also included Irish, French, one of the others Danish-Norwegian, a Danish-German ancestry couple (completely assimilated like us and the other Scandinavians), a Hungarian, and Nova Scotian and Scottish-from Scotland...another house rotated over the eyars, from German through NY Jewish through setttler-sto0ck Scots.our ethnicity? "BC Hydro" really, a tribe descended from the populations of a half a dozen company towns where most families ahd lived. Anyway other parts of Mission were of differnt stock; Silverdale and Silverhill a mix of Italin, Swedish, German, Finns and even Chinese and Native (not sure which kind), Stave Falls with Finns and Scots (what was left over after teh Hydro town broke up), Steelhead was a newspaper colony, Dutch and Hungarian and Ukrainian and Danish and more Finns and otehr Euro-exotica were found eastwards; Maple Ridge to the west was more Anglo-Saxon, other than the Katzies and Whonnocks and another Finnish community at Webster's Corners, plus the husual assimilated Scandinavians common, I'd say, thoughout the Pacific Northwest. Anyway I hope you see what I mean about the use of percentages maybe being inappropriate/absurd for such small places; and other kinds of detail might be more relevant. Are the citizens of today's Marcus in any way connected to the frontier-era Marcus-ites? Who's from where? Whcih of those "races" (ahem) is the one-quarter that's poor? And who was the namesake of the town, anyway (the name-meaning of nearby Northport's obvious enough). So not meaning to dig up a stink, only asking that maybe a more realistic and less dehumanizing way of describing small communities' populations might be just to set out hte actual numbers, and maybe the ethnic origin as opposed to the racial origin (or at least both); I did this on the demographics sectino for Abbotsford and on a few other pges, working on prince George's. But Canadian town-specific data is hard to come by; they generally only release the major metropolitan data, or major centres, not the small-town breakdowns in teh way the US census seems to make more easiliy available....in Census Canada we have to really dig to get at stats for tiny places; you guys are lucky. Anyway I think some more humanization of all the smalltown articles is more fitting than cold-fish numerical/percentage descriptions; who are these folks, what do they do, why are they tehre? Again, this isn[t just abnout Marcus, but about local/smalltown articles in general.....less sanitized-sounding if actual numbers are used, I think; I'm hoping to do this for the vanishing rural/pionee-r era settlements in the Fraser Valley/Lower Mainland, (Mission and Maple Ridge are more than their towns...)sorry for the typos, I'll clean this up after a smoke or two, and some din-din.Skookum1 (talk) 04:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody actually wrote that copy--it was a bot. Feel free to add the proper figures if you have them. --Lukobe (talk) 06:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, Skookum. It is especially "funny" in articles about communities with less than 100 inhabitants. The problem is that some people regard removing this information as vandalism. They insist every bit of information that can be found about certain communities is worth mentioning. In the German wikipedia we agreed to not use bots to generate stubs based on the census data. However, some people translate those parts in articles about small communities without even thinking about what might be worth translating and what not to translate. Very sad world sometimes;-) As we say in German: They "don't turn on their brain" when translating. --X-Weinzar (talk) 11:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

All Incorporated Cities in WA
Hey there just thought that the site USSPECBOOK.COM might be helpful to this project. It is a website which offers all the incorporated cities in Washington and contact information for websites,and public works infrastructure information.

Just a thought —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.3.122 (talk) 16:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The George Nethercutt Foundation
The George Nethercutt Foundation

I added an article about this nonpartisan nonprofit which is headquartered here in Eastern Washington. It was quickly deleted as not notable. Perhaps so, but thought there would be some here with an opinion. See also Articles for deletion/The George Nethercutt Foundation I placed this section on the NW project page as well.--Counsel (talk) 00:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Washington State Barnstar
Hello all, So correct me if I am wrong, but I see no Wasington State Barnstar for Wikiproject: Washington. I tried playing around the other day, This is what I got. It features the regular barnstar turned forest green with the State seal in the middle. The top background image is a public domain image from the National Park Service of Mount Rainer. The bottom image is of Downtown Seattle be the user Rattlhed. So what do you think? Questions comments or concerns? --Bluedisk (talk) 08:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My only concern is that right now it is rather "Westside"-centric, that is the images used are found or associate with Western Washington only. I would take out the Seattle skyline and see if it was possible to integrate something along the lines of either an agricultural symbol (apple, grain etc..) or maybe an outline of the state itself. --Kevmin (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a good point there, let me try and work in something to represent the eastern side more. Thanks! --Bluedisk (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with using images is that you have a lot of divergent opinions to appease. Personally, if images were used, I think you would need to break the image into four quadrants ... maybe containing something like Mt Rainier, a salmon, an apple/grain/cherry/grain or other agricultural symbol, and some fourth symbol (I like the Space Needle, but it could be too western-centric).  But using multiple images also makes the barnstar look messy and cluttered.  So, I would suggest keeping the green star with the seal in the middle, and just use an outline of the state behind it with no other images (maybe a stylized outline that has an embossed effect or other graphic flourish). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Washington
Attention WikiProject members! A Washington portal has recently been created and I would like to recruit members willing to help maintain the portal. The portal is fully operational and will be expanded with some help. To help maintain the portal, please sign up at the portal's talk page. --CG was here. (T - C - S - E) 21:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 1889 articles are assigned to this project, of which 299, or 15.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-07-14.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place a template on your project page.

If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page; I'm not watching this page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Port Washington Narrows Bridge
The Port Washington Narrows Bridge is listed in List of Registered Historic Places in Washington as "WA 303 over Washington Narrows" in Bremerton. Is that really correct? That would make it the relatively modern and not terribly interesting Warren Avenue Bridge. I would think that the historic Manette Bridge would be the one on the NRHP. Can anyone sort this out and add any correction (and appropriate choice of image) to List of Registered Historic Places in Washington? Thanks - Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

"Skagit Pass"
Our article John J. McGilvra makes a well-cited 1893 reference to a "Skagit Pass" over the Cascades. Would that be the pass now known as Stevens, or would it be someone else? - Jmabel | Talk 19:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Judging from the discussion and links here I'd guess that it's another name for Cascade Pass. Murderbike (talk) 00:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 02:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

PacNW Coast subproject of WP:NorthAmNative
Hi; seemed appropriate to drop notice of this discussion here. Please weigh in as seen fit.....Skookum1 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Cascade-Fairwood, Washington
Oct 24, 2008: A notice to the Administrators of the WikiProject Washington: Just an FYI that this article entitled Cascade-Fairwood, Washington has been subject to various edits and counter-edits over the last few weeks due to a contention between those who are favoring the incorporation of the unincorporated Fairwood area in King County into a new City of Fairwood and those who are favoring annexation of the area to the adjacent City of Renton. An attempt to neutralize the article and maintain a factual tone has been completed, but someone apparently representing a pro-annexation viewpoint continues to insert potentially biased comments. In the event this continues on an ongoing basis, a "POV|date=October 2008" and "Disputed|date=October 2008" tag will be inserted to reflect this article's contention. (76.104.173.16 (talk) 01:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC))

Note to the administrators. The Cascade/Fairwood page had previously only provided information to the citizens of the area regarding an effort to incorporate a city of Fairwood. Included in this information regarding incorporation was innacurate information regarding annexation options and the legal process used by the boundary review board. Correct information regarding a competing annexation proposal has been recently included. This information is entirely factual, and unfortunately it appears that an incorporation proponent is continuously editing the page to prevent the public from obtaining information about their governance options with respect to annexation. Please see the page, edit history, and citations for details. The above note (i.e. the first paragraph above) is unfortunately unsigned, and I have edited it to place the user as unsigned. (Bbquax (talk) 01:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC))

Oct 25, 2008: Obviously there is a strong difference in opinion about what constitutes "truth" and unfortunately what the annexation proponent describes above as "entirely factual" information is inaccurate. The suggested pro-annexation content contains factual errors and/or doesn't quite provide the full truth (re: Red Mill especially). We are pleased enough to see that a disputed tag was placed on the article, this will have to suffice. 76.104.173.16 (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC))


 * My first question is why is there NO discussion occuring on the Cascade-Fairwood, Washington talk page??? This would be the way of coming to a consensus on what to enter into the page itself without resulting in an unproductive edit war? --Kevmin (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Kevmin--I'm happy to talk it out on the talk page...but I'm not sure how to do it. It says I need to join Project Washington...can you help me out a bit?  Thanks -- (Bbquax (talk) 04:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC))


 * Anyone can use a talkpage whether they are a member of a wikiproject or not. Just post like we are here to discuss what needs to be discussed. --Kevmin (talk) 08:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Got it -- thanks! (Bbquax (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC))

GA Sweeps Review of Mount Rainier
Mount Rainier has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Schoopenchuck River? - the Chehalis?
I came across a mention fo the Schoopenchuck River, as a way from the Columbia to Olympia, in Occidental Sketches, by Benjamin Cummings Truman, a sort of travelogue/diary from the 1860s.....this is the googlebook link, see p.104. it's clearly at least part-Chinook in origin ("chuck" is river or lake or water) but I don't know what the "Schoopen-" part is maybe a variant spelling of a more familiar CJ term I'll ahve to think about it; I'd just never seen this name before and if it's for the Chehalis or another river in that area it should be added to the respective river article.Skookum1 (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Based on that page, I'd assume it was a misspelling of Skookumchuck River, but hard to know for sure. Murderbike (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That must be it then, it hadn't occurred to me that it was a trsnscriber's error, which makes lots of sense; Truman's notes/journal would have been given to a typesetter, and perhaps he'd forgotten the name himself if he ever did read the galleys, which he may not have...Skookum1 (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be less than surprised if it was also just a spelling error on the part of the writer, or even just an alternate spelling. Murderbike (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Swinomish Steel Bridge
Anyone know just where this was? Might this have been an earlier bridge at LaConner before the Rainbow Bridge? Feel very free to add to the description on Commons if you know. - Jmabel | Talk 06:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Washington articles needing geographic coordinates
 articles in Category:Washington articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that Washington is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Seattle FAR
nominated Seattle for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Best, epicAdam(talk) 05:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Okanagan/Okanogan Basin
Hi Washingtoonians - please see Talk:Okanagan_Basin.Skookum1 (talk) 00:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Rainier photo: what is the peak in the background?
Looking for help on another photo. I took this picture from the alpine meadow at Paradise on Rainier in 1995. I believe it is looking out across the upper Nisqually Valley (though I could be wrong). Does anyone know what the peak in the distance at left would be? - Jmabel | Talk 06:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My first thought is that it would be Mt Adams. --Kevmin (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you estimate the compass direction? And your elevation where the shot was taken?  Adams seems a bit far although it's true that the higher up you are, the closer things of a similar height can appear; the country between Rainier and Adams is still pretty rugged; I charted that region for the CME, i.e. analyzing USGS/topozone for prominence, seems to me there's a lot of spikey mountains in between Rainier and Adams, just not anything all that much as high....; NB  given the right angle and the thing about distance shrinking at elevation, it could even be Hood....I've been surprised from up on Seymour, in North Vancouver, to see Glacier and even Rainier on clear days...Skookum1 (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could be Adams. I'm afraid that a compass bearing on a photo I took 13 years ago would require quite a memory and quite a sense of geography: if I knew that, I'd know what peak it was. I'm virtually certain that this was from the Alpine meadow at Paradise, so the elevation should be about 1 mile, and that Paradise Lodge and the adjacent parking lot would have been roughly to my left. - Jmabel | Talk 00:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for input
Hello, I would appreciate any input at this category discussion on whether or not we should continue to use the non-disambiguated "Washington" when referring to the state in category names. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)