Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/General meteorology task force/Archive 9

New article
Climate of Europe is brand spanking new. Totnesmartin (talk) 15:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Rain is up for Good Article status
Let me know if you see any hindrances to GA passage for the rain article, which was overhauled earlier this month. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Mesocyclone & Polar low & Polar cyclone
I would be interested in help on getting these two three articles to GA status. Anyone up for it? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 23:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * id help but im too busy with SHEM TC peak.Jason Rees (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind helping with mesocyclone and have already done some work today to help with the mesocyclone article. Its biggest problem appears to be referencing, which could reveal additional problems.  I reworked the tornado formation section to conform with the severe weather article to maintain consistency within wikipedia concerning this topic.  I think mesocyclone article collaboration could bear the most fruit, since many of its companion articles (severe weather, tornado, thunderstorm) are already B, FA, or GA class.  It is best to be narrower in your focus and pick one article at a time, or none of them may reach GA.  Related to this article, why do we have both a mesovortices and a mesocyclone article?  They seem completely overlapping/redundant.  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, when I created the mesovortices article, it was with the eyewall mesovortices and linear mesovortices in mind rather than supercellular mesocyclones, but basically it is supposed to be a general article with all three and then mesocyclone a more specific article on supercellular mesocyclones. I never could find any full-text references for the linear mesovortices (only abstracts with a fee for viewing the full study), so I left out all but the mention of bow echos with reference 1...thus the article in its present state with the section each on mesocyclones and eyewall mesovortices. On a side note, where can I find references without having to pay to view the full text? Without them, I'm kinda stuck on either the mesocyclone article or the mesovortices article. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 23:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Search the AMS site (ametsoc.org) which should have some free articles for you. It seems to be that the mesocyclone article should be the all-encompassing one, but I could see mesovortices as a subarticle.  Otherwise, you're going to have to find a definition for mesovortices which differentiates them from mesocyclones, and I'm not sure that's possible.  They're all mesoscale cyclones, albeit at potentially different levels of the troposphere. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I based it off of mesovortex, eyewall mesovortex, and mesocyclone, although I was the creator of the first two, the definition in the third one compared to the first two lead me to set it up the way I did. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 00:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

To-do list
Is there a to-do list or a page of requested articles on this WikiProject? --The High Fin Sperm Whale 18:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Meteorology/Article requests is the page you seek for requesting an article...as for a to-do list, I don't recall us having one. Anything that would go on a to-do list you can just post here. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

We have a holiday...and a new article!
National Weatherperson's Day was yesterday (February 5th), and is a brand new article. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Possibly error in "U.S. state temperature extremes" page
The page in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes Riverside, WY is listed as the coldest low temperature in Wyoming. I think this should refer to Riverside Ranger Station in the Yellowstone National Park area. I do not know if that particular Ranger Station even exists anymore, however, look at the area of the state where the -66°F temperature is located on the following web page: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/severeweather/a-tlow.gif

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Xinthia
Is there an article on naming these European storms, or an article on this storm? 70.29.210.242 (talk) 08:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Theres an article on the storm itself here Xynthia (storm), whilst there's talk of getting a seasonal article together on these storms.Jason Rees (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP raises a good question though...is there a naming system for these storms like there is for tropical cyclones in various parts of the world? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe so, heres some very basic details about the european windnames that ive researched during the last week, after having to check weather Grace had a name.

Any further questions just ask or see if the website answers it.Jason Rees (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Both Highs and Lows that affect Europe are named by the Adopt a Vortex! project run by the Institute of Meteorology of the Free University of Berlin.
 * During 2010 and other even years, the names assigned to highs are male names and lows are females whilst next year it will switch.
 * The only exception to the rule that ive seen is if a Named Tropical Storm or their remnants affect Europe.

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Template:Season, Template:Weather, Template:Weathernav
Hello, members of WikiProject Meteorology. I came across these three templates and they all seem to be used for the same purpose so I have nominated them for merging into Weather. See the discussion. anemoneprojectors  talk  19:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * If anyone wants to help merging any of the missing links, see Template talk:Weather, thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 16:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

To become involved
Hello everyone. I will be interested in getting involved in the project. I have come across a few pages that is relatively important - more specialized topics (like data set that are used in research and forecast centers and remote sensing instruments) - require quite a bit of help; I am somewhat alarmed how simple description of NCEP Reanalysis have here.

As you may have read the news a few days ago, British parliament initial inquiry to Climategate recommends greater transparency to data usage and access. I think Wikipedia can certainly help dispel some of the myths of our field and increase our transparency to the public.

Scchan (talk) 18:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to jump in and start editing where ever you want. :)Jason Rees (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We can always use more contributors, and especially as of late. Welcome to the project. Please add your name to the active contributors on the project page if you desire. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the all replies. I have added myself to active contributors list. Scchan (talk) 20:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Missing meteorology topics
I've updated my list of missing meteorology topics - Skysmith (talk) 13:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Warning archive?
Do the Storm Prediction Center or the National Weather Service keep an archive of Severe Thunderstorm or Tornado Warnings? -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 17:06, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I may know of an archive for the NWS products but id need the WMO Code (ie WWJP25) so i can check.Jason Rees (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Iowa Environmental Mesonet has a fairly massive archive of warnings: http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/vtec/ It's not super easy to use, but ti does have permanent links, so it's citeable.  Southern Illinois SKYWARN Got something to say? 19:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That does help a bit... but what I'm looking for specifically is for the issuance of a Tornado Emergency in the Jackson, MS area. -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 19:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know what date it was on? <b style="color:#009900">Ks0stm</b> (T•C•G) 02:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * April 24, issued for the Yazoo City area specifically. -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 10:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Here you go: http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/vtec/#2010-O-NEW-KJAN-TO-W-0021, "update 1" is the first mention of a tornado emergency. The warnings that came after that also had the tornado emergency headline, but were for areas NE of Yazoo City.   Southern Illinois SKYWARN Got something to say? 13:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Super storm
May I draw to the possibly-relevant WikiProjects the poor quality of the Super storm article? Hopefully someone with more relevant knowledge than myself can rewrite or improve it. M0ffx (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Spring in June-July
I live in Japan. It's not so clear about which season is being described in the Tsuyu or Plum Rains. It says spring at first then talks about the rains in June-July which is summer. It's a bit confusing. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.176.1.54 (talk) 02:43, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Shaping up the cloud article
I have been thinking of a major redesign and enhancement of the cloud article. Anyone interesting in cooperating with this? I have been working with the Swedish version of the article for some time and I have some ideas of what to do here on the English language wikipedia. --Kr-val (talk) 10:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Precipitation days
When several thresholds for the number of days with precipitation exceeding _ in / mm are given, what are the general guidelines? Should we use the smallest threshold available (e.g. 0.1 mm or 0.01 in)? these questions are for the climactic statistical tables presented on city articles. Thanks for the response ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 02:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In order to avoid POV, you would need to mention ALL of the available thresholds, mentioning which country had which threshold. Like with tropical cyclone categories, one size does not fit all.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ouch, ouch ouch. That's a lot of work for the articles that already have such data. Then where should we place the commentary? as commented-out code in the infoboxes? or in the main articles. Thanks for your response though. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 21:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The ideal place would be to mention it in the article that focuses on precipitation days (which I guess could be its own article) and then just wikilink back to it from all the articles which discuss the topic. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

New Category
I have created a new category, Category:Weather radio stations in the United States, as a counterpart to Category:Weather radio stations in Canada, and placed KWN59 in the category. If any people in this project know of any similar articles on NOAA Weather Radio stations, feel free to add them to the category. Thanks, <b style="color:#009900">Ks0stm</b> (T•C•G) 23:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The colour of rain in Template:Infobox weather
Input is requested at Template talk:Infobox weather. Thanks. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 05:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Tropical instability waves
I created this article after noticing the phenomenon in satellite SST photos and doing some reading to figure out what was going on -- I saw that Wikipedia didn't have an article and thought it ought to. I'm not a meteorologist or climatologist, though, so it would be nice if somebody with expertise could do a sanity check, and also add categories and See Also's as appropriate -- I'm pretty much totally incapable of doing that. (If this is the wrong WikiProject, please let me know.) Regards, Looie496 (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Mean temperature charts
I was looking at 1936 North American heat wave and 1936 North American cold wave, both of which have charts that show high and low temperatures in states in the U.S. The charts seem very unintuitive to me, and there doesn't seem to be any explanation in the articles of how to read them. My interpretation of the charts is that they must be the average temperature over the whole time period covered (a 3 month or 1 month time period, depending on the chart). I'm guessing that they must average throughout the whole day, and not just average the high or low temperature for each day. However, nothing in the article seems to say that. For someone just glancing at the articles, it seems really odd to say a temperature in the 70s was the record summer high. The numbers also don't sound impressive when compared to the individual high and low temperatures listed in the articles. It just seems really odd to read articles saying that, for example, North Dakota had temperatures of 121 degrees and -60 degrees, but then to look at charts where North Dakota has numbers of 71.6 degrees and -3.5 degrees. I was wondering if anyone else agrees with me that the charts just seem odd when you first look at them, and I was hoping someone could improve the articles to explain them better and make it more clear that as averages, these temperatures are unusual, even if they wouldn't be unusual as a one time temperature on a given day. Calathan (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think theyre taken directly from NOAA. I don't personally think they are odd, but that could be because I spend a lot of time looking at weather and climate statistics.  I think that these maps kind of stand apart from the article and thus wouldn't be easy to write about in the main article text; would you consider it helpful if the captions of the images were changed instead?   (And note that you can do this yourself; you dont need to ask permission.)  — <i style="color:#057602">Soap</i> —  22:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I do think it would help if the captions were edited to explain the charts better, though I still think it would be even better if they were integrated into the articles more. I don't want to edit them myself, as I'm just making assumptions about what they represent.  I also do think this is a case where someone who isn't into climate statistics would find the charts unusual, while someone who reads a lot of climate statistics might not.  It is just really unintuitive that the record mean temperature for the summer could be so low, as normal summer high temperatures are higher than those numbers.  But clearly that must be because those numbers are averaged throughout the day, and what most people are used to hearing is just the high temperature for the hottest point of the day. Calathan (talk) 04:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

2000–2001 fires in the Western United States
2000–2001 fires in the Western United States is a completely uncited/orphaned article that needs rescue or merger. Can you guys do it? Rich Farmbrough, 09:20 20 January 2009 (UTC).

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Template:Weather
Shouldn´t that template have a link to sandstorms and firestorms also?

Weather Front & Cold Front
I just want to mention something about weather fronts. When describing how precip forms along frontal boundaries it is incorrect to use any type of wedge example. I know this is the most popular way to describe how fronts appear to lift air into clouds and precip but the science is very different. Yes, its true that colder, dense air is heavy and as it advances into warm air the warm air appears to slide up the frontal slope, but the reason for the lifting is because of frontogenetical circulation. If you want to learn more about this go here: Frontal Stability. I mentioned in the weather front article that "wedging" is inaccurate and I went into frontogenetical circulation but the topic is very advanced. If you want to help me clean it up a bit or maybe go into more detail please check out the revisions I made. I plan to go more in depth in the actual cold front page, but for now I'm pooped. The cold front page has a lot of terrible wording and flat out inaccurate statements, it really needs to be cleaned up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kspanks04 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. There are few meteorologists significantly improving the articles within this project at this time.  If you wish to broach the advanced topics, that's fine.  Just make sure they are plainly understandable to the lay reader.  Thegreatdr (talk) 12:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I began working on the frontogenesis page. I removed the technical details from the weather front page and added it to the frontogenesis page, since it was an advanced topic. Right now I have added a physical description of frontogenetical circulation and also included the full 3-dimensional equation for frontogenesis. I know it looks pretty sloppy, maybe someone with more formatting expertise can go in and clean it up a bit. Eventually I would like to include the simplified formula and an explanation of all the terms. Let me know what you think.Kspanks04 (talk) 09:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Request rating of semi-arid climate article
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Younger Dryas
I was surprised to see that the article on the Younger Dryas is rated 'Low importance'. Are the criteria purely meteorological? The effects of the Younger Dryas are only understood to a limited degree, but an Ice Age which made large parts of Northern Europe, Asia and North America uninhabitable 12,000 years ago must have played a very important part in human and natural history. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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Should Earth's shadow be in your project?
Hi members of the project. This new little article Earth's shadow is going to be a DYK very soon. I noticed that this phenomenon was mentioned on a meteorology website here and so I wondered if it is something you would like to incorporate into your project? The phenomenon is sky-related in that it is observed as a colored band in the sky but it is not weather related. What do you guys think? Invertzoo (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Also if anyone wants to read it through and see if it seems OK, please do. Invertzoo (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

New stub template
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Pressure system at GAN
FYI. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Individual articles for extreme ENSO events?
Hi. Some recent ENSO years have been extreme, and coverage on Wikipedia would benefit from individual articles, such as for 1997-98 (El Niño), 2007-08 (La Niña) and 2009-10 (El Niño "Modoki"). I suggest implementing the usual rigorous NPOV and RS standards for these articles, and also cover the states of some other oscillations such as the AO, NAO, AAO, PNA, ADA, IO, PDO and AMO. They would be rather similar to the tornado/tropical cyclone season articles already existing, and also bear some resemblance to the currently-disastrous global storm activity articles (I'm working on it!). Thanks. ~ AH1 (TCU) 15:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If we can find sufficient coverage in reliable sources, then I think this is an excellent idea. ENSO can be a sensitive area (at least as far as meteorological issues go), so agree about NPOV/RS policies being strictly enforced. Cucurbitaceae (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need permission and this is unlikely to cause much debate if done well. Be BOLD! Victuallers (talk) 10:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Discussion for renaming the categories of tornadoes and hurricanes in the United States by state
Feel free to participate in Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 17. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Weatherbox templates
I am proposing to substitute and then delete all weatherbox templates, in favour of including the information directly in articles. See Templates for discussion/Log/2011 January 22. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

New article on current winter storm
Hi. Please see the new article 2011 Groundhog Day Winter Storm and make some improvements as needed. Thanks. ~ AH1 (TCU) 02:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Weather up for FRC
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Missing flood articles
I am reviewing an article and have suggested linking flood articles. However, at Missouri_River (2nd paragraph), it seems like many of the most notable floods do not have articles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Weather Station Networks AWEKAS missing
--Awekas (talk) 11:52, 18 February 2011 (UTC) Add AWEKAS Weather Network to Weather Station page. I have add the AWEKAS weather network to global network yesturday. But was deleted from OSborn. He have told me to discuss it here. AWEKAS ist the biggest European weather network. It should be in wikipedia. AWEKAS is an non profit organisation (no advertisment). AWEKAS is similar WEDAAL, Findu, Wounderground... Please readd it on Weather station and Citizen Weather Observer Program. If any other add an article about AWEKAS he is welcome! Thank you. Othmar Gattringer AWEKAS Weather Network

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File:GlobalTemps21stCent.png & File:GlobalTemperaturesSince1991.png
Image:GlobalTemperaturesSince1991.png & Image:GlobalTemps21stCent.png have been nominated for deletion. 65.94.44.141 (talk) 05:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

List of temperature extremes
I notice that we don't seem to have an article on record temperatures around the world by region or anything. I was writing Template:POTD/2010-12-21 which includes a line about "record low temperatures" and was looking for something to link that to, but could not find anything suitable. Anyone want to create such a list?  howcheng  {chat} 18:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * At least for now, the best article to link to is List of weather records. ~ AH1 (TCU) 23:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Temperature of Pakistani city Turbat recorded in Wikipedia is 52 centigrade which is wrong. Actually the temperature of Turbat is more than 54 centigrade recorded in May/June 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.98.152 (talk) 06:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Weather box - which articles should it be used in?
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but is there any guideline as to which articles the template Weather box should be used in? To take it to an extreme, I suppose it could potentially be used for every geographical article, however small the location. But this seems over the top; meteorological details in the article for a region or country might be satisfactory. Has a particular approach been discussed or decided on before? --David Edgar (talk) 12:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be used any place where official statistics are available...in the US, this would require that the community or location have an Automated airport weather station or similar device installed by an official organization.- Running On Brains (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Extremes in US places
A new editor, not affiliated with this project (!), has placed extreme events throughout US articles. At least in one city, the information, apparently from answer.com, was incorrect. If you have noticed these lately, you might check, or at least question, them. Student7 (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Without knowing which articles or which editor you are referring to, I can't take any action! Do you have any info?- Running On Brains (talk) 16:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox storm
I wanted to make a suggestion about Template:Infobox storm. I came across the article 2009 Australian dust storm with the storm infobox, and it is displaying required fields such as Lowest pressure which is useful for a tropical cyclone-type storm, but not an inland dust storm. Could a |show=no option be added for Pressure as is already available for |fatalities? I'm hoping someone with skills in these things can take a look. If there is a better place to post this, please advise. Thanks, — Senator2029 (talk) 12:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Redirect of Weather cell to Atmospheric circulation
I've taken this redirect to RFD as it was contested when I asked for speedy deletion. If anybody else would like to weigh in, the RFD is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_12#Weather_cell Inks.LWC (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Global storm activity articles listed for deletion
Please see Articles for deletion/Global storm activity of late 2010. ~ AH1 (TCU) 03:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The 2011 one was indeed deleted. The closing nominator said there should be a discussion for the older ones, so what better place than right here? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What? Do we need to sort out the old articles before new ones can be deleted? An embargo? ~ AH1 (TCU) 02:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Global storm activity of late 2010 (2nd nomination) - this is up for AFD. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed barnstar
So what does everybody think of this as a Barnstar for our WikiProject? I tried to make lightning, but couldn't come up with anything good. Feel free to tweak it or just make a new one if you think you can do better (my Gimp skills certainly aren't anywhere near professional level). Inks.LWC (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Atmospheric temperature
I am a bit surprised at seeing that there is not a generic page about the atmospheric temperature, I think it could be very useful. There are many atmospheric pages, including an atmospheric pressure. --Txebixev (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly what would be covered under this proposed article. Atmospheric pressure and its gradients have many consequences specific to meteorology outside of the generic definition of pressure, while temperature mostly has the same consequences in the atmosphere as it does in any other branch of physics. If you have any ideas I'd like to hear them. - Running On Brains (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * First I must say that I am not an expert on meteorology, neither I am involved in this project. I think that some general information about the atmospheric temperature would be interesting: which is the mean atmospheric temperature, how it varies according to the places (coldest and hottest) and along the time (temperature oscillations), maybe also along long periods of time (ice ages, global warming), how it decreases with height, maybe how it depends on other factors (wind? volcanos?), etc. The page could be not much long, and link to more specialized pages about the before mentioned topics, and others as for instance weather station and so on. Also it could include some of the nice graphics that are in the temperature page. --Txebixev (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have started a short stub, and have a generalized layout in mind for the article. Please feel free to collaborate. ~ AH1 (discuss!) 23:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for starting the page. I have put some categories into it. --Txebixev (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article: Climate oscillation
Hi. I don't know why I forgot to post this for review/discussion, but here is a recently-created article encompassing all climate oscillations (ENSO, AMO, etc.) Please have a look at the article, and improve it as needed. Any assessments or article layout suggestions would be welcome. Thanks. ~ AH1 (discuss!) 15:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

FAC
Just a heads up, the 1991 Perfect Storm, one of the more significant New England nor'easters, is on FAC right now - Featured article candidates/1991 Perfect Storm/archive1. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Jacobs Creek Flood
I just discovered this article. It hadn't been placed in the project yet, and it doesn't appear to have been touched by any of the meteorology folk, so I just thought I'd mention it here in case anyone wants to have a look. <b style="color:#009900">Ks0stm</b> (T•C•G•E) 04:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and done the assessment as a law importance start class. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion: Plain-English explanations?
The detailed accuracy of Wikipedia articles is great but if, like me, you came to the page (in my case the one on Arctic Oscillation) to find out what the terms means, in 'educated layman' terms, that detail can be an obstacle. Particularly in an area like meteorology, which is so specialised. Maybe each article could begin with a single paragraph non-technical explaiantion of the content? Then I could learn what I need to know and the experts, for whom the current content is doubtless of great benefit, could continue to enjoy the rest of the detail. Burgh House (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Upcoming nor'easter article
User:Hurricanehink/2011 - here is the basic outline for the upcoming unusual nor'easter/blizzard. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll hopefully be able to add to the meteorological aspect of the storm after the weekend if an article gets put up, but unfortunately my work schedule for the weekend has me working 16-hour days, so I won't get to anything until Monday. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool! I don't really have any idea what I'm doing here. Just look at my user name :P So when should such an article be published? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I published it here - 2011 Halloween nor'easter. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:56, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Cloud formation and climate change
An experienced user has opted to move the old "Nephology" stub to Cloud formation and climate change and hopefully to expand it as a see main from Cloud (removed pending development). Please take a look and offer advice / help as he builds the article. Vsmith (talk) 00:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Updating climate data
Since the NOAA 1981–2010 normals are available, albeit in a crude format, is it necessary that we start updating the stats for every US city?  The Tartanator   21:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Those are the new climate stats.  The old ones no longer are current.  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Question - Mass Updates of Climate Data
Hello...

I wanted to have a discussion around updating climate data on city level pages. I'm afraid I started on the wrong foot by beginning this prior to discussing with the community. You can follow the thread on my talk page Frisch1-Talk On the advice of admins, I'm taking a step back to see if there is consensus on this topic.

To take a step back, I've been operating Weatherbase with a couple of partners for 13 years. It's a side project, not much different than spending spare time maintaining Wikipedia :-). The initiation pre-dates Wikipedia, as we had to roll our own, so to speak.

We started noticing our users flagging errors that we traced back to transpositions on Wikipedia. Plus occasionally, the citations were a bit off. As I'm sure folks here would correct a misspelling of Wikipedia, we'd correct misspellings of our site.

A couple of weeks ago, we started looking at updating a few thousand pages directly from our database. The parameters we looked at (with some initial missteps as I was learning the Wiki culture, which Tartanator helped with):

-- Identify city level pages with no climate data or no climate box

-- Insert the key information most individuals (our demographic are folks planning vacations for the vast majority of our users, and we have a good solid minority that likes the depth of information in one place) look for: basic temperature and precip data

-- Be respectful that this could be misperceived, and place the citation link at the bottom of the page vs. inline to minimize the perception.

The reason for this: personally, I love Wikipedia and have been using it for years. As this is a side project, frankly it's nice to have your data used by as many people as possible.

In starting this without a general community consensus (vs. asking questions), we hit what probably most of you would predict: -- I was accused of spamming

-- I was accused of doing this to boost my links (since there's a no follow, not much point in that, plus with more than a decade on the web, the site has great organic search)

-- Somewhat surprisingly, I was accused of having shoddy data (see my Talk page for that thread). I want to be clear on the last point that's not the case, as the thread will reflect, and more than happy to provide supporting data. I just ticked someone off, I believe.

So I'm starting over, and not posting anything until I can arrive at some kind of consensus.

I have identified a bit more than 6,800 locations that have no climate data. They are almost entirely secondary and tertiary locations, where Wiki pages exist, but no climate data is present.

To be clear, in all of this, I'm not addressing weather data inserted from Weatherbase prior to two weeks ago. We've been used as a source (without permission, but that's fine) going back to 2007. What I'm looking to do is make sure the data that would go in going forward is accurate, and at least the most logical way we hit on was to put it in ourselves.

BTW, if the consensus (and I still don't know how Wikipedia defines that :- is no, it's a dead issue to me. Folks are welcome to keep using the data if they choose, or not if they don't and I won't try to insert anything. I'm in Wiki's hands.

I'm happy to share the data, provide it to the community, review methodology, go over data sources that feed the site. As The Tartanator pointed out in an earlier post, part of the reason we started doing what we do is the reason he pointed out for the 30-year norms... national met office data is unusable by all but climate scientists. Pulling, joining and normalizing this data (as well as merging with nearby sources, particularly for co-op stations) is a pain if you don't do it regularly, or easy if you've built your own parsers :-). The three partners in Weatherbase (though I'm the nerd) have thousands of hours invested in doing this. Oddly, that seemed to be viewed as a negative by the community, but we'll respect that decision and go on our way if that's the call. We've got these locations (in fact 26,000 locations) cleaned, normalized, in Wiki markup and ready to go.

So, to highlight all the potential negatives in one spot:

-- We run ads on Weatherbase. Servers cost money, and we make sure the hobby site pays for itself

-- We started to do this already, but froze when an admin asked us to hold to gain community consensus.

-- Minor one, but we added &refer=wikipedia in the links. Though our tracking identifies inbound source, it's easier on the content level. More than happy not to do this.

So we're on hold. The data's all there, and ready to be shared.

Please let me know. Thank you.

Frisch1 (talk) 23:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)Frisch1 (Bill Frischling)


 * As a fast follow up to my previous post, please feel free to look at an example of the format the NCDC publishes the new 30 year normals as referenced by Tartanator Pago Pago. I certainly have no objection to someone or someones parsing this data to republish and cite on Wikipedia. We've already incorporated this into our datasets, removing single source datapoints that used just the 1971-2000 data, and using this data to update, enhance and improve data (normally first order stations) where we can access the daily records to build this dynamically. This includes filtering through provisional data, etc. etc. Now multiply that out to BoM, JMA, KMA, the centralized WMO, MeteoFrance, SNM (both Mexico and Argentina)... the list goes on.


 * Then of course there's the naming convention on these stations, oftentimes for locations miles away, or for dams and other "non-friendly" locations that make sense to scientists. We've normalized to closest point using Google Maps, Yahoo Maps, and Geonames based on the exact lat/long coordinates. This is already cleaned, organized and filed in a MySQL db with both the raw and normalized/cleaned versions of the data. What I'm looking to do is share it. Open to suggestions. Hoping there will be responses and feedback.


 * Frisch1 (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)Frisch1
 * Technically, climate data for the United States originates from the National Climatic Data Center. If any of the articles use any other source, they could never be improved to Good Article or Featured Article status because NCDC is the original source.  However, I can see if climate data for some location is NOT covered by NCDC, that another source could be used since it would be the originator of the data.  If your organization does it, great.  However, for wikipedia purposes, it needs to be easily found online or in a published form at a library in order to be used...not just pulled out of some private vendor's website that then won't allow people reviewing the articles to check on its authenticity.  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Hi,

It has been suggested that glaze ice be merged into the freezing rain article since 8th of December 2011. It would be to hear from the communauty about his at Talk:Freezing rain. Pierre cb (talk) 13:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Useful photo?
Not sure if this is the right project to ask about this... Do any of you know if the photo at right is useful? It was uploaded without a description but maybe it's some sort of self-evident but interesting phenomenon of atmospheric optics. Thanks for your help! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like a small sundog within a halo. Yeah, it could be useful for either article.  =)  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the wrong shape to be a sundog. I would guess that the photo is a 22° halo around a nearly full moon, at a time when a planet or airplane happened to be in the right place to coincide with the halo. If so, the coincidence would make it a good photo but too atypical to illustrate an article. Palpable (talk) 06:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

APB for the Smithsonian Weather Maps (1848-1870)
I poked around the National Archives about 11 years ago trying to find these wild geese, but like the whole Library of Congress, Archives was overwhelming and although I was able to find memos relating to the Smithsonian Weather Network, I couldn't find any of their surface weather maps. I have messaged a wikipedian who works within Archives, and Archives themselves through their online form in case I overlooked them. Has anyone within the project ever seen them? They do not appear to be covered within the Weather Bureau or NOAA collections at the National Archives and I haven't run across them at the NOAA Central Library either. Out of ideas, and sending out a broad plea for help. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * here's a link at national archives 27.3 Records of the Smithsonian Meteorological Project 1848-91 Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 19:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

project title/tag
WikiProject Meteorology (WikiProject Meteorology and Weather Events) or meteorology (just meteorology) - for this project as the correct tag - clearly at some stage in the project history someone has changed the tag - so that there are two project names  - anyone au fait with the slippage between the two? SatuSuro 02:28, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The template at the top of this page is not the official "WP:Meteo" template. It can be changed to just say "WikiProject Meteorology". --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added "wp=yes" to the talk header tmp above. Maybe the message box below that should be removed, since it is redundant and confusing to which name the project goes by? --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Sky, Polar Vortex, and Atmospheric instability have been expanded
Leave comments, either here or on those pages, regarding whether or not there are significant gaps remaining in those articles. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice little phenomenon to be talked about
So, what's going on here, what is the cloud all about ? I suspect there may be a few articles this could brighten up. There is a lot of things that a volcanic eruption does to the atmosphere, and they are worth documenting, this is a featured picture, and it's as yet unused. I Cross-posted here. Penyulap  talk 19:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears to be a condensation cloud forming with the associated mushroom cloud from the volcano. What did you have in mind for using the picture in? Inks.LWC (talk) 09:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea, I'll tell you it was taken from the ISS though, that's my field of expertise, and it is a lovely picture, it's got a nice little star on it. But as to what it's doing to the clouds around it, and what it did to the Earths weather pattern as the ash traveled about, and if weather patterns historically have been effected by large eruptions that darken the skies and mess with the ecosystem, well I would leave it to you guys. Just pick a topic in weather and shove it in. See if it works. Presto. (btw what does ash do to the weather ?) Penyulap   talk 13:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The effects you are referring to are covered in the volcanic ash (GA class) and mushroom cloud (C class) articles in regards to volcanic eruptions, though it is also worth a mention in the volcanic eruption article if it isn't there already. Are you just looking to increase the use of this image?   Thegreatdr (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC

Climate of New York overhaul
The article has been significantly improved and expanded, but there is still a bit to be done before we can think of sending it through a GAN run. It was another article with a gallery-like section and no wikification before the 13th. The climate articles once upon a time specialized in this type of format. FYI. Thegreatdr (talk) 03:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Billion dollar U.S. disasters without articles (1980-present)
I'm working on a sandbox for the December 1992 nor'easter, and I was surprised to find out that it caused over $1 billion in damage. I think such events should be high priorities, and the NCDC has a nice list of them. Now, some of these may have articles and I couldn't find them, but I really think the following should have articles (due to high damage total):


 * 1982 Gulf Coast flooding - a several month event that caused $1.1 billion and 50 deaths from Texas to Florida.
 * 1982 West Coast storm series - crappy title, but NCDC lists 45 deaths and $1.1 billion in damage in the western U.S.
 * December 1983 cold wave - record cold temperatures across much of U.S. Caused White Christmas in Jacksonville, Florida. $2 billion in damage in Florida due to citrus crops
 * Heat wave of 1986 - severe drought and high temps in southeastern U.S. caused $1 billion in damage and 100 deaths
 * 1990 Southern United States flooding - 13 deaths, $1 billion in damage
 * December 1990 California cold wave - $3.4 billion in damage in California
 * 1993 southeastern United States heat wave (or something) - 16 deaths and $1 billion in damage
 * 1993 California wildfires - $1 billion, 4 deaths
 * February 1994 ice storm - $3 billion, 9 deaths, 2 pages of info on NCDC
 * 1994 Texas floods - currently some info at Hurricane Rosa (1994), but $1 billion and 19 deaths
 * 1994 wildfires - $1 billion in damage across western US
 * 1995 California flood - sub-section here, $3 billion, 27 deaths, and a special report
 * 1995-1996 Southern Plains drought - $5 billion in damage in Oklahoma and Texas
 * 1996-1997 West Coast flooding - $3 billion, 36 deaths (connected to this)
 * 1997/1998 El Niño - $1 billion in damage in SE US from flooding and severe weather - report
 * Heat wave of 1998 - $6 billion in damage, 200 deaths
 * December 1998 California cold wave - $2.5 billion in damage
 * Heat wave of 1998 - $1 billion in damage, 502 deaths
 * 2000 wildfire season - $2 billion in damage
 * 2002 wildfire season - $2 billion in damage, 21 deaths
 * Fall 2002 United States drought - $10 billion in damage
 * April 2003 hail storm - $1.6 billion, 2 deaths
 * October 2003 California wildfires - $2.5 billion in damage and 22 deaths - both Old Fire (2003) and Cedar Fire exist
 * Summer 2005 United States drought - $1 billion in damage across the Midwest
 * Summer 2006 United States drought - $6 billion in damage
 * 2006 wildfires caused over $1 billion in damage
 * April 2007 cold wave - $2 billion in damage, mostly to crops due to late-season freeze
 * 2007 drought - lasted much of the year across the country, $5 billion in damage
 * 2008 wildfires caused over $2 billion in damage
 * 2008 drought caused $2 billion in damage
 * June 2009 severe outbreak - possibly related to June 2009 Southern Kentucky derecho, $1.1 billion in damage
 * 2009 Great Plains drought - $5 billion in damage
 * March 2010 Southern New England floods - section here - $1.5 billion, 11 deaths
 * July 10-14, 2011 tornado outbreak - $1 billion, 2 deaths

The next step would be making a template for all $1 billion disasters (if you all think it's a good idea). Ideally, they should all be in decent shape, considering how recent they all were (even 1980 is pretty recent). The biggest ones without articles are the drought and wildfire ones, which are larger events and perhaps didn't get as much coverage as one single storm would've been. For example, the El Niño one. That was listed slightly more specifically as SE US floods and whatnot, but that could be part of something broader. I do think there was some value in the articles like Global storm activity of 2009, but they were simply too big and didn't know what to handle. Articles like Winter of 2009–2010 in the United Kingdom also make sense, but if they're written while current, they become too large and unfocused. Would something like Effects of the 1997-1998 El Niño in the United States be viable? Any input would be appreciated. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, the December 1992 nor'easter article is published! --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Rather than an El Nino episode article, how about having a generic Weather in YYYY page. Covering major events briefly that people like the FMS, NCDC, JMA, BOM etc cover within their annual reports and having a generic weather patterns section.Jason Rees (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with that comes that the El Niño covers two years in a broader pattern. Surely the combined 1997-98 works better than one for just 1997 and 1998, right? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But isnt the 97-98 El Nino like throwing Katrina into a discussion about TC Notability.Jason Rees (talk) 18:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, I think of 97-98 El Nino more like a global weather season with meteorological highlights. Unless it'd be better just having Weather in 1997? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lets have both, but not every ENSO event needs an article (eg: Neutrals and the 06-07 El Nino), especially as since 1970, only 1987 has had an El Nino last all year.Jason Rees (talk) 18:42, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Inviting comments
Hello Meteorology project, I have tagged David M. Roth for notability concerns. As the article is tagged to your project, and primarily seems to be about a meteorologist, I'm leaving this message here. Please comment at Talk:David M. Roth. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 13:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've sent to AfD. Please review Articles for deletion/David M. Roth. —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 09:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

HOW IS THE DROUGHT AFFECTING TO THE UK?
According to the BBC, some water companies are gointo puthosepipe bans amid drought conditions.What do you think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17340844 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolamerchan (talk • contribs) 16:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a forum. Bruvtakesover (T&#124;C) 16:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Translation of weather boxes from other languages - macros
Hi, I have an idea. There are few weather boxes in articles about cities located in some parts of the world, particularly Russia and Latin America. So I thought that someone could create a Word Macro which would enable the mass translation of these weather boxes from the original languages (Russian and Spanish). (examples: Russian, Spanish weatherboxes)

The weather boxes would then need almost no additional editing, ready to place them in the article. I would create the macros myself, but I'm bad at it, I can't create it properly. So, can anyone make the macros and upload them somewhere for others to use them? --85.70.56.231 (talk) 03:09, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HighBeam
HighBeam describes a limited opportunity for Wikipedia editors to have access to HighBeam Research. —Wavelength (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for the inclusion of meteorology biography articles
As a recent subject of a deleted article, it's time to establish clear guidelines regarding who to create articles for in the meteorology project. The following list is derived from the military project, from which many good ideas have originated over the years: In general, an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources.

In particular, an individual will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they:
 * 1) Were awarded their nation's highest award for meteorology or
 * 2) Were awarded their nation's second-highest award for meteorology; or
 * 3) Held a rank considered to be that equivalent of a national agency; or
 * 4) Played an important role during a significant tropical cyclone event; or
 * 5) Made a material contribution to tropical cyclone meteorology that is indisputably attributed to them; or
 * 6) Were the undisputed inventor of a form of weather technology which significantly changed the nature of the science; or
 * 7) Were recognised by their peers as an authoritative source on meteorology/tropical cyclones.

You think that about covers it? Thegreatdr (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

African Centre of Meteorological Application for Development
Hi. I just started African Centre of Meteorological Application for Development but this needs more work. I'll be working on it, but help is of course welcome! --Gerrit CUTEDH 21:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Cyclogenesis
There is currently a tag on this good article asking for a section to be made less technical. I am hoping someone from this project may be able to help. There is some additional information on the talk page. AIR corn (talk) 03:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

2010 Ladakh floods
Hi all,

In a diversion from my usual activities over at WPs Geology and Solar System, I just put a bit of effort into cleaning up the article on the 2010 Ladakh floods (including renaming it!). I think it's considerably more informative and clear now, and I'm hopeful I've pulled it up off the bottom rung of start class. Could someone head over there and give it a quick quality (re-)assessment? Thanks! DanHobley (talk) 00:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Merge Climate & Meterology projects
I'd like to suggest that the inactive wikiproject WP:WikiProject Climate be merged into this one, WP:WikiProject Meteorology, as climate and meteorology are closely linked, and long term weather patterns and historical long term patterns are also part of climatology. The easiest way to accomplish this while maintaining a climate discussion area is to make climate a taskforce of meteorology (WP:WikiProject Meteorology/Climate or WP:WikiProject Meteorology/Climatology), or a straight redirection of climate here can be done, with archiving of the climate project talk page into meteorology's archivebox. Many climate articles are already tagged with WP:METEO's banner, and WP:CLIMATE doesn't seem to have had a banner. (Talk:Climate only has WP:METEO's banner) 70.24.251.208 (talk) 08:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal review/Weather query
This portal could use some improvement, see above discussion for some suggestions on things to work on, any help you could give in contributing to the efforts to maintain its quality rating would be most appreciated. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Featured portal review/Weather

Windchill forumulas need rewriting
Missing parenthesis, formulas are hard to understand, celcius has no satisfactory reference. Needs reworking for average people with examples eg. How do you calculate 10 squareroot 60? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newb787 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Derecho
I've posited a question on the talk page of Derecho about why a German-Danish immigrant in Iowa chose to name this weather event in Spanish--especially when the word just means "straight." It's a question a lot of us non-weather people might have when we are wondering what kind of crack-addict Thunderstorm hit us last week, killed 17 people, and kept us without power for a week and we hear the word "derecho" for the first (and likely only) time in our lives.--ColonelHenry (talk) 14:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Storm stats and Template:Storm stats 1
Template:Storm stats and Template:Storm stats 1 have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the templates' entry on the Templates for discussion page. DH85868993 (talk) 01:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Levee
The naming of "levee" is up for discussion, see Talk:Levee -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 04:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Clean up of our articles
I have just finished a massive clean up of our articles through AWB, going through meteorological categories recursively. In all, it was about 9,000 articles, and well over 500 of them ended up being changed, so the project from a typo and formatting standpoint should be pretty good as of now. This is probably something I'll do once every year or two, as it makes sure all of our articles are up to par. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

request for help on Sierra Madre Occidental
I worked quite a bit on this article, including adding a section on the mountain range's climate. I think that this is the correct wikiproject to request help from, as I would like someone to look over this section of the article. Is there anyone who would care to help me out? --Al Climbs (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Offer of small scale, part time, help and desire to complete the weather symbols
Dear WikiProject Meteorologists, When I read the various met. articles, in general, I find some of the international aspects missing, and in particular, the various weather symbols illustrated are incomplete and not always rendered consistently. Obviously, Wikipedia isn't a subsitute for the WMO http://www.wmo.int and its definitive documents and regulations, but I would like to complete the well rendered professional symbols in Wikimedia at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Weather_map_symbols, as there are about 350, rather than just about 140 that I have found. I am not referring to the the media friendly symbols such as at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Weather_symbols.

Have you any suggestions as to how I should do this? I aleady have samples of all 350 symbols, in SVG, but they still need making consistent, having metadata added, and fall back non-SVG images created. Some of the weather articles will need altering to refer to, or use, them, and mention their definitive status (they are used by all meteorologists in the world.

I will probably be able to get some small assistance from my community - but I am not sure whether being a professional meteorologist is an anti-qualification for editing encyclopedia articles, and my Wiki skills are low-level.

ChrisLit (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Go for it is all i can say, being a meteorologist doesn't disqualify you from contributing to articles on wikipedia.Jason Rees (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you need any help with the wiki skills or editing the articles, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

climate of pittsburgh.
The climate of Pittsburgh is not humid subtropical. The winters are too cold. In April of this year we had, like, 4 to 8 inches of snow, and the temperature reading in my car most mornings lately were consistently in the 20s, with low 20s on a few mornings. In a humid subtropical climate, the temperature would be in the high 40s to 50, maybe. So, Pittsburgh don't match cities like Savannah or Ocala or New Orleans in climate. My grandparents are in a trailer park just outside Ocala and the lowest temps there are consistently in the low to mid 50s with 70s for highs. So, obviously, Pittsburgh and Ocala have two separate climate types; humid continental and humid subtropical, respectively. Also probably instead of crape myrtles or needle palms in Pittsburgh, they have lylacs and Norway spruces respectively. Or birches, or aspens or balsam firs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.236.184.42 (talk) 01:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This matter was discussed in the talk pages currently in Archive 4. Seems a case of dueling references, and what's posted is the "average" opinion.  The Koppen system isn't exact, and it depends on the climatologist one speaks to.  If it's any consolation, the weather in Pittsburgh will be humid subtropical soon enough. Watchwolf49z (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Gallery in the Kármán vortex street article
There is currently an ongoing discussion on whether there should or should not be a gallery in the Kármán vortex street article. The discussion is located at Talk:Kármán vortex street. As this article is within this WikiProject, I thought I would put this here to get some more discussion as I am so far the only person to have weighed in (and it seemed a little too minor to take to RfC quite yet). Inks.LWC (talk) 22:55, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Unconsummated merge proposal
Please see: Talk:Temperate climate. Would a qualified user look at the situation and work to resolve the article issues.

See merger discussion involving Temperate climate, Temperateness, and Middle latitudes. The discussion at Talk:Temperateness was closed in September 2012 (after 3 years with only 3 statements). This merger hasn't been completed despite a consensus finding. Some of those involved in initiating the discussion may no longer be active on Wikipedia. See also Temperate climate: Revision history


 * 16:46, 6 July 2008‎ RussBot ‎ m . . (27 bytes) (+4)‎ . . (Robot: Fixing double-redirect -"Temperate" +"Temperateness")
 * 04:20, 26 August 2004‎ Rvollmert ‎ . . (23 bytes) (-1,315)‎ . . (redirect to Temperate, where this has been merged)

Thanks, SBaker43 (talk) 06:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't look to me as a merger is needed. Just about all the information in Temperateness and Middle latitudes is covered in Temperate climate.  I'd suggest deleting the first two and call the merge done. The remaining article still needs quite a bit of work to be done, but this action would clear the merge issue. Watchwolf49z (talk) 12:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes temperate climate would be the preferred title, so I'd go with it. Temperateness strikes me as rather odd for a title here and it is a more general term. It is however, the only one with references, so that portion should be included. Middle latitudes could be a more general article, not just climate focused as it now is. Vsmith (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Proposals have been made on the Temperate climate talk page. Watchwolf49z (talk) 15:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

National Weather Service
Hey all, I'm not sure how active this page is. But here goes:

I started about a week and a half ago on a project to improve the National Weather Service article to GA status. Right now it's at Start class. If anyone wants to help in any way, by giving feedback or helping source stuff, I'd really appreciate it. My main priority is to expand the sections that have less than two paragraphs in them (namely, some of the suborganizations, technology, and controversy sections) with sourcing. If anyone wants more information, feel free to ask here, on my talkpage, or through my email (I have Wikipedia email enabled, so just use Special:Email from my userpage). Thanks again! gwickwire talk edits 23:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe re-post this in the talk page there. I might also suggest contacting your local WFO, they just sit around drinking coffee throwing darts every six hours ... I'm sure they'd love to help (ha ha joke) Watchwolf49z (talk) 01:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In all honestly, my WFO is Austin/San Antonio (EWX), and during the winter, aside from the one, if that, freeze warning per year they don't issue stuff at all. I'm not sure I want to bring COI into it. Also, an editor previously told me that the language was already too technical (technical my butt if you ask me). Thanks for the advice though, you wouldn't want to help would you? Or at the very least go bump it up to C class (if you think it meets it)? Thanks again! gwickwire  talk edits 02:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've my hands tied up with Coriolis effect right now. The Physics people there are a bit hostile towards any weather information there if it doesn't exact match their ideas. It'll be months getting that article into shape, weather-wise. Watchwolf49z (talk) 15:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Count me in! I'll probably be a bit gnome-like in my improvements, but I have rather extensive knowledge of the NWS, especially the severe weather related National Centers for Environmental Prediction branches and local WFOs. --Ks5stm (talk) [alternative account of Ks0stm] 02:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Can i suggest that the NCEP subsection gets cut down to what's actually needed for an overview article and that we export bits from the NWS article to the NCEP article.Jason Rees (talk) 09:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's missing a LOT of sources. I can help with that tonight when I get home. Inks.LWC (talk) 10:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

'Annual' Meterological impact articles
Hi, Would it be possible to start a process whereby 'annual' meteorological impact articles are written for specific regions?

This means that rather than having debates about what constitutes a 'freak' event for notability, there is an ongoing article writing process, from which exceptional events (such as unusally severe cold snaps) could be split aif they expand out of proportion to the 'annual' articles?

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Lightning, Lightning Related... Clean up & conflicting issues resolution
Hello all! There are many articles out there related to lightning... and a good quantity of them are all over the place, and often conflicting. From experience, I should add that De facto standards often trump following the Wiki 5 Pillars, which needless to say is frustrating. Given the credibility of this page, I'm hoping to engage wiki editors in a cleanup project of "Lightning", "Lightning Properties [Physical]" & "How man deals with lightning [which is just as significant as say levees for flood control, but no where near as visible or prevalent when they fail." Thanks all who are interested! Borealdreams (talk) 21:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is one starting point... Talk:Distribution of lightning
 * Here is a general grouping I've put together... Borealdreams/Lightning_Science_and_Related
 * I see in the main project page, lightning doesn't even have it's own project page ironically. Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology - Scope section  Anyone care into start one... my above two topic grouping would be better suited there. [I don't know how to do so]
 * I'm not sure I exactly understand what you're saying. Are you saying the individual articles need clean up or are you saying some need to be merged together.  And what things are conflicting between the articles? Inks.LWC (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note my 2nd point above, go to the link & see "Topic - A Spark, is a Spark, is a Spark", then click on the 3 different pages.... they are all nearly the same, but each addresses lightning in its own unique & different way. One by history (Ben Franklin), one by properties, the 3rd not at all.
 * Also just look at Lightning as other evidence to what I am point out Borealdreams (talk) 22:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm still not understanding your point. None of those pages addresses lightning in depth at all (the third only in the see also, but the third one is almost a disambiguation page, so it shouldn't be discussed there. Inks.LWC (talk) 22:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That IS exactly my point. [I'm not sure if you saw my second point, think I added it while you were writing]. They are all the same thing (disambiguation) and lightning IS a spark (although a complex one).  I'm trying to start small and get these pages in agreement, as Lightning itself is so huge, AND needs work. I'm not sure if you are looking at it from a wiki "formatting" view, but I am asking you to look at it from a technical, scientific stand point... as therein lies the problems. Borealdreams (talk) 22:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * But they're not the same. An electric spark is a type of electrostatic discharge, which is a type of electric discharge. In my opinion, electric discharge shouldn't mention lightning (other than maybe the see also).  The most detailed part about lightning should be in electric spark, and electrostatic discharge can mention it in the section on sparks, but it shouldn't go into too much detail.  That should ultimately be left to the lightning page, and behind that, the electric spark page.  My view would be that the text from the discharge article should be moved to the spark article, and vice versa. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just looked at the Lightning article. I think you should start there, fixing all the calls for correction; and bring it up to "Good Article" grade. See what the environment looks like then.  There's an on-going discussion there now about some mergering. Watchwolf49z (talk) 18:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I knew I wasn't crazy :) It will probably be a challenge, but it is needed.  I am putting together a collection of pages in the wikisphere related to lightning, in particular Cloud to Ground, as that is where my interest lies & the primary area that effects "mankind & his things" and the area I feel is missing cohesiveness & lacking clarity.  Borealdreams (talk) 04:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, didn't intent to... but followed the !!!Be Bold!!! idea and ended up with this lightning. I've also made many comments in the talk section of lightning as well.  Borealdreams (talk) 09:06, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Flood article
FYI, I just finished going through the Flood article with a fine-toothed comb. Maybe someone else can review the page again and see how it looks now. The page has been the subject of a bunch of vandalisation (as have at least a few other meteorology articles I've noticed), but I think that it's got some protection now from non-registered user edits. Enjoy... Guy1890 (talk) 04:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Tehuano wind now a redirect to Tehuantepecer
I was bold and went ahead and made Tehuano wind a redirect to Tehuantepecer. The latter is a more developed article, and they are about the exact same thing. No merger of content was necessary. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

List of cloud types
List of cloud types has a section on "other planets", but it's rather sparse, do we have an article for Clouds outside the Earth ? Particularly, the cloud types article is missing Titan, Triton (cryovolcanic clouds), Io (volcanic clouds); not to mention clouds on brown dwarfs. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The clouds on Titan (moon) are documented at the Climate of Titan, and the clouds on Triton (moon) are documented at the Atmosphere of Triton. I dunno much about Io...it seems like there might not be "clouds" per say there as opposed to areas where there is a dispersion of certain substances.  I know nothing about brown dwarves.  Good luck...Guy1890 (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Please help out on the article about the recent European snowstorms and their effects
I think this topic is notable enough and I'm puzzled why Wikipedia lacks articles about huge snowstorms. My article: March, 2013 European snowstorms, thanks! -Rev L. Snowfox (talk) 13:15, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Error in Atmosphere entry
The composition of earth's atmosphere uses the percentage numbers for dry air for nitrogen, oxygen, etc, and also includes a percentage for water vapor (1.2% or so). This makes the total come to more than 100%. Should be re-worded IMHO. JNRSTANLEY (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC) Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Thegreatdr (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Admin for Subtropics
I'm running into series issues editing the subtropics article, which has a huge host of problems. It's one of those articles which has so many issues, that you feel like you need to start from scratch. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Creation of the Marine weather forecasting article
The major article expansion is likely done. More referencing and some structural edits are likely required. Come give it a look and see what you think. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

WxBot
I've created WxBot, a bot which runs through AWB, to perform tasks for meteorology-relate projects. So far it has been approved for link and template replacement, but if we need it to do anything else in the future, I can make a request for additional approved tasks. I have placed a subsection giving a brief overview of the bot on the Project page under the Participants section. If anyone feels as if there's a better place for the subsection, feel free to move it. Inks.LWC (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Colour of weatherboxes
There is a discussion happening at the weatherbox to determine which colours should be used. It is one of those templates where the addition of various colours can be problematic and controversial to other editors, used on a large scale and that the default colouring can be a problem in certain weatherboxes. There should be more opinions from other users in order to reach a consensus. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The vote on the color schemes/styles to be used in the climate project is about to occur. Please vote, if you have any interest in weather box standardization within the climate project. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)