Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Australia/0.7 articles

The Version 0.7 DVD release will include about 30,000 articles. A Bot has selected the following 23 WP:WA articles covering the topic of Western Australia. Some of these listed are possibly slightly obscure or of insufficient quality to be included, and there are other articles not listed which should be.

Note that a long wish-list of articles to add will likely fail — there is limited space available. We should try to present a list of similar length to what's there currently (23).

Please give some suggestions and hopefully we can find a consensus.

Original list

 * Albany, Western Australia
 * Banksia brownii
 * Barry Marshall
 * Batavia (ship)
 * Black Swan
 * Bunbury, Western Australia
 * Fremantle, Western Australia
 * Great Victoria Desert


 * INXS
 * Kalgoorlie, Western Australia
 * Kimberley (Western Australia)
 * Noongar
 * Nullarbor Plain
 * Numbat
 * Perth Glory FC
 * Perth, Western Australia
 * Shark Bay, Western Australia
 * Swan River (Western Australia)
 * University of Western Australia
 * Western Australia
 * William Dampier
 * Yagan
 * Yilgarn Craton

Suggestions

 * Remove INXS - will most certainly be picked up by the WP:AUSMUS project. I've since removed WA=yes from INXS talk page as explained there.
 * Remove Yilgarn Craton - quality good, but slightly too obscure/technical for general interest
 * Remove Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, quality concern
 * Remove Perth Glory FC and add West Coast Eagles. (controversial!).  PG membership 17K, WCE: 44K, Freo: 37K
 * Add John Forrest
 * Add Hartog Plate - low quality so could be persuaded otherwise
 * Add Moondyne Joe
 * Add Swan River Colony

Moondyne 05:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I endorse all of the above, except the removal of Yilgarn Craton, which I'm not too sure about; and it would be nice if someone (not me) would improve Kal so we don't have to remove it.
 * I would probably remove University of Western Australia and Bunbury, Western Australia.
 * Possible inclusions, if we can get them up to scratch: Anigozanthos manglesii, Eucalyptus marginata, Wheatbelt, Shark Bay (sorry SatuSuro, but it is world heritage listed), Goldfields Water Supply Scheme. Hesperian 06:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

General discussion
FYI, West Coast is included in the AFL list, but the Glory isn't in the Australian soccer list. Somno (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think cross-list comparisons are useful, as there are a lot of counterintuitive results there; e.g. Gnangarra pointed out to me that Banksia brownii was included here and in the Australia list, but is not in the Banksia list! I can only assume that the bot implementation gives a weighting to each project, so that project-specific importances are not compared as equal; this would be necessary to prevent "Top" importance Banksia articles from outranking "High" importance plant articles. Hesperian 00:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * UWA is rated top-importance for WA - if it really is of top-importance to our state, then it should be there. I support adding the Goldfields Water Supply Scheme as CY O'Connor was one I was going to suggest. Somno (talk) 07:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The soccer list is quite dodgy. Brazilian imports and no Johnny Warren who is the father of the game and a reasonable article.  I'll leave it for them to resolve that.  Moondyne 07:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Warren had no importance rating for that project; I've just rated it "Top". Hesperian 00:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * AFL list has problems too - no players, no people at all, no Brownlow medal... I support the removal of Yilgarn Craton, simply because it loses me in the third sentence... It appears to need a lot of work to be more accessible and less technical. I also have quality concerns about Kalgoorlie, but I think we need Kalgoorlie because of the super pit and gold rush. Somno (talk) 07:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this, and I came to the view that we're tackling this the wrong way. Instead of foisting our priorities on our readers, we should be identifying the articles they are most interested in, and trying to improve them sufficiently for them to earn selection. One of the excellent things about the release data is that it contains a complete list of WP:WA articles that be sorted by hit count. The top ten articles by hit count are: Personally, I didn't anticipate that the list would be so thoroughly low-brow, and am sorely tempted to renege on my suggestion that we should be following it. On the one hand, following this list would make for a more popular 0.7 selection; on the other, I'm not sure that I want the 0.7 selection to present Wikipedia this way. :-( Hesperian 00:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Perth, Western Australia (74340 hits, selected)
 * Pendulum (band) (51330)
 * Gemma Ward (50940)
 * INXS (49200, selected)
 * Western Australia (25530, selected)
 * Wolf Creek (film) (23040)
 * The John Butler Trio (14970)
 * Hold Your Colour (12630)
 * Rolf Harris (11670)
 * Keisha Castle-Hughes (11340)
 * Michael Johns (singer) (10830)
 * Rabbit-Proof Fence (film) (9060)
 * Perth Glory FC (8400, selected)
 * Hungry Jack's (8010)
 * Black Swan (7950, selected)
 * West Coast Eagles (6960)
 * John Butler (musician) (6870)
 * Kalgoorlie, Western Australia (6480, selected)
 * Birds of Tokyo (6420)
 * Fremantle,_Western_Australia (6150, selected)
 * Of course it's lowbrow - all Wikipedia is good for is pop culture stuff! Cough. That sort of list is also skewed towards recent events - who knows if anyone's going to care about an American Idol contestant in a year's time. And are Pendulum always going to be so popular? (Ignoring the fact that I've not heard of them until now...) I suppose the best solution would be a mix of the two options. Somno (talk) 02:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

1st draft revised list
Based on above comments, and being a bit bold, how's this?


 * Albany, Western Australia
 * Banksia brownii
 * Barry Marshall
 * Batavia (ship)
 * Black Swan
 * Bunbury, Western Australia
 * Fremantle, Western Australia
 * Great Victoria Desert


 * INXS
 * Kalgoorlie, Western Australia
 * Kimberley (Western Australia)
 * Noongar
 * Nullarbor Plain
 * Numbat
 * Perth Glory FC
 * Perth, Western Australia
 * Shark Bay, Western Australia
 * Swan River (Western Australia)
 * University of Western Australia
 * Western Australia
 * William Dampier
 * Yagan
 * Yilgarn Craton


 * Additions
 * Anigozanthos manglesii
 * Eucalyptus marginata
 * The John Butler Trio
 * John Forrest
 * Moondyne Joe
 * Swan River Colony
 * Goldfields Water Supply Scheme

Moondyne 02:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Rationale:
 * Some balance between contemporary culture, history and science is desirable. Pendulum is from WA and the hit number is impressive, but I don't think they're seen as WA related in a strong sense.  John Butler Trio is both and is a fairly reasonable article
 * Albany and Bunbury and Kal is a bit excessive. Keep Albany based on history and is marginally better article.  Kal needs some attention
 * Banksia brownii as it is just so good and is representative of an important plant of the state. Added also jarrah and kangaroo paw as they are quintesentially Western Australian
 * INXS - not really WA
 * Glory - another project's baby
 * The other additions are, IMHO essential and so I've had to remove some lesser ones in Dampier, UWA, Marshall.
 * If we had to lose one more it'd be Great Victoria Desert for me.
 * Getting better; personally I would put William Dampier well ahead of Great Victoria Desert (and GVD is about half South Australian). Banksia brownii is an outlier in that it is the only entry of trifling significance; and having three plant species seems a bit much for a list of 23 articles. If we dumped it we could squeeze Bazza back in.... Hesperian 03:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Instead of one of the plant species, it might be good to have an article about one living West Australian in the set (not counting John Butler). Barry Marshall, as a recent Nobel Prize winner (our only one?) seems a good choice even though the article is a bit short considering his record of achievement.GlenDillon 05:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at the list from a musical POV really the only top rating music associations with WA are Rolf Harris and Bon Scott, where's Heath Ledger I would have expected him to have been in the list. I agree that while B.brownii is a featured article and has the best coverage of the topic in any public resource it's should only be border line consideration but it just doesnt compare to Jarrah and the Kangaroo Paw as a notable plant in WA. IMHO Fiona Stanley and Rove McManus should be in the list above Barry Marshall. Gnangarra 11:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't smoke em if you ain't got em. Hesperian 13:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Turn away from what looked like another 100 people issue and look what happens - I for one do not like Shark Bay on the list one bit - it might be world heritage but the article and related articles are poor in quality - the bias against yilgarn craton shows what a geologically challenged bunch you all are - and another poor article is the goldfields water supply scheme article if it came to the crunch - it either needs a lot of work - university of wa out i can handle but so few actual people - gnangarra's people are ok - but what happened to any of the 100 which we all laboured (in my case argued) over all that time ago SatuSuro 12:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We gotta have Rofl. Moondyne 15:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC) I'd put Alan Bond ahead of Rove. Moondyne 15:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A worthy addition, but I think Eucalyptus marginata still needs improvements. cygnis insignis 15:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I was chatting to my significant other last night, about how sad it is that WA's most famous are not of the ilk of Barry and Fiona, but rather Gemma, Rove, Rofl, Heath and Bon. She observed that I had (and we all have) forgotten one of the most famous of all: Megan. Hesperian 04:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Certainly more attractive than the Yilgarn Craton and a few million years younger - closer to what we need :) SatuSuro 07:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)