Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 10

Could this be a personal user award?
Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents  02:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? I didn't get it.  C h a m a l  talk 03:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly! Mind you, I wouldn't use it, because me mainly eat rice and noodles here in Hong Kong. Kayau (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything can be a personal user award. Doesn't need to be discussed here.  Just create it and give it to someone.  Un  sch  ool  05:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go for it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed WikiLove Barnstar
Kayau (talk) 10:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To clarify, this would be an award for people who consistently show wikilove to others, right? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not, Nutiketaiel, it's for people who promote wikilove, concilliate arguments, or stop wikihatred. All the best, Kayau (Free Lemonades don't cost a penny) 02:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How about enlarging the word "Wikilove" at the bottom? Abce2 |  Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... that's quite difficult. All the best, Kayau (Free Lemonades don't cost a penny) 02:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You could get the words as a different item, but I don't know if that would work. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  02:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not buying it yet. This just seems to tread old ground.  Besides, we also already have:
 * The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
 * The Barnstar of Good Humor
 * The Special Barnstar
 * The Civility Barnstar
 * The Motivation Barnstar
 * The Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
 * The Helping Hand Barnstar
 * all of which are simply more specific examples of persons who promote wikilove. And these are all on the main barnstar page, I don't know what else is on WP:PUA or project pages.  I just don't see the need.  Un  sch  ool  05:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you will allow me to say so, the passage is not a good argument. However, you have a point for those barnstars you listed here. Perhaps the civility barnstar will do just as well. I'll abandon this barnstar. :-P All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 05:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, that was a weak arguement, and I'm getting rid of it; I confused myself. But yes, I still think, because of these other B-stars, this is is unnecessary.  Cheers.  Un  sch  ool  05:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am inclined to agree with Unschool; we do not need it as a general Barnstar. However, it is a very nice looking one and it would be a shame to waste it.  Perhaps you should offer it to the Kindness Campaign or the Welcoming Committee as a barnstar specificly for their wikiprojects?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And, for my part, I agree with Nutiketaiel.  Un  sch  ool  04:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've reconsidered this, and now I still agree with Nutiketaiel. Un  sch  ool  03:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

About sections on this page
Proposal: Does anyone mind if I change all the  to be   just to make the contents less cluttered, and make so that when you click on the arrow in the edit summary: (→Comments:Plus my thoughts) it actually takes you to the right place. - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You read my mind. That's exactly what I wanted to say! (You're a person of miracle!) All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments

I wouldn't touch it because their like that in the archives already. I don't think that the length of the contents is bugging everybody. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? Are you sure about the archives, I had a look through every single archive linked to from the top of this page, couldn't find any "comment" sub-sections. Could you provide a link please? - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't go changing any archives, but please, please, PLEASE stop using the  subheader in new threads.  It's driving me mad.  Changing it to   has my full support.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As it seems the consensus at this point is to change, I have done. It can always be easily changed back. - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No no, for goodness' sake no. I fully support the change. Why did we start this in the first place? It's annoying the hell out of me, but I thought that was my problem until I saw this suggestion.  C h a m a l  talk 15:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The culprit is uncovered
I have uncovered the source of this unnecessary sectioning. It seems that a particularly stupid editor brought two barnstars to this page for discussion under the impression that both of them were the products of the same editor. Looking at the dif one can see that he created one comments section for the Linguistic BStar and another comments section for the Biography BStar (two subsections of one section dealing with two barnstars). Then this moron, having realized his mistake about the creatorship of said Barnstars, compounded his error by splitting the section into two separate sections, each with a now pointless subsection for comments. All I can say is that this is the type of sloppy workmanship that cannot be tolerated. I propose that said editor be brought up to the powers that be for a long block (say, six months), if not an outright ban. This sort of thing really pisses me off. Un sch  ool  01:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sarcasm alert? [[Image:Smiley.svg|15px]] --JBC3 (talk) 04:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, just attempting to hide in plain sight. Un  sch  ool  04:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We should create a "Speedy Blocking Criteria", and the first one can be called "G7" ;p - Kingpin13 (talk) 07:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Unschool. First, Unschool, I thought that editor you described as 'moron', 'particularly stupid', etc., was yourself. Secondly, because I was new to here then, I (innocently) thought that it is necessary to put Comments after each proposal. And thirs, I think JBC3 was right when he said this is sarcasm. When I first looked at this section, I was confused, then frightened, then confused again, then angry, etc., until I thought I was going crazy. And lastly, what do you mean by 'the type of sloppy workmanship that cannot be tolerated'? Thanks for you kind attension. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 08:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Unschool is talking about himself. He did this ===Comments=== thing first, then you did the same thing, simply following his lead. His comments about the "moronic" editor are referring to himself, and the "sloppy workmanship" is referring to himself again :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh heh... we got you now Drag him to the village stocks, people.  C h a m a l  talk 10:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

UNSCHOOL! You have epic failed in your efforts! Prepare to face the consequences!

Let that be a fishy lesson to you. :-P Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kayau, if I caused you any emotional distress, let me say now that I'm sorry. I actually added the diffs for the specific reason that I worried that someone might not realize that I was talking about myself.  So by way of making amends, let me offer you this:



Unschool has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Only be careful when biting into it. I got it from Nutiketaiel almost a week ago and it's been laying out in the open on my talk page, so it may be a little stale. (Also, I hope no one stepped on it.) Un  sch  ool  21:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You re-gifted the cookie I gave you? How rude!  :-P  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No, Unschool, there is no need to apologise. After all, I wasn't exactly in a good mood yesterday, so your little self-critism didn't do much harm. Thanks for the cookie anyway (unless Nutiketaiel is planning to swipe it back. :)) All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 14:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC) 

Nutiketaiel (talk) has eaten your cookie! The cookie made happy and 'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more cookies, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{subst:munch}}!

My cookie now. Nom nom nom. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

My prediction was correct. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 08:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Barnstar
I have an idea for a barnstar for user who expose sockpuppets. Or is that too specific? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  00:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the idea so far. You have a design in mind as to what it would look like? --JBC3 (talk) 04:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it possible to say that one does not like this barnstar without being thought as one who employs sockpuppets? Anyway, this seems to me to be backwards. Barnstars reward those who do positive good, not those who stop the bad.  I don't know.  Seems kinda unbarnstarlike to me, that's all.  Un  sch  ool  04:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you could say that catching sockpuppets is good work. Or say it's like our anti-vandalism barnstar(s). I don't mind the idea, after all, you normally find sock-puppets when you're working on an article, and two users come along and start reverting you. So it'll likely get given to content-builders - Kingpin13 (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree; stopping the encroachment of evil footwear is a positive good. As for a design, I'm not sure... maybe a Barnstar with a different color tube sock pulled up on each of the points of the star?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There's an old image at File:Sock_Puppet_Star.png which I dont know what it's being used for. The only place I remember seeing it used was as replacement of a barnstar given by a sockpuppet. - Kingpin13 (talk) 11:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me try sonething. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  20:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I dunno, it's pretty hard to actually see the barnstar. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What about if the barnstar was shrunk down and the sockpuppet was wearing it, like a sheriff's badge? Un  sch  ool  21:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If the sockpuppet was wearing, would that mean the sock was like a sheriff? My computers having problems, so I may not be able to get one done today. Abce2 |  Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  23:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we want it to appear as if we are glorifying the sockpuppet. Perhpas just a picture of a sock, with a barnstar over top of it? --JBC3 (talk) 01:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Admitedly, my idea of putting the badge on the sock is illogical. Inexplicably, I still like it.  Call it a touch of irony.   Un  sch  ool  02:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the Sock Sheriff idea is pretty cute, but I, too, am concerned that it sends the wrong message. What if instead of the circle with a line through it over the sock above, we put the sock behind bars?  It will send a similiar message, but it might be easier to see the star.  You might also want to lose the extra sock puppets around the edges of the star; with the big guy in the middle, they are just overkill.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, for that matter, why not just use the star as it was originally, with the sock puppet overtop, no adornments? I'm sure everyone will realize rather quickly that it is not for being a sock puppet, which is bad.  It would be especially clear if we gave it a very clear name, like "The Sock Puppet Catcher's Barnstar."  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. --JBC3 (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I know it's pretty simplistic (like I've said I don't have much in the way of image creating skills), but you get the idea. Thoughts? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

R|Are you imprisoning that poor, innocent barnstar? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 14:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, no, only the sock puppet is imprisoned. The Barnstar is just visiting the sock puppet.  You know, to provide legal counsel.  Yeah, that's it; the Barnstar is the Sock Puppet's lawyer.  (Be grateful I said that; my first thought was conjugal visit).  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Eh, it just seems a bit cluttered to me. I'd like to see just the sock (like an actual sock, not the sock dude) and a star, and see how that looks. --JBC3 (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This imprisoned barnstar goes against most of what I like in Barnstars, yet, for some reason, I really, really, like it. I could actually live with this one.  Un  sch  ool  15:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there's an idea (with real socks :D). Tell me what you think... I myself am not particularly proud of it (the socks are too big, the background is too dark compared to the cuffs etc.) but it's there as an idea of another design we could use. At the moment, I prefer Nutiketaiel's - Kingpin13 (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the concept and appearance of it better than the other two, but I still don't think it's there yet. Something about the star in shackles makes me sad. --JBC3 (talk) 01:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is more like what I usually look for in BStars. The images are clear, including the Star itself.  But, clever as it is, it doesn't work for me.  If we could think of the Barnstar anthropomorphically (with the top point being the head, the next two going down as the arms, and the bottom two as legs), I might like to see just one sock on just one of the "arms"  But then the star is the villian, I guess.  I'm still going for the jailed one.  Actually, while this is fun, I'm still not going for any of them.  I don't like the idea of this barnstar at all, remember?  Too negative.   Un  sch  ool  05:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you don't like this Barnstar, you obviously employ sock puppets. Is there a checkuser in the audience?  ;-)  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't this a bit negative? Can't we make it more positive? Something like.... errrr... I don't really know but something that doesn't make out that sockpuppets are crimials who need to be put in prison or cuffed. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 11:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what about something that means reporting bock-err-I mean sockpuppets.(Sorry, my brains are asleep today) Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  01:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What, exactly, is positive about unauthorized sock puppets? I think that showing the sock puppet in jail or in chains IS positive- we positively caught that dirty sock, and I'm positive that that was a good thing, and that the guy who caught him made a positive improvement to the encyclopedia by doing so and deserves positive recognition with this positive Barnstar!  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * One might even think you think that this is positive ;D. Anyway, I agree that this barnstar isn't negative, but maybe Gaia Octavia Agrippa is trying to say that sockpuppets should be talked to, and have things explained to them, rather then being chucked in jail. Still, I think this is an okay design, the barnstar is meant to get the picture across, not explain what happened (that's what the message is for) - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know... I was thinking of getting one myself :P There are legitimate sockpuppets too. But coming back to the designs, I think the design by Nutiketaiel (the guy with the really hard to spell name) is best.  C h a m a l  talk 03:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we're just overcomplicating the design. If you look, most if not all barnstars are simple. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  15:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My design seems pretty simple to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Everyone, back to this discussion! Why not anti-sockpuppetry when we have anti-vandalism? Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE  les miserables 00:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Rating Barnstar
As wikipedians, we all know how annoying it is, rating articles. Therefore, I would like to suggest a rating barnstar. The only problem is that I don't have an idea in mind - yet. Any suggestions? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 09:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * To clarify, would this be rewarded to users who do good work reviewing potential GAs and FAs? - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What about people who rate articles with stub/start/B? On every wikiproject, as far as I know, there is an assessment section, where a few dedicated wikipedians regularly assess articles that people ask to be assessed. I myself, have asked for numerous articles to be assessed, and have mostly been happy with the swift and accurate responses. I only make this point because I'm sure there is already an award of some kind for GA/FA assessors. If there's not, please correct me. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 11:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gaia Octavia Agrippa, you're partly right. I don't just mean getting an article into the FA or FL list, or taking them off. IT IS JUST THE RATING. Stub, start, B, C, A, FA, GA, LIST, or FL - it doesn't matter. If you helped me rate the articles in the new WikiProject, Hong Kong Transport, even if most all of those articles are stub, start, or B (it's true), I can still give you the barnstar. However, I want to emphasise that the rating of importance also counts (high, top, low, mid). That's what it means - asseseing the quality AND importance of an article. Thanks. All the best, Kayau' (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 08:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * To this point, many wikiprojects have used Barnstars like the Working Man's Barnstar or others awarded for performing mindless repetitive tasks in situations like this, or just the Barnstar of their project. I agree with the need for a Barnstar for this area, but how would you design it?  I can't think of any designs or images that project a sense of "Article Rating."  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My first thought on this barnstar was that it was unnecessary. I truly feel that there are plenty of others that can cover this need.  But it is a kind of specialization that could use more participants, so I guess it might be a good idea.  Need a cool design before I actually give my thumbs up.  Un  sch  ool  15:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I dreamt up a not-so-nice-and-cool design last night. We could use 'top', 'high', 'mid', 'low', 'FA', 'GA', 'FL', 'B', 'C', 'A', 'Disambig', 'List', 'Stub', 'Start', etc., boxes in the background. As for the foreground, it's the original barnstar as usual. I know it sounds wacky, but it's got to do for now unless we have a better design. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of wikiprojects (the big ones anyway) reward the people who are assessing a lot of their articles with their project barnstars. But when you do it in all areas, I guess you don't get that recognition. I agree with Unschool on the participation thing. I can haz soup nao?  C h a m a l  talk 03:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, I would just like to quickly state that I won't be able to make any barnstars except for the WikiProject Hong Kong Transport barnstar. I'm too busy assessing and tagging (surprise, surprise!) articles within the scope of WikiProject Hong Kong Transport. I still have over a hundred articles to go, and that is NOT EXAGERATING.

How about this. If can work on it if needed. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  16:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Just shows GA logo, which btw is not part of the normal assessment process. GA reviewing and FA reviewing are specialized areas, and have their own awards; Template:The WikiProject Good Articles Medal of Merit & Template:ReviewersAward as well as Template:CRM.  C h a m a l  talk 03:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)



You know the little boxes with 'Project', 'Disambig', 'B', 'Stub', 'Start'. etc. written on it? As I've said, we could use those little boxes for the background, with the orignial bs. on the foreground. If you can't do it, Kingpin probably does. (I can too, but I don't have time.) All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 03:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really am having trouble picturing that image as anything but cluttered. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

There we go. Not completely pleased with it. One idea I had when making it was to get rid of the text, make the green to red gradient show up more, and maybe that would make it look less cluttered? Or if that would make it look empty, I could add symbols/text to the corners. - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The color shading is nice, and it certainly doesn't look cluttered, but it looks like the letters and stuff added inside the star were just added randomly, and are so indistinct as to be nearly imporrible to identify. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we're going at this from the wrong direction. Maybe we should focus less on the wikipedia specific stuff and more on general images of surveying and assaying, like one of those leveling thingamajiggers you see the guys by the side of the road using. What do you guys think? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. I think it's something different but with a connection to what we want to signify. As for the newly proposed image, I don't like it. I don't see a lot to do with assessing at first glance, and the letters are almost impossible to see. The colours also do not tell me anything connected with assessment.  C h a m a l  talk 13:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Reinventing the wheel? (again?)
Take a look at this:
 * This one's for FA and PR work I believe. And this one is for GA reviewing:


 * That's why I'm not very keen on the idea; these are the most important and rigorous reviewing processes, and normal assessment work is not rocket science (but because of the massive amount of articles that need assessing, maybe it is important).  C h a m a l  talk 01:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it just seems like we've got this covered.  Un  sch  ool  01:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you guys are right. Since it is essentially drudge work, maybe we are better off awarding the Working Man's Barnstar instead of creating a new one.  Still, there's nothing wrong with creating one specifically for the non-GA/non-FA article assessment process, so if someone wants to do it, and comes up with a viable idea, I see no harm...  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Warn me next time if I end up reinventing the light bulb as well. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 00:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, it might be all right to have something like this. But that will depend on the design, if somebody does come up with one. Reinventing the light bulb is not always bad, like when you invent a new type like CFL  C h a m a l  talk 01:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait... I think we'd better have a new design for a fluorescent light bulb. I mean, the two awards above seem to overlook little things like start- or list- class articles. Please correct me if I am wrong. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar of Change
This is my proposal for a barnstar awarded to people who make continuous or significant changes in Wikipedia or in the Wikipedia community. Hence the different barnstar image (IE a 'changed' barnstar), now I think there might already be a barnstar that covers that, but I thought I throw it out and hear what ya' think.

Tripodero 13:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * But we all make changes in Wikipedia. What exactly do you mean? Can you please clarify what kind of changes we are talking about?  C h a m a l  talk 14:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course, it is mostly based on personal opinion. Say if one wants to recognize another for general contributions that they believe made a difference, if at least to them, then it would be a nice and simple way of recognizing them for it. I don't think a Wikipedia Barnstar necessarily has to be something that's difficult to obtain, but instead something that is given in recognition of good editing no matter how big or how small just along as it is appreciated. Tripodero 14:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If we take it that way, every Wikipedia award is for doing something to improve (to change) Wikipedia. It may be anti-vandalism, writing featured articles, gnoming, copy-editing or whatever, they are changes that improve it. And we've got awards for each of those separately as well, or if we need something more general, there are awards like The Working Man's Barnstar, The Tireless Contributor Barnstar etc. I'm not very enthusiastic about this idea, but let's see what others think.  C h a m a l  talk 15:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got to agree with Chamel. We already have barnstars for the, as Chamel listed above. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  15:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC) Ok, I agree. It not's a total waste though now there is a new barn star image Tripodero 17:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh? Why do you keep changing the time? And you seem to have an instrest here, so why don't you join if you haven't already? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  17:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The first time I put the wrong hour down. The second I was copying the date stamp on to another page and accidentally change the time on the wrong one. I could join, but I'm not sure how active I'd be. Tripodero 17:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, you have contribuited more that twice, so I guess you're okay. :) Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  17:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you could change the purpose of this barnstar to WikiProject Strings (if there is one.) Otherwise, you could make it a personal user award. It is difficult to see that it's the barnstar of change by just looking at it, and new users won't even know what the original barnstar looks like. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 03:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strings? Are there strings on this image?  All I see is a dark pentagram within a circle.  Un  sch  ool  19:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - what an idiot I am to think that the circle is made of strings! All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikiproject Strings???  C h a m a l  talk 05:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's Task Force Strings, under Wikiproject Physics. Also, these Wikipedia String Guidelines.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean strings, not the 11-dimensional string theory or chordophones (technical word for string instruments.) All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. I was wondering why the Barnstar didn't have dimensions beyond my ability to conceptualize, or make music.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Our Wikiproject award
Are we ever going to use it? This is just a wake up call, as everyone seems to have forgotten about it. It has never been awarded, and the user who it has been awarded to it was awarded as a completely different award. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  18:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I checked, and Abce's correct, it has either never been awarded, or if it has, the recipient has deleted it from their user space. Anyway, I think that this just demonstrates that we've got things covered pretty well, and don't need to go looking for new Barnstars.  Hey, I actually got a barnstar from Eustress for my work here, but a different one—quite appropriate in my opinion—was selected.  Hell, I'd favor deleting this barnstar altogether, as superfluous.  And I think this shows that new barnstars are best created when someone discovers a gaping hole in our list of awards.  Un  sch  ool  01:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think this barnstar could be of much use, especially since we have got the barnstar barnstar and the barnstar creator's barnstar. But it served us well as an example on the project page! All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Am I worthy for a Barnstar?
Check my page if I am. --Mr. Unknown (talk) 00:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, we don't give barnstars, we make em'. And any user can give you one, though if you ask you probaly won't get one. Abce2 |  Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!(Sign here)  00:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait a sec. There's an idea, a pity barnstar! :P I like it. --Tripodero 21:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, hey, hey, hey-now. Don't be mean; we don't have to be mean. BB


 * You're right, I'm sorry. Hey, what about an apology or bury the hatchet barnstar? User:Tripodero

I don't think we need an apology barnstar, and isn't the bury the hatchet going to be extremly similar to the dispute resolvers barnstar? Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  13:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they were kidding. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I know they were just kidding around, but a pitying personal user award wouldn't go amiss. You know how much I need it? Here's my luck in wikipedia: All I get in response to my contributions at a certain article about a Jack London novel was an overlinked tag... I found a hidden link for nothing... My adoptee hasn't talked to me since the time I tried really hard to teach him how to use inline citations... I cause trouble wherever I go... The only time when my opinion was agreed was at a certain series of books about science... Half of my articles were deleted... WikiProject Hong Kong Transport is always lacking members who do the real work (the others all focus on something)... And I've never gotten any Wikipedia awards! What do you think? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Kayau, I edited for well over two years before I received my first barnstar; I had pretty much concluded by then that Barnstars were only given and received by a "inside" group of editors, and I just accepted that I would never get one. Well, I was wrong; about the time I gave up on it, I got my first one!  You have been a serious contributor for only about four months.  Don't get discouraged, just hang in there.   Un  sch  ool  03:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I take back that paragraph - I am not really discouraged, just kidding around like everyone does. :) Don't take that too seriously. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 00:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, where have you been looking at, my contribs or count? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 00:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What I think is you shouldn't edit targeting for an award. Just edit normally and you'll get them when you least expect it. BTW, about WikiProject Hong Kong Transport; you think you've had it bad? I'm trying to keep Wikiproject Sri Lanka running with 4 editors. How's that for a country Wikiproject? :D  C h a m a l  talk 04:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL - yes, 4 editors, you have. But only two editors do most of the work - me and another editor. One of them is a newcomer who hasn't done any work yet. Another is working only on Cathay Pacific. Anyway, I told you I was kidding around, so there's no need telling me all that. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 07:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I do sort of pity your WikiProject. :) All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 07:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

For once, I'm not the reinventor...
We do have these wonderful awards. Isn't that quite similar to a pitying award? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh? Aren't those for how long you've been servicing Wikipedia? Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  10:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "How long you've been servicing Wikipedia..." Wow.  Maybe I've been reading too much "Least I Could Do" lately or something; I need to get my mind out of the gutter.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't think of another way to say it without me rambaling on.Abce2 (talk) 11:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, since we have already got awards you may give yourself, what's the use of a piying barnstar? Newcomers cannot be pitied because they have done little. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 00:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. Why does Abce2's signature keep changing? I remember he has left wikipedia for a while for personal reasons.


 * You know actually in the US Army a solider gets one ribbon just for signing up. Shouldn't there be like an initially enlisted barnstar?  Come to think of it I didn't even know about barnstars until I got one, maybe each noobie should get one and that way more Wikipedians would know about them, then maybe they would give them out more often? A noobie barnstar! :P  We could make it a parody of starry night calling it, "starless" night with a captain reminding people not to forgot to give out and receive barnstars.Tripodero 08:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A barnstar just for signing up is a bad idea. Barnstars are given for hard work, and shouldn't be overused. If a new comer does very well, then the exceptional newcomer award is appropriate. And it's not that hard to find out about barnstars, most users have them on their userpages, in fact, most newcomers seem to know about awards after a few hundred edits. Besides which, giving them an award isn't the correct way of letting them know about awards. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Shot down, once again :P - Tripodero
 * Ha ha, apologies. I just don't think this is the best of ideas. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We sure do get creative ideas... I don't think the signing up thing will work Tripodero. Look at it this way: a soldier gets a Purple Heart for getting shot, so imagine trying to implement that in Wikipedia; "Barnstar for being the subject of a personal attack" ? ≈ Chamal  talk 06:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's been done, there is a Purple Heart Barnstar. And my sig seems to get involved in alot of disscusions lately.:) Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  04:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess that's there because it's a personal user award and we're lax on them. I doubt it would be a barnstar for long should it become one; "Annoy new users and get this award!" or "user Huggle and get this award" :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Voila:

The First Barnstar
I don't know if my award will be accepted... If it not, sorry for wasting your time.  pedro  joão  20:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Seems a bit silly to award a barnstar to wikipedians, just because they joined Wikipedia! Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. Awards have a certain reason they exist: They are to award, to congratulate someone on a job well done. Giving them out for free diminishes the value of all other awards in the worst case. Regards  So Why  21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose per previous reasons, but your heart was in the right place.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 01:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

A nice thought, but it would take away some, if not all, of the excitement that many editors feel when they get their first earned Barnstar. Un sch  ool  22:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - This kind of award waters down the Barnstar concept. It makes them less meaningful when they are received for something legitimate.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect We already have service awards for tenure and contributions, starting at Service awards, does that meet the need you identified?  Were Spiel  Chequers  12:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Supportgood idea. Hereford 20:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

So we're bringin' up an old discussion? Au revoir. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 07:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with these users above. Things haven't changed since then. I don't know why we're bring this up. Per my reasoning before, Barnstars are for doing something well, welcome messages are for making users feel welcome to Wikipedia, not barnstars. Also, WereSpielChequers brought up a good point about the service awards. I wouldn't object to a user letting a newb know about them - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose - Not this again. The very concept of a barnstar just for the sake of a barnstar waters down the very concept of barnstars.  Leading scientists have proven (and 9 out of 10 dentists agree) that, if this barnstar is accepted, all other barnstars will be valued 28.462% less than they are currently, with a 43.667% depreciation in value for personal user awards.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - per said above. Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  02:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - oui, I agree with the two above. Wait a sec - there aren't any agrees, are there? Maybe the discussion should end here. Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE  les miserables 10:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC) (New signature to catch up with Abce2's pace.)
 * NO. Un  sch  ool  21:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an old proposal already rejected, and we are voting to re-reject it? There's no current attempt to introduce a barnstar for signing up; Tripodero made a sort of a half hearted suggestion but nothing serious I think. Kayau, maybe it would be best to link to an old discussion in the archives instead of copying & pasting the whole thing here in the future. As you can see, it can create some confusion and there is also a bit of a problem with using other's comments for something without them knowing... It might look like they have taken part in a discussion when they actually haven't, and if it results in something nasty they won't be exactly pleased about it, you see what I mean? I'm not warning or anything and there's no rule about it, but just to be on the safe side. ≈  Chamal  talk 13:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Chamal. There is no point rerejecting something old (which is why I copy-pasted all that stuff.) I see no need in continuing this discussion. Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE  les miserables 00:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I also agree with Chamal, in that it would have been better to link to the old discussion. I didn't realize you had reposted it, Kayau, I thought someone had brought up that shitty old barnstar idea yet again.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But we are agreeing different parts of what Chamal says. Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  09:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree with both parts. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thou shalt not swear...  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a swear? I don't remember taking any oaths...  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Creation...
How does one create a barnstar? --Christiansocialism (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, you should check if a barnstar already exists for this purpose and if not, present your idea here. Input here will help you decide whether you should go ahead and create the barnstar in question. Regards  So Why  09:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Christiansocialism (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to add a little, use whatever software you have to make it. Both the commons and wikipedia will be fine places for uploading them. Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE  les miserables 10:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

New suggestions - do tell me if I'm reinventing the internet
* The Anti-Edit Warring Barnstar But please don't attempt to make any of them yet - until it's sure that I'm not reinventing Wikipedia. (But then of course, I'm not as clever as Jimmy Wales - far from it! On second thoughts, make it reinventing the school, haha! No Unschool, try not to consider this an insult - it's only a joke!) Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE  les miserables 00:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Userbox Barnstar
 * The Recent Changes Patrol Barnstar
 * Gratitude Barnstar


 * While I would advocate a newbie-welcoming barnstar, I think it's way to similar to one before mention and already discussed above. Tripodero 17JUL09 9:43 UTC
 * Sorry, I must have typed wrongly. I thought I typed the Gratitude Barnstar, for people who give out barnstars.  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  09:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the Barnstar of Peace would adequately cover the Anti-Edit Warring arena, and there are many ways of expressing gratitude, including specific barnstars depending on what the person did that you were thankful for, so I don't think we need a generic "gratitude" barnstar. I don't think we have an RCP Barnstar; theoretically, such a person could be awarded the antivandalism star, but a specific barnstar for recent change patrolling wouldn't be bad. I fully support the idea for a userbox barnstar, provided that it is awarded for creating the things, not just using them prolifically. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Arr... ready on the guns
 * We have Template:Barnstarofpeace & Template:The Newyorkbrad Dispute Resolution Barnstar regarding edit warring and content disputes, in addition to several others that also include 'peaceful resolving of disputes' as their awarding reasons.
 * We already have a userbox barnstar (Template:User Barnstar), which is apparently the 'official award' of WikiProject Userboxes, but someone has placed it in WP:PUA for some reason.
 * RCP is pretty much anti vandalism, and we have Template:The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar and Template:CVU Anti-Vandalism Award for that. I'm not sure if there'd be much difference between those and and RCP barnstar, but I'm not exactly opposing this. Spam and copyright violations are the other two main aspects of RCP, but people don't specifically look for them, they look for vandalism.
 * As for the gratitude barnstar... agree with Nutiketaiel on that.
 * So IMO 1 & 4 are not needed, 3 may be ok. We could change 2 or whatever, if we really want. ≈ Chamal  talk 12:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Chamal, you're firing at nothingness - I told you they were just suggestions.  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We should be shooting at suggestions... we can't shoot them once they are here :P ≈ Chamal  talk 04:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can too!  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And come your sig changes colour?  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sig automatically changes colour. The 'Chamal' part changes day by day, and the 'talk' part changes on the number of pages in Wikipedia. ≈ Chamal  talk +Under house arrest!+ 09:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We also have Template:The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar for the copyvio aspect of RCP as well as Template:Anti-Spam Barnstar Template:The New Page Patroller's Barnstar, so RCP should be pretty much covered. As for the gratitude one, I'd advise against a barnstar for this. We got plenty WikiLove templates for this, which is what they are created for. If you want to say thanks, you use {{subst:cookie}} or {{subst:smile}} - if you want to express gratitude for doing something, we have a barnstar for almost anything anyway. Regards  So Why  14:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the RCP BS, some people may also undo edits by people unfamiliar to Wikipedia -- unencyclopedic content, unverifiable source, etc.  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Two more suggestions: I think the first is likely to be rejected.  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  04:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Newbie Welcoming Award (for putting welcome templates at newbies' talk pages)
 * The Good Founder Award (Lots of people give Jimbo awards for simply being Jimbo, including the odd football barnstar. With this award, anyone can give Jimbo barnstars without any irrelevance)
 * I like the newbie welcoming award. Not very keen on the other one though; an award specially for Jimbo?? Why would we need an award that would be presented to just one or very few person(s)? Anyway, the guns are down for another 5 days and I probably won't be coming here until then. ≈ Chamal  talk +Under house arrest!+ 09:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

A few more: Of course, I'm sure there would be a history, maths, and wikify barnstar, but I've never seen any, so it's just to make sure we have 'em.  Kayau |Jane Eyre|  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE |  les miserables  10:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Business & Management
 * Medieval
 * School Education
 * History
 * Pythagorean (maths, not ancient Greek)
 * Renaissance
 * Surrealist
 * Wikify
 * Romantist
 * Botany
 * Meteorology
 * Assuming we don't already have some, I have no problem with someone creating any of the Barnstars in that list. I also don't have a problem with a barnstar for users who welcome new users, assuming that the welcoming committee doesn't already have one.  However, I would like to express the strongest possible opposition to an award just for Wales.  There is absolutely nothing good about that idea at all.  Not even a little.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait till Jimbo Wales hears that! :) Changed school to education because school is too narrow.  Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE   les miserables  02:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really could care less what Wales hears or doesn't hear. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I've crossed out a few I don't like. This is the new list for consideration: Please keep shooting so that I will be able to shortlist the best ones to make.  Kayau  Jane Eyre  PRIDE AND PREJUDICE   les miserables  11:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * RCP
 * Newbie welcoming
 * Medieval
 * Renaissance
 * Meteorology
 * Education (just the thing for unschool)
 * Botany
 * Romantist
 * Surrealist
 * Wikify
 * Pythagorean

All declined per Unschool, although I still feel strange for not having a Maths barnstar.  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  06:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)