Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 14

Is There...
Is there a "Thanks for the Barnstar Barnstar" or something along the lines of that? Thanks, Belugaboy535136  contribs 12:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. There are some barnstars that reward general wiki-kindness like the The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar for long-term paterns of kindness.  Personally, though, I would advise against giving someone a barnstar just because they gave you one; I think it dilutes the value of the Barnstars.  Instead, try thanking them with another expression of kindness, like a wikicookie.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nutiketaiel.  Kayau  Don't be too CNN  I'LL DO MY JOB   uprising! uprising! 03:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Belugaboy535136  contribs 13:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

MuZemike
Before I created my account, I had observed the actions of administrators. After my years of observation, I believe User:MuZemike deserves one for his hard work. WikiDude1776 (talk) 18:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Uhh...you don't need approval to give him one. You are allowed to yourself. Go ahead. Or do you want some sort of consensus? Well, consider this a support !vote from me, I agree, Lord Spongefrog,   (I am Czar of all Russias!)  18:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just do it yourself.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Computer Science Barnstar?
Barnstar for outstanding work in articles related to computers, computer programming, and computer science. I already have a prototype barnstar I made in PhotoShop. It's an asterisk, which is important in many computer programming languages. I thought it was clever. =D

Do you think it should be added? I see barnstars for most other categories.

PS: I don't think we should have a barnstar for every popular religion on this planet; just a barnstar for religion. The religion barnstars really clutter up the list.  Uber-Awesomeness  talk  18:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Please upload the barnstar and put it here for discussion. If it's nothing but an asterisk, then perhaps it's a bit too simple. Please consider adding a bit more so it loks more like a barnstar. Thanks,  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe The Technology Barnstar may already cover this area. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly, Kingpin13. Richard  22;14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay... =(  PS:  Notice the name change.  I usurped!    Awesomeness   talk  22:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Math barnstar?
A Small inverted retro-snub icosicosidodecahedron with a pi in the middle?TemariHyuga (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

First of all, can you make it and show us it, then tell us what it is for.  Richard  22:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's the other way round; tell us what it's for, then make it. (Or both at the same time. But certainly not making first.)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was in the wrong. My apologies. Richard  22:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Rugby
I didn't know we were meant to discuss creation of barn stars first sorry but I created Rugby barnstar. I hope I didn't step on any toes here Gnevin (talk) 17:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a good idea, but there's already the 'Running Man Barnstar' for sport-related articles. Don't stop thinking of new ideas though! Cheers,  Richard  21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We've a soccer one Football (soccer) star so why not Rugby ? Gnevin (talk) 22:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think football is a bit more imporatnt than rugby... and besides rugby is a little, well, you know what I mean.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what your talking about Gnevin (talk) 15:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Football is played worldwide and rugby is just played in a few countries.  Richard  18:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, if we have a football and a rugby one, people will think of every sport known to man, then it will just get messed up. I say we just keep it simple and just have the Running man Barnstar and the Football Barnstar.  Richard  19:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Rugby is played worldwide and is soon to be an Olympic sport basically what I'm hearing is I like football so its OK to be the exception. If you want to limit barn stars like this don't be hypocrites in the process, you can't have your cake and eat it Gnevin (talk) 09:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

ps Template:CubsBarnstar,Template:Motorsport Barnstar,Template:The BoSox Barnstar,Template:The Rugby League Barnstar and Template:The Olympics Barnstar are these also exceptions. And football has tournament based barnstars! Template:Euro 2008 Barnstar ? Gnevin (talk) 09:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, never heard of some of them, and you just mentioned, Rugby League Barnstar, so I guess that could cover it.  Richard  18:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the Rugby league Barnstar could cover union also ?Gnevin (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Rugby was an Olympic sport for a year, then was abandonned because it was too violent.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It was an Olympic sport for several years. It was abandoned because the crowds where too violent and the lack of teams, it will be included from 2016 in it's Rugby 7's form. Stop making statement about what you think you know and look up the relevant articles and what has this got to do with barnstars? Gnevin (talk) 09:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's irrelevent... but I'm just doubting if it'll ever become one again. And hey, if the crowds are too violent then the game itself is violent. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, you might want to look at this.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you aren't going to read the links I provide I don't see the point in discussing this. Anyway the template is created and unless you are suggesting deleting all the sports templates listed above I don't see the point in continuing this discussion Gnevin (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, have your way.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest we change the 'Rugby League Barnstar' into just the 'Rugby Barnstar', so that way everone's happy, okay? Richard  9:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No the League barnstar looks crap and they are two separate sports so I don't see why 2 separate sports would should have 1 barnstar Gnevin (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well having one for Union and one for League is a little too defined. We'll just have them together as 'Rugby' for Union and League. Richard  22:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not more defined than having one just for the Red Soxs or Family Guy Gnevin (talk) 00:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the Red Sox hasn't been put up for discussion as far as I'm concerned. If it had of been, I really doubt it would of been allowed to be one. The Family Guy one is okay, I guess. Richard  22:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Family guy had achieved consensus before it was made into a bs.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Consensus here appear entirely random, no guidelines for new BS just i don't like it Gnevin (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean 'random'? I didn't say I didn't like it. I said have it as Rugby Barnstar, for Union and League. You don't see a seperate International Football one, a 7-a-side football one, a 5-a-side football one...etc. So why must Rugby be the exception?  Richard  (Talk)   (Contribs)  23:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Because 7 a side etc are minor variants of soccer they have the majority of same rules as the 11 a side game some are even administered by FIFA. League and Union are two separate sports, just like American football and Canadian football. The IRB administer Union while the RLIF administer league . They are different sports!  Gnevin (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Chill, take it easy, please. No use discussing about the way we work here. Why don't we just stick to the topic?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I have no need to chill, I raised the issue of the way you work here because it is entirely arbitrary.
 * 1) First it was suggest we have the running man and so it wasn't needed.
 * 2) When I pointed out the soccer one it it was suggested Wiki heart soccer so that is an exception
 * 3) When I pointed out half a dozen exceptions. We got into a pointless discussion about the History of Rugby Union at the Olympics
 * 4) It has now been it suggested that Rugby Union and League should be merged when we are ready had half a dozen BS for  minor topics such as Red soxs fan and Euro 2008 but a major world sport can't have a BS

Why don't the two of you write up some inclusion guidelines and accept the fact that the Rugby Union BS is fine based on the current BS that have been approved including but not limited to the League BS, Euro 2008 BS .... Gnevin (talk) 09:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not the two of us. The WPWPA has been working like this since the beginning of time. But usually we are friendly, humorous and casual here - there has never been any such heated discussion before, I must say. In the past, one editor keeps everything going smoothly, but he's suddenly left Wikipedia and he isn't going to be back for another few months. I went on a Wikibreak, and a few other regular editors starting editing less and less often. When I came back the place was a mess. What we need here is to resume the WPWPA as it used to be. Discussion, not argument.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine then, draft up some guidelines and maybe propose a resetting of BS but as it stands the RU star is here and meets the current standards so why don't you just support it's addition Gnevin (talk) 11:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Gnevin, working with guidelines isn't how the regulars here want to work. We work with a case-by-case basis, where each barnstar is discussed individually. If you feel that a certain barnstar shouldn't be included, create a new section on this page about it. Just because you think the rugby barnstar is more important than some others, doesn't mean it meets the current guidelines. To meet the current guidelines it needs to be supported by the community. I don't see the problem with merging the current sub-rugby barnstar and your proposal into one. You're only complaint is the image, and that other stuff exists. The image can be easily changed. I say we merge them, and then work on the graphics until you're happy with it. - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Gnevin, working with guidelines isn't how the regulars here want to work doesn't mean it meets the current guidelines so are there guidelines or not? The problem is that Union and League are separate sports not sub types of Rugby football. Why not just merge union,league and soccer in a generic Football BS, or back in the running man BS? The trouble with the current system (and I used that word very loosely) is that the editors here aren't using the same criteria for each sport. Soccer has 2 BS but 2 individual codes of Rugby should share 1?  League which has less of a geographic spread than Union was approved but Union can't be, you lot are making it up as you go along and that is a nonsense way to work. Gnevin (talk) 12:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that our current guidelines are that we work on a case-by-case basis with no steadfast rules. Nobody else here has a problem with that. Soccer is a much larger sport then rugby. But if that's your problem, then I think your proposed solution above of just merging all of the football sports (e.g. Soccer, American football, Rugby league, Rugby union etc.) into one barnstar is a good one. That way none of them are getting more attention then others, would that suit everyone? - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Add what about cricket and baseball and it's sub-BS. It's not like we are running out of space, let major sports have there own BS . What harm does it do ? Why not merge chemistry, biology,physics into one? All the religious into one?   Gnevin (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, looks like things have gotten a little out of hand here. OK, Kayau and Richard, I see your point about not wanting to have barnstars that are too specific, but that has traditionally only been applied to the barnstars that appear on the Barnstars page itself. Notice that the Running Man Barnstar, which is for general sports, is the only sports related topical barnstar to appear on that page. Most of the individual sports related barnstars cited above, including Rugby League and Football (Soccer), are actually listed on the Awards by WikiProject page. There are a few others on the Personal user awards page (hell, two of the Barnstars I created, the Legion of Super-Heroes Barnstar and the Heron Marked Barnstar, I placed on the PUA page myself because they were way too specific to be on the main page, and not associated with any particular wikiproject). Some of those barnstars don't seem to appear on any of our lists besides the category itself, which is something we should probably work on... but I digress. It's never really been our primary role to tell people not to make certain Barnstars, though sometimes we try to convince them not to if it seems to us that the barnstar is redundant or that it runs counter to Wikipedia's policy or spirit, or the spirit of the Barnstars. We are primarily here to assist people with making and awarding the stars, and to determine through consensus what barnstars should be listed on the main barnstar page, which traditionally has relatively few topic-specific barnstars in order to keep it from being too cluttered and provide a good quick utility. Thus, we have the Running Man Barnstar instead of myriad different sport specific Barnstars. Gnevin, I have no problem with you creating the Rugby Union Barnstar; I think it looks pretty good, actually. My advice to you is to add it to the personal user awards page for now. Then, head over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union and let them know that you created the Barnstar and ask if they'd like to use it for their Wikiproject. If they accept (which I am sure they will because it looks so nice and they don't already have one), or at least don't oppose the idea, add it to the Awards by WikiProject page beside the Rugby League Barnstar. This way, not only is the barnstar listed with the others, on the page it belongs on, but the Wikiproject members know about it and know to start using it (they'll probably want to add it to their Wikiproject page as well). Does that work for everybody? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nutiketaiel,WP:RU are already aware of this BS. Gnevin (talk) 12:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. I checked their Wikiproject page and skimmed their talk page and didn't see it, so I assumed they were not.  Sorry.  If the barnstar is already in use by a Wikiproject, then it belongs on the Awards by WikiProject page.  Go ahead and add it there (or I can, if you would rather).  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can add it that would be great, thanksGnevin (talk) 14:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Did you create the Barnstar?  If not, who did?  When was it created?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Added, with shared credit between yourself and user:Rannpháirtí anaithnid, who appears to have created the image. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Gnevin (talk) 15:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Integrity Barnstar
I'd like to add an Integrity Barnstar, "For perseverance in the face of adversity, and steadfast candor." I think its needed for those who respond to flame attacks or ideological editor abuse with patience and goodwill. The barnstar is reduced froma photo I took of a Pennsylvania Dutch hex symbol--on a real barn--which shows stylized oak leaves (symbol of strength) and some oak leaves sprouting from acorns (which of course denotes patience). If Integrity is too vague we could call it the Fortitude Barnstar. Comments? ElijahBosley (talk) 17:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm, this one's too big, too odd, and too unnecessary, I think.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kayau for your views. I can fix the too big part, and hope I have--its now down to about 117 pixels by 110, which seems to be standard size (I note that by replacing the image on Wikicommons the original too big one went away on this page too, so I wanted to say Kayau was right: the image Kayau was responding to was about twice the size of the one you see now).  As to odd and unnecessary I'll wait for consensus. Might belong in the "other awards" category, or nowhere at all--I'll wait and see.ElijahBosley (talk) 13:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

(smaller one:)

The image is certainly nice, but I think the Barnstar's purpose is redundant. We have The Resilient Barnstar for "any editor who learns and improves from criticisms, never lets mistakes or blunders impede their growth as Wikipedians, or has the ability to recover/finish with a smile," The Barnstar of Good Humor for "particularly light-spirited Wikipedians who, by their unshakably good humor, consistently and reliably lighten the mood, defuse conflicts, and make the Wikipedia a generally better place to be," The Barnstar of Diplomacy for "users who have helped to resolve, peacefully, conflicts on Wikipedia," The Barnstar of Integrity for "editors who have shown to be a person of integrity and honor" and, most directly, The Anti-Flame Barnstar for "users that have kept cool in conflicts, as well as resolving them." Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Nutiketaiel for your informed and informative response. Well, that's two votes for "unnecessary."  So I guess Fortitude gets no barnstar.  Alone, unknown, braving adversity without so much as the solace of recognition, Fortitude faces the howling winds.  *Sigh*  --isn't that always the case.  I'll leave this nice hex sign here in case somebody else thinks of a  good use for it.ElijahBosley (talk) 13:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can always use it for a PUA.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The Bold Barnstar & The 1st Place Barnstar
I have taken the liberty of removing "The Bold Barnstar" and "The 1st Place Barnstar" from the WP:Barnstars page. There were no actual Barnstar images associated with these stars, despite the fact that the entries said they were created over 2 weeks ago. Additionally, the 1st Place barnstar's description seemed to run a little counter to our purpose. A Barnstar because you have alot of Barnstars? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed, good edit, though I would like to hear from the poster of them. Maybe there could be a warning notice put on defective barnstars.   Honestly, a "lots of barnstars" award seems to me like an open invitation to meat puppet abuse .ElijahBosley (talk) 13:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Nutiketaiel, I was sharing my views on these weeks ago on the 'Barnstars without consensus' section. Yet no-one seemed to listen. And there was images before, I don't know where they have gone. Cheers, Richard  Talk   Contribs  17:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, that's a good edit.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

New Barnstars Without Consensus!
I have noticed that there are new barnstars, without a discussion about it. We cannot have people putting down new Barnstars willy-nilly. So I'm volunteering to patrol the Barnstar page and delete Barnstars that have not had a consensus at all. Also, I will put down a warning that any Barnstars not put forward on the Disscussion Board will be deleted. I would like people's help, Cheers  Richard  22:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's unecessary. As long as we check WP:* every now and then, we'll be able to eradicate all bad stars.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse 03:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

There is a PRC Barnstar, for articles related to the People's Republic of China. It hasn't been discussed and you can't have a barnstar for just one country. I think it should belong in the Country Awards (unless there already one there). Cheers, :: Richard  10:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC) There is a 'Bold barnstar' and a '1st place barnstar' been created today, 14th February. P.S. I am waiting for people's thoughts on deleting and keeping all these by the way! Cheers,  Richard  21:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I support the PRC. There is one for China, but that would be for articles starting from Yuanmou Man to Chinese Civil War. The ones after Chinese Civil War would belong to the PRC category.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * How about the 'Bold Barnstar' for being bold, and the '1st Place Barnstar' for being Wikipedian of the day or month. I do not like either, for being bold? And someone gets a barnstar for being wikipedian of the day is just nonsense.  Richard  18:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the PRC Barnstar be moved into the Country Awards?  Richard  11:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (shrug) it isn't about the entire country, and it doesn't look like the other barnstars, but...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hang on a sec, it already exists:


 * (indent) Now I'm confused. Why is the WP:* version different from the template?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My guess is that the barnstar above was the original on the WikiProject, and Ohconfucius made the Barnstar into the one on WP:*, but didn't change the template. I suggest we either change the one on WP:* into the one on the template, or vice-versa.  Richard  9:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll contact Ohconfucius.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I didn't know consensus was required for creation of Barnstars. I was under the assumption things would be done her like everything else here on WP - that is WP:BOLD. I happen to think it's a worthy barnstar: there was an unfilled niche. There seem to be Barnstars for most things under the sun, including Jainism, Motto of the Day, recent changes, and I did not find a Barnstar for one of the most populist countries in the world, so I decided to address it. I apologise for putting it in the wrong place - I didn't realise there was a sub-page. [I just checked there, and there is no barnstar] As for why they look different, I don't know. It seems like they are linked to the same image file, but one changed after I loaded another file while the other didn't. Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 15:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Both look nice. We should discuss on which one looks better. The one with the map has my vote support.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you add Taiwan, that is.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the map one was my second attempt because I wasn't satisfied with the effect of the first. Anyway, Taiwan isn't part of the PRC the last time I looked! ;-) [ sarcasm ] Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 14:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Tag or text?
Regarding WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Participants - there is a tag on top of the list of participants that urges users to add their names to the bottom of the list. However, Richard added his name to the top of the list. Tags are not very visible, so I propose change the tag into prose to avoid users adding their names to the top again. Any objections?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever works. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I never saw a tag. If I did, I would on put it at the bottom, my apologies. And 'text' would be much easier. Oh I'm at the bottom now :( Richard  Frederick   Owen  21:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is quite a popular project, so I bet you won't be in the bottom soon.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Flora barnstar
for articles related to flora. The design would be a yellow barnstar as the petals and have a stem and leaf out the bottom. Richard  12:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC).


 * Shouldn't {{subst:Bio-star}} be awarded for Flora related articles? Regards  So Why  13:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The bio-star is for all sorts of life, animals, plants and bacteria; but the flora barnstar is for plants in particular, like the fauna barnstar is for animals in particular. Thinking of that, we could have one for bateria and other single-celled organisms as well. Richard  13:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC).


 * Why don't you explain why it must be useful first, then actually make the barnstar so we can see it?  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse 14:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

well, loads of people study and like plants, so they will put stuff that they know down thats not there, this is a barnstar to say well done! I don't design the barnstars but I explained my idea in my first comment. Richard  14:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC).

Here is my barnstar, I changed it to a red-pink colour, Richard  20:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC).

I rather like this one. It's a very pretty Barnstar with a nice design, and I have no problem for one specific to Botany articles. A question- the shape of the image looks a little different than the other Barnstars. Will it fit into the template properly? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes. So, can I add it? Richard  18:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Well, I think it's good, but it needs a consensus first. Give some more time for discussion.  If everybody agrees (or if nobody objects after a reasonable period of time), you can add it.  I would suggest you take a little more time to try to address Kayau and SoWhy's concerns about why this is necessary vis-à-vis the existing Bio Barnstar.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit 1 for Flora Barnstar  Kayau  Don't be too CNN  I'LL DO MY JOB   uprising! uprising! 08:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * They look the same to me; what's different about edit 1? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Both edits look very jaggy. You should ask WP:GL/I to have a lookGnevin (talk) 15:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I tried to improve in edit 1 except I forgot to save...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I think its a good idea though "Botanical Barnstar" sounds better and more general to me than "Floral." After all, there may be articles on herbs or trees or mushrooms that deserve recognition. Also on that design one leaf seems to have been eaten away by bugs. Perhaps you might repair the leaf so it is shining symbol of good gardening.ElijahBosley (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea, Elijah. Kayau, why don't you show us your edit again and call it Botanical Barnstar? And remember to save this time! Richard  21:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I almost forgot, can someone actually make a proper template? Because I just copied the Original Barnstar template and changed the picture and name, cheers, Richard  21:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure which images you want for the template. But you can follow the instructions at my help page (create the award template section). Or let me know what image and name you want and I'll create it for you. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Kingpin13, I would very like you to make it for me. I am going to wait and see Kayau's edit and we'll choose which is best. The name will be 'Botanical Barnstar'. Richard  22:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, school's resumed from the Chinese New Year holiday and I have no more time for editing pics. Maybe I should leave it to Kingpin - he's the expert at this stuff.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay dokey, well I'll go ahead and make the template then (we can always change the image), but first I need you to release the File:Flora Barnstar.png under a proper license. Did you copy any of it from anywhere? Also, you may want to make the background transparent, if you need help doing this, I can :). Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I copy and pasted a barnstar from Wikipedia, and used a picture from a rose for the stalk and leaves. Do I have to change it to Flora Barnstar.svg to make the background transparent? Richard  Talk  Contribs  16:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, PNG can handle transparency. Where did you get the rose image from? - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Google. I copy and pasted it on to Paint and took off the petals and added the barnstar which I recoloured pink. The reason why it isn't transparent is because the rose image didn't have a transparent background. Richard  Talk   Contribs  20:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it's not copyrighted? (I'm not doubting you. Just wondering.)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know actually. I'll try and find out and get back to you. P.S. I'm only 13, so I'm not so experienced with copyright and others in that area. Cheers, Richard  Talk   Contribs  17:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignorantia juris non excusat. I'm afraid I've had to tag this for deletion, unless you can get license information on it within seven days it will be deleted. There's a notice on your talk page about this. However, I like the design, I suggest you find an image which is licensed under GFDL/CC/PD and use the same design. It's possible to make it transparent even if the original image isn't. What editing software are you using? If you don't have one which supports transparency, you can download one for free (e.g. Paint.NET, GIMP) or I'll be happy to make any images transparent for you. Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're only 13 Richard? That's nothing. I'm only 12 and created the account when I was 7.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I bet you can find a free rose from the commons. Replace the google one with a free commons one.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's okay, just delete it thanks. It doesn't look so good anyway. Perhaps if you, Kingpin13, or someone else wants to create it and a template, that would be good. Richard  Frederick   Owen  21:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks great, I'd encourage you to have another shot with a different image. Or I may have a go at the same thing, - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

To anonymous users
Can we give barnstars to anonymous users? -- Extra999 Contact me 07:57 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * there is no rule to say that you can't, though obviously they wouldn't have a userpage to display it on.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They have talk page, we can give there. -- Extra999 Contact me 16:50 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why I said there is no rule saying you can't.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I give IPs barnstars from time to time. –xenotalk 14:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason not to. There are several IPs that remove plenty of vandalism and report them to WP:AIV.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 14:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree, and by the way I think NerdyScienceDude's new sig is too catchy.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * True but I think any sig that uses "lime" or "#0F0" as a color is too catchy. Regards  So Why  14:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I've switched back to navy, which I used last July :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Schools Barnstar
Why isn't this barnstar on the main barnstar page? There are a lot of school articles. This barnstar should be there. Also, why is the school image superimposed over the emo barnstar?  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 17:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't got a problem with it there. My internet connection's been down, that's why I've been gone for a while. Richard  Frederick   Owen  18:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So it can go on the main barnstar page. I'm still wondering why the school is superimposed over the emo barnstar.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 21:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's popular enough - see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:School Barnstar.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The category of schools seems broad and important enough to me to warrant inclusion on the main Barnstar page. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To Kayau, that page can't show popularity because barnstars, including the schools one, are substituted.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 12:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, click on the image itself and scroll all the way down to see how many pages carry the image. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you count it on the image page, then there are only 23 users awarded this BS. Still isn't as popular as it's cracked up to be.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

How is this award BS? I have awarded this award to one of the 23 users listed on that page. And there was nothing on the main barnstar page that covered schools. I was actually surprised to not see that barnstar on the main barnstar page.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 02:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am still opposed to flooding the main BS page with BSs. I don't know which browser you use, but it runs incredibly slowly with IE.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:13, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's because IE is slow. It shouldn't take forever if you use a different browser.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 02:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because it doesn't take forever on google chrome, opera, or firefox doesn't mean that you shouldn't care about IE users. Me, I usually use IE7 but when I'm at pages like T:TDYK of List of vegetarians I'll use chrome - if I bother to.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject India barnstar
There is no Wikiproject India barnstar, have any suggestions to make it. --Extra999 (Contact me) 04:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. Leave it. What about WikiProject:Portal barnstar ??? --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 11:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, that sounds nice.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Metal Music (no sub-genre) Barnstar
This idea has different genre specific Barnstar's created (one very specific) already, but here's the idea behind this one: This Barnstar is for people who contribute to ANY Heavy Metal music related articles. The idea is that it isn't genre (groove metal, grindcore, tharsh metal, etc.) or band specific, so people can award someone for work in any related articles. Thoughts? (Deftonesderrick 19:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC))


 * Er, not much of a music fan myself, but please, as we all do, explain why it may be useful. And the BS doesn't look that handsome to me, IMHO. Thanks,  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought I explained it pretty well. And if you're not much of a music fan then I think you may not get the imagery very well, it very "Metal", which Metal fans would get. (Deftonesderrick 16:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC))
 * I have no objections to this one. This is very interesting design that would definitely be liked by metal fans.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 17:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * One problem: It's too dark and its text is also dark. It will be difficult to read nicely. --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 02:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, I'm pretty sure it's like that on purpose. It's supposed to be enjoyed by metal fans.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 03:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, maybe. --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 03:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Ribbons
Ribbons don't serve their purpose as not showing so much attractiveness than barnstar. Thoughts --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 14:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They aren't supposed to be more attractive than barnstars. That's because the users who use the ribbon alts like simplicity.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the simplicity, but more importantly I like the size. I want some relatively small indication that "I done good" without making them wade through a sea of lights like some Award pages I've seen (unless they want to, of course). VernoWhitney (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

iPhone OS Barnstar
1. It hasn't got a consensus (as far as I know).

2. We shouldn't have a barnstar for a single phone. mobile operating system.

3. We could have one for telecommunication devices: Mobiles, telephones, telegrams etc. (Unless there already is one.)

Richard  Talk  Contribs  18:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

As for the barnstar itself, considering the fact that we also have a wikiproject for the iPhone OS, I don't see what the big deal is; it's basically just a project-specific award. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 22:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is this Barnstar, exactly? Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The last one on 'Topical Barnstars'. Richard  Talk   Contribs  22:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Turns out it is a mobile operating system, with iPhone, iPod touch and iPad. My bad. My views are unchanged though. Richard  Talk   Contribs  22:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Linking to iPhone OS Barnstar, because I couldn't readily find it.

There's a wikiproject? I better get my facts straight from now on. Scratch all of what i said before. But still it should of been discussed. Richard  Talk  Contribs  00:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Richard is right. Although there is a WikiProject about these iProducts, it doesn't mean that it is not redundant. For instance, it would be silly to make a barnstar for WikiProject Homeschooling and another for WikiProject Alternative Education.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, it is too specific to belong on the main page, Wikiproject or no. I propose we move it to the Awards by WikiProject page.  Oh, and has anyone notified the creator of the Barnstar of this discussion?  He might have some good input.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I created the barnstar because the iPhone OS covers a broad range of topics. If covers more than the iPhone itself. You're welcome to read the the project page for more on what is covered in the WikiProject.  Nerdy Science Dude :)  (✉ click to talk • my edits • sign) 13:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't we have one for telecommunication? Richard  Frederick   Owen  22:39. 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 *  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 18:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Not bad... Richard  Frederick  Owen  20:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually...since you're making barnstars, would you mind making one for a Flora/Botany Barnstar for the discussion above? Richard  Frederick   Owen  20:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

This Barnstar looks good to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, how I missed this place.
Anyway, I just popped over here to say there's a problem with a barnstar, that automotive one. The pictures wrong, so it's just displaying a red link.Abce2 (talk) 00:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There was an image there, but I found this in the deletion log:


 * 15:25, March 26, 2010 Melesse (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Barnstar wheel.jpg" ‎ (Speedy deleted per CSD F4, was a file lacking sources or licensing information for more than seven days. using TW)
 * It appears to be deleted due to lack of source or licensing information.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ msg • changes) 00:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Soo...now what?Abce2 (talk) 00:51, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't someone make another? Better contact the author first though, he might have some ideas. BTW Where did your nice sig go Abce2?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have notified the author of this discussion.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 01:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * @Kayau:It's a long story that I'd rather not go over, but let's not get off topic. Abce2 (talk) 02:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Golden W Award
Just wanted to let everyone on this WikiProject know that a new award, partly inspired by WP:FOUR is being offered: The Golden W Award. This award was created with the intention of keeping the most prolific and skilled editors motivated and providing them recognition for their outstanding contributions. Criteria for the award is that you have to have had content go up at some point on every section of the main page: FA, FP, ITN, DYK, and OTD. This is out of reach for the average editor (myself included), but as I've said, it isn't for the average editor. If you know anyone who qualifies, please nominate them at User:Noraft/Golden W Award. ɳorɑfʈ Talk!
 * Did you read my comment on User talk:Noraft/Golden W Award?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep. You think the criteria are too strict. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 11:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Very few editors would ever receive this award.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This discussion should be continued in User talk:Noraft/Golden W Award, I think, like the way I commented about the FE and DYK on the portal talk and not the mfd.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving to barn star lists
I think the The Missing Barnstar/The Hidden Barnstar should be moved to regular barnstar list page. I am not sure about Mensch's Barnstar, but if we don't move it, then it should be renamed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you link to the barnstars?  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 22:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that Wikipedia talk:Other awards redirects here. What I meant was to move the aforementioned awards from Other awards to Barnstars. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I am opposed to this idea. While the missing barnstar may be great, it, well, is not really a barnstar, and I'm still opposed to flooding WP:* with barnstars (see above).  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the missing barnstar would be a great addition to the main barnstar page. @Kayau:The main barnstar page is supposed to be flooded with barnstars. It would be a page with a description of a barnstar and it would have no barnstars on it if we didn't flood it with barnstars.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Years ago we discussed a strict procedure for making an award a real barnstar (voting, etc.). In the end, it doesn't seem to have been widely accepted. As things are, I think anything with a name barnstar in it should be listed among barnstars. Otherwise, confusion ensues. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, a lot of barnstars that appear in the WikiProject Awards don't appear in the main barnstar page. Seccondly, a lot of PUAs also look like barnstars but obviously aren't. Thirdly, voting is evil. :P  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Encyclopedic tone barnstar
Maybe for editors who correct things like "The nominees include...Susan Johnson, Harry Jones", "For example, you might have to spend more time typing without Microsoft Word" or "Microsoft PowerPoint is the perfect solution for presentations"?--' Mikespedia is on Wikipedia! ' 08:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The copyediting barnstar should do the trick.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. We don't need redundant barnstars.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

CSD barnstar
Anyone up to creating a CSD Barnstar? Maybe the ORG barnie with a CSD background painted onto it? Buggie111 (talk) 17:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That should be covered by the new page patrolling barnstar. Most, if not all, people who CSD stuff are NPPatrollers.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Myriad Minor Edits Barnstar
Can somebody create a myriad minor edits barnstar. A galaxy - countless little stars - might be a suitable image! Gaius Cornelius (talk) 14:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Working man, diligence, behind-the-scenes, copyediting, et cetera, may do the trick.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the Minor Barnstar. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)