Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 24

Content Reversion: 7/18/17 UTC
Hi, ! Thank you for your great contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to explain why I performed this edit, which you reverted. I performed the first edit because, on a previous occasion, I had noticed that the Bravery Barnstar 2.0 (which is now the Bravery Barnstar 1.0) had a white background, making it not comply with Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. For this reason, I moved it to the Barnstar 1.0 column. Also, since the only problem that I noticed with it was that the background was white and not transparent, I made one with a transparent background and added it (in the edit that you reverted). More information on my reasoning can be found at WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Current Projects (the text of which is also displayed at WP:WPWPA).

I hope that this explanation is useful. If there is something more to the matter which I haven't seen, please let me know.

Thanks!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I see the original discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 23 to add the barnstar. I don't see where it was agreed to place it as 2.0 barnstar. It doesn't fit the 2.0 design, but it can be a regular one. We can use the one you added without the unnecessary white background as the regular one. But it's not a 2.0 design because it is not done in vector. However, your version needs to be fixed before it can be used, as you have not removed the background: comparison with contrasted background. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point about the white spiky edging on the barnstar (if that's what you were pointing me to); that does definitely need to be removed. I will see what I can do about that. If you were trying to point me to something else, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if you clean the background, it's still not a 2.0 barnstar. It is not done in clean-style vector graphics, which is the whole point of those. If you clean the white background properly, it's an improvement to the original 1.0 one. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about the clean-style vector graphics rule!
 * I don't know how to create clean-style vector graphics; however, I could take a gold 2.0 barnstar and add a Celtic knot to it (such as this one), reproducing the same general effect. Would that work?
 * I will try to clean up the original barnstar, but it may take a while. Until I can do so, I will not replace the original 1.0 barnstar.
 * If you have any answers to my questions, please let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's never perfect, because the original image was a compressed jpeg that was on a white background (with antialiasing and compression artifacts making the border difficult to be clearly distinguished and cut). I uploaded a new attempt of File:Bravery_Barnstar.png.  I guess that this still would only suit for v1.0 though...  Comments/revert welcome, — Paleo  Neonate  - 20:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that your new version of the Bravery Barnstar is amazing! I really like how you managed to completely remove the white border.
 * I think that this version should be the new Bravery Barnstar 1.0. What do you think, ?
 * Once again, great barnstar!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

The Scholarly Barnstar?
How would you feel about a "Scholarly Barnstar", awarded in recognition of contributions based on high-quality academic sources, perhaps with a star wearing a graduation cap? There's a small but special class of editors who make the effort to read the best scholarly publications on the subject they're working on. I'd like to have a barnstar to show my appreciation. Eperoton (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a good idea, and I can't find a barnstar at Barnstars that matches this description, so let's make this one!
 * By the way, what color would you like the barnstar to be? I've found a couple of good graduation cap pictures (this one and this one), which I can quickly place on whatever color barnstar you want (provided that the barnstar exists in the color that you want. If it doesn't, that will be significantly more difficult).
 * Again, this sounds like a great idea! I hope that this idea goes through.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Given my lack of literacy in graphical design, I will defer to your aesthetic judgement on colors and shapes. Thanks! Eperoton (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * How does this look? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just noting: There is a bit of blue overlayed on the bottom corner of the cap. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  00:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the overall design looks great. Eperoton (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses! I will try to remove the blue from the cap. Thanks again! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I just discovered that removing the blue part will be much more difficult that it seemed (at least for me), due to the complex texture on the graduation cap. For this reason, I would rather not remove it, due to the fact that I would probably mess up the texture in doing so.
 * I also noticed that the original hat had a blue corner as well. For this reason, I would ask the original creator of the hat to help with this, but exactly who created the hat is somewhat confusing. The likeliest persion is commons:User:Garrett, who is apparently inactive. If someone else can help me remove the blue corner, I would greatly appreciate that!
 * Thanks again to everyone here!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would be perfectly happy to use the image as is. Thanks for your work, ! Eperoton (talk) 03:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I also find it nice; I wonder if the hat is visible enough at the typical barnstar banner size though? Test:


 * I think so. It looks great, — Paleo  Neonate  - 04:07, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support!, what do you think? Thanks again, everyone! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. Looks pretty good, but the cap could be bigger. Thanks! RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  14:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * About how much larger do you want the cap to be? I would be happy to make it as large as you want it, as long as doing so does not conflict with Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I want it to be large enough to cover... say... two or so of the inner points on the star (where the lines connect). RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  20:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have now uploaded a new version of the barnstar with a larger graduation cap. Please let me know what you think of the new version (reflected in the above test). Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I just found another version of the cap with the blue corner turned gray. This version is located at File:Sciences humaines.svg. Please let me know if this cap is preferable to the current cap; if so, I will replace the current one with this new one. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Not only is this cap better without the blue, but it's also in svg, meaning that you should be able to scale it the size you want without the aliasing artifacts which are unfortunately visible in the last test (clearly visible in full size). — Paleo  Neonate  - 20:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit lost in the distinctions between great and perfect. Are there any further steps we need to take before adding it to the list? Eperoton (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there are any further steps that we need to take before adding the barnstar to the list, as long as everyone agrees that the barnstar should exist. We can continue to work on the barnstar art after the barnstar is added to the list, so adding it now shouldn't be a problem with regard to the art. Do you think that the barnstar should exist? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Support — I just surveyed the existing barnstars to look for any redundancy. Here are similar ones:
 * Kevin_Gorman_Education_Program_Barnstar — Also has a graduation hat, but has brown barnstar color and is unrelated to sourcing.
 * The_Citation_Barnstar — Although it does not specifically mention scholarly sources, it's generic and to award those who add sources where they were missing.
 * The_BLP_Barnstar — Mentions sourcing but in relation to BLP which have special requirements.
 * Diligent_Librarian_Barnstar — More about finding and helping to find sources on request.
 * Schools_Barnstar — More about writing and improving school-related articles.
 * So the closest in meaning is #2 and the closest graphically is #1. My personal impression is that this barnstar is still distinct enough to exist.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 22:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, it sounds like there are no objections. I can try to create the template and add it to the list, or else I'm happy to leave that to someone else. Eperoton (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to try to create a template for the Scholarly Barnstar. By the way, do you want it to be called Template:Scholarly Barnstar or Template:The Scholarly Barnstar? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it. It looks like the official names always start with "The", regardless of what the template is called. I have no preference on this, so please take your pick. Eperoton (talk) 02:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I have now created the Scholarly Barnstar template (located at Template:Scholarly Barnstar). I have also added the Scholarly Barnstar to the list of general barnstars at Barnstars (in this edit). Please let me know if any improvements on this barnstar or anything relating to it need to be made. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks, everyone! Eperoton (talk) 04:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I just swapped out the graduation cap icon on the Scholarly Barnstar image from File:Graduation cap.png (the one with the blue corner) to File:Sciences humaines.svg (the one without the blue corner), as requested earlier in this discussion. I hope that this helps! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice, the zooming/scaling artifacts also disappeared. The template also seems fine to me.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 15:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The Real Life Barnstar
How would you guys feel about having a "Real Life Barnstar", awarded in recognition to contributions made for the benefit of Wikipedia, in real world ? I have created a template at Template:Real Life Barnstar. P.S. this page is not in my watchlist therefore please ping. --Saqib (talk) 18:14, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We already have that—see Template:The Real-Life Barnstar and its entry here. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  18:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Rescue and Recovery barnstars
I noticed that we both have the Rescue and Recovery barnstars. My impression when reading their description is that they both are to award those who manage to improve articles when they are undergoing a deletion discussion. The Rescue one appears to be associated to the Article Rescue Squadron project, however. Input welcome on if those are really redundant or not. If they are and we decide to phase out one, we'd have to make sure that all existing uses have been substituted (they normally should be) and to not delete the image. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 23:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We should not substitute existing usages, this isn't like an article image. Barnstar awards are subst:ed for a reason -- we don't retroactively change them, most are in archives and on user pages. The old image can stay, we just won't list it or put it in WP:PUA or something. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

New barnstar
A lot of work has been done over the past several months by many editors to expand and improve articles on the Presidents of the United States and their presidencies. I've created (and uploaded to Wikimedia commons) a barnstar—the POTUSbarnstar—to recognize those making significant contributions to these articles, and wanted to share it with you, and ask that it be added to the barnstar list. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed that WikiProject_United_States exists which may possibly be redundant. Interestingly that one is not listed at Barnstars/Barnstar_of_National_Merit.  I like the look of your barnstar, although at its 100px size (commonly used in barnstars) the eagle details are not visible.  The eagle shape itself is still recognizable.  I'll let others comment.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 20:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I could enlarge the disc a little. Drdpw (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: I now added the missing barnstar to Barnstars/Barnstar_of_National_Merit. — Paleo  Neonate  – 21:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If yours is related to presidents, it may be distinct (non redundant) from the general one mentioned above. — Paleo  Neonate  – 21:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, this barnstar is related specifically to presidents as described in the Wikiproject Presidents of the United States lead. Drdpw (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks okay for the WikiProject awards list. It does feel very narrow scoped though -- presidents for one country; may be expand to US politicians in general or something? The disc could be a bit bigger. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * by "the WikiProjet awards list" do you mean listing it at WikiProject United States Presidents's page under an Awards subsection, or that there's another public list it could go on? Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 03:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:WPPA and I guess wherever the project wants to. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I could go ahead and create the template and link it. I would like to first determine the names for the template as well as for the title.  Suggested:
 * Template name and usage:
 * Aspect


 * — Paleo Neonate  – 10:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The United States Presidents Barnstar was created and added at WP:WPPA and at WP:USP. Thanks, and sorry for the delay, — Paleo  Neonate  – 16:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 01:59, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Adding The Running Woman Barnstar to the list
Any objections to adding Template:The Running Woman Barnstar to the list? It is based on the alt version of Template:The Running Man Barnstar. Hmlarson (talk) 07:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking!
 * My personal opinion would be to avoid adding The Running Woman Barnstar to the list, for the following reasons:
 * The Running Man Barnstar already exists as a barnstar for sports in general, so making a barnstar for sports specifically related to women seems somewhat redundant. (If sports actually is a large enough category that it should have sub-category barnstars like the proposed one, I would suggest adding this barnstar as well as one for sports specifically related to men, but I don't think that sports is a large enough category to warrant sub-category barnstars, so I would rather not add this one.)
 * If the reason for making a new barnstar is that The Running Man Barnstar contains the word "man", and that that somehow excludes women, then I would suggest the following: Rather than making a new barnstar just to have a different name, Template:The Running Man Barnstar should gain a gender parameter like the one at Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar, allowing The Running Man Barnstar to be written alternatively as The Running Woman Barnstar or The (gender-neutral equivalent) Barnstar.
 * Please let me know if you have any questions about my comment.
 * Thanks again for asking!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 09:38, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * are you sure that this page is where you wanted to post this (rather than at a specific editor's talk page)?Face-smile.svg — Paleo  Neonate  – 10:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was a mistake. Borsoka (talk) 11:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Awarding a barnstar to oneself
does not seem to be the intended use, is it? --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:26, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen various editors do this, I doubt that we can do much about it (unless there's some related policy I ignore), at least those are not signed (if they were signed by other people it could fall under impersonation)... It's probably much less rewarding than when receiving an award from someone who appreciates our work.Face-smile.svg I think that there are tasks where every participant is entitled to an award, I wondered for an instant if the first wasn't of that type, but unlikely, considering the large scope of the second one.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 15:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

How do you award?
Do you post in the user talk page or in the user page? Thinker78 (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello . They should be placed on the user's talk page as a new message.  They are then free to copy/move them where they wish.  I hope this helps, — Paleo  Neonate  – 00:51, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Orphan New Page Reviewer of the Year award
I noticed that New Page Reviewer of the Year is orphan. There's probably a relevant place where it could be listed (I've not seriously looked yet, but this is a reminder, and others may know). It is still in use. New pages patrol/Reviewers may be a candidate. — Paleo Neonate  – 01:45, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding the Tropical Cyclone Barnstar to the list
Here's an example: Here's the general form: Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 20:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you're asking if you can add the Tropical Cyclone Barnstar to the list of topical barnstars over at Barnstars, then my advice would be to go ahead with it, since we don't currently have any other barnstars even vaguely related to tropical cyclones. If, someday, we get a barnstar relating to meteorology in general, we might want to simply use that barnstar instead of this barnstar (since WP:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones is a sub-project of WP:WikiProject Meteorology), but until and unless something like that occurs, this definitely warrants a spot on the topical barnstars list.
 * If you were trying to communicate something other than the question of whether you could add this barnstar to the list or not, please let me know what you were trying to express.
 * Thank you!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking my suggestion and adding the barnstars to the barnstars list!
 * I just noticed that you added two separate templates to the list, one for each barnstar. Generally, one barnstar template is used, with a parameter entitled "2" which, if set to "alt", will make the barnstar act as a 2.0 barnstar, making it be a 1.0 barnstar if left out. Is it fine with you if I merge the templates into one and add the parameter like I suggested?
 * Also, I noticed a couple of problems with the wiki-markup, both at Barnstars and at the tropical cyclone barnstar templates themselves. These problems include having a description of how to use the barnstar appear when you put the 2.0 one on a page, and having the start of a link at their listing at Barnstars but not finishing the link, among other problems. Would you mind if I went in and fixed the problems in those places?
 * Thanks again for going ahead and adding the barnstar!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what you mean, but if there are formatting issues, feel free to fix them. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 16:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll try to fix those now. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed the problems with Template:The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar (in this edit), redirected Template:Tropical cyclone barnstar to Template:The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar (in this edit), and fixed the problems with the Tropical Cyclone Barnstar's entry at Barnstars (in this edit).
 * Unfortunately, I wound up removing the "extension" parameter functionality over at Template:The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar when I added the "alt" parameter to that template. If I can figure out how to re-add that functionality, I will let you know, but until and unless I can fix it (or if someone else, such as you, can fix it), the barnstar's picture, as seen within the barnstar template, will have to stay in a .png format. I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for restoring that functionality to Template:The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar! Now, in terms of images, it works perfectly!
 * I noticed one tiny problem that I can't figure out how to fix: When you insert the barnstar onto a page, the following text appears:
 * fdffe7;"
 * If you can figure out how to fix that, that would be amazing! If not, don't worry about it. I just thought that I should mention this, just in case you hadn't noticed it and could fix it.
 * Thanks again for re-adding the extension functionality!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar bureaucracy
People (especially from this wikiproject) bureacratize way, way too much at Barnstars and its talk page. I haven't created a barnstar in, and the sole reason is the difficulty of getting any kind of consensus there, and the revert-happy zeal employed by people who stalk that page, which is actually in contravention of WP:EDITING policy (editors have a right to make improvements as they see fit, and reverts are used when the result is clearly not an improvement, not on some WP:IDONTLIKEIT basis or "you didn't get our permission first" one. WT:BARNSTAR is kind of the last vestige of an WP:Esperanza-style private club left on Wikipedia, and it really needs to stop. Just the fact that Wikipedia talk:Barnstars and even Wikipedia talk:Personal user awards now redirect to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards is not cool.  That's not appreciably different from redirecting Wikipedia talk:Systemic bias to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red or something. There is no practical reason that the various topical barnstars created by wikiprojects, and the various more imaginative user awards on the other page (aside from those controlled as So-and-so User's private award) cannot be merged into WP:BARNSTAR, those created by WP:WikiProject Kindness Campaign, and various others added; they're scattered all over the place. Have you all not noticed that the frequency with which people give each others barnstars has fallen through the floor? Guess why. No one wants to have to deal with something that feels like FAC or a drama noticeboard just to add a template to a page. Precisely zero of our other template index pages operate that way, for good reason. I'm of half a mind to start an alternative page without the "police squad", and then after it proves to be 10× more popular, MfD the old one as obsolete and either to be merged or to be wikiproject-spaced. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  10:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC); revised 10:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  19:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty much exactly this.^^^^ Barnstars were never meant to have any formal endorsement or mean anything and there should never be any body (especially self-appointed and self-regulated) which has any control over these or any awards. If that is happening, it needs to stop yesterday.  -- Jayron 32 12:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Firstly, why are you not using WikiLove? It's created by WMF for all the reasons you are listing. Barnstars is--by your own definition--a "private club". Nobody is forced to be part of it. You can create and give whatever award in whatever form to anyone without having to discuss it with anyone (or create your own award page). If you really don't care about this page's bureaucracy, then it shouldn't matter if your award is on some arbitrary list. Just give out the award. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 15:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I do sometimes use WikiLove, but I often want to give a topical barnstar for the "traditional cachet" of it, rather than a wikicookie or whatever. I would have created  of topical and activity-specific b'stars by now, but my initial attempts were wikilawyered over, so I just said "F' it" and gave up. It's not a matter of giving them out, it's a matter of .  The last time I wanted to give one, it took about half an hour, and I ended up going with something generic, because no search term I tried on the page found anything; I had to read through them all and try to find something even vaguely related to the sphere of activity I had in mind, and there wasn't anything particularly appropriate, because this project has so sharply limited the number of available barnstars on the list. I know I'm not alone in this.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  19:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree with and thanks for raising this point. When  writes, "Nobody is forced to be part of it." how did they get an invitation to this private club? By asking permission? Of who? Hmlarson (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * And we most definitely are forced to be part of it. Try creating a barnstar and adding it to WP:Barnstars without going through this project's formal proposal process.  You'll be reverted so fast your head will spin.  Look at the participants list; at least one says their purpose for participating is "Watching the Talk Page to propose extant alternatives to new proposals", i.e. blockading people adding barmstars that editor thinks are too similar in appearance or purpose to another one (if a template is so redundant it needs to be merged, that's a WP:TFD matter).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  19:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * At this point the argument is that there is a process. So does almost every other process on Wikipedia from FAC to AfD from BRFA to RfA. It's all based on consensus and nobody is (or could) stop you (or anyone) from commenting here on anything from idea to a full-on RfC. And, yes, the standing consensus is to propose new barnstars first before adding them to the main list. Many editors agreed and no one really disagreed at the time. If you or anyone wishes to change this, then make a proposal to change this and editors can express their thoughts on it. May be in 2018 we don't want to have a formal process for addition of barnstars to the main lists anymore. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * To clarify: This wikiproject has a fine, albeit very internal, purpose to exist in designing barnstars and has done great work, with the "series 2" graphical upgrades and so on. But no community purpose is served in any way by gate-keeping who can add a barnstar for what to the index pages like Barnstars and Personal user awards. Those are community, not wikiproject, pages just like Template messages/Cleanup, Current event templates, List of templates linking to other free content projects, etc., etc.  These template management pages are .  The issue here to me is that several WP-wide template index pages are as heavily regulated by this project as stub templates and their categories are by WP:WikiProject Stub sorting.   thing is a very strange animal: being a formalized process since the early 2000s (e.g. WP:CFD and WP:TFD will not accept nominations of stub categories and templates, and they  go to WP:WSS), so it should no longer be at a "WikiProject" name. Having it there sends a very bad signal to other wikiprojects to behave in the same manner, even though WP:WSS is completely unique in having been adopted as an official process page.   project, WP:WPWPA, has no such imprimatur from the community to tightly regulate a series of templates.  Doing it with this series  seems downright counter-productive.
 * Where are you getting all this conspiracy stuff? Go ahead and make a new page or category for all the awards/barnstars if you think there should be a full list (I'm sure others will find it useful too). WP:PUA doesn't need any approval to have things added (we can add this explanation to the page). You don't "join" any club here and nothing here is "exclusive", just discuss what you want on this page or form new consensus if you disagree (we had consensus before to discuss new additions). Other talk pages redirect so more people can see discussions (this was a problem; you can keep any new list's talk page unredirected). — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No one said anything about a "conspiracy" other than you.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  20:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Barnstars are the equivalent of a student achievement award for playing in a schoolyard. There shouldn't be awards for engaging in what is essentially a personal hobby. And if anyone edits Wikipedia because they hope to get a hug for savoring their pastime ... they need psychotherapy. Pyxis Solitary  talk 23:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ...and then we direct them to WP:NOTTHERAPY, of course ;)     >SerialNumber  54129 ...speculates 06:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I certainly hope Wikiproject members are not a police. It however only seems natural to have a central discussion page for more-or-less official awards, discuss quality and prevent duplicates.  Everyone can create their own awards and use/give them independently of this project.  I also support bold edits to the barnstars pages, which as necessary can be corrected or reverted, then as anything, discussed per WP:BRD.  To answer Pyxis: they are for encouragement and recognition and to express appreciation; other than those which can be self-awarded when certain conditions are met (i.e. number of edits), I agree that they should not be expected, but gifts are always nice.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 10:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with on all points here. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Who is for starting the 'no barnstar bureaucracy wikiproject' - the only rule is no rules! Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

New proposal
Inspired by the current events: Proposed:  Poeticbent  talk 20:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion!
 * If you're proposing that we create a new barnstar called Template:Current Events, which gives the message above, I would like to make the following suggestion: Rather than doing that, one should use Template:The Current Events Barnstar, a barnstar which, according to Barnstars, is supposed to be used for the following purposes:
 * "The Current Events Barnstar may be awarded to editors who make substantial contributions to current events articles, helping accurate information get through when it is most needed."
 * Then you could take Template:Current Events Barnstar and insert your message, like so:
 * You are "like, really smart" and indeed, a "very stable genius" in dealing with with the issue of fake news on our platform. Thank you. Presented by ~
 * Which, if I used it, would create the following barnstar box:


 * Please let me know what you think of my idea.
 * Thank you!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * So, as I understand correctly User:Noah Kastin, you do like the idea, right? But the focus is different. The already existing Current Events Barnstar provides the user with the opportunity to write their own personalized message in a totally different spirit. My new proposal was a major departure from that. This is why I would rather rename my proposal as The Trump Barnstar. Here's the new look of my proposal. What do you think? Just asking...  Poeticbent  talk 17:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Proposed:
 * Thanks for the new suggestion! This does look more polished than the previous proposition.
 * I noticed that barnstars generally allow the user to write whatever they want in the barnstar box, so having this as a barnstar might cause discrepancies between this and other barnstars. However, Personal user awards has no such consistency, and in fact has a very wide variety of awards, which I think your award would fit in perfectly with. Therefore, I would suggest that, instead of trying to add this award to Barnstars, that you instead add this award to Personal user awards (possibly with "Barnstar" changed to "Award", so "The Trump Award" instead of "The Trump Barnstar", since most personal user awards end with "Award" rather than "Barnstar").
 * Please let me know what you think of this suggestion.
 * Thank you!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm generally not interested in the barnstar stuff, but I think there are some serious issues with this one.
 * When I first saw it, the phrase You are like, really smart and indeed, a very stable genius looked like a sarcastic insult. Yes, my fault for misinterpreting it. However I think it's easily misinterpreted that way. It would be really bad if a recipient or onlooker interpreted it as an insult, and it would be even worse if someone actually gave the barnstar with sarcastic-insult intent.
 * Trump is a hot button topic. Some people hate him and expect other people to hate him too, and others love him and expect other people to love him too. We seriously don't need a barnstar inciting a political-blow-up if a recipient or onlooker has a differing view on Trump.
 * This barnstar is topical for about 5 minutes. The 24 hour news cycle will very quickly roll on to the next thing-of-the-day. In the long run it will be as relevant as a Jimmy Carter barnstar (or the James Polk barnstar).
 * Probably least important, but it's rather America-centric. Even if someone is cleaning up fake news in US politics it doesn't necessarily mean that they are American. They may find the America-centrism awkward.
 * Alsee (talk) 21:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with on all points. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 14:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Decline Mostly because the WMF doesn't need a lawsuit for the unauthorized use of his name. Hmlarson (talk) 22:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no legal theory under which that could happen, since Trump is a surname not owned by a single individual, defamation law exempts public figures (in the US, the relevant jurisdiction) and this isn't defamatory anyway, and no money is being made so publicity rights are not in play, even if it were "The Donald John Trump Barnstar". I don't see the point in naming this after Trump, though, since what Trump calls fake news (any media that criticism him) and what the rest of the world calls fake news (actual fake news, mostly far-right and Trump-supporting) are radically different things.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  18:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The Trump Barnstar can be perceived as offense. The word "Trump" should be removed from future proposals. QuackGuru ( talk ) 18:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Three Running-related barnstars
Hi everyone! I have a proposition to make, but first I have to provide some relevant background.

About four months ago, a discussion (viewable here) occurred. Rather than paraphrasing, I'll simply quote the whole discussion here: Any objections to adding Template:The Running Woman Barnstar to the list? It is based on the alt version of Template:The Running Man Barnstar. Hmlarson (talk) 07:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking!
 * My personal opinion would be to avoid adding The Running Woman Barnstar to the list, for the following reasons:
 * The Running Man Barnstar already exists as a barnstar for sports in general, so making a barnstar for sports specifically related to women seems somewhat redundant. (If sports actually is a large enough category that it should have sub-category barnstars like the proposed one, I would suggest adding this barnstar as well as one for sports specifically related to men, but I don't think that sports is a large enough category to warrant sub-category barnstars, so I would rather not add this one.)
 * If the reason for making a new barnstar is that The Running Man Barnstar contains the word "man", and that that somehow excludes women, then I would suggest the following: Rather than making a new barnstar just to have a different name, Template:The Running Man Barnstar should gain a gender parameter like the one at Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar, allowing The Running Man Barnstar to be written alternatively as The Running Woman Barnstar or The (gender-neutral equivalent) Barnstar.
 * Please let me know if you have any questions about my comment.
 * Thanks again for asking!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 09:38, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

As you can see here, there was no response to the above discussion.

About a month ago, added Template:The Running Woman Barnstar to the barnstars list (in this edit), with an edit summary reading "Gender neutrality". However, I still hold my former opinion regarding this: "Rather than making a new barnstar just to have a different name, Template:The Running Man Barnstar should gain a gender parameter like the one at Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar, allowing The Running Man Barnstar to be written alternatively as The Running Woman Barnstar or The (gender-neutral equivalent) Barnstar." As such, I think that gender neutrality can be achieved simply by adding this parameter, rather than by having two nearly identical barnstars existing in tandem.

I also noticed that there is a third Running-related barnstar, called simply Template:Running Man Barnstar (as opposed to Template:The Running Man Barnstar). This template seems to act exactly like Template:The Running Man Barnstar, except that 1) Template:Running Man Barnstar cannot create a 2.0 Barnstar, just a 1.0 Barnstar, and 2) the entire description of Template:Running Man Barnstar is included with the barnstar picture itself.

Due to all of this, I propose the following changes:


 * 1) Template:Running Man Barnstar and Template:The Running Woman Barnstar should be merged into Template:The Running Man Barnstar.
 * 2) Template:The Running Man Barnstar should be moved to some gender-netural equivalent (e.g. Template:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar).
 * 3) Template:The Running Man Barnstar (with whatever name it has by this stage) should gain a gender parameter, like the one found at Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar, letting the barnstar have male, female, and one or more gender-neutral variations.

If no one objects to the changes that I proposed directly above this line of text, I will put them through. If anyone has any objections, however, feel free to mention them, and I will try to find some way that we can find consensus. Also, if anyone has any other questions, feel free to mention them here.

Thanks!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 09:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that combining this stuff into a single template with gender parameters, and just calling it, say, the Running Wikipedian Barnstar would get the job done. I say that from a WP:Template editor and WP:Templates for discussion regular; merging templates is standard operating procedure. However, I will raise a bureaucracy point in a subthread below. The fact that this is being discussed by a wikiproject which has effectively exerting control, in a WP:CONLEVEL-problematic way over a non-wikiproject page, instead of being discussed at TfD, is symptomatic of a broader problem.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  10:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC); revised: 10:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I would like all three options available. When I search for women-related barnstars, I want this to come up. When I search for a gender-neutral option, I want this to come up. If I want a male-specific option, same applies. Hmlarson (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input!
 * I have an idea that might get you what you want:
 * First, combine The Running Man Barnstar, The Running Woman Barnstar, and Running Man Barnstar into one template with gender parameters, as I suggested. Then, create redirects to the template for the other gender versions of the barnstar. So if the actual template is, say, Template:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar, then there should be redirects at Template:The Running Man Barnstar, Template:The Running Woman Barnstar, and any other gender-neutral variants, all linking to Template:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar; however, the template itself, with all of the wiki-markup, should only be in one place (in this example, at Template:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar).
 * How does that sound?
 * Thanks again, everyone, for the input!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * - can you draft it up w/ the various parameters and share here for review? Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.
 * I finally made up a draft of the barnstar, which is viewable at Draft:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar. I created it by copying all of the code from Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar, pasting it into a new draft, and changing all of the names from "Working X's" to "Running X". I also created documentation for the new barnstar, which is copied from Template:The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar/doc and is viewable at Draft:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar/doc.
 * Please let me know what you think of the Running Wikipedian Barnstar and its documentation., you might also want to look at the template to make sure that this is the template that you were initially agreeing should be made. Once we can all reach a consensus on how the template should look, I can move the template and its documentation from draft space to template space and create the promised redirects.
 * Thanks in advance for any feedback!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  17:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 22:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that you like my draft of the barnstar! Since you both like it, I'm going to go ahead, move it to Template space, and turn those other templates (Template:The Running Man Barnstar, Template:The Running Woman Barnstar, and Template:Running Man Barnstar) into redirects. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I just went over to Barnstars and replaced the old versions of Template:The Running Wikipedian Barnstar with the new version. Having done that (and everything that I did in my previous post), I think that it's safe to say that, as of now, the entire process of replacing the old versions of the barnstar with the new version should be complete. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

The Eastern Barnstar
Hi, ! Thank you for editing Wikipedia!

I noticed that you added a new barnstar, The Eastern Barnstar, to the list of barnstars at Barnstars. This is a perfectly fine barnstar, except for one thing: Barnstars usually have templates so that users can simply and easily place the barnstars on pages via the template without having to find the barnstar image in question and figure out what to do with them; however, this barnstar does not have an associated template. Would you mind if I created a template for this barnstar, so that it can have one and, therefore, potentially be more useful to other editors?

Thank you again for editing Wikipedia!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, feel free. Thanks! -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have now made the template, which is located at Template:Eastern Barnstar. I'm going to add it to the list at Barnstars now. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 19:00, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ in this edit. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 19:06, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar of Existence
I created a barnstar that can be sent to users who contribute to existence related articles, or more humorously, to send to users who exist (after all, you can't contribute without existing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZLEA (talk • contribs) 17:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice! I see that you've posted it over at Personal user awards, which seems appropriate for the award that you created. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 12:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Minnesota Barnstar
Hi,, and thank you for adding the Minnesota Barnstar to the the topical barnstars list!

I noticed that you entered File:Seal of Minnesota-alt.png as an alternate image for the barnstar. While this is perfectly fine, placing the image in the Barnstar 2.0 column seems misleading, as the seal is not a barnstar. Therefore, I would like to propose that we find some way to place the seal in some more convenient area of the table (if there is one) and/or create a Minnesota Barnstar 2.0.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Your logic for removing it from the table is reasonable - it does appear a bit out of place, not being a star and all. I've updated Barnstars to suggest the Seal can be an alt image. I had used the seal to give a MN award to a couple editors. I'm not entirely opposed to a second version of the award, but I'd be more inclined to make a Seal-based star as the alt image. = paul2520 (talk) 02:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * How about a picture of File:Original Barnstar Hires.png with File:Seal of Minnesota-alt.png super-imposed over the center of it? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be perfect. I would be happy to do this in GIMP - I can either get to it late tonight or else in a couple of days. = paul2520 (talk) 16:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That sounds good! I'll be interested to see what the final product looks like. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * how does this look? File:Minnesota barnstar with State Seal.png. I tried playing around with the coloring to make it look more rustic, but I think this version was best. Essentially just the superimposed image, with a few touch-ups. = paul2520 (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks amazing! That's actually exactly what I had imagined the barnstar would look like. Let's use that! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

The Feminist Barnstar
I would like to see such a thing as ‘The a Feminist Barnstar’, which should be awarded for making edits to articles about women. There is a graphic that I have created.



Thank you. ———Peppa Pig the Second (talk) 10:43, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

SVG Edition of The Template Barnstar
Hi, I created a new edition of the Template Barnstar, for the old one is low resolution. But I couldn't learn the words in the old editon (for its low resolution). Is it applicable to Template Barnstar?--HFWMan (talk) 09:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting up this new version of the award!
 * If you're asking if your picture would be acceptable as the 2.0 version of the barnstar, then I would say yes, I would expect so. However, if what you're asking is what the words in the original version said, I can't help you with that. I'm pinging, the creator of the original barnstar, to see if he can help you on this matter.
 * If you have any more questions, please let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 16:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply, I has asked the question about the words of the old version template barnstar, but no one knew (and the author hasn't logined for long time). Alright, actually it needn't any words, with the words being introduced, the font of the words will be a new problem. if current version of my work is acceptable  as the new version, then thank you very much. --HFWMan (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The text is All your base are belong to us, but it was deliberately made small enough that it was unreadable - I just wanted some generic text that didn't mean anything. Smurrayinchester 12:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know what the text in question is! It's always nice to know these sorts of things.
 * If you're fine with your version of the barnstar, I would say: go for it, put up the barnstar! If you need any help adding it to the barnstars list, I'm happy to help.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Update of the Purple Barnstar's purpose
I've taken upon myself to extend the qualifications of the Purple Barnstar: awarded to those who have endured undue hardship (e.g., incessant harassment, personal issues, etc.) on or outside Wikipedia but still remain resolute in their commitment to the project and its ideals. Recently I have given this award to two seperate Wikipedians who have disclosed that they suffer from health issues and still make tremendous efforts here. I think this falls into the scope of what this Barnstar is truly about: acknowledging the virtue of a dedicated editor who faces tremendous hardship and still contributes on. Just like the real-world equivalent, the US Purple Heart, the expanded-definition Purple Barnstar rewards sacrifice and dedication.  Double Plus Ungood (talk)  08:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks! Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Art+Feminism Barnstar
We created the graphic for an Art+Feminism barnstar, but never went through this process of formally creating the barnstar and template. This barnstar is to be given to editors who make contributions about art and feminism. I don't know how to create the actual template, or if I was supposed to do that prior to this request... but if not, can someone help me, or point me in the right direction in how to create that template. --Theredproject (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion!
 * I support the creation of this template, but only if its main purpose is for rewarding efforts during the Art+Feminism edit-a-thon. If it is meant to be for rewarding more general efforts about art and biographies of women, we have the Barnstar of Fine Arts and the Bio-Star for those, so I would not support adding an additional barnstar just for covering those two topics, as it would be somewhat redundant.
 * Thanks again for the suggestion!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Noah Kastin, I spaced out on checking back on this, and then got swept up in the A+F activities for the month. It is just for rewarding efforts during the Art+Feminism edit-a-thon. --Theredproject (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case, I am completely in support of the barnstar, as the edit-a-thon should have some kind of reward for its participants. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * did I do this correctly: Template:AF_Barnstar--Theredproject (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good! I would have done things a bit differently, but how you did it is perfectly good. Let's go with what you made! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * what else do I have to do in order to get it on the Barnstars page? --Theredproject (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just add it to the bottom of the list at Barnstars in the same general format as each of the other 1.0 barnstars there. To make things easier, you could copy the source code for the entry on the Eastern Barnstar (the third from the bottom of the list), paste it in at the bottom of the list, and substitute its specifics (picture, link, and text) with your own. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK cool. I figured that the page was admin protected or something. Will do! Thanks for your help and guidance on this.--Theredproject (talk) 02:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Any time. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

More barnstars to add
I propose these be added to the page: Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 09:13, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Template:PRC Barnstar
 * Template:Bangladesh Barnstar
 * Template:Taiwan Barnstar
 * Template:American Old West barnstar
 * Template:The Minnesota barnstar
 * Template:Soviet Barnstar
 * Thanks for asking!
 * You'll be pleased to know that all of the barnstars except for the Soviet Barnstar are actually already on the Barnstars list.
 * As for the Soviet Barnstar, I personally have nothing against adding it, so if no-one else has any problems with adding it, I'd say that you're good to go!
 * If you have any questions, please let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Wait, I didn't think this through, I was thinking of them being added to Barnstars/Barnstar of National Merit. I did not notice the redirect. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up! It looks like the PRC Barnstar and the Soviet Barnstar already have Barnstars of National Merit, but I see no problem with adding the other four to Barnstars of National Merit (apart from the fact that someone would have to draw the Barnstar of National Merit variants, that is). Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 19:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I see there's a redundancy there, but why not add both? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Technically, we could add both, but I would advise against it, as it would provide extra would for the artists of the barnstars with only minimal benefit for people who would want to award the barnstars. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've since proposed some of these barnstars for merge. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 07:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thanks for letting me know! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:11, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

The hidden subpage barnstar
This is a barnstar specifically for users who find hidden subpages on user pages.There is no image for this barnstar yet,so can I have help w/that?I was thinking like the top half of a barnstar sticking out of a dresser drawer. Do you like it?Plzplzplz consider it!NOTE: There was a barnstar that served that purpose,but it seems to have vanished overnight. Me at my happiest! 11:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What, like finding ancient drafts? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this idea has much merit in that case, or if is referring to control pages (such as sidebar, navbar, etc. that commonly get transcluded onto other pages in one's userspace). Barnstars are not self-awarded, with the exception of Service Awards. They're given to an editor by another for something they did that was appriciated, and usually constructive to improving the Wiki. Finding such control pages, or finding ancient drafts in itself isn't really an accomplishment nor does it improve anything. And if they were to use that older draft to make improvements to the live page, there are already other barnstars for making good edits. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 04:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar for citation cleanup
There's almost no more tedious and thankless task than fixing link-rot, filling in missing citation details, and normalizing citations to a single style, yet it's vital (well, maybe not the normalizing part) to the health of our articles. All the existing cite/ref/source-related awards (on all the awards pages) are for adding new citations. And the cleanup barnstar's a bit generic and over-used. And the Gnome PUA is kind of ugly, and also generic. I don't have a clear idea for graphics. Title-wise, maybe the Citation Maintenance Barnstar? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, "Citation Maintenance Barnstar" is also a good title. For the image, some potential ideas: it seems that several use a mop or broom (but maybe too cliche)?  Another idea may be a representation of text lines followed by a rather visible citation link, which could be overlayed in a rectangle on top of the star, like for the copyright or press barnstars...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:19, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm on the fence about the name; something like Normalization actually sounds better IMHO. But I work with databases a fair bit, and that's a common term there, so it may be a biased opinion on the linguistics. Maybe the "Equalization Barnstar" to keep it a little more generic/universal than 'Normalization'?


 * In any case, I definitely think a broom would work better for the image; mops are already used commonly for the Admins/Sysops awards, given that they are basically the site's janitors. Alternatively, it could be an amalgamation to clipping hedges or cutting grass; that would be equally representative of the task being performed. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 05:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Michigan Barnstar
So, I was thinkinğ that, because there's already a Minnesota Barnstar, there should be a barstar for Wikiproject Michigan with the same requirements. Michigan specifically, as opposed to any other Midwestern state, because it's my homeland, and I don't see why not. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the processes and templates used for creatinğ a barnstar, which is why I'm asking for it here. I also haven't created the image file(s) necessary yet, but I plan to have those soon if someone else doesn't already; I don't know if I should make it as a Barnstar 2.0, or otherwise, and I probably lack the photo-editing software & expertise used for making one. Anyway, thank you for considerinğ this! -User:Учхљёная (talk,philosophy,edits). 03:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This certainly sounds like a perfectly fine thing to make. I would suggest making it as a Barnstar 2.0 rather than as a Barnstar 1.0, as the end result of a Barnstar 2.0 is far more recognizable as a Barnstar than that of a Barnstar 1.0. Aside from that, go ahead! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I finished and uploaded the Barnstar 2.0 and a Textured Ribbon to accompany it, but the latter was just hastily thrown together off of the Working Wikipedians' Ribbon. What do you think? The Michigan Barnstar.pngMichigan Barnstar Ribbon 2.png -User:Учхљёная (talk,philosophy,edits). 21:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Very well done on the barnstar -- eligent, yet to the point! The ribbon is good too, but I think I can help improve that. I've been upgrading many of the existing ribbons to shadowed varients. I did File:WikiProject_Illinois_Ribbon_Shadowed.png a while back; really just upscaled the mini one that somebody else had made so they were akin. In the case of yours, I think starting with the Illinois Ribbon or something like the File:Kazakhstan Ribbon Shadowed.png could work better, and set it more apart from the Working Wikipedian Ribbon, if you'd like that. Or it could be more bold, using something like File:Copyeditor_Ribbon_Shadowed.png as a base, more of the promenent colors up front, with the barnstar color in the background. Those colors actually kinda match the red and blue in the state seal, which is kind of funny!
 * Just suggestions; every ribbon I've made is on my gallery; if you want to just pick a design and colors, I can pop off a shadowed ribbon for you to use to mint the new award with! I should ask what "Tuebor!" means though; is that latin or a slogan for the state? <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 23:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mesmerus; great job on the barnstar! Well done.
 * Apparently, "tuebor" is indeed Latin, and is the first-person singular future active indicative (whatever that means) of "tueor", which means:
 * I look or gaze at, behold, watch, view.
 * I care for, guard, defend, protect, support, compensate or make up for.
 * I uphold, keep up, maintain, preserve.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:34, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to restart this thread after a few months, but I just got-around to creatinğ the barnstar at Template:The Michigan Barnstar. So, should I just put it up on the main page then? Oh, and if you could get started on the shadowed ribbon, that's be greatly appreciated too. Thanks! -User:Учхљёная(talk,relevant directory,edits). 01:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
 * Looks good! I'm totally on board with you going ahead and posting it to the main page as you proposed. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a problem -- already done! Michigan Ribbon Shadowed.png Also went ahead and added the barnstar, your ribbon, and the shadowed one I did to WP:RIBBON, in the Awards by WikiProject Ribbons section (just under the semi-new Navarre ones). For some reason I'm seeing a rendered image, without the transparent background, but WikiCommons does have a nice, made version. Not sure what's up with that, the Navarre ribbons did it to. Curious if you see it too. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 06:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm on board with it too; it belongs just as well as other Wikiproject barnstars that get made. The merger of Other Awards is a more debatable issue; this is just a 'flag and go'. :) <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 06:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Minnesota Barnstar was created for Wikiproject Michigan. Click/follow the link to the Template for the Minnesota Barnstar that you made in your OP, and its even in the description. Methinks you missed it! ;) I cannot read, and shouldn't try to edit without caffeine. Bad things occur! <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 04:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "This barnstar recognizes editors who have made contributions towards WikiProject Minnesota or generally relating to the U.S. State of Minnesota.", I don't see any mention of Michigan, even the original suggestion doesn't contain any mention of Michigan. I don't really get your point?
 * And in reality, it was I that made the mistake of missing it! This is what happens when I try to edit without caffeine --- Minnesota != Michigan
 * Sorry about that! To answer your other question, I agree with Noah; a 2.0 Barnstar is nicer, and more recognizable, but if you feel more comfortable making a 1.0/Raster, then go for that. There are people lurking about who love converting to 2.0/vector for people! :) If you just need a pointing finger, I like Inkscape for vector work, but I always fall to GIMP for raster work (I also have Krita installed on my system, but GIMP just allows for more tools on the screen at once). <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 15:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Merge WP:Other awards
WP:Other awards should merge to WP:Barnstars, WP:User awards, and perhaps in a few cases WP:Awards by WikiProject. Everything on that page is either a barnstar or a non-barnstar user award, maybe a couple of project awards. Ergo, that page no longer has a reason to exist. It should just be merged, then redirect to WP:User awards.

See also Wikipedia talk:Barnstars 2.0. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with this, and suggest it be put to a proper vote somehow -- although I wasn't aware WP:Other awards was even a page, I spend a fair amount of time over on WP:RIBBON, and any of the ones, on all the pages SMcCandlish has linked that have ribbon equivalents are present on that one, singular page. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 05:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * your proposal seems appealing to me. I would like to understand a bit better the context. You say that the page has no longer a reason to exist. That implies that it used to have a reason. What was it? Thanks. (talk) user:Al83tito  03:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * as I understand it, the page was for all other awards that weren't barnstars but were given like barnstars. They've since become ubiquitous, however, which means they basically are barnstars (just without being in the shape of a barnstar). Although SMcCandlish may have another way of putting it, I think the idea is the same. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 06:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd like to add that I'm pretty sure that the Other Awards and User Awards (I'm not sure about Awards by WikiProject) aren't identical to barnstars, as barnstars are generally for larger tasks than Other Awards and User Awards. For example, one might give a user a cookie for a single nice task when a barnstar would be reserved for a pattern of nice tasks. I should add that I'm not against the idea of merging WP:Other awards into the pages that SMcCandlish suggested, as Other Awards are pretty much identical to User Awards in most cases (and, perhaps, to Barnstars or Awards by WikiProject in a few); I just would like to clear up what exactly is the difference between a User Award/Other Award and a barnstar before any misconceptions arise. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I admit that I'm also confused a bit by this merge request. I had the impression that User and Other were about to be merged, then noticed that Barnstars too.  I think that user/other awards are less official than barnstars and may best remain separate (perhaps that merging user and other would be a good idea, but I'm not sure about merging with barnstars).  — Paleo  Neonate  – 08:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the background explanations. So the question seems whether the "Barnstars" inclusion criteria should only be limited to awards given based on paterns of good work, or also expanded to single tasks. If the more expansive inclusion criteria is favored, the distiction could be made clear in the top paragraphs, as well as in the Table of Contents. Also, I wonder if the "barnstars" article should be renamed to "Barnstars and Other Awards".
 * One other consideration: I assume that this merge is being considered assuming that the normal guidelines of WP:SIZERULE either does not apply to wiki community articles, or this particular article is being exempted from it.
 * In general, I do lean towards favoring the merge. Thanks.(talk) user:Al83tito 16:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I always just understood 'Barnstars' to be awards for helping on the site, whether on mainspace, articles, back stuff (Wiki space, template, etc.) -- Perhaps the distinction we're looking for is barnstars for major, consistent work, and something like "horseshoes" for one-off, good contributions? Either way, it's a naming distinction and I still say it all belongs all together on one page. If we do that, we could make the alternate name page just redirect so they all have one pile to sit on. <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 06:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:STAR is already a hefty 124kB and you want to add another 10kB? Should probably look at slimming that page down, now bulking it up even further. jmho - wolf  12:52, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Would splitting out each of the three Barnstar tables into its own page—which would then be transcluded onto or linked from WP:STAR—fix the problem? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Anything but make that page larger. I"m dont really have an opinion on how to do it. I would 'oppose' any merge and 'support' any suggestion, like yours, that offers a means to lighten that page up. - wolf  01:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Topicon Barnstar & Userbox&Topicon Barnstar
I propose two barnstars: Luístro ☎️ 21:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd say the Graphic Designer's Barnstar already covers the creation of topicon artwork, and the Barnstar Creator's Barnstar (or another) could be used to cover ideas for topicons. Do you think there's something warranting a new award for this? <span style="color: #F0F; text-shadow: 0px 0px 1px #F0F, 0 0 1em #F0F;">Mesmerus &#128236; &#128247; 05:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The first is for both WikiProject Userboxes and WikiProject Topicons. It is as a multiple-barnstar for userboxes and topicons. I am more focused on adding the second, that will be for the WikiProject Topicons. I didn't understood why the Barnstar Creator's Barnstar covers topicon ideas.  Luístro  ☎️ 12:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment: WP Topicons was deleted at MFD  python coder   (talk &#124; contribs) 20:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

User researcher award
I would like to propose an award for community members who volunteer their time (and sometimes their sanity) to help others test new features. Whether a someone is building a new gadget or skin, working on redesigning a special page, or coming up with another type of new feature entirely, we (as designers and developers) rely on each others' feedback and collaboration. Looking through the WP:Awards page I am unsure if this type of award should be a type of WP:*, WP:PUA, or something else? I also played around with the "Make your own" option in the Wikilove widget, but that seems like more of a one-time solution.

The idea for this award came about through my work at the foundation, since I rely on community collaboration in order to design useful things, and am therefore often asking community members for feedback. However I imagine it being used by any type of community member (not just foundation designers).

Here are two versions of the design: — Preceding unsigned comment added by AHollender (WMF) (talk • contribs) 20:30, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
 * The award sounds like a useful one, and—as far as I can tell—it's not one that exists already, so I support the creation of this award. As to whether it should be a barnstar, PUA, or something else, I'd say that that depends on the scope of the barnstar. If it's being given as a one-time "wow, thanks for the help on this one thing" award, it should be a PUA; on the other hand, if it's being given as a "wow, thanks for having continually helped us out over the past couple of weeks with making this work", it should probably be a barnstar; and, of course, there's a whole range in-between. That's my two cents. If you have any more questions, feel free to let me know! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:48, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Submarine barnstar
I propose adding the Submarine barnstar to the topical list. Any thoughts? <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 16:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What sort of edits would this barnstar be used to reward? Since there isn't a WikiProject Submarines, I'm a bit confused; would this simply be a standalone barnstar for rewarding users who make submarine-related edits? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, this would be for editors who make significant contributions in submarine-related articles. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 13:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! With that in mind, if no one has any objections, it should probably be fine to make the barnstar, as there aren't currently any submarine-related barnstars. (I'm not exactly sure what the usecase would be due to the lack of WikiProjects related to this, but if you want to go ahead and no one complains, that should be fine.) Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:48, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Since no one has objected after ten days, I have added the barnstar. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 03:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Mathematics Barnstar
There's the E=MC^2 barnstar, but given there is a biology and chemistry barnstar, is there one for math articles? Wqwt (talk) 04:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is not, to my knowledge, a barnstar specifically for math only. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding a talk page barnstar
I would like to add a barnstar to reward editors who are great at responding to questions or debates on multiple talk pages across multiple topics A 10 fireplane (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You're in luck; there are actually a number of barnstars that could serve that purpose in slightly different circumstances! Depending on the circumstances, you might want to use any of the following barnstars:
 * The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
 * The Barnstar of Good Humor
 * The Diplomacy Barnstar
 * The Civility Barnstar
 * The Anti-Flame Barnstar
 * The Guidance Barnstar
 * The Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
 * Hopefully, one of these should serve your purpose. If not, please let me know why, and I can see if there's another barnstar that would work (or if there isn't and we indeed should create a new one).
 * Thanks!
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 15:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you, This barnstar should work A 10 fireplane (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Research proposal: The effects of specific barnstars
Those with an interest in Wikipedia awards may wish to know about the research proposal being discussed at Village_pump_(miscellaneous) <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  08:41, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Viruses Barnstar
I'd like the WikiProject Viruses Barnstar to be added to the list at Barnstars, please. --Nessie (talk) 16:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem to be redundant with any other barnstars on the list, and it seems lke a potentially useful barnstar, so I, for one, fully support this barnstar's addition. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Pending Changes Barnstar 2.0
Hi there! I made a Pending Changes Barnstar 2.0! Please give me feedback. If you think it's ready, can somebody put it into the template? (I'm very bad at template code. Sorry!) (Please ping me) – Ben79487 (talk contribs) 03:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You're in luck; a barnstar with this exact purpose already exists (namely, the Reviewer's Barnstar). While it does admittedly have a somewhat different aesthetic from the barnstar that you uploaded, if what you're looking for is simply the ability to reward outstanding contributions in reviewing pending changes, then this Reviewer's Barnstar should do the trick. (If it doesn't, let me know and I'll see what I can do to help.) Good luck! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Outstanding Barnstar
Maybe we could have an Outstanding Barnstar for editors whose participation in events is just off-the-charts (for example copyediting a lot more words than the rest in a GOCE drive). What do you think? Also, can you give any suggestions for possible icons? (P.S. Please ping me; I don't check my watchlist at all.) – Ben79487 (talk contribs) 02:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Luckily for you, we have some like those.










 * puggo (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks!  Ben 79487  00:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Numismatics Barnstar
I've created an image and template for a Numismatics barnstar: Would it be possible to get it added to the list of topical barnstars? - ZLEA  Talk \ Contribs 15:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The The Business and Economics Barnstar might help. If not, I'd personally say to go ahead and add the Numismatics barnstar. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

An anti-Wikibullying barnstar
I was recently the victim of Wikibullying and another wikieditor stood up for me on more than one occasion. For this, I think it would be appropriate to create a barnstar dedicated to anti-Wikibullying. I don't have any design ideas, however, so I'm open to suggestions. Any thoughts on this idea? werewolf (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it is a decent idea.★Trekker (talk) 10:09, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The base barnstar should be pink (but not breast cancer awareness pink to avoid confusion) as that is the color of Anti-Bullying Day. I'm not sure what the other features of the barnstar should be, though. -  ZLEA  T \ C 12:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How does pink with a shield icon over it (symbolically representing the awardee's defense of someone else) sound? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 13:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this design sounds awesome.★Trekker (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Anti-Wikibullying Barnstar.png drafted up a design (right). How does this look? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I like it, but maybe move the shield a tiny bit lower.★Trekker (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Now that I see it, the purple base barnstar works as it looks like a variation of the Purple Barnstar, which is awarded to victims of Wikibullying. - ZLEA  T \ C 23:20, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I love it! How do we officially add it to the list? werewolf (talk) 01:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless anyone objects, I think it can be added to the list now. - ZLEA  T \ C 13:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I still think the shield should be moved a little tiny bit lower, but other than that I think it's great!★Trekker (talk) 14:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, I tried moving the shield a bit lower for you. How does it look now? (If this doesn't render properly, try clicking through to the barnstar on Commons and/or purging the page cache. Hopefully that should work.) Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it should be added now.★Trekker (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like added the barnstar to the list earlier, and I just made the template for it, so I think everything should be pretty good with this now. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I thought it was completed. Does the image need to be updated on the Barnstars page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revirvlkodlaku (talk • contribs) 23:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

You don't need to update the image, as the new image was uploaded as a new version of the old file under the same name. - ZLEA  T \ C 23:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for the help, and sorry I'm still so new to all this :) werewolf (talk) 02:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for those who put great effort into adding short descriptions onto articles?
I have a friend who does this a lot, I think there should be a barnstar for it.★Trekker (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Design idea: Similar to a normal barnstar but with short arms. -  ZLEA  T \ C 19:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Freaking genius, I need this. He'll be so happy! :)★Trekker (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Short Description Barnstar Hires.png just made a potential design for this barnstar (see right). How's this for an initial design? [[User:Noah Kastin|Noah Kastin]] (talk) (🖋) 04:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Very cute!★Trekker (talk) 10:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I guess that means that, if no one has any complaints pretty soon, we can implement this. My only question on the design whether this would count as a Barnstar 1.0 or a Barnstar 2.0, given its atypical design, but one that is still based on the Barnstar 2.0. Any thoughts? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I fully support this proposal. I can't find any other barnstars in this domain that are anywhere near this specific, and this seems like a good use case for a barnstar, so I'm with this all the way. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, I love your use of a pen for your edit links. Very clever.★Trekker (talk) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ^-^ Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What would we call this barnstar? I called the image "Short Description Barnstar Hires" as a prototype name, but I still am not sure what anyone else would be interested in naming this. If anyone has any thoughts on this, please let me know! (I have no attachment to my prototype name, so any suggestions are welcome.) Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the name is fine, straight to the point. But if someone else has any other ideas I'm open.★Trekker (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Unless anyone has anything else to add I feel like we should be able to add it now.★Trekker (talk) 10:08, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Added. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

and, I've created a new version of the Short Descriptions Barnstar. The most obvious change I've made is the color, as the original brown color might be mistaken for the Minor Barnstar. I've also down-sized the barnstar as the original kind of looks like a barnstar with a big center rather than short arms. I haven't uploaded the image as a new version of File:Short Description Barnstar Hires.png yet as I want to know what you think. - ZLEA  T \ C 21:09, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I like it, I think you're right that it's good that it won't be confused with the Minor Barnstar.★Trekker (talk) 08:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded the image as a new version of File:Short Description Barnstar Hires.png. - ZLEA  T \ C 21:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I like this version better than my original design, so I'm happy for it to become the new official version of the barnstar. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 13:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

More project specific barnstars?
I think there should be more of these, there are many people who spend most of their time working on projects within a specific WikipediaProjects and I think it would be nice to have barnstars for those. I have a friend who does amazing jobs on horror fiction articles and I think he's really earned recognition for that. There are some peoject specific ones at Barnstars 2.0/Awards by WikiProject but I think we can expand it.
 * Some projects I think should have Barnstars
 * WikiProject Horror
 * WikiProject Military history
 * WikiProject Anthroponymy
 * WikiProject Professional wrestling
 * WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome

Among others. How do you feel?★Trekker (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This reminded me to check, and it seems that WikiProject Skepticism also lacks one. — Paleo  Neonate  – 16:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * These seem like a reasonably good idea. The first three and the last all seem to have project icons, so that should make things easier. I'm not sure how much time I or anyone else will have to design all of these barnstars, though, so if these could be prioritized somewhat, that would help for me at least in trying to figure out which ones to make first if I get a chance to do so. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 17:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you make these?★Trekker (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I use Adobe Photoshop. However, it's not free, and a popular alternative is GIMP. -  ZLEA  T \ C 18:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I mostly use GraphicConverter—which is apparently pretty much free these days—to orient pictures, change their size, crop parts, adjust their colors, etc. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

The Biography Barnstar

 * Biography Barnstar New.png I agree with your point that this barnstar is not equally representative of all subjects; this is historically why barnstars such as the Running Man and Working Man barnstars have become the Running Wikipedian and Working Wikipedian barnstars, respectively. However, as with said barnstars, I would far prefer that there be one barnstar with a single, gender-neutral icon and a parameter to modify the name to the gender of the subject (if such a parameter is necessary, which it may not be for this barnstar given that the problem with this barnstar is the icon, not the name) than that there be multiple barnstars serving the same purpose save for the gender in the barnstar. As such, since I'd like if we could have one barnstar that fits all genders, I'd like to propose that we simply change the barnstar image to the barnstar seen to the right of my post here. Please let me know what you think of simply changing the main Biography Barnstar to this. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:35, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea, since it would save having, say, white man, white woman, black man, black woman, asian man, asian woman, etc etc etc variations. On the other hand, since there's a concerted effort being made on articles about women, a specifically female barnstar would make some sense. Grutness... wha?   11:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Given your point that there is indeed this effort (as is proven by Wikiproject Women), I agree that a barnstar specifically for this effort is most likely in order. However, there appears to be a precedent for creating individual barnstars, disassociated from the main star, where the topic of said barnstar has a concerted effort (see for example the music barnstar and the emo star, or the Barnstar of National Merit and the PRC Barnstar or even the Michigan barnstar). As such, I'd suggest that the barnstar for the effort on women's articles follow this trend and specifically be a topical barnstar for Wikiproject Women rather than being a derivative of the biography star, as being a derivative does not accurately represent what the star is being used for while being a Women project star likely would represent its usage more accurately. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 09:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point. A specific topic-related barnstar might be the better way to go. Grutness... wha?   11:00, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * How about something like this?


 * PS - I've mentioned this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women, so hopefully some of those involved in that project will add some input on the idea. Grutness... wha?   11:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Given that I can't find any official logo, catchphrase, or other visual or linguistic items that act as identifiers for the project, this could definitely work as a barnstar for the project. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Given that it's been over two weeks and there still hasn't been any feedback on this topic from WikiProject Women or from other editors of this project, I think it's safe to just implement the Goddess Barnstar now, so I'll go ahead and do that when I get a chance to do so. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 19:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, done., if you wouldn't mind looking at the Goddess Barnstar's entry at WP:Barnstars, I'd like to know what you think of it and if there's anything we should change. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me - many thanks! Grutness... wha?   06:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that the current image is somewhat lacking, but I see no reason to change it on gender or racial lines. PrussianOwl (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

New numismatics award
I created a new award for WikiProject Numismatics. My plan is to replace the current barnstar with this and create other versions of the "WikiDollar" for more specific awards. - ZLEA  T \ C 23:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind this existing as a 1.0 version of the Numismatics barnstar, which currently doesn't have a 1.0 version. I'd be leery of replacing the 2.0 version, though, as 2.0 barnstars are supposed to hold to a set of standards so that they can all be easily identified as barnstars, and the WikiDollar conforms to none of these standards for 2.0 stars. However, like I said, if you'd like to implement this as the Numismatics Barnstar 1.0 (as 1.0 barnstars have no such strict standards), I'd be fine with that.
 * Alternatively, if you're considering making a series of WikiDollars that 1) will span across many fields and 2) may be intended for things less grand than the "long-standing pattern of excellence" that barnstars are designed to be awarded for, you might consider simply introducing a new award type. Many already exist, and some (e.g. the WikiCookie) are already widely used, so you could definitely get a shot and making your WikiDollar something well-known, well-loved, and well-used even if you don't want it to exactly be for barnstar purposes.
 * Let me know what you think of these ideas. I'd be happy to get your feedback on my suggestions for your idea.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 14:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ideas, you're right, the WikiDollar isn't a barnstar, and prpbably shouldn't be treated as such. This should probably be listed at Awards by WikiProject instead. -  ZLEA  T \ C 17:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha, that image is hilarious.<abbr title="Awesome face" style="border-bottom: none;">718smiley.svg — Paleo Neonate  – 18:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - ZLEA  T \ C 18:33, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Requesting consensus
Hello, I've created the Padlock Barnstar. I'm requesting consensus to add the Barnstar to WP:BARN. I've added the critera to the template via "Awarded to any administrator who secures Wikipedia by placing a padlock." — JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I like it.★Trekker (talk) 18:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ★Trekker. Thnx, I just finished correcting some typos on the criteria. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea of a barnstar awarded to admins who make good locking decisions seems like a good idea (as long as people don't consider it to overlap too much with the Admin's barnstar as discussed below). One thing I would say though is that a barnstar is supposed to be awarded for a pattern of excellence, not a single occurrence of it, so I'd suggest changing this from a barnstar for placing a lock on a single pace to a barnstar for making a long series of good locking decisions (or, if you really would like to be able to award this for single decisions, I'd suggest putting it at WP:PUA instead of as a barnstar). Aside from that, though, the idea seems fine to me. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 15:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The The Admin's Barnstar currently covers all admin-specific actions. I don't think we need a separate award for any one specific admin action.  If a new user group is created that allows non-admins to protect pages, then I would be happy to support a separate award, but until then, I think The Admin's Barnstar is all that is needed. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 18:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ZLEA I can't beleive you just removed my response to ★Trekker. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, there was another edit conflict after I resolved the first one and I must have missed that. Your comment has been restored. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 18:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ZLEA Thank you. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ZLEA I just think the admins would want something more new than the Admin Barnstar. I'm not saying they don't appreciate it, but they have to display The Admin Mop anyways on their user page. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Although I doubt a user would award an admin this award for simply protecting a page, and would be more likely to award The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar if the protection was to deter vandalism, I now see a use for this award. I noticed that there is currently no award for resolving edit wars, and this could be awarded to admins who protect "edit war-zones".  I now support the addition of this award. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 19:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Whenever someone removes someone elses comment it's almost always a mistake.★Trekker (talk) 19:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't get the sense that everything added to the list has achieved consensus for inclusion. As such, as long as it's not directly redundant, I've not problem with something being added. Doing good work responding to RPP seems specific enough and I don't think it's a problem that we already have an admin's barnstar. The real step is being included in the Wikilove module, which I imagine is how most people find/give these awards. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 19:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Rhododendrites, ZLEA I think both of your suggestions can be clarified in the criteria. I would also like to add in for "preventing further vandalism." — JudeccaXIII (talk) 14:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I should note that most barnstars added in the last couple of years at least have either achieved consenus or the closest thing thereof (i.e. if no one responded within a week or so, or following the opinion of the one who responded). Although most barnstars in this time have been uniformly approved, there have been cases where barnstars have been refused; for example, in this case back from July 2017, the editor proposing the barnstar probed unconstructive enough that the barnstar failed to go through. That said, the vast majority of proposed barnstars have gone through with little to no hassle, but they have had consensus or something close before implementation, so there is a precedent for that. I can provide examples of this consensus precedent if need be. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 15:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Burning bright barnstar
Out of curiosity, I got back into png/svg editing again, and I'm really starting to enjoy it this time. Here's my first barnstar:



I also made an alternative image for Account creators:



— JudeccaXIII (talk) 01:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice barnstars! :D
 * Given that the account creators image isn't technically a barnstar, you might add it as an alternate image to Template:ACCbarnstar (but not to WP:*), or just add it as its own award to WP:PUA. Either way, though, I'd certainly be happy to see this used. However you want to go, I can help out with the syntax if need be.
 * What's the Burning Bright Barnstar for? I can think of a lot of great uses for it, but I'm not sure which one you intended. If you could clarify precisely what it was intended to be a barnstar for, that would be greatly appreciated! (Granted, there might already be a barnstar for that, but it would still be good to know so we can go from there.)
 * Thanks in advance for any responses, and thanks for posting the pretty images! ^_^
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Noah Kastin Accountcreatoruser2019.png is meant for info box/topicon. I know how to make the info box/topicon but not the documentation/syntax so I prefer someone else instead such as yourself. And the barnstar is meant for as per description: "Barnstar awarded to editors contributing almost every day for at least five years." I also made a new barnstar for admins who place padlocks on articles:



— JudeccaXIII (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the delay in responding to you. Here are my responses to your items:
 * Thank you for clarifying the account creator award; it makes much more sense as a topicon award than a barnstar. I can see a lot of use in that.
 * The Burning Bright Barnstar seems like a good award as well. Given its very large required timespan of activity compared to a normal barnstar, I'm iffy on whether it should be a normal barnstar or a personal user award, but since I could see it going well either way, I'll be behind whatever you pick.
 * My thoughts on the padlock barnstar can be seen in the discussion below, along with others' thoughts on the topic.
 * Sorry again for the wait. I hope this managed to be worthwhile regardless.
 * Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 15:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Noah Kastin It's not a big issue. In fact, I'm going to postpone the progress of the Barnstar and do some improvements. After I'm done with it, the Barnstar will have a purpose that's not too obscure. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds cool. Looking forward to that! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Global warming and climate change barnstar

 * UPDATE-- during this thread, I uploaded a replacement with a transparent background NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Recently an inactive task force at project Environment woke up and converted itself into a standalone project, WP:WikiProject Climate change. We would like to submit a topic/project barnstar for approval. This barnstar is intended for anyone - not just project participants - who make outstanding contributions to the project, articles within the project's scope, or increase global warming and climate change awareness in the Wikipedia community. I tried to follow the Barnstar 2.0 guideline. So.... there you go. Now what? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I love it! Looks great!★Trekker (talk) 00:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The background is not transparent. Some Barnstars have been made with white backgrounds but the goal is to avoid that bad habit. Plus, there is already an Environmental Barnstar. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 12:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Backround can easily be fixed. As for there being another barnstar, I don't see how that matters much, global warming is a major subcategory of the enviroment.★Trekker (talk) 12:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * @JudeccaXIII....
 * (A) Transparency - That's strange, I thought the background was transparent when I uploaded. Thanks, I will look again and upload a replacement.
 * (B) Environment barnstar - Yes, it exists. It is listed under Project Envirornment at WikiProject_Environment/Templates.  Many years ago a climate change task force formed under that project's auspices.  From before 2011 (my arrival in the subject area) until recently the task force was inactive.   A rush of interest from new subject editors resulted in a much-discussed consensus to "convert" the task force into a full-fledged project in its own right.  One goal of creating a new barnstar, esecially for the new editors in the subject area, is WP:Editor retention. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * While I don't believe in global warming or man-made climate change, I do think that the topic deserves its own barnstar. I would suggest that the earth be centered on the barnstar, similar the Environmental Barnstar. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 12:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being unbiased.★Trekker (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 13:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed! As I've been struggling to make a transparent background I was wondering to myself whether being award the barnstar for neutrality would be appreciated!NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that is a wonderful idea!★Trekker (talk) 13:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * What software are you using to create the barnstar? - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 14:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I saw your comment on the file. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 14:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I photoshopped a new version of the barnstar with a transparent background. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 14:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks I finally figured out (in 2013 publisher) to just select the two imported icons and use "save as picture" instead of saving the whole thing (file-Export-changefiletype).  To my eye, the larger earth-flame icon looks better larger and more centered.  That is not the earth.... it is the earth-plus-flame.   When the earth is smaller, and "haloed" by the brown circle in the center of the original barnstar, the whole thing sort of fades in terms of impact.  With the earth-flame icon centered, and a bit bigger, its more obviously about the subject.  Of course,this is in the eye of the beholder. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

The Anarchist Barnstar
I've made the Anarchist Barnstar to cover anything related to Anarchism. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 00:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I plan to give this to all sorts of people who don't deserve it and there's nothing you can do about it! Bwwwwwwaaaaa haha   NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)  just kidding
 * NewsAndEventsGuy I assume you're pleased with it. I really like how this one turned out. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure looks good! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Assuming good faith
Is there a barnstar for assuming good faith? Benjamin (talk) 04:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe the Civility Barnstar covers AGF. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 12:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I think there should be one specifically for assuming good faith. Benjamin (talk) 00:39, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I concur with <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b>, the Civility Barnstar is enough. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 01:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Everyone is right. Civility or even the generic work, and will make the recipient happy.  But there are so blessed many variations that another won't hurt anything and will make the creator/artist happy and in some small way might help cultivate an AGF culture.  I tried to whip one out, but didn't have any good ideas.  None of the ways I arranged the letters AGF looked good.  ANyway thanks for a good, good faith idea, Benjamin.  Do you have design ideas? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an olive branch? But idk, I feel like that might imply that there's some conflict when there's not. This is quite tricky. Benjamin (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

The Thelema Barnstar
Made this Barnstar to cover Thelema. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 23:10, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but I'd make the ring slightly smaller.★Trekker (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

★Trekker I had reduced the ring as you requested, but it was no longer visible once I uploaded. I reuploaded the Barnstar again but without the ring this time. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I didn't mean "the ring" as in the contour of the symbol but the round symbol itself. Should have been more clear.★Trekker (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ★Trekker, Done. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks awesome!★Trekker (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2019 (UTC)