Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 8

Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Greetings!

Today I felt a really strong urge to vandalize several articles on Wikipedia, but I restrained myself. I was wondering if this would warrant an anti-vandalism (or some other) barnstar. If I am indeed eligible, would someone award me said barnstar?

Thanks! Jdrrmk (talk) 02:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have actually made vandalism in the past but can now restrain yourself then you could "award" yourself User Reformed Vandal (not a barnstar). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But, I technically didn't vandalize...I was on the verge of doing so, but didn't. Is there some sort of reformed hypothetical vandal award? Jdrrmk (talk) 02:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't exactly sound like award material to me but you are free to make a new userbox for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just did, thanks!Jdrrmk (talk) 02:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * User Reformed Vandal is transcluded on many pages so please don't change it. You can copy a modified version to your user page as you apparently just did. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * oops! Sorry, I am kind of new here, obviously Jdrrmk (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Wiki-link Barnstar
I have created a barnstar to be awarded to users who add useful wikilinks or remove unnecessary wikilinks in articles.

Any comments? Neptune 5000 ( talk ) 22:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the image should be re-made into a barnstar with blue and  symbols around it, and a regular (smaller) barnstar. It would make for a cleaner image and it would be more obvious what the barnstar means. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I added the and  symbols in the barnstar image.  Neptune 5000  ( talk ) 23:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I just added it in the list of barnstars. → Neptune 5000 ( talk ) 23:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The brackets are pretty messy. Perhaps if they were the same size and shape on both sides?  I also agree that the barnstar image should be changed, either to the Original Barnstar, or the Editor's barnstar (which is also blue).  This one is too dark, and a little messy; it draws attention away from the brackets, which are what really get the point across.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the brackets are a bit messy. I guess the different sizes won't hurt (I actually like that) but it'd be good if they were umm... maybe neat? C h a m a l  talk work 15:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So, were you planning on doing anything about those brackets? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

How?
I am considering joining, but exatly how to I make a custom Barnstar Award? Please reply on my talk page. Thank you, Back to the MacMan32 21:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Backtothemacman32 (talk • contribs)

Geog proposal
I'm not really sure what has happened here, so here it a quick, simple proposal for a replacement image for the Geography Barnstar (note: a bit stereotypical)



This proposal might need a bit of a cleanup. Simply south (talk) 21:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good! I'm not sure if we'd be ok to replace the globe icon with say Image:Nuvola filesystems www.png? It's got my support eitherway! --Jza84 |  Talk 23:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I could try that in a new image. If anyone is interested if they visit here, the Interlingual Barnstar was the one that got deleted, so a new image is needed.



(personally i prefer the original one). Simply south (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad someone is making sure that there is something for a geography barnstar, but seriously, these are week compared to that old globe one we had before. It was probably the coolest barnstar on the project.  What happened to it? Unschool (talk) 16:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What did it look like? Simply south (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

WAA Merged
As a result of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WAA, a new award has been merged in here. Thank you, — xaosflux  Talk  02:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Double Barnstar?
I was looking for an appropriate award for User:Remember who came up with the idea of having the double (McCain/Obama) Today's Featured Article on election day (Nov.4,2008). I was thinking a double barnstar might be appropriate. I'm totally clueless on graphics. Could somebody put 2 basics together (overlapped might be better than side-by-side, or maybe over/under like the TFA) or suggest another appropriate barnstar? Any help appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I would suggest either the What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar ( message ~ ), which is designed for people who come up with a particularly elegant solution to a tricky problem, or the Main Page Barnstar ( message ~ ), which is designed for people who make excellent sontributions to the mainpage. Both appear below.  Hope that helps!  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)





Transport
Does anyone know if a transport award has been introduced? If not, should i try and design one? Simply south (talk) 15:06, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What would a transport award be for? Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For people who do good work in the transport area. Those who expand Wikipedia's coverage of the different transport and other things in that area. A general barnstar or award. Simply south (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean people who improve articles on truck driving and stuff? Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you do, I would make sure you post it on this page: Awards by WikiProject.  Since WikiProject Transport allready exists, I would discuss making a barnstar for their subject there with them rather than here with us; they are the ones who focus on the subject, after all.  Bear in mind also that barnstars allready exist for some of their sub-projects, so you may want to draw some inspiration from their designs.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

New Barnstar Help
I have made a new barnstar for my wikiproject, I've uploaded but I am not sure how to publish and make it official. Could anyone please give me some advice or directions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P.Marlow (talk • contribs) 19:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you created a template yet? If not, go to the template page for one of the existing barnstars (like Template:The Original Barnstar), copy the information and use it to create your own template page by replacing the image and text.  When that is finished, add it to the appropriate alphabetical section of this page:  Awards_by_WikiProject.  Does that help?  What wikiproject is it for?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Judging by your contributions page, you have made a Barnstar of National Merit for Wikiproject:Bulgaria. That being the case, you should instead add it here:  Barnstars/Barnstar of National Merit.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, you have been of great help and I am really grateful. I made a template,, and have added it on the appropriate page, and since I have also made a ribbon alternative award I will make a template for that and find the appropriate listings page.P.Marlow (talk) 20:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar'o'Lantern
I just discovered this WikiProject, and I'm hopeful that someone here can help my graphic-poor self. The recently-created Halloween WikiProject already has members going above and beyond to upgrade content in this area, which is traditionally neglected but for a couple of weeks a year. I would love for such members to be able to receive a "Barnstar'o'Lantern" to commemorate their efforts, but it's utterly and completely beyond my skills. If anyone has a desire to lend a hand, please let me know, thank you!--otherlleft (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How amusing that you seem to have started it up anyway despite a distinct lack of consensus at the relevant discussion at the Wikiproject Council. I, for one, will not be assisting you since I am still opposed to the existance of such a Wikiproject, as its focus is far, far too narrow (it MIGHT be OK as a Task Force of Wikiproject Holidays, if it needs to exist at all).  Still, I'm sure that one of the other editors here will be happy to assist you.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I read the guidelines there quite carefully; rather than calling for consensus, they ask for sufficient interest (five or ten editors) in order to begin a project. Moreover, proposing a project there is a opportunity to identify if there is sufficient interest, as the WikiProject Council does not denote policy.  I certainly do appreciate your willingness to make your misguided biases evident, though!  Cheers!--otherlleft (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, and I'm sorry. I was having a rough day yesterday, and was acting very rudely.  Please accept my apology.  I also make the following peace offering- if you like it, use it; if not, I understand totally.  I'm not the greatest graphics guy, but I took a crack at it.  If you like the image, I'll make the appropriate template page for you.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It takes a strong editor to revert one's own thinking - I hope to be able follow your example when (not if) I post something I later regret. Thank you for your efforts - WP:BOO would be pleased to use it! I will immediately seek consensus on your design!--otherlleft (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, and thanks for the compliment. :-)  Nutiketaiel (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Consensus having been reached, we're willing to take you up on your offer of a proper template.--otherlleft (talk) 13:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. The template is Template:Halloween Barnstar, the string to use it is message ~, and it has been included in the directory on Awards_by_WikiProject. I'm glad that you guys liked it. Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with, and good luck with your new Wikiproject. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

New Admin barnstar
Here's the deal: I am unsatisfied with the current selection of barnstars for admins. There are many for different topics, but everytime I want to honor some admin I think did a particularly good admin-y decision or who just sacrificed their whole afternoon cleaning some nasty backlog, I find that there is no barnstar which just honors that they did a great job with the tools. So here I am, proposing such (disclaimer: Yes, I am an admin, but I am not doing this to get more barnstars for myself ;-)): So, what do you think? :-)  So Why  21:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We allready have the Wikipedia Administrator Award, and the da Vinci Barnstar was also intended to be given to Admins who do a good job. Why do we need another?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I wanted to have a barnstar, not an award, to complement the ones we have already. The Admin Award is, in my understanding, for extraordinary greatness, while I want something simple yet caring for day-to-day great work. And the "da Vinci Barnstar" is, so it says and so I see it, for technical contributions (bots, scripts, etc.).  So Why  23:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The description for the da Vinci Barnstar on the Barnstar Page includes the phrase "This award may also be given to Cabalists, Mediators and Arbitrators - whose work is essential to the functioning of Wikipedia." However, your point is valid- it would make sense to have a Barnstar for Admins in the manner you describe.  OK, I support.  Your image is nice, but the colors seem a little... washed out.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, the image. Well, I am not good with images, I just took out a bit of color from the original barnstar so the admin symbol can be seen clearly. You are welcome to create a better version! :-)  So Why  21:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I think even if the "da Vinci Barnstar" includes "sysop work", we should/could transfer this reason for barnstars to this new one to use the "da Vinci" one for people who create scripts and tools and suchlike and not for those who just use them. Regards  So Why  21:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense. And I agree with your suggestion about transfering that portion from da Vinci to this new Barnstar.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Since noone else commented, I decided to be bold and just add it. Thanks for your input, Nutiketaiel, I appreciate it. Regards  So Why  22:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Pleased that I could be of assistance. Please let me know if there's anything else that I can do.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar for teamwork
It surprised me that there's no barnstar to reward teamwork, so I whipped this up. It could be given to individuals, or better yet, placed on the talk page of an article that's been edited by people whose views differ yet worked together and achieved compromise. --Ja Ga talk 19:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. The Half Barnstars allready exist for two individuals who work well together, so I guess there's no harm in creating one for larger teams working together, though I'm not sure that putting it on the talk page of the article is the greatest idea- probably better to just put it on the talk page of each participant being awarded.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea and not a bad design. Simply south (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a logical continuation of the Half Barnstar. Great idea and I like the design :-) You might want to rename it to "The Teamwork Barnstar" though. Imho that would sound better. Regards  So Why  22:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, the Teamwork Barnstar does sound better. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --Ja Ga talk 20:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Question
I came here looking for a "reviewers" barnstar, i.e. someone who has reviewed a good article or featured article, but I could not find one. Could one be created? I think it would be nice to acknowledge all those editors who spend their time reviewing articles, thoughts?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  03:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We currently have awards for good reviewers; see Other_awards et al. --Eustress (talk) 03:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion 
 * Actually, there is no barnstar that really fulfills what I'm really looking for. The best one I found is the "The Content Review Medal of Merit", but that doesn't really sum up what I want. That one says, "...can be given for significant contributions". I'm just looking for a casual barnstar for a GA review, not significant contributions. Could a simple, "Good Article Reviewer" award be made? Or something along those lines?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  10:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I'm not sure I understand. You want a barnstar for anyone who makes comments at a GA Review?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, lol. I'm looking for a barnstar for a GA reviewer, but not someone who has given "significant contributions" to several reviews. The barnstar (I want) is for someone who has reviewed only a few good articles. Does that make more sense?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  04:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So... you want an award for someone who has made insignificant contributions? Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Why do I get the feeling that you are giving me the cold shoulder? I am simply asking if a barnstar could be made for someone who has reviewed only several good articles. Of course, if you are reviewing an article, then you are giving "significant contributions". So, I want an award for "significant contributions" to several good article reviews. The current awards for reviewers are either for FA reviews (The Reviewers Award), those who have significantly contributed to several good articles (The Good Article Medal of Merit), and those who have given significant contributions to any aspect of the content review process (The Content Review Medal of Merit). I guess I want a simpler version of the The Good Article Medal of Merit; maybe something like "The Good Article Reviewer Award". Does that clear things up, or am I still a little vague?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  01:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's got to be a plethora of barnstars that fit your criteria: editor's, minor, diligence, etc. You can always award a Special Barnstar and state your rationale for the award in your description. --Eustress (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess that's probably the best way to go. Thanks for your help,  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  03:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"WAA"
Do we really need the link to the Wikipedia Administrator's Award on the project's main page? We already have a link to Other awards, which is where it is stored. Why does that specific award need to be singled out? Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Thankfulness for Minor Things Needing to Thanked For
(addition by User:The New Mikemoral)
 * ...ummm, ever heard of the Minor Barnstar? --Eustress (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Eustress, there are a plethora of existing Barnstars covering appreciation for a wide variety of specific topics, and the Original Barnstar, Special Barnstar and Minor Barnstar that can be used for general thanks, not to mention non-Barnstar ways to say thanks for little things, like the Wikicookie. I don't think a "Barnstar of Thankfulness for Minor Things Needing to Thanked For" is necessary or called for, nor is the image itself very well done.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move

 * The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I would like to propose a move for this to WikiProject Wikipedia Awards, or something similar. I wish to disambiguate this as I plan to propose an WikiProject in its place, whos scope is the numerous award related articles that exist. There are only 100 or so pages that link here and it wouldn't take long to AWB them to the correct place. There are currently alot of awards pages (e.g. most national sports awards, Royal Society awards etc.). I saw it mentioned here that was no real suitable WikiProject for general awards, as the scope of WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals does no allow the inclusion of such articles. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  15:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Move per nom or to WikiProject Wikimedia Awards as alt. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Move: I agree that a move makes sense, especially in order to accommodate your new WikiProject. But I still wish there were some way to make more distinction between the two, as it will likely get confusing for some. --Eustress (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That is easy enough. At the top of the page, either of or  . I'll just add this now. Simply south not SS, sorry 18:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Move per nom. In addition the title is somewhat deceptive; it is not, for example a WikiProject to do with award-based articles as the title suggests (nobody would suggest WikiProject Iron miaden is to do with stringing individual editors up, for example) and should be moved to a more appropriate location.Ironholds (talk) 14:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Science Fiction Barnstar
As there are barnstars for other subjects and topics, I propose a science fiction barnstar. --j@5h+u15y@nClick Here for a random page... 17:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like that. Un sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe have a barnstar with either a green alien head or a flying saucer?-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 05:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I made a possible science fiction barnstar. I've done it in three different colors. Feedback for which color to use would be greatly appreciated. [[File:SiFi_Barnstar_Blue.png]] [[File:SiFi_Barnstar_Green.png]] [[File:SiFi_Barnstar_Purple.png]]
 * However, since I'm new-ish, I have no clue how to go about making a template for this. If someone could explain it to me, I would be much obliged. <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 06:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I really appreciate that you took the time to do this. But (and this is just me; I'm interested in what others think) it doesn't "work" for me.  That's not constructive criticism, I know, but it's all I have to offer.  Maybe others will embrace it, though, so don't give up hope.  (By the way, if others do like it, I vote for the green swirls.  Green is the ultimate sci-fi color, methinks.)  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  06:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The circles were supposed to denote that the star was being beamed into the spaceship. Any idea of how I could communicate that better?
 * Also, I just found this project a few days ago; I'm curious, is posting to the talk page in fact the proper procedure, or should I go somewhere else next time? <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 11:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, posting on the talk page is fine. And I think that these Barnstars look pretty cool; I like the green one best.  As for creating a template, it's simple.  Just go to the template page of one of the existing Barnstars (I suggest Template:The Editor's Barnstar).  Go to edit the page, and copy everything on it.  Then, go to a new template page (for your purposes, probably Template:SciFi Barnstar or something similiar), go to create the page, copy in the information from the other template and replace the image with your new one (remember to keep the size parameter the way it is) and change any references to the "Editor's Barnstar" to the "Science Fiction Barnstar."  Finally, go to BARN and add it in.  Voila, new Barnstar.  Now just sit back and rake in the royalties.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Makes sense. Green it is. <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Repeats
The Teamwork and Half Barnstars have essentially the same function. Something needs to be done to distinguish between the two or the newest one (teamwork) should be removed. --Eustress (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not think they do, see the Teamwork barnstar's discussion. The half BSs are for two people overcoming their differences and working together, like when to people with different POVs were fighting and then worked together. The teamwork BS is for those cases when multiple people collaborated, for example in article improvement drives. I think both have their specific uses and we should not eliminate anything. Regards  So Why  20:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I see the award's description has been changed to be a "logical continuation of the half barnstar." Let's just remove the half barnstar from the page then. You could give the teamwork barnstar to two people just as easily. --Eustress (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Order of the Days
Can we remove the Order of the Day link from the Awards mainpage or somehow say it is defunct. It is no longer awarded and doesn't deserve the prominent place it gets on the page and on Template:barnstarpages. --Eustress (talk) 23:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Mensch Barnstar
I removed the above barnstar from the main page and its author (User:Shirulashem) believes it should be listed. Your comments are welcome.

While I believe a barnstar for integrity would be useful, by simply looking at this barnstar, you have no idea what it is for. In its current state, it would appear a boutique barnstar for the Hebrew-speaking / Jewish community, which is fine, but it would be more appropriately listed on WP:Personal user awards. I feel that it would have to be changed drastically in order to be listed on WP:BS, which currently only includes general, wiki-space, topical, and category barnstars. --Eustress (talk) 01:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mensch is one of those words that has been adopted by English speakers, and it made its way into the English dictionary in the 19th century. It's certainly not a word that's used solely by the Jewish community ... it's just where the etymology traces itself to. I didn't see any barnstar that covered a "mensch", so I thought it was appropriate. To directly address Eustress's point, I wouldn't have any idea what most barnstars are just by looking at them. In any event, no hard feelings if the community feels it doesn't belong. <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  02:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a way the star can reflect "mensch" without the Jewish text? That would correct a lot of the problem.-- Gen. Bedford  his Forest 02:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This had to come up after I left my computer that has photoshop? Just kidding. ;-) I'll re-work shortly to give some more options. <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  02:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Proposal # 2: [[Image:Mensch2.png]] <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  20:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Proposal # 3: [[Image:Mensch5.png]] <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  21:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I like #3 the best, but I still am concerned about it being called the "Mensch" barnstar because that is not English, it's Yiddish as indicated on its article page. I'd rather it be called the Barnstar of Integrity, etc. It could stand as is just fine on WP:Other awards, but in order to fit in on this page, I think it needs to be more generalizable in design and name. --Eustress (talk) 02:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I think I agree. I'll add the mensch's barnstar to WP:Other awards and the barnstar of integrity to Barnstars. Sound good? on a related note, how many times have you been tempted to abbreviate barnstar as BS? hehe <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  02:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the 2 barnstars. Please feel free, of course, to improve. <font color="#2B3856"> shirulashem  <font color="#2B3856"> (talk)  02:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Standardising ribbons
Is there anyway we can standardise the ribbons of wiki-awards? There is a huge collection and they all look different. I believe it would be better if they were all the same size and only one ribbon per award. Would this be possible or is it a bad idea? <font color="#7A60F8">Gaia Octavia Agrippa <font color="#C560F8">Talk | <font color="#6093F8">Sign 12:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a great suggestion. Would you like to take the first stab at it? --Eustress (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The ribbons should probably also link to the relevant barnstar/award –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 19:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ribbons should not be standardized. <em style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:White;background:red">Hereford 20:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The First Barnstar
I don't know if my award will be accepted... If it not, sorry for wasting your time. <font face="Rockwell"> pedro  joão 20:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Seems a bit silly to award a barnstar to wikipedians, just because they joined Wikipedia! <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  20:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. Awards have a certain reason they exist: They are to award, to congratulate someone on a job well done. Giving them out for free diminishes the value of all other awards in the worst case. Regards  So Why  21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose per previous reasons, but your heart was in the right place.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 01:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

A nice thought, but it would take away some, if not all, of the excitement that many editors feel when they get their first earned Barnstar. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 22:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - This kind of award waters down the Barnstar concept. It makes them less meaningful when they are received for something legitimate.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect We already have service awards for tenure and contributions, starting at Service awards, does that meet the need you identified?  Were <font color="FFA500">Spiel <font color="FFC0CB">Chequers  12:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Supportgood idea. <em style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:White;background:red">Hereford 20:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

How do I...
...get a Barnstar? I made a long User page. Does that count?-Warriorscourge (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a barnstar for excellent user pages, but you may want to consult some of its recipients' user pages to see the caliber of user pages that are receiving such awards. If you are looking to obtain any type of award, keep in mind that others will see your work and contribution as you contribute more to mainspace pages. Also, you are relatively new to Wikipedia, so have patience and keep up the good work. There are a couple userboxes that you can post on your user page if you want to help editors keep an award in mind (e.g., User:Basketball110/Barn, user Barnstaraward), but the best kinds of awards are the ones that aren't sought. --Eustress (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

...send someone or award someone a Barnstar? I feel my friend has earned it and I want to send him one. --AlexSeibz (talk) 13:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just place the template with an appropriate message on that user's talk page. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Law barnstar?
Would anyone like to take up the challenge of designing a good looking law barnstar?  Wik idea  12:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Look up- do you see the discussion about the Mensch Barnstar? Proposal #2, [[Image:Mensch2.png]], with the hebrew removed, would make an excellent Law Barnstar in my opinion; it even already incorporates the scales of justice.  It doesn't appear to be used for anything else at the moment, since the original image remained the Mensch Barnstar and Proposal #3 became the Integrity Barnstar.  Perhaps you should ask User:Shirulashem if he would mind that image being modified slightly for use as a Law Barnstar, since it is very good looking and is currently going to waste.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is one with and without a ribbon

-- ★ RegicollisT·C 00:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The Gamer's Barnstar
I notice how there isn't a video game barnstar. I'm proposing "The Gamer's Barnstar", but don't have the Photoshop skill to create it. So, if this gets approved, can someone make one? This barnstar would be for "Worthwhile and excellent edits on articles concerning video games".NintendoNerd777 (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a cool idea, and would cover a multitude of users and projects. If you don't get any replies here, it may be an idea to message some of the members of the project, to see if anyone will make it for you. - RD (Talk) 23:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It allready exists- see the Wikiproject Videogames page. It is posted below.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I've decided to be bold and post it here on the Barnstars page. 72.241.19.92 (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Where do these Barnstars belong?
I was looking at this edit, and was a bit puzzled. Is the edit attempting to make this barnstar less accessible by limiting it to the Wikiproject? I mean, I didn't place it here, so I can't say for sure what the intent of the Barnstar was, but I am completely baffled as to what harm could result from leaving this barnstar in place here. Look, many of these barnstars originated as part of a Wikiproject. But then they found their way over here, since it is quite possible for someone who has no connection to the project to do extensive work in an area with a project without every being part of the project. So are they to not be considered worthy of a Barnstar? I'm just a bit puzzled; I'm going to revert now, as I think that this is harmless, but will discuss it at whatever length is necessary to get into my stupid head what the problem is here. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the above discussion on the Videogame Barnstar is a perfect example of why this Film Barnstar should remain here. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But we already have a seperate page for Wikiproject-Specific Barnstars that is linked to from all the other Barnstar pages and the main project page. That is probably why it was moved.  It seems pretty accessible to me.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar of Community Effort
On the talk page for US Airways Flight 1549, one editor gave a "well done" to the community effort in putting together the article so quickly and thoroughly. I don't see any appropriate barnstars, so I suggest the following design for a Barnstar of Community Effort, which can be awarded to an article on behalf of all the editors who worked on it (even if they didn't edit):


 * A barnstar with a black (or brass, or bronze) border, and a white field; in the center, the Wikipedia jigsaw-globe logo. The barnstar is supported by five hands, in the colors and order of the Olympic flag:  Blue, yellow, black, green, red.  The hands represent the communal barn-raising effort of putting together the article.

Thoughts? Graphic artists? --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would think Template:The Teamwork Barnstar or Template:The Current Events Barnstar would cover stuff like this. --Eustress (talk) 18:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't see them in my earlier searches. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Typo Team
Hi. I am a member of the Typo Team. Our project is geared towards small corrections in articles where editors often fix a single typo across the board. This is a valuable but time-consuming and frequently a thankless task. I monitor the activities of some of our members and like giving them positive feedback for their efforts. Traditionally, the types of edits that our members do are minor edits and the most appropriate barnstar would be the minor barnstar. Unfortunately, I think that the small size and name of that barnstar gives the impression that our efforts are less important than others; so I tend to avoid its use. I stopped by to ask if somebody would be so kind as to develop our venerable project a suitable barnstar. I'd do it myself but I completely lack artistic talent. Actually it's safe to say that the people that tend to join our project are very left-brained by nature. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Jason,


 * Just type message ~  Were <font color="FFA500">Spiel <font color="FFC0CB">Chequers  20:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I made two possible barnstars for the project. [[Image:Barnstar_Typo_Team.png]] [[Image:Barnstar_Typo_Team_Ribbon.png]]
 * Would someone who's been around longer than I have mind explaining to me how to make them a template?  <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 03:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just go to the template page of one of the existing Barnstars (I suggest Template:The Editor's Barnstar). Go to edit the page, and copy everything on it.  Then, go to a new template page (for your purposes, probably Template:Typo Team Barnstar and Template:Typo Team Ribbon or something similiar), go to create the page, copy in the information from the other template and replace the image with your new one (remember to keep the size parameter the way it is) and change any references to the "Editor's Barnstar" to the "Typo Team Barnstar" or whatever.  Finally, go to the appropriate Barnstar index page (either WP:BARN or Awards by WikiProject, depending on the nature of the project) and add it in.  Voila, new Barnstar.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining templates! <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

New Picture
This is the picture for the E=mc^2 Barnstar. It wasn't my fault.

American Revolutionary War/War of 1812 barnstar
I'd like a barnstar for the American Revolutionary War/War of 1812. I thought that replacing the Southern Cross for the Union Jack would work well. If doing two separate barnstars, maybe have a tri-cornered hat on top for the ARW one, and a tomahawk over the 1812 one. The man who designed the original is no longer active on WIkipedia, so no go having him do the redesign. Thanks.-- King Bedford I <sup style="color:green;">Seek his grace  19:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Police Barnstar
I've made a barnstar for those who contribute to police or law enforcement-related topics.

-- ★ RegicollisT·C 00:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice looking Barnstars; those must have taken alot of work. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Mixed martial arts
I'd like to add an award for WP:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. I drew on up based on the image already used for the userbox: .-- 2008 Olym pian chit chat 07:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, that one's pretty good. I like it; nice work.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * On my monitor I can't make out what I'm seeing. Sorry. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  04:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Norse barnstar
A barnstar for those who contribute to articles about Norse or Viking culture, history, language and religion.



-- ★ RegicollisT·C 15:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

New award: Preserving Wikipedia's History
Is there something like a "Nostalgic User" award? There should be some kind of recognition for users who make efforts to preserve Wikipedia's historical pages, and write about it's history. OlEnglish (talk) 04:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, there doesn't seem to be any for that purpose at the moment. But, we could use this one, maybe? [[File:Barnstar-stone-noback.png]] It doesn't seem to be used for anything right now. We could call it The Back In My Day Barnstar! <font color="187ba0" size="2px">Sophus Bie  (talk) 02:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't that a variant of the Epic Barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It was one of several proposed versions of what was to become the Epic Barnstar. Obviously, the one above was not selected, but the resemblances are quite strong (which makes sense, I created them both as variations on a theme). – ClockworkSoul 08:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes sense. I say go for it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible change to the Sports Barnstar.
We currently have a barnstar for sports with this image:. It's an excellent award, and has been a successful part of the Barnstar project. Well, we have an editor: User:Manadude2, who has come up with a new design for a sports award, which looks like this:. The thing that I like about his new award is that it is clear as soon as one sees it that it is for sports, as opposed to just track or cross-country, because it features five sports, one on each point of the star. I would like to ask how the community would feel about retiring the old "Running Man" image and replacing it with this new "Pentathalon" image (my verbiage, not Manadude's). Any comments? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 04:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the original yellow running man better. The new proposal is too cluttered while the running man is both simple and conveys a message of speed and agility suiting for sports.-- ★ RegicollisT·C 13:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Regicollis. The original is much cleaner and nicer; the new one is too budy and cluttered.  I say stick with the old one.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And now, it's been added to the page anyway, so we have two sports Barnstars on the page. That doesn't seem kosher.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It was actually added before we had this discussion; the creator didn't realize one already existed. The whole reason that I brought the issue to this page was to honor the work he put into it and see that it got a fair hearing.  The creator knows that it's not a lock; I will give this a few more days hoping for comment, and then, if there's no more support, will ask him to withdraw it. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  06:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that's reasonable. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It accomplishes the same purpose as the Running Man's barnstar. It can be posted on Personal Awards if desired. --Eustress (talk) 14:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be afurther critic of the new award but it looks biased towards ball sports with only cross-country in there otherwise. Simply south (talk) 14:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Other possible bias: Only primarily outdoor sports, no winter sport, only sports where you run/walk. And it looks a bit like a Mitre commercial. What is a readable company name doing on a barnstar? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Imperfect Sections
We have two categories of barnstars, "Category" and "Topical", that are nearly indistinguishable. As I read it, a "Category" barnstar should fit into a category found at Portal:Contents/Categorical index. Topical Barnstars, I suppose, are similar, but don't fit into a definite category.

However, right now, there is clearly a mixing of the two areas. I am going to straighten this out, but am undecided if I will do it by merging them (my first instinct), or by fixing their current imperfect separation, placing the barnstars currently placed in the topical category, but which have a definite category, into the category section. I will wait to for input, on the chance that somebody might actually care which way this is handled. As it is right now, it is not consistent. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I would support merging them into "Topical Barnstars." Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, well, it's been over two weeks, so I'm going to go ahead and do this, taking Nutiketaiel's suggestion to merge them both under the heading "Topical Barnstars" <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 03:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Jordan Awards
Hi i designed the following awards, to be awarded to contributers to WikiProject Jordan, i can separate them into separate awards but for now they are only on one page, i want a review so that to start using and awarding them to contributers

Maen. K. A. (talk) 13:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I would suggest perhaps reducing the number of awards, first of all. It does seem that some of them are for the exact same thing.  Why not just a Jordan Barnstar? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  07:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't mind, i will separate the Barnstar, but i think we need another award, either the golden medal or the golden jordan, to award that to major contributers, wut do you think?, and i think the Barnstar goes for each user creating an article, or making a significant contribution, as if you checked wikipedia project jordan is so small with only 6 or 7 members, so you need to give awards to small contributers as well...
 * Maen. K. A. (talk) 10:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Two awards might be reasonable. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 10:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good, here are 2 templates for the Barnstar and the Golden medal, Template:JordanBarnstar, and Template:JordanGoldenMedal respectively, thank you for your advise.
 * Maen. K. A. (talk) 11:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I created a Templates for users who are awarded those awards, to use, to promote the award on their sub pages or user pages, the templates are included in the main template page, check them here, Template:JordanGoldenMedalpromote, and Template:JordanBarnstarpromote, wut do you think now??
 * Maen. K. A. (talk) 11:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * and now what will happen?? Maen. K. A. (talk) 17:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I mean where are these Awards gonna be promoted?? and are they officially accepted?? Maen. K. A. (talk) 12:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The decision as to whether they are accepted should happen at WikiProject Jordan. I suggest that you add an awards section on that page, and insert these two awards, along with a proposed rationale for awarding them.  Then, if the other memebers of that Wikiproject like what you've done, you're in business. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  18:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit Summary Barnstar
If this idea hasn't been brought up previously, I thought it would be cool if there was a barnstar that could be awarded to those who write clear and descriptive edit summaries. Any opinions? <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">- <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">down <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">load  <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">| <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">sign!  01:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * A barnstar for that might be a little too specific. Depending on the situation, I would think the Minor Barnstar or the Barnstar of Integrity would accomplish this purpose. --Eustress (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think both of Eustress's suggestions are excellent. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 20:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Though, frankly, I can't think of ever needing to give someone an award just for edit summaries.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 00:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I can. Some people just take the time to come up with really helpful summaries that allow you to follow the discussion more easily.  And then there are other edit summaries that are just fun to read, and, believe it or not, sometimes people notice them!  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  06:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, Ok those examples were kind of funny. OK, you've convinced me that someone might have reason to give a Barnstar for edit summaries.  However, I still agree with Eustress that there doesn't need to be a specific Barnstar for that.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And, you may have noticed, I agreed with E as well. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Press Barnstar?
Would it be possible to create a "Press Barnstar" to reconginze those who have worked on wikipedia related material that was used by the various press agencies of the world, or would this be too much for wikipedia? TomStar81 (Talk) 05:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it would be 'too much'. We have barnstars for all kinds of things, and something like this shouldn't be a problem, particularly since the recipient is supposed to be someone who has gained some recognition for Wikipedia. I'll see if I can do something.  C h a m a l  talk 06:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So let's be clear on what we're talking about here: We see a situation where a Wikipedia article is quoted somewhere in the press, and then, assuming that most of what was quoted can be attributed to a particular editor, that that editor would get a barnstar?  If this is what you mean, then yes, I like the idea.  If you mean something else, please explain it to us further. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  06:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is my idea. It seems that we have barnstars for everyone accept those whose work has been cited by the press (or the courts, or other official offline venues). This barnstar's intended use is to recognize those who contribute to the information in the articles cited by the press. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How's this one (ok, I'm not a very creative or artistic person ;)):
 * Press barnstar.png
 * Sorry if it looks ridiculous :) Is it good enough, any changes?  C h a m a l  talk 07:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think its perfect, it conveys the point clearly and concisely. I also think you have more artistic talent then you think. I would suggest waiting for a second opinion though, just in case someone else thinks we should add or subtract from the design. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty good, to tell you the truth. Let me ask this, though, and it's the thought of someone who doesn't know squat about such things.  Would it be possible to instead of having the newsprint behind the star, to have it superimposed on the star, so that we have a star composed of newsprint? Very honestly, I do like this one, it just gave me this other idea, that's all.  (This is already so much better than the ideas I had had earlier.) <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  08:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at the closeup of the image, I realize that my idea is completely impracticable. Forget I mentioned it.  Okay, one more thing, and this is a micro detail.  That blank area near the upper right corner.  Could the background image of newsprint be moved to the right slightly so that that blank space is not there? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  08:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed the empty space. I thought about making it as you said earlier, but then found that this makes the lines of the star less prominent, resulting in only the shape of the star being visible at first glance. How is it now?  C h a m a l  talk 08:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I love it! <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 08:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Even better! Huzzah! TomStar81 (Talk) 00:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

←Should we move this out to the main WP:BS page now? TomStar81 (Talk) 04:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say so. It looks great, Chamal.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliments guys :) I've created a bit of a draft in my userspace. If you think it's good enough, we can move it to Template:The Press Barnstar or please feel free to make changes as necessary.  C h a m a l  talk 13:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm no expert on templates (when I have made barnstar templates in the past, I usually just copy and paste one of the existing templates and replace the image and text as necessary), but it looks fine to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, FYI, this is a copy paste from Template:The Original Barnstar :D  C h a m a l  talk 13:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * HA!! I knew I wasn;t the only cheater!  :-P  That being the case, I say go for it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think its good enough, so lets go ahead and roll it out. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, many other BStars have been posted with less accolade than this has already received. Please do make sure that there is a clear explanation as to its purpose.  Sometimes I see BStars going out for purposes clearly not as intended, and this one is probably going to be such a rare gem, that I can see someone giving it out for reverting vandalism to Newspaper or something like that. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  04:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to Template:The Press Barnstar‎. Maybe TomStar81 would like to add it to the WP:BARN page, since he could make a better description of it as it was his idea?  C h a m a l  talk 12:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wilco. Its gonna hafta wait though since I am up to my eyeballs in schoolwork at the moment, so don't look for it to go out until this weekend at the earliest. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I wrote the intro and put it up for use. I widen the scope just a whisker after looking through some of the cited by the press templates an talk pages, so the press barnstar would appeal to a somewhat broader audience. Rest assured though that its purpose remains intact. Thanks to all who helped with this, I appreciate it very much. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the verbiage you created, Tom, is very good. Chamal, thanks so much for your receptivity to suggestion, you've done an outstanding job here.  You two make a great team.  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  08:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The MissingBarnstar
It doesn't wok, every time I put it on Adolphus' talk page it ether: What the hell's up with that? -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  12:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (When preeing the preview button) went over half the writing
 * (Or when saving it) It didn't display the picture.


 * You have already posted it on his talk page, and it displays fine. If you're having any problems with it, it's likely to be a browser problem.  C h a m a l  talk 12:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Eh, what does that mean? -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  13:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The barnstar is shown on Adolphus's talk page where you posted it, without any problems. If you don't see it properly, it is likely to be a problem with your web browser. Try clearing the browser history and see if it's still not working. There's nothing wrong with the way you have added the barnstar.  C h a m a l  talk 00:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe it is the browser, all that is wrong now though is the picture is over the writing abit; but if he can see it then that is fine. Cheers! -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  13:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject:Racibórz
Hi everyone.

I'm a moderator of the polish city of Racibórz related WikiProject and Portal on the polish Wikipedia. I want to create a system of giving awards to users, who made important edits related with this project. To do so, I'll need a barnstar symbol connected somehow with the city of Racibórz. My proposition is to compose a barnstar with coat of arms of Racibórz, but, unfortunately I'm not good in making images. So I want to ask for such image any person who could create it. Any propositions please send on page of my discussion on the polish Wikipedia. I'll be very gratefull for any response :) Olos88 (talk) 00:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry for my english (I'm still learning ;] )
 * Well, there isn't any Polish or Poland-related award, as far as I'm aware. Why not an award for improvement to articles about Poland in general, instead of one specific town?   <tt>FeygeleGoy/</tt>פֿײגעלע גױ&lrm;  02:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * To late mate, if you check his talk page on the Polish Wiki then he already has a new barnstar. =) ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, no big deal. It's not like that's anything bad, it's just so specific; as far as I know, Poland and Polish history articles have no barnstar, but now, Racibórz, Poland does !  Go, Racibórz! I'm new to editing Wiki, and I'd like to ask: can I edit a barnstar to have Polish relevance, modify a template for Polish related articles, and nominate it on a barnstar talk page?  I somewhat grasp templates, but I'm not sure I know how to go about creating and promoting one.   <tt>FeygeleGoy/</tt>פֿײגעלע גױ&lrm;  04:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can edit templates, barnstars and stuff like that to fit the needs you want it to. However I am not to good at editing templates, give me a few days to check it out if you need help; I'll also try to find a link that could help. Oh and the barnstar talk page would probably be this one. =)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 'K, that's cool. I actually just came up with a .png for a Polish Barnstar in under an hour, and plan to do the same for Yiddish.  It isn't the art or the template which is the issue, it's learning how the process of collaboration works on Wikipedia.  I haven't really taken part in discussions until the last few weeks, and I've still got a lot to learn. I'll read the article and talk page carefully, edit a template for the new barnstar proposal, and put it here for discussion.  Thanks!   <tt>FeygeleGoy/</tt>פֿײגעלע גױ&lrm;  14:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For help with a template consolidate this for help. And the rumours that I asked some one else for this info is in no way true "cough". -) (hey everyone, it's one eyed Jack)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that will be helpful in the future. However, I actually just discovered there already is The Polish Barnstar of National Merit on the Category:Barnstars_of_National_Merit_templates page.  I didn't know about it before because it wasn't covered on the WikiProject_Wikipedia_Awards page.  My bad.  :(  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FeygeleGoy (talk • contribs) 22:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, dosen't matter. -)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

MOTD Branstar
Hi I created 2 new design for the MOTD Branstar, here they are As the current one looks a bit old, please give me some comments, so we can start using one of them to award MOTD collaborators, Thank you Maen. K. A. (talk) 13:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the one that currently exists could stand an upgrade, but I'm not sure about either of these. The image quality on these entries is excellent, but I'm not sure how I feel about the,... the speach bubbles look a little odd.  Still, it is obviously difficult to come up with an appropriate image to associate with the Motto of the Day project; there's no iconic imagry that jumps out and shouts "Hey, Motto!" just by looking at it.  I'll post a notice on the MotD Talk Page and see if we can get some of the other contributors over here to comment.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually posted a request on the reward board to upload a new motd barn. Is this an upshot of that Madhero, or a pure coincidence? <font face="Candara" color="black">Queenie 14:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually its a pure coincidence, I passed by the star and decided to design a better one, I can make any modifications you suggest, and I am working on more stars for the MOTD, when I finish any of them I ll post it here Maen. K. A. (talk) 14:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is a new one Maen. K. A. (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I actually created an image after seeing Queenie's notice on the reward board: File:MOTD Barnstar3.PNG. Any suggestions? This is now being used as the Technology Barnstar and the What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar.  - down  load  |   sign!  21:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Will this new award help people relieve their bowells?


 * Properly, I'm with Nutiketaiel in that it could do with updating but the new designs and the update are not really inspirational (but then again the geog one was simplistic, separately) Simply south (talk) 22:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ... bowells? Huh?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Branstar. Simply south (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, no more puns for you. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, getting back to the matter at hand, I think all these are fine images, but as I said none of them seem to have much to do with the Motto of the Day project. Unfortunately, my puny brain can't think of any image that DOES have anything to do with the Motto of the Day except maybe... a calendar? Maybe something that incorporates a calendar? It wouldn't do much for the "motto" part, but it would capture "of the day" nicely. What do you guys think? Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe an M or a board with lines representing writing. Simply south (talk) 15:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I created numerous new designs, as you see I can change any thing you suggest please tell me what do you think ??

Thank you all for the fast response and useful suggestions Maen. K. A. (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the File:MOTD trial finale.png. The second variation is ok too, but the third variation doesn't show clearly if it's a calendar or just a number. So, first it is for me.  C h a m a l  talk 15:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice to know I got through, Chamal. :-)  Incidentally, I agree with Chamal that File:MOTD trial finale.png, while the second option is also OK.  I offer my Strong Support for adoption of File:MOTD trial finale.png.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again I find myself in agreement with Chamal and Nutiketaiel. File:MOTD trial finale.png is the best, for the reasons already given. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  02:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the aboves as well. Big surprise. :) &mdash;<font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that File:MOTD trial finale.png is the best option here, and a good one at that, as Unschool siad, just for the reasons already given, nothing to add otherwise SpitfireTally-ho! 16:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your comments, should I add it to the awards page, or someone els will do that?? Maen. K. A. (talk) 22:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good work. :) &mdash;<font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 02:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, already there. Never mind - I've blundered somewhere. &mdash;<font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 02:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I beat you to it. nernynernynerner :p Simply south (talk) 10:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (How many indents?) AAARRGGHH!!!! I get back and the decision's final! Anyway, it doesn't matter as I agree with it. Good choice everyone. [[Image:Smiley.jpg]] <font color="#FF33CC">Wikiert <font color="#800080">T <font color="#008000">S C 12:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar linkbacks to WP:BARNSTAR?
Would it be useful to include a link in each barnstar back to WP:BARNSTAR, to provide help and info to users who receive barnstars? Providing a small corner link which reads <font color=#0000ff>[info] or <font color=#0000ff>[what is this?] or other such help link may assist any users who aren't sure what these barnstars are all about. Dl2000 (talk) 03:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, such a link can be included in the message within the Barnstar award when it is given. I know that whenever I award a Barnstar, my citation for the award always begins like this-  "I hereby award this Barnstar to Example for..."  That way, if they're not familiar with Barnstars, they have a link right there to find out about them.  I think including a superscript link somewhere in the award template would be kind of out-of-place looking, though.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a project award
See WT:LONDON. Simply south (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What does the circle with the line through it mean? Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a new suggestion, please check it there Maen. K. A. (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A slight bias as many roundels are used by Transport for London, the governing body for the transport system in London. It is just meant to represent one of those. Simply south (talk) 19:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Designer-Barnstar (Originally: "The Excellent User Page Award")
Hello everybody. I designed a new Barnstar "for an excellent user and user discussion page". A user deleted it from the Barnstars page, as in his eyes the Barnstar was too close to the "Excellent User Page Award". I accepted this deletion. The same user proposed to start a discussion here, concerning a possible "update" or change of the existing Barnstar. As a first step I wrote a message to the designer of the old "Excellent User Page Award" (Frater5) to ask him, if he would be ok, that I leave a message on the Award talk page. It seems this user is not activ anymore. Thats why I would like to ask for your opinion. Here are the pictures of the old and my new  Barnstar...

By the way... the reason why I make this suggestion: I think, that Barnstars should optically express what they are awarded for (my subjective opinion). The Excellent User Page Award is given to those who put in that extra effort on their user page, and this rudimentary Barnstar does not look like a Barnstar confered for "extra effort". Now... its up to you ;) -- Rectilinium  '♥' 12:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's an excellent image. Nice work! I think this would be more suitable for the Template:The Graphic Designer's Barnstar rather than merely a userpage barnstar. Either way, I'd support adding this. Let's see what others say.  C h a m a l  talk 12:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Brilliant design, it should be used for any of either awards as user  C h a m a l  said Maen. K. A. (talk) 14:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The design is really quite excellent. However, I agree with Chamal as well- it would be better for Template:The Graphic Designer's Barnstar.  The existing user page award is more intuitively obvious as being for user pages.  However, that's not to say it can't be improved- perhaps replace the star in your new image with the Userpage star or something similiar- in this way, it would be obvious that it is for userpages and for excellent work in design just by looking at it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought i would express my support best by making a transparent background for it :-}, here is the new version [[image:User_Discussion_page_Barnstar_trans.png|100px]], or if you like it, I will upload it to the original file Maen. K. A. (talk) 16:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

<font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 19:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My thoughts:
 * It's one of most beautiful, if not the most beautiful design, I've ever seen for a Barnstar.
 * It's so good that it would be a waste to make it the user page BStar. I really like the idea of Chamal and Nutiketaiel of using it to replace the Graphic Designer's Barnstar.  It's spot on for that, and given what that award is for, and given the subject of this image, our newest and most beautiful barnstar belongs there.
 * If we agree that this is to be the GDesign BStar, then we can probably expect User:Rectilinium to turn his/her obviously considerable talents to coming up with another design to replace the User Page BStar, which I agree could use an upgrade, albeit not as badly as the Graphic Design BStar needs.
 * And the barnstar, while beautiful, does not really represent the "user page" part like the current one does but it really fits the "designer" part :-)  So Why  20:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree. This should become the Graphic Design Barnstar, as this new barnstar is great and the current version isn't that great.   -  down  load  |   sign!  01:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Im glad that you seem to like my Barnstar. If you decide to use it, it doesn't matter to me whether it becomes a Graphic Design or User Page award or whatever. I would like to thank Maen. K. A. for the idea to make a file with a transparent background.
 * As his version of the file wasnt absolutely correct, I uploaded my own png-version. File:Design Barnstar. The jpg-file is still available. If you have further suggestions (how I could improve the design), dont hesitate to tell me, and I will try to do my best.-- Rectilinium  '♥' 19:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

(<--) I agree, it probably would be best for graphic designers. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 01:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * So, consensus is clear here with all this heavy weather. I'll go ahead and add it. Please revert if there are any objections.  C h a m a l  talk 03:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * New image added to template The Graphic Designer's Barnstar.  C h a m a l  talk 04:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * So why isn't the new design showing up on the Barnstar page? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is showing. Try purging the page if you still see the old image.  C h a m a l  talk 05:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know what to say. I go to WP:BS and still see the old image.  This happens both in IE and Firefox.  I purge the cache, I reboot my computer, I still see the old image.  Am I the only one with this problem? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  07:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh... I failz. You have to add it manually to WP:BS. I was talking about the template page earlier. Done now.  C h a m a l  talk 07:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi everybody! Thank you for choosing my Barnstar as the new Graphic Designer's Barnstar! I was really glad to see, that you liked it! :)) I will probably make some more Barnstars ...-- Rectilinium  '♥' 15:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar Barnstar
I feel this is a ridiculous suggestion but thought i might as well suggest it before anyone else unless it has already been done. How about a barnstar design for designing a barnstar? "Rewards reward themselves" Simply south (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Template:The Barnstar Creator's Barnstar is already there :) Or did you mean something else?  C h a m a l  talk 14:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, that all. I wonder who already came up with the ridiculous suggestion. Simply south (talk) 17:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's two such Barnstars. The original one, introduced over three years ago by User:Cyde, is this: [[File:Barnstar Barnstar 3 NoBlackspot.png]], and is called "The Barnstar Barnstar".  (It was very slightly modified by User:Sango123 in August, 2006.)  Then, apparently in July of last year, User:Meisfunny introduced this barnstar: [[File:Creatorofbarnstars.png]] to which Chamal is referring.  I say "apparently" because WP:BS says that this barnstar was actually awarded for the first time four months earlier, which of course appears to contradict the creation date.  Anyway, both of them are presumably given for the creation of Barnstars. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  23:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And btw, i was meaning ridiculous in a jokey, but not bad, way. Simply south (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, when the original Barnstar Barnstar was proposed, there was actually some discussion about whether or not it was a good idea; some editors suggested that it might motivate some editors to create "more meaningless awards", to which I think Cyde said something like, Why would anyone be motivated to create a meaningless award just to receive a meaningless award?
 * Anyway, I do think it is probably not a good idea to give either of these to an editor just for creating a single, ordinary barnstar. But for either a) someone who has created several barnstars, especially those suggested by others who lack the graphical talents, or b) someone like User:Rectilinium, who has (IMHO) elevated the Barnstar to a significantly higher level (I mean, Rectilinium's Graphic Design barnstar is superior to anything I've ever seen), then I don't think it's at all ridiculous.  We have a whole section of Barnstars just for stuff that is never seen by the public, why not one for this as well? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  00:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I actually have awarded the Barnstar Creators Barnstar (the second one, not the first) on occasions when I have felt it was warranted. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Color & Light barnstar
Awarded to users who make effort for color and light pages. {{Color and Light Barnstar|message ~ --Betax{{sub|(Talk|Sandbox|User:Betax on Wikimedia Incubator])}}

Upgrading the Purple Star
I've created an easy to use subst template for the popular Purple Star award: Template:ThePurpleStar. As it is one of the most popular PUAs (who created it, btw?), perhaps we should move it Other awards? And while on this topic, I fail to see the need for two pages: why not merge PUA into OA? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Another Barnstar
Ikip (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool barnstar!  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What is it supposed to be for? Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say it could be a new style of tirelss contributer barnstar due to it's movement.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it is a nice image, but what's wrong with the current tireless contributor barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know, maybe it is for something else, I'll ask him.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I also thought it appeared to be a compass, but I had the idea of the watch thing in my head so I kind of just said it. If it is a compass then I could go in as a geography barnstar. As I don't know of any geographical related barnstars I will go and check them out and try and think what this could be for.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I see a Star Trek barnstar, but what about a Star Wars one? Make it look like the Rebel Symbol, or something, and then make it more star-yLukefan3 (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I know! It could be the barnstar of barnstar giving! --Username (talk) 12:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

maybe it could replace the image for Guidance Barnstar. Although the background may need sorting out - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Four Award
I've created a new award called the Four Award. Feedback, suggestions, comments, ideas, etc. are welcome. Thought it may seem somewhat similar to The Triple Crown Awards at a first glance, it is actually quite different. Also, it would be great if someone could create an award image with the same design as the current but as a svg with transparent background (I've tried but couldn't quite figure out how to do it correctly). ♠ <font face="Old English Text MT"> TomasBat  16:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The images might cause confusion. For example the image you use to represent a featured article looks more like File:Symbol start-class.svg. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  18:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I wanted to make them all circular symbols for consistency. I Hadn't noticed the similarity (thanks for pointing it out)... ♠ <font face="Old English Text MT"> TomasBat  18:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, but the name of the award isn't very intuitive (you don't know what it's about unless you read the article criteria; this isn't a huge deal) and the design isn't too amazing (no offense). —Eustress talk 20:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never been too good at design. Any alternate design(s) totally welcome. As for the name, I considered stuff like "Article Evolution Award" but wasn't very sure, so I just left it as "Four Award" (it sort of rhymes). Any alternate name(s) totally welcome. Hopefully better designs and names can be proposed and agreed upon :) ♠ <font face="Old English Text MT"> TomasBat  20:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have anything specific in mind, you might consult Graphic Lab/Image workshop. —Eustress talk 21:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice design! I support this award.Smallman12q (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Negative barnstars
Could we make a barnstar that is 'awarded' to imbeciles/vandals, like some sort of warning or such? It would be pretty cool. Or if not, could we make a Pointless Barnstar, that can be awarded for no reason at all? Acr99 (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Absolutely not. A negative Barnstar would be biting, feeding the trolls and attacking, not to mention just plain rude and uncivil, and would likely be used to violate WP:AGF.  If you want to warn someone about misconduct, use an appropriate template.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Completely against the aims of WikiProject Wikipedia Awards. —Eustress talk 20:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, sorry. I have now reviewed more about Wikipedia rules, and think I understand why not. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acr99 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Why say thank-you?! They gave your idea a negative response! --Username (talk) 12:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * First because it is polite to do so, and second because he came to agree with us by the end of the conversation and was thanking us for pointing some things out to him. Why wouldn't he say "thank you," Spongefrog?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Hoax Finder Barnstar
There should be a barnstar to award editors who find or prove an article is a hoax. (Please let me know if there already is one).Smallman12q (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is one but bearing (stupid lack of spell checker) in mind that if an article is not true it will be deleted any way; as untrue things are generally not reference very well, with false stuff or just not at all. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, just it will be many a year before some one gets one. -) (and again, one eyed Jack returns; this is becoming a tradition of mine =)) -whoa that looks double chinish  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if you were to find a sneaky form of vandalism i think this would apply Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Outspokenbarnstars.png
Just so you all know File:Outspokenbarnstars.png doesn't have licensing information, and I've tagged it as such. I'm not an expert when it comes to image copyrights, so if someone here wants to take a look and apply the correct license, that would be great. Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C) 22:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Updated Barnstar images
Some thoughts. . . . For the record, I endorse the changes that download has made, but if anyone else wants to see, here's the dif. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the above MOTD Barnstars—there may be no BStar more in need of a new image than the MOTD BStar. But I agree with Nutiketaiel, while these are much higher quality images, they don't jump out and say MOTD to me.
 * Regarding the new images that User:download has provided. The images are very good.  In particular, the Cleanup Barnstar has been cleaned up to such an extent that I am hesitant to continue with my next comments.  Okay, now I've hesitated, and will continue nonetheless.  download, I have no problems with any of the changes you've made to these images.  But you should realize that if you're going to actually change the image (as opposed to just sharpening up the image that already exists), some editors are going to expect you to run it by the others on this talk page (just as Maen. K. A. has done above with the MOTD BStars).  Yeah, I know about BOLD, and I'm really with you on your changes, but the Tech one, where you moved the light bulb, might bother some long-timers.
 * I also have no problem with any of the changes (though I can't see any difference between his Userpage Shield and mine, and I don't think that adding a "transparent alpha layer" qualifies as "image design," so I clarified that point). Still, it would have been nice for the community to have been consulted before existing Barnstars were changed.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops! I apologize; I thought the images could be changed by anyone.  I'll remove the "image design" parts that I added immediately; I'm glad you like them though.   -  down  load  |   sign!  17:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, the images can be changed by anyone, and the change you made to the Userpage Barnstar is not something that needed to be brought here, since you didn't alter the design by adding something transparent (though one of these days someone is going to have to explain to me what a "Transparent Alpha Layer" is). It is just polite to discuss the proposed changes on the talk page before you change the actual design of a Barnstar, as with the Technology Barnstar.  For the record, I think all your changes were big improvements and I support all of them.  I'd even give you a Barnstar for them, though I see on your talk page that someone already beat me to the punch.  :-)  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, a transparent alpha layer is a transparency; basically, I changed your white background to a transparency so it doesn't look chopped off when used. You can see the difference in File:Choco chip cookie.jpg and File:Choco chip cookie.png; the PNG version has a transparency.  :)  -  down  load  |   sign!  23:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So that's what those funny grey checkerboards behind the images mean. Thanks for the explanation!  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Technology Barnstar
I've redone the Technology Barnstar. I personally like the new lightbulb, but if there are any objections about the lightbulb's positioning, I'd be glad to revert or move the lightbulb.  - down  load  |   sign!  17:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the new version. It is a crisper image and I think the positioning is an improvement, as (to my eye) it offers more emphasis to the Barnstar and less to the lightbulb.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I like it too. I was only making a point of ettiquette, which Nutiketaiel appears to agree with as well. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  07:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

New Page Patrol award


Hi, do we currently have an award for good work in patroling new pages? If not is it okay to make one? If we do could you tell me where it is? Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There's an idea for the image. Tell me your thoughts - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not bad looking. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Just something I threw together in Corel PHOTO-PAINT. Still, I'll add this to the page (if I can figure out how ;) ). If someone can do a better picture, please do - Kingpin13 (talk) 06:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Off-wiki barnstars
I received barnstars for my contributions outside of Wikipedia (see the history of User:Johnny Au/Barnstars). I reworked them to be relevant to Wikipedia. What should I do with them? Should there be a barnstar for off-wiki contributions, such as giving a university class a funny but relevant remark of course material? Thank you. <font face="Old English Text MT"> Johnny Au   (talk/contributions) 05:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The Space Barnstar
I have, for the moment removed the following entry from WP:BS, in order to have discussion on the matter here.

This the image, and it came with the following description:

The Space Barnstar may be awarded to those who make outstanding contributions to spaceflight articles, including unmanned & manned space missions, launch vehicles and spacecraft.

Now I actually think that this is an excellent topic for a BStar (though I think that there's a slight mismatch between the name and the description). My question with it regards its appearance. Doe this not mark a really radical departure from the design, or form, of BStars? I think that the purpose can be served by a better design. As there was no consult on this, I felt free to remove it and have it reviewed on this page. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 21:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've left a message for the contributing editor on his talk page, encouraging him to come here and receive some thoughts from other editors. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 21:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ...and here I am! Apologies for bypassing the process, I wasn't aware of it (although the barnstar has, in fact, already been awarded to at least one parson...) - anyway, this is my suggestion for a barnstar of space-related matters, whether spaceflight or astronomy related. I felt the design was good as it integrates both the idea of a meteor (for astronomy) and the astronaut symbol for spaceflight. Colds7ream (talk) 22:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it, actually. I don't see a problem with deviating from the "standard" Barnstar format.  As long as it fits in the templates, I think it works just fine.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As there doesn't seem to be any problems with this, I felt free to move it back to the main listing. :-) Colds7ream (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What about one or two other versions? -- Rectilinium  '♥' 00:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that this is a great area to have a barnstar. Having said that, I'd love to see what Rectilinium would be able to come up with before a final decision is made.  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  02:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am actually willing to create such a barnstar. But as it was Colds7reams idea to suggest a Space Barnstar, I'ld like to know if he is interested to submit one or two other versions himself, before I (or someone else) propose(s) another design. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 23:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Clarification needed
Colds7ream, when you first posted it here, I made the comment I think that there's a slight mismatch between the name and the description, but I failed to explain myself. The description speaks exclusively of spaceflight matters, but the name implies a more general topic, including astronomy, early (pre-20th century and pre-space flight) theories on the nature of space and the universe, exobiology, even cosmology. You touch upon this in your description. If you suggest a barnstar for the more comprehensive topic of space in general, I'm totally okay with it, but your description would need to be altered, since at present it appears to be only dealing with spaceflight. Okay, I'm rambling, as I am espeically inclined to do with loud noises in the background while I am typing. Am I being clear? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 02:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Other versions
Because Colds7ream didnt suggest other versions yet, I've uploaded two new designs. And if you dont like these Barnstars... probably someone else can create a better one.

-- Rectilinium  '♥' 04:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like 1c. The coloring is sufficiently different from the usual barnstar color, but the black lines of 1b are a bit too heavy in my opinion. Good work, Rectilinium. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 10:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks EVula. I made a fourth version as you said that the lines/shadows of 1b are too dark. Regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 11:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * These are the sort of beautiful imagery that we have come to almost take from granted from Rectilinium. I think that 1d is the best of the lot.  But I actually have a change to request.  I couldn't tell at first that the image in the center was the space shuttle!  I had to blow it up to see that. I think that, if the shuttle is going to be used, a side profile might be better than this view, and probably with the cargo bay closed.  But here's another thought.  Is using the shuttle too Amero-centric?  I mean, not only is the shuttle being retired next year, this is a time when more nations are reaching into space.  What about a more generic looking rocket? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  20:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Unschool. I looked for some other pictures of the space shuttle (one which shows the side profile and one with a closed cargo bay). I also added two versions with the new Ares-rocket (Orion), and I deleted version 1b. If there is something else I should change, just tell me. With kind regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 05:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know... do you guys think it might be too Amerocentric to use the space shuttle? What about an image of the International Space Station?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Nutiketaiel. Of course I can make another version with the ISS, but Im not sure if this looks good. It think, that the Space Station is such a "filigree" construction (not compact) that on the small Barnstar nobody could identify it as the ISS. Dont you think so? Anyway, I will upload another version this evening when Im back home. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 13:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, don't go through the trouble, you're right, the ISS would look pretty screwed up on a Barnstar. It's not that big a deal, it was just a thought.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Three new versions with the ISS. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 17:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I really, really like 1i. I like the colors, and though it may be an Orion, it's also kinda generically rockety looking. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  01:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I love the designs except for the various space vehicles covering up the stars. I personally think having the cool stars with the planets is enough. Blue is my first choice, red is my second choice. --JBC3 (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi JBC3. The reason why I used those vehicles, is because the barnstar should be spaceflight and astronomy related. If I delete the shuttle/rocket/ISS, then it just looks like a astronomy barnstar. But if you would like, I can upload one picture without any spacecraft. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 07:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I see your point. In that case the vehicles should stay. --JBC3 (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you really made those ISS ones look good. I like all three of them, but I strongly support 1J. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I still prefer 1i, because I like the idea of a rocket for this. But the ISS ones are also good, and I agree with Nutiketaiel that 1j is the best of the ISS versions. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  11:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I prefer the ISS version because it is less Amerocentric. Think of it as this projects little contribution to the fight against systemic bias.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you on that point. --JBC3 (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, though I do like the Orion best, as the first one to mention the problem of Amerocentrism, I have to accept the direction this is going. I say lets go with 1j.  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  00:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and replaced the block image with 1j, as it appears to have been the consensus choice. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi everyone, sorry for not paying attention to this recently - it's been exam time. :-( Just to say I love the new design - it's much better than my one! Hopefully with this image, and the updated description, this award will have a large number of recipients! :-) Colds7ream (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Shooting star? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.132.41 (talk) 11:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Userpage Barnstar
Hi everybody. I was asked, if I finally designed some new Barnstars (as I promised on 12 April 2009). To keep my word I made a new Userpage Barnstar and a Barnstar which could be used as a new Categorisation Barnstar. Now here is my suggestions for a new Userpage Barnstar:

I will try to make one ore two other versions, so you can choose. With kind regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 02:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and if you dont like the design, then please tell me, and I will try to make something completely different...-- Rectilinium  '♥' 03:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, all three are very nice Barnstars (1b is my favorite), but to be honest, I kind of like the current userpage Barnstar. It is a nice and simple design, and I kind of like that.  However, if everyone else supports changing it, I'll go along with the consensus.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think these are a significant upgrade over the current Userpage Barnstar; they represent the concept of a userpage much better. I prefer either #1 and #1a. To me, the shine on 1b sort of contradicts the rustic appearance of the background; I think that the other stars match the background much better. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  11:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way: There has already been a discussion about the Userpage Barnstar here: Userpage Barnstar -- Rectilinium  '♥' 00:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I still think the current userpage barnstar is worth keeping. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the current barnstar just fine, but of the three new ones would prefer 1a. The thing about the proposed ones that I just don't care for (no offense to the artist) is that they look like historical documents, which doesn't give me the impression of a user page at all. --JBC3 (talk) 00:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly dislike the current userpage BStar, and greatly prefer all of these, as I have stated. But JBC's comment is accurate; they do look like historic documents.  That doesn't bother me, but I do agree that BStars should appear to reflect their subject.  So that brings up the question (for JBC and anyone else), what would accurately convey the notion of a userpage?  The current one certainly does not.  What sort of thing should it look like? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  00:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The current one very much does accurately convey the notion of a userpage. It's kind of hard to mistake it for anything else, actually.  I very much prefer it to any of these proposed changes, as it is very clear at a glance what the current one is for.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Brainstorming what would convey a userpage: userboxes with a star in the foreground; a dwelling (house) with a barnstar prominently displayed; a human figure (picture the yellow AOL dude, without the copyright infringement) with a star in the foreground or worn by it. That's all my little brain could come up with so far. Definitely open to new ideas on this one. --JBC3 (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nutiketaiel, I don't see what you're saying when you say it conveys the notion of a userpage. How?  I don't get it.
 * JBC, I see the dwelling idea--my userpage is my "home", right? I also love the AOL guy idea, but I also think you're right; copyright infringement would be tough to get around.  Anyway, your ideas are good, certanly better than anything I can come up with. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  06:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi everybody :) just here for a short time. I was reading your suggestions and I will try to make a redesign soon ;). With kind regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 15:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Categorisation Barnstar (?)
And here is the other design, which could be used as a new Categorisation Barnstar (I made three slightly different versions, but I can also create a completely different Barnstar):

-- Rectilinium  '♥' 02:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Very nice looking work. I offer my support for 1c.  I think it is something of an improvement over the current Barnstar.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * These are, graphically speaking, much nicer than the current one. Nevertheless, I'm totally neutral on this one, both on the choices and the need for change itself.  I guess I don't know enough about what editors do who work with categorization to understand why the current BStar looks like it does or why these might represent it better.  I'm just unable to offer any helpful comments.   <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  11:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The idea behind this design was: people that categorize uncategorized articles help to make "an entity out of seperate pieces" (as long as an article isnt categorized readers cant find sets of articles on related topics) - thats why I choosed a puzzle. But if you think the old design was better, we can leave it.
 * If someone would like to have another Barnstar renewed, then please tell me, and I'll try to design it. With kind regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest. I like 1b most, the other two look a little too cluttered for my liking. Still, all nice images :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 15:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I also like 1b the most for its de-cluttered appearance. --JBC3 (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the comments of both Kingpin and JBC. 1b looks best. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  00:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I have replaced the old image with 1b, which appears to have been the consensus choice.<font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The Star of JD Award for Excellence in Vandal Fighting.
Considering that RickK is long gone, and jdelanoy is a legend of William Wallace proportions, I think it is only fair that we phase out the RickK barnstar and replace with a JD one. [The Idea was originally floated by Synergy, I do not take the credit for it]. Any thoughts? <font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">Lucifer <font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">(Talk)  03:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know who RickK was, and I don't know who jdelanoy is, and frankly I don't care. I have never liked that the vandal fighting barnstar glorifies one individual.  Now that someone has brought it up, I say we rename the barnstar to its original name, "The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar."  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I know that some of the old veterans who have been around a lot longer than us may think it's heresy, but I totally agree with Nutiketaiel on this one. I totally don't get having a BStar glorify one individual, when thousands of others have surely fought much more vandalism (albeit with tools) than he ever did. I support this idea of reverting to the old name, but I think we should wait a long time to give some of the older vets (I've only been here since 2005) get a chance to speak up, and perhaps give them a chance to explain why we're wrong.  <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  12:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am going to put a notification about this discussion on some of the talk pages of the anti-vandalism projects. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This came up somewhere, possibly in a London meetup. Apparently the Rickk award was originally meant to be given to ahem "over enthusiastic but well meaning efforts" in anti vandalism. Rollbacking an IP's blanking so as to restore the spam or porn that they'd removed from an article, etc. Nowadays no-one knows whether a Rickk barnstar has been awarded sarcastically or sincerely or whether the recipient feels praised or rebuked. So yes a new Barnstar would be a good idea. I have no objection to naming Barnstars after deceased wikipedians, though I don't think we should name barnstars after living people, but perhaps irrationally I have no problem with naming them after bots . Howabout Cluebot's order of the crossed squeegees, and for people who already have that, the scraper and steam cleaner?  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  13:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't the purpose of this meant to be: "I'm a vandal fighter, not a window cleaner"? Simply south (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with the design of the Barnstar as it currently stands, I just think the name needs to be changed to "The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" to eliminate the reference to a specific Wikipedian, especially given WereSpielChequers' revelation that it was named the "RickK" award satirically in the first place. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, if what WSC says is true, I'm shocked. I never have had a clue that this was sarcastic, and if so, it seems to be rather non- or even anti-Wikipedian in nature to have it listed here.
 * I'm still with Nutiketaiel on this. Keep the design (which is very appropriate), but delete the personalization. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  01:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, the name should not glorify or memorialize an individual. There are so many tireless editors that have worked and presently work to keep Wikipedia a vandalism free zone that it smacks in the face of their hard work to politicize the award by appending an editor's name to it. "The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" is the ideal name. --JBC3 (talk) 03:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If the "RickK" award was indeed originally awarded sarcastically, I think it is insulting to keep the current award name. I agree that "The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" is a name consistent with other awards. Dastle (talk) 12:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, consensus seems to be developing pretty rapidly here. I propose that we change the template on the WP:BARN page to Template:The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar, and remove "Renamed on July 24, 2005 in appreciation of the efforts of former Wikipedian RickK in fighting vandalism." from the description, along with the other references to the old name. We should, however, still leave the RickK template (Template:The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar) in existance, so traditionalists can use it if they wish. Does that work for everybody? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to leave this up over the weekend just to give a little more time for people to voice their opinions, and if there are no significant objections I'll make the change come Monday. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support proposal, for reasons I stated above. --JBC3 (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Nutiketaiel's proposal. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 02:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Nutiketaiel's proposal.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  07:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, I have changed the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar to the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar per the above consensus. If anybody wants to add the RickK Star to personal user awards or somewhere similiar so it is still available for old-school users who want to continue with it, I would have no objection. The template still exists. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with Nutiketaiel's proposal, otherwise we have to change the BS when jdelanoy is gone. How about we change the Anti-Vandalism barnstar to accept parameters? For example will call it "The j.delanoy Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" but without them it just outputs "The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar", thus both satisfying both sides without having to create multiple templates. Regards  So  Why  11:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd rather that the first field in the template be for something like an actual personal message. I don't think we need to have a field to rename it at all. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 12:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed that we should genericize the anti-vandalism barnstar. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 12:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether anyone has asked J.Delanoy what he or she thinks of this idea, but one problem in naming an award after a still active Wikipedian is that any award of it is in a sense in their name. Whilst in the case of a deceased wikipedian any award is partially in memory of them. That is one reason why I would be happy to have awards named after dead Wikipedians, but not after living ones. At the moment the vast majority of people who've ever edited Wikipedia are probably still alive, but I suspect that very few of our Human editors will survive to the end of the century, naming barnstars after dead Wikipedians strikes me as a nice way to commemorate them.  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  12:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Though I'd still prefer we not use names, using Wikipedians that have passed on isn't nearly as objectionable. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 13:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I can has lolcat barnstar?
Wants lolcat barnstar. Thinc gud idea. Mebbe can replaz Rickk barnstar as sumwot funi aweird for dubyus acheevemint. John Carter (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gud idea, mebbe wen fish not kwite rite.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  11:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What?--Username (talk) 12:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * They're using Lolspeak. It's a moderately popular recent internet meme involving humorously doctored images of cats (and sometimes walruses with buckets).  Pay it no mind.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Spongefrog (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Question
Who makes barnstars? Can you make your own? Or do you have to request one? Or is this a question for the HelpDesk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongefrog (talk • contribs)


 * Everyone can make a barnstar but usually it's customary to propose a new barnstar here first because there might already be an award to cover the proposed reasons for it. Regards  So Why  12:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Good good. I propose the "Barnstar of Barnstar Giving". --Username (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That would just encourage people to give out barnstars "en masse", thus making them less valuable for the receiving users. We already got The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar to award those who are extra kind without being asked to which would cover those who give out barnstars to deserving users as well. Regards  So Why  12:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, a Barnstar of Barnstar Giving would be counter-productive. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Aaargh, that hurts my head. But fair enough. It was sort of 76.4% just to get my edit count up by editing wherever possible. --Spongefrog (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow. Sounds like someone has a case of editcountitis.  You'll want to get that checked out by a qualified medical professional.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I know! It's a horrible problem! I read the article but it gives no proffesional help. The only reason I wrote this was to get my count up. I make separate edits, to make a comment and sign it! --Spongefrog (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC) see!

No, That diagnosis is incorrect. I am obssesed with my edit average per day, actually.--Spongefrog (talk) 20:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Renewal of the Admins Barnstars
Hi everybody :). I was asked by another user, if I would like to create a new Admin Barnstar. As it is somewhat a delicate affair to renew such a traditional barnstar, I tried not to change it completely. I finally created an almost identical barnstar. The big difference: the quality.

Ok then... the debate is opened ;)... -- Rectilinium  '♥' 11:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's important to note that the person who asked Rectilinium to make this new Admin Barnstar was User:SoWhy, the original creator of the Admin BStar.<font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 11:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice work. I'd go with 1a or 1c, which look very nice. On the details, maybe the broom needs some visible bristles (like File:Admin mop.PNG has), looks like a rag on a stick somehow. To me. But I shouldn't criticize^^  So  Why  11:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I support 1c, though I also agree with SoWhy's suggestion. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, since it is a mop, and not a broom, I think that the word you're looking for is "strand", not "bristle". And you're right, the original version had more visible strands.  But if you pull a close-up of Rectilinium's versions, you'll see the individual strands.
 * I also like 1a and 1c, with a slight preference for 1c, which retains the b/w color of the mop, and does a better job of showing the individual mop strands. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 11:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the incorrect word. Well, the problem is that it will mostly be used at a resolution of around 100x100 and it should imho show the strands in that resolution. But that's just details, the rest is perfect :-)  So Why  11:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi :)... tried to improve it a bit. Better or worse now? -- Rectilinium  '♥'  12:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's better now :-) I'd go with 1a now.  So Why  12:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd go for 1c. Mop colour's nicer, and not as "misty" as 1d :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think with 1c the mop and the logo color are too similar and might look washed-out on lower resolutions:
 * Admin-Barnstar-1a.png vs. Admin-Barnstar-1c.png
 * Comparing 1a with 1c on 100px (which is the usual barnstar size), I think the 1a one makes it easier to distiguish to mop from the rest. Regards  So Why  13:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I still prefer 1c; in part this is because of the color. Years ago, I spent a lot of time getting paid to use a mop, and the color of 1c just looks more like the real thing, I think. Plus, to me, the yellowish color of the mop strands in 1a make it look like broomstraw.  However, my feelings are not strong on this matter, and I think that a lot of deference needs to be given to SoWhy's opinion, as SW was the one who first created this BStar that Rect is improving.  I've said my piece; I'm okay with whichever you all decide upon.  Thanks, Rect! <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  02:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok then, I hope Im not causing confusion by uploading another version. I tried to make one more barntars because: I tried to make a pic with a black/white mop, but that has the same lighting conditions and contrasts like 1a. Not sure if this one is ok. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 07:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * (←) Just because Rectilinium does a great job improving my old version, it's still not my decision. When I created it, it became the community's barnstar, so the decision is theirs. I prefer 1a but I do not mind 1c or 1e either (rather 1e though, it has better lighting imho). Regards  So Why  07:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Aye, I'm not really bothered about this eithier :). Just think 1c looks more mop-like (and looking at the new one (1e) that shows up better). So yeah, me for 1e ;) - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1e works for me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I liked 1c, but 1e is even better. We appear to be approaching consensus on this. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  00:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I was asked by SoWhy to re-upload version 1e as File:Admin Barnstar.png so it overwrites the previous one and is still linked to all pages. Thats what I did. If you you think it was to early to make the upload, please feel free to revert the upload :). With kind regards -- Rectilinium  '♥' 09:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

New barnstar
The Music Barnstar

Check it out!

tsunamishadow (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm, there's no image or link here, buddy. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The template is The Music Barnstar, but we do already have a music barnstar at Music Barnstar - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. To be honest, I favor keeping the original Barnstar (Music Barnstar).  I like the image better, with the sheet music.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I also favour that barnstar...but since its not the one I made I can't put it there. When I also checked on Barnstars it wasn't there...which is why I decided to create this one. You can discuss at length about it if you wan't to. But I'm keeping mine. :D tsunamishadow (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The original is found at Awards_by_WikiProject - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed the well-intended usurper and placed the original award on the BS page. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 05:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There should be consensus on the barnstars, instead of hijacking them. <font face="Old English Text MT"> Johnny Au   (talk/contributions) 03:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a reminder
Anyone care to add to the discussions above on the Space Barnstar, the Categorization Barnstar, or the User Page Barnstar? I love what Rect has done with the Space and UserPage BStars, and would like a couple more comments before we adopt any of these. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 02:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Another question
How exactly do you make barnstars?--Spongefrog (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * First create an image (like this one). Then a template (like this one). Then add it to the WP:BARN page (like this (only changing links name etc.). But it might be a good idea to suggest new barnstars on this page before doing that. If that doesn't make sense ask for me to clarify further and I'll attempt to do so :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Um...how do you make an image and a template. Is there an article that tells you how to do this? How do questions on this page get responses so fast? --Spongefrog (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because lots of users have it one their watchlist I guess. The two links above (Help:Upload & Help:Templates) should explain that - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks a lot. Bye. --Spongefrog (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hammer and sickle symbol
Greetings! I was just looking on this page and found something about what I wanted to ask a question. It is concerning this barnstar:

It is only logical, that editors, who do good work on the articles related to Communism or Socialism deserve to get an award like this barnstar and of course it is also in order to have a special barnstar about this topic (as every other).

My question is related to the Hammer and sickle symbol on the bottom of the image.

For those who are not exactly familiar with the circumstances: Hammer and sickle is a symbol of Communism, an extremist (left wing) ideology that was (and still is in some cases as North Korea for instance) accomplished in single-party totalitarian dictatorships, where denial of humar rights was/is on public order. I am from the Czech Republic, formely Czechoslovakia, a country that was occupied by Stalinist-Soviet troops for more than 40 years. And I can't belive that a symbol of terror that killed several members of my immediate family and millions of other people is used here in 2009 as an award. I find this barnstar very offensive against anyone, who lives in the affected counties - exactly as eagle atop swastika on a barnstar related to articles about national socialism would be offensive for a German or a Jew. Honestly said, I do not know how this kind of symbols are seen and treated in US, Australia and UK (where most of English Wikipedia editors are form), but in most of European regions, any extremist symbolism including Hammer and sickle or Hitler salute is strictly prohibited. - That would be the explanation of what does the symbol mean if you are not very familiar with this period of European history.

I've read some guidelines such as WP:CENS and WP:NOTCENSORED, but I did not find anything related to this. These policies is predominantly about articles, not any wikipedia community affairs.

I think the title "The Workers' Barnstar" is an appropriate practical joke related to socialist vocabulary. But "does Wikipedia need to glorify extremist symbolism (such as Hammer and sickle or Swastika) by using it as an award among the wikipedia community, which is supposed to be neutral?"

Thanks anyone who takes his/her time to answer. Cheers--  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate possible offence, what other symbol would you use to represent communism and socialism that was instantly recognisable? As far as I know, the symbol is only banned in Hungary, Latvia and Lithuania. It just isn't seen as offensive in most Western cultures. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 21:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if the graphic was without the hammer and sicle, it would have looked almost the same. But I see that only people from central and eastern Europe are stunned by this, thus I can't do much about it. So lets forget it. Cheers :) --  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 11:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Separate issue—the name itself
My biggest problem with this award is the name of the Barnstar. The "Worker's" Barnstar? That only works if you buy into the totally discredited notion that these Communist states were actually run on the behalf of the common, ordinary, working man and woman. That's what I find offensive. What about calling this the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat Barnstar"? <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 02:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I can accept the title. There's nothing wrong about the word "worker" itslef, and in this context I believe it is ment to be a joke. It is common to make fun of the communist terminology. What shocked me was the symbol in a context of an award. But to honour someone with hammer and sicke or swastika is obviously not offensive in countries where these symbols do not play a significant role in their history. So if it is allright for the others, I can deal with it.--  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 11:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really see a problem with either the image or the name. Additionally, I don't think we should discount all the good that socialism can amount to just because of the excesses of Stalinist and Maoist regimes.  Just because the revolutions were hijacked by dictators doesn't mean that the concept is completely invalid, or that the world should not continue gradual progression towards a peaceful transition to a more just and equitable society.  Just my opinion, though; either way, I don't see any need to change the Barnstar, especially since the Hammer and Sickle still continue to be used as a symbol by various ctill extant communist parties around the world.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Titles
Is it possible/allowed to replace the title on a barnstar, so it looks like it is a new barnstar (even though it has the same image)? --Spongefrog (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean use the same Barnstar image on a totally different template? Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly. But its OK I've figured it out. Thanks anyway. --Spongefrog (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Multiple types of ribbons
Why are there so many different ribbons to choose from, AND there are still some awards without a ribbon at-all while some barnstars have 5 different ribbons. Is there anyway that one ribbon can be chosen to represent each award and leave it at that? <font color="#7A60F8">Gaia Octavia Agrippa <font color="#C560F8">Talk | <font color="#6093F8">Sign 21:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek barnstar
Just made it, but I didn't think I had to nominate it first, sorry. Made to be awarded to a user who had recently done the rounds of a lot of Star Trek articles to improve them through updating templates and other sundry tasks, I felt they deserved it. Alastairward (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There should be a space background and the USS Enterprise on it as well, or else it would look like a normal barnstar with the Star Trek insignia on it. <font face="Old English Text MT"> Johnny Au   (talk/contributions) 03:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Which enterprise? I would prefer 1701 before refit.  Oh, and awhile ago, I proposed a star wars one.  What did anybody think of it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukefan3 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The one Alastairward put forward looks fine to me, especially since it is just under personal user awards. I encourage everyone to remember that, sometimes, people just want to make a barnstar and contribute it, not spend days designing it to our specifications.  If you have a suggestion for improvement, sometimes it works to make it yourself.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

An idea
I've got lots of ideas.--<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 04:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, what's a cruise ship for? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I was just testing out stuff. --<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 11:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. May I suggest the sandbox for future test edits, to help avoid confusion.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No, not like that. I wasn't testing it here, I was just seeing if we needed anything like that. --<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 12:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Vandal wacking stick
What if the ball on the end was changed to a star? --<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 14:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How would this be any different/better then our Anti-Vandalism award, which we already have enough variations of? - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello?
Is anyone even on this Wikiproject anymore? --<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 14:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Now what do you want. In fact, you can ask Nutiketaiel, I'm going to bed. Spongefrog (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

What!? This is a Wikiproject? Oh, I'm not a member thing, I'm changing my re. to "no". Spongefrog (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Missing Barnstar (We're in a Level 6 Pandemic, people, so this one's important!)
I looked at all of the barnstars, and I saw that you forgot one, especially when we're in a pandemic period. Look at this page. I received one of the barnstars mentioned there and it is shown on my awards page, yet there is not even a speck of info relating to that barnstar. I suggest someone adds info in this project page, because I don't know how to make a barnstar. Wait a minute, I know how to make that one. Typingwestern015 (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It would probably be most appropriate under the personal user awards page, probably in the topic-related awards section. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you mean a disease barnstar, I agree with you. If it's a Swine 'Flu barnstar, I don't because it will be gotten rid of like smallpox in no time. So which one do you really want? Kayau (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)