Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women/Archive 10

Invitation to help improve and translate in other languages 16 biographies about African women
In the run up to International Women’s Day on the 8th March, Wiki Loves Women is launching the on-Wikipedia translated drive #16WikiWomen : 16 African Women Translate-a-thon

The idea is for Wikipedians to take 16 days to translate the Wikipedia biographies of 16 notable African women, into at least 16 languages (African and/or international languages).

The articles to be translated will be the biographies of African women. The list of language can be, but is not limited to:
 * International languages: Arabic, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, German
 * African languages: Akan, Afrikaans, Igbo, Hausa, Wolof, Tswana, Zulu, Xhosa, Shona, Swahili, Yoruba, Sudanese, Amharic, Tsonga, Ewe, Sesotho, Chichewa

The list of the 16 women biographies that will be translated are:
 * 1) Malouma, a Mauritanian singer, songwriter and politician
 * 2) Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge, a South African politician.
 * 3) Cri-Zelda Brits, a South African cricketer
 * 4) Anna Tibaijuka, a Tanzanian politician and former under-secretary-general of the United Nations
 * 5) Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti, a Nigerian women’s rights activist
 * 6) Flora Nwapa, a Nigerian author who writes predominantly in Igbo
 * 7) Samia Yusuf Omar, a sprinter from Somalia
 * 8) Maggie Laubser, a South African painter
 * 9) Fatima Massaquoi, a pioneering educator from Liberia
 * 10) Frances Ames, a South African neurologist, psychiatrist, and human rights activist
 * 11) Asmaa Mahfouz, a Egyptian activist. The best version is currently in Arabic : Asmaa Mahfouz
 * 12) Yaa Asantewaa, the legendary former Queen Mother of Ghana
 * 13) Fatou Bensouda, a Gambian lawyer
 * 14) Martha Karua, a Kenyan politician
 * 15) Chinwendu Ihezuo, a Nigerian professional footballer
 * 16) Nassima Saifi, a Paralympian athlete from Algeria

Please jump in! Whilst all those articles already exist in English, you may improve them... or you may translate them into another language you know, or you relay the project in other linguistic communities. If you wish to participate, please feel free to add your name and any comments here : 16 African Women Translate-a-thon/participants Results will be tracked on this page : 16 African Women Translate-a-thon/tracking

Thanks

Anthere (talk) 10:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Red's Role Models editathon on Women's Colleges
Please forward this invitation to all potentially interested contacts

Featured list candidate: Feedback requested
List of international goals scored by Abby Wambach is currently a featured list candidate seeking additional feedback before it can be passed. All of the previously submitted comments for improvement have been incorporated. Please consider taking a look and adding a comment of support (or suggestions for improvement) to Featured list candidates/List of international goals scored by Abby Wambach/archive1 so the review can be completed. Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 01:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Day Without a Woman
Project members and page watchers are invited to help expand Draft:Day Without a Woman. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC) Day Without a Woman. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

WP Women Musicians
Has any project covering women musicians been considered, or is there a better established alternative? Daphne Lantier  08:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there, . Good question! While there WikiProjects for various women's "occupations", e.g. artists, writers, scientists, there isn't one for women musicians. You and/or someone could create it, or Women in Red could facilitate a women musicians editathon. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Starting a whole new project sounds daunting for someone inexperienced like me, but I think that's the right way to go. The project would have plenty of high level articles like Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj. Overall there would be a lot of articles. I'll have to look into just how hard it would be. Daphne Lantier  23:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Ade Abayomi Olufeko inquiry (How can a deleted article be retrieved?)
Ade Abayomi Olufeko is a Nigerian American who happens to be a Technologist, Designer and Entrepreneur. He was recently interviewed by Vanguard http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/03/future-considerably-female-ade-olufeko/ on International Women Day where he shared great insights on his works in empowering women.

Kindly advice on how to retrieve his articles deleted here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ad%C3%A9_Olufeko — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleFam (talk • contribs) 10:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Fearless Girl statue
To commemorate International Women's Day, I invite project members to help expand the newly-created article, Fearless Girl. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Slightly expanded the article ... and then created an article for her sculptor, Kristen Visbal. Pam  D  15:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

GAR
Members of this project might be interested in Good article reassessment/Demi Lovato/1. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:10, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

RfC on merger proposal toward Nilüfer Demir
The discussion Talk:Death of Alan Kurdi is still ongoing. I invite you to comment. --George Ho (talk) 21:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

How do I add articles to the project?
I'm working on two drafts about women (Draft:Marisha Ray and Draft:Ala'a Basatneh) and I've been wondering. How does one go about adding pages to the WikiProject? And by that I mean, how do I add that big notice box to the talk page announcing that a page is part of the project? (for future reference)-- Alex (talk) 00:11, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just edit the article talk page and add . If it's a biography, also add  .  Pam  D  09:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

International Women's Strike
Editors are invited to assist with expanding the International Women's Strike stub. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Nevertheless, she persisted
Should there be a Wikipedia article for the phrase, "Nevertheless, she persisted"? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:12, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. See Nevertheless, she persisted. Great minds think alike! (Or is it that Fools never differ?) Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 11:41, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, she persisted is now in DYK prep area 5, tentatively to be on Main Page April 30/May 1, depending on time zone. It has not yet been assessed. Any reviewers available? Cheers! —

Question re: AFD started by sock
Does anyone here know if there any kind of policies for what happens to an editor's contributions after s/he who has been confirmed as a sockpuppet? The Alis Rowe AFD was started and flooded with arguments (see also WP:STONEWALL) from a confirmed and now-banned sockpuppet, but the AFD remains open. Hmlarson (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

March Against Hate
Project members are invited to participate in the AfD discussion re: Portland Women March Against Hate. I've expressed an interest in moving the article to March Against Hate, and expanding its scope to cover more than just Portland. I welcome editors to either contribute to the ongoing discussion or help expand this article's section for other cities. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:18, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Lisa Kemmerer
Would someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at Lisa Kemmerer and assessing it? Article was moved directly to the mainspace by its creator, who is a SPA and may have a COI, Neither of these mean the article should be deleted, but the sources currently cited are not really sufficient for establishing notability per WP:BIO or WP:PROF. Googling her does get a number of hits, but not many seem to be significant coverage. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

RfC on the WP:ANDOR guideline
Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Press contact
Hi there. I am writing a piece about women and wikipedia for a leading news organisation and would like to get a quote from a core member of your team. Could you contact me on lilysilverton@gmail.com many thanks! Lily LilySilverton (talk) 15:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * did y'all see this? SusunW (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello . Thanks for reaching out. I've sent you an email. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Woot! How awesome, ! Thank you for emailing, . :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:32, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I am still hoping we can create a relationship with the press to get them to cover women in a manner similar to how they cover men. To do that, we can never pass up an opportunity to create networks and engage ;) SusunW (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , exactly! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Well I am always excited to see someone in the journalism field working on this. Currently we only have Gender bias on Wikipedia and there are very few other Wikipedia languages that have been able to make an article on this subject survive. It would help if a) more than just English Wikipedia is referenced and b) more than just the fact that Wikipedia has a gender bias (it does, but no bigger than the rest of society - the biggest issue is gender bias in sources). Jane (talk) 15:44, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Rape in Kashmir Insurgency
Dear all, we need urgent input from this project at Talk:Rape in Kashmir Insurgency. See especially my comments at the end. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi,, thanks for bringing it to our attention. I've tried to add to the article and I saw another member of this project do so, only to have our edits reverted. In light of the discussion, it seemed to make sense to add additional references, so that it's clear that the article passes GNG and is not a fork. My references were from Times of India and New York Times and did not seem to have any particular POV bias.
 * The reverting editor claims that "The page is the subject of a POV-fork dispute; Sorry you cannot add anything to it, until dispute is resolved." I've never run into such a claim before. Normally, I do AfD discussions and often am able to help with the discussion by actually adding to the article. If I'm in the wrong, I need to know. Anyone else ever run into this in a POV-fork discussion? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:11, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When I opened an edit page of the article just now, there were 2 notices, one that it is semi-protected so only autoconfirmed editors may edit (through May 28), and another on the discretionary sanctions applied to any edits applied to pages on India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, along with a prohibition in bold against more than one revert per 24 hours. The official notes say nothing about a POV-fork dispute. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your input into the discussion. There was originally a move request filed (i.e., a proposal to retitle the page). One of the senior editors that came to provide input decided that the page should be merged instead, and has since been blocking all edits to the page. Frankly, I am surprised with his attitude. Let me ping who was monitoring the original move request to see if he can offer any help in this regard. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I notice that the senior editor has withdrawn from the page. Anthony, problem resolved for now. Sorry for the false alarm. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up, ! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Article alerts
Is there a way we can ensure articles tagged with the Women's sport project are included in the article alerts for WP Women? Thomai Kezios is an example that is tagged with Women's sport but won't show up in WP:Women alerts unless tagged with WP:Women. Hmlarson (talk) 21:17, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * See also WikiProject Women's sport/Article alerts. Thank you Hmlarson (talk) 21:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

RfC on citing significant relationships in BLP
A Request for Comment has been created on this talk page. Input is appreciated. Lapadite (talk) 01:31, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report
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An image of Jill Saward at DRV
The deletion of File:Jill Saward BBC interview 2013.png is challenged at WP:deletion review, where I invite you to improve consensus. --George Ho (talk) 10:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Help prove notability (hopefully)
Of Florence Gabrielle Abiola Adeniran. I tagged it for prod due to notability concerns, but after the creator asked on my talk page, I took a second look, did some c/e, and since this is borderline topic of much interest to our systemic bias projects (African doctor, claims of first Nigerian doctor, etc.) I bring it here. Can you help find better sources? Can someone provide screenshots of the Life/Time issue in question? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Dispute about feminist philosophy journal
There's a dispute about a feminist philosophy journal at WP:AN. It's specifically about what kinds of sources are regarded as RS for the inclusion of women's names, in case anyone is interested. See here. SarahSV (talk) 02:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The dispute at AN is about an admin's behaviour. But anyone wanting to comment on the content dispute is welcomed to bring the topic up at WT:JOURNALS, although I would advise people to read read WP:JWG and User talk:Randykitty for background. It is specifically not about women's names, it is about whether or not academic journals articles should list the editorial board's members. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Category deletion discussion that may be of interest to some of you
Howdy. Through my film and tv editing stuff, I became aware of this Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 6. It seemed like a category in which your project might cross paths with the tv project and I thought some folks might want to comment. Cheers. Millahnna (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this, . We obviously need to maintain these categories, in addition to all the other categories we have on women. Not too long ago, Category:Women translators was deleted as a result of a discussion like this, causing me days and days of recategorization!--Ipigott (talk) 10:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Current sporting seasons > Football (soccer) 2017
A request for comment has been initiated related to the inclusion of women's football/soccer leagues in the Current Events portal. Input is welcome: Portal talk:Current events Hmlarson (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Terrayne Crawford


The article Terrayne Crawford has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. —  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   09:52, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC regarding the WP:Lead guideline -- the first sentence
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:21, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

TFAR for Jennifer Lawrence
There is a request for Jennifer Lawrence to be featured on the main page for her upcoming birthday on August 15th. See Today's featured article/requests/Jennifer Lawrence for more. Would prefer responses sooner rather than later. Snuggums (talk / edits</b>) 20:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Featured article candidate: Mia Hamm
The Mia Hamm article is currently a featured article candidate. Feedback is appreciated: Featured article candidates/Mia Hamm/archive1. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Nina Godiwalla
I found Nina Godiwalla at CSD, tagged by a drive-by IP, and removed the tag with a note to take it to AFD. The article has issues on sourcing, but I think it should be discussed before being deleted. — Maile (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Revised enough to remove advert tag; added sources to most statements. Still has 3 cn tags, but I've run out of time to work on it. Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I believe the article has been saved from future attempts to delete it. — Maile  (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your efforts here. I am often surprised that editors who nominate articles for deletion fail to follow the instructions to first check (step D) whether reliable sources are available... especially "drive-by IP" editors, as you noted. Thanks for taking the extra time to salvage this article, especially considering it had considerable cruft and no sources when we started today! Cheers. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 23:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Galina Dodon
Galina Dodon, first lady of Moldova is up for deletion. There are a lot of sources, but they are all in Russian (?) and Google translate mangles them for me. I can't tell if she's notable or not. If anyone's fluent, please take a look. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Advice on cosmetics
Does anyone here know about any guidelines or essays that give advice on writing and sourcing articles specifically on cosmetics?

I'm somehow involved in a dispute about whether a peer-reviewed review article in an academic journal is good enough to say that a given oil is used in shampoo. The main argument against the source appears to be that the source expresses enthusiasm for the oil. I'm left feeling like someone's decided that chemists can only know whether an ingredient is used in shampoo if they don't like the ingredient. It's very weird. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Request for comment: WP:NFOOTY guideline
A request for comment is open regarding a proposed change to the WP:NFOOTY guideline here: RfC: Proposal for WP:NFOOTY guideline. Input is welcome. Hmlarson (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Jill Cohn
Would someone from this Wikiprojet take a look at and assess Jill Cohn? It was prod deleted a couple of years ago, but has just been de-prodded after a contest by someone claiming to be Cohn herself. If it can be saved, then fine; otherwise, AfD might need to be considered. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:46, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Caly Bevier
hi, have just added Articles for deletion/Caly Bevier to the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women, i know Bevier has WPWomen on her talkpage so was already picked up in the project alert list but anyway would like to apologise for having missed her. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:56, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Rachel Parent
Hi, i have just (rather cheekily:)) added Rachel Parent to the WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00 as expanded (i really just did a bit of a cleanup), i came across the article at afd here - Articles for deletion/Rachel Parent, as the article didn't have a talkpage with relevant projects, it does now, thought i would give you a heads up. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing so, . --Rosiestep (talk) 20:01, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Adding WikiProject Women's health
I hope no one minds but I would like to include WP:WikiProject Women's health as part of WikiProject Women. Let me know if this is unacceptable. Barbara (WVS) ✐   ✉  19:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * , yes, absolutely. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Is there a mailing list or is most communication done here on the talk page? Barbara (WVS) ✐   ✉  20:05, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think if you just add your project to the affiliates template on the project page you will create the association, but I am not in the least Wikitechnical. Totally support your adding the Women's health project as an affiliate. SusunW (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * , there's no mailing list, so the conversations take place on this talkpage. You can add WikiProject Women's health here. Also, if you wish, you can become a member of WikiProject Women. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And I will add my name to the project member list. A new topic-Another editor and myself have come up with a search template that quickly finds references related to any (notable) topic. I would like to put it on talk pages, perhaps ones that are identified on the project page. It's already used on thousands of talk pages already so it isn't something new. I think you will be very pleased. I have been able to create articles in just minutes because of this template. I will come back and post more information on how it works and how it helps find references and content. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐   ✉  22:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

September 2017 at Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2017 (UTC) via MassMessaging

ISO 4 redirects help!
Thanks. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Gonna on this. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth I've never used any of that to find an abbreviated title. I usually go to advanced search then type in the journal title in the top box (selecting "Title: All (KTIL)" from the drop down menu) and in the next field put the ISSN number (selecting "LCCN-ISBN-ISSN (KNUM)" from the drop down menu). I then add limits "Type of Material = Periodical or newspaper".
 * That then gives me the LCCN entry, such as this one with abbreviated title, then I add capitals, full stops (period) and remove commas. Which in this case would be J. Phys. A. Math. Theor. which is what NCBI seem to have it as too (link). I may leave it to people who know more about it. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 10:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * There are other ways of getting the ISO abbreviation sure, but the LTWA is the authoritative source. This morning, a user also developed a small script/website here which we'll be making use of very shortly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * the automated tool is live now. It's not perfect, but it's good in 95% of cases. Take a look at any articles missing ISO redirects (you might have to WP:PURGE the page first however). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Whenever I create or expand a journal article I'll try and track down any missing ISO abbreviations. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Mostly thinking about those you already created. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Uma Thurman stalking case
Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Uma Thurman. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to rename WikiProject Women's sport or create new WikiProject Women in Sports
I have created a proposal to rename WikiProject Women's sport (or create new WikiProject Women in Sports w/ new WikiProject format). Input is welcome: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport. The proposed change encompasses women who work/play in sports (not just women's sport) such as broadcasters, officials, coaches of men's teams, etc. In addition, there are numerous cases like Holly Neher (currently nominated for deletion) who plays on a high school American football team and has received worldwide news coverage, but doesn't play in a women's league/team. Hmlarson (talk) 16:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding women athletes to article alerts for WP:Women
I would like to submit a bot request for (see 14 WikiProject tagging) to tag articles tagged with  with the  tag so that articles about women athletes and women in sports appear in the article alerts for WikiProject Women when they are nominated for deletion. Here is a current list WikiProject Women's sport/Article alerts (although I have manually tagged WP Women on most if not all).

The bot request requires a discussion at the project before proceeding with the request. If there is an alternative method for ensuring the women in sports articles are included in the WP Women article alerts, let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmlarson (talk • contribs) 7:22 am, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Hmlarson (talk) 06:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support I don't really have a problem with having a larger audience and more eyes looking at articles which are nominated for deletion. SusunW (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support --Rosiestep (talk) 20:01, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Against In the past we had specifically said Do Not add a WikiProject Women tag to articles that already have WikiProject Women's sport. Check the old discussions as i will be removing these additions. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you provide links to the previous discussions you're citing ? Per the discussion here, they're being tagged so that articles about women athletes and women in sports appear in the article alerts for WikiProject Women. Or did you have a suggested alternative? Hmlarson (talk) 02:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "WikiProject Women's sport" is more specific and does the job well. There is no reason to add the less precise "WikiProject Women" to all these hundreds of articles. Just because it is not showing up on article alerts for "WikiProject Women" is not a good reason. Either have the editors that care also check the "WikiProject Women's sport" article alerts, or figure out some way to forward those alerts to "WikiProject Women." As to where it was located... if it wasn't here then it was on your talk page, since I do believe the discussion had you in it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:09, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Here's one of the discussions. If an article is already tagged with "WikiProject Women's sport" we do not add less specific tags. Just because you don't get alerts is not a good reason for tagging. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And I looked at another discussion from a year ago where two administrators explained it to YOU. So your memory on this is not the best. I went though and specifically made sure on many many articles that if it was tagged with "WikiProject Women's sport" (which all women's tennis articles should be tagged), then the WikiProject Women tag was removed. This bot destroys that work based on multiple discussions and now I have to fix what it has done. It now needs to be run so that if it finds a "WikiProject Women's sport" tag, that it removes any "WikiProject Women" tags. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ,, , , , would you be willing to weigh in on this? I see more recent discussions in 2016 related to requests like these that you contributed to. Thoughts? Hmlarson (talk) 02:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * See also these more recent discussions:
 * Question_re:_project_tagging_on_articles_about_women_athletes_.2F_women_in_sport
 * Archive_7#Talk_page_tagging_proposal
 * Help_tagging_Category:Women_physicians and also pinging and  who have contributed to a few related discussions here.


 * The consensus throughout these discussions indicates a more inclusive approach and is what this particular bot request was created for. If there was a technical issue with the tagging, please clarify what happened so it can be resolved. Hmlarson (talk) 02:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The consensus from prior discussions specifically about whether to add "WikiProject Women" to talk pages that already have a more specific variant is that we do not add the more general tag. That is why they were removed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Provide a link? The previous one you provided is from 2015. I've since provided several from 2016. Hmlarson (talk) 03:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And the ones you provided do not have the consensus you said they do.... they are more the opposite. In fact, your first link is your own query where two administrators told you you were wrong. You have been told multiple times it is not the way to do it, so I'm guessing you thought this would get through without past editors noticing. A soon as a billion tennis articles started changing we certainly noticed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I am unsure what the point of this would be. Wouldn't it make more sense to consider Women's Sports as a type of sub-project to this one and add all notifications that project gets to this project as well? Or, alternatively, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the two split, so that editors can decide for themselves whether they want to see female athlete article alerts as well? Adding adding the Women WikiProject template that already have a template for a sub-project sounds like it would decrease the usefulness that keeping these projects split has. ~ Mable ( chat ) 07:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Checking a page linked earlier in this discussion, I found this useful list of alert pages that can be followed if people are interested in doing so. Perhaps this list should be on this WikiProject's front page? ~ Mable ( chat ) 08:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Women/Article alerts
 * WikiProject Women artists/Article alerts
 * WikiProject Women scientists/Article alerts
 * WikiProject Women writers/Article alerts
 * WikiProject Women's History/Article alerts
 * WikiProject Women's sport/Article alerts


 * And following these alert pages to keep informed makes sense. Thanks for listing them again. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The Wp:Women in Red project instructs editors to add WP Women or WP Women's History to talk pages of all biog articles on women, split as to whether born post- or pre-1950. One of the September projects is Women in the Olympics and Paralympics. Editors following those instructions will be adding articles to the Women project as well as (hopefully) "Women in Sport" - there's a need for clarification. as interested parties at WiR.  Pam  D  07:56, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find where the Wp:Women in Red project guidelines say to add WP Women or WP Women's History... I must be looking in the wrong place. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * See for example WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/55 and look at right-hand boxes, "Add to Article talk pages" (this is part of the standard template for each editathon). Pam  D  13:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Tiny little print in the right hand column is kind of funky. It doesn't specifically say to add them to all articles on women, but it should probably be better worded so as not to add it to articles that already have a more specific tag. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We say to add those so that the articles are tagged with something. We could be more specific in the editathon pages and I can make sure I do that in the future. We were worried about people being overwhelmed about having to know about all of the different projects. I myself monitor all of them with a list, but I wouldn't mind a central list. Also, another good place to monitor is WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women. Many of those articles aren't tagged at all! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:33, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would agree that if nothing is tagged on an article talkpage, then tagging it with WP Women is fine and dandy... it needs to have something there. But if it does have a better more narrow tag in place then tagging it further is a poor choice and should not be done. It should say as much in that little right hand box on the Women in Red project page. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What we probably need is some kind of automatic linking from Women in sports to both Women and Women in Red so that participants in these projects can be informed of article alerts. I don't know whether this is feasible but I tend to agree that the priority should continue to be the posting on Women in sports. Perhaps would like to contribute to this discussion.--Ipigott (talk) 08:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And any suggestion like "Remove WP Women from articles already tagged with WP Women's Sport" needs to be done with great care - consider Veera Ruoho who is a politician as well as an Olympic sportswoman. Pam  D  08:16, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * However, how many new multiplications of WP Women were just added with the bot in question? Those should be removed as fast as they were added by the same bot... it's taking me forever to fix things. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , - I agree with "... need is some kind of automatic linking from Women in sports to both Women and Women in Red so that participants in these projects can be informed of article alerts" This is relevant not only for Women in sports but other projects like the recent request for WikiProject Women's Health to be "added" by . Is this something you're also interested in Barbara WVS)?

Hmlarson (talk) 16:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to see just one "Article alerts" list covering all women, whether in sport, or created under Women in Red, or whatever, rather than have to monitor several different lists to look out for interesting women who've been PRODded or AfD'd. Pam  D  14:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that many editors would only want to see a specific alert list, so we need the individual alerts but something written so that all the alerts get melded together in one place for those who want it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If the goal is to have one master list of all women-related discussion/alerts at WP:WOMEN, that should be fairly straightforward to do. Make sure all women-related Wikiproject banners put articles in a category like Category:All women-related pages, and then update the WP:AALERTS subscription for WP:WOMEN to use the category. I'm at work, so I'm giving a short reply so techy people can get cracking on it, but I can be more detailed later tonight if this is confusing. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The WP Women banner adds Category:WikiProject Women articles. What do you think about Category:WikiProject Women-related articles for the new one? Hmlarson (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC) Or can we just add Category:WikiProject Women articles to the affiliated project banner templates? - thoughts? Hmlarson (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Completely neutral on what solution is best. If you want a WP Women-specific category to only get those tagged directly with the banner, that's cool, set up an additional master category . If you don't care, and want to use the existing one because you don't consider the WP Women-tagged anything particularly special, use the existing one. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I'll go with the latter for now. It can always be changed in the future, if needed. Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 23:00, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Female Viking Warrior
I don't know if there are any Game of Thrones fans of Lady Brienne of Tarth here, but there is a story going viral since this weekend about a Swedish viking warrior grave that contains a female skeleton based on recent DNA findings. I uploaded the grave sketch by the initial archaeologist, but maybe there is enough for an article about the gravesite? I don't speak Swedish, so can't help. Jane (talk) 10:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I read a finnish news article about this just recently. It was very interesting. link(finnish). A short summary & quick translation of the beginning:

Sweden's most notable Viking warrior was a woman after all - "She had most likely planned and lead battles" For over a century, archeologists and historians have assumed that a Viking corpse discovered from a grave together with weapons and horses was a man. The grave discovered from the Viking era city, Birka is one of the most notable graves of a Viking warrior in Sweden. A study published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology reveals that recent bone and dna tests have pointed out that the Viking warrior who was most likely a war chief is, in fact a woman. "The corpse is in fact, a woman a little over 30 years old and quite tall, about 170 centimeters archeologist Charlotte Hedenstierna-Jonson from Uppsala University tells The Local magazine. Perfect warrior equipment was found in the grave. A sword, an axe, armor piercing arrows, a fighting knife, shields, two horses and also a board game. She carried a board game on her hips. Or more likely it was a war game which could be used to test fighting tactics and strategies. It implies that this was an notable war chief. She had most likely planned and lead battles, says Hedestierna-Jonson. The grave was discovered in the 1800's by archeologist Hjalmar Stolpe. According to modern scientists it is without a doubt one of the best grave sites ever found belonging to a Viking warrior. Because the war equipment found in the grave in the 1800's was thought to be very masculine it was assumed without any testing/research that the corpse belonged to a man. Some years ago, bone researcher Anna Kjellström from the Stockholm University started studying the bones in relation to another study. She soon noticed that everything was not how it seemed. The corpse's cheek bones were thinner than men's usually are and the hips were typical female hips. Kjellström's additional tests to the bones supported the theory that the remains belonged to a woman so the research was continued. Now a dna test done to the remains has undisputably proven that the Viking warrior was a woman.

Sorry for the shitty trans, I'm in a rush. Waiting to hear more about this. Hopefully English articles will follow. Dinosaurseatpancakes (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh and the links(doh): A female Viking warrior confirmed by genomics and Viking warrior found in Sweden was a woman, researchers confirm . Why did I even translate that lol, oh well! Need a break. Dinosaurseatpancakes (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow nice work! I noticed Birka is there as a site, but this specific gravesite should have its own page now - indeed with those links as a start. I was hoping for some link to the original diary of the 19th-century and then with the a link to the updated DNA analysis. I am not up with archaeology article policy, so it's not something I would dive into normally. Jane (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

We now have Birka female Viking warrior. This Guardian article claims the point is not that she is a warrior, but the way this story took so long to be taken seriously because of systemic bias in archaeology (!!!!) Jane (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Should the WP:TALK guideline discourage interleaving?
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red October editathon invitation
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Project Proposal: Investigating the Impact of Implicit Bias on Wikipedia
Hi Friends! Here is the current draft of my project proposal: Investigating the Impact of Implicit Bias on Wikipedia. I value your input and would greatly appreciate your feedback. Please share it on the project proposal discussion page. Thank you in advance! Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 04:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)