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One-day online recruitment editathon in connection with Ada Lovelace Day
In view of the highly successful online Wikimedia Women in Red panel presentation, I suggested on Rosiestep's talk page that we could use a similar online approach for a two-hour recruitment editathon which could be repeated two or three times the same day for different time zones. The two hours could consist of three or four short inspiring introductory presentations, possibly by some of the Wikimedia panelists, while most of the remaining time could be devoted to short practical exercises on Wikipedia editing. The participants could be completely new editors or editors who have recently joined but have not yet gained much experience in editing. They would have a week to draft their first article. Their work could then be reviewed and discussed at lessons learnt sessions a week after the editathons. Now that several key contributors have supported the approach, we need to plan the online sessions in some detail. As I have little experience either of online presentations or of editathons, I was hoping that and/or  could coordinate planning unless there are any other offers. It now looks as if the event could be held in connection with Ada Lovelace Day on Friday, 8 October, perhaps with lessons learnt sessions on Saturday, 15 October. So we still have plenty of time for planning and any further suggestions.--Ipigott (talk) 09:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Some ideas that were mentioned might make this even more inviting. Make this 24 hour - so those who think we are antipodean could appeal to their newbies too and to have a follow-up - "Around the Globe". I have approached one of our NZ members - we do have some great WIR contributors from down under. I suspect we could get Emmeline Pankhurst's home as a nominal base if we ask Carol Ann?? Doing it on Ada's day would make it more appealing to the media. Ada and Emmeline, Gendergap and Global should hit some media buttons. Victuallers (talk) 10:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , the 24 hour approach is a really good idea as we have WiR enthusiasts all over the world. While having a physical base of operations isn't required as this will be a virtual event, I think it would be great if Carol Ann were interested in participating and if Emmeline Pankhurst's home could be used as a nominal base, e.g. for purposes of the media. Thanks for suggesting it,, but I have some time-pressing wiki responsibilities right now so I am not best suited to coordinate planning (though I'd be glad to participate the day of). Surely there are other pagewatchers who might have time and inclination to coordinte planning, for example, some of the other Wikimania 2021 WiR panelists? --Rosiestep (talk) 11:04, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have suggested we should include a clear link to this in the invitation for September in order to identify others who are interested in helping with the event as well as existing members who might like to take advantage of the practical exercises on basic editing, etc. I'm not too clear about what Roger means by making this 24 hour. I had the same idea from the start but I was thinking of three or four two-hour sessions for different time zones (and maybe with representatives of the areas covered). But let's see what the others think about it. I like Roger's ideas about gaining publicity through the media.--Ipigott (talk) 16:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh thats what I mean by "24 hour" Ian. I'm just trying to package that idea up. Your suggestion allows anyone to join in despite being in any of the "24" time zones. Victuallers (talk) 07:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Moving forward. I think we have antipodians and I'm about to get a thumbs up (I hope) on the Pankhurst centre. Anyone know of people in US for one time zone and another in central Europe(ish) Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good and it looks to me as if you've taken on the role of central coordinator. For Europe, maybe, if he's interested.--Ipigott (talk) 09:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Very late to this, but I'd be happy to help out on the day/s. I'm not sure I would have time to support with planning, although it sounds like we just need someone with an account like zoom, and an eventbrite

account to run sign ups. I think the 24 hour idea is very good - 24 hours of continuously editing about women in honour of Ada Lovelace would be great fun! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! We are booking the Pankhurst Centre in Manchester. Carol Ann Whitehead is arranging that. I have been DM'ing Lisa Maule in New Zealand and she tells me that they are up for it. Carol was run these before and Lisa constructed a recent editathon on NZ dance/theatre which just about removed the colour red from out hand-crafted theatre based red list. I have asked WMUK if they can cover travel/refreshment costs. So we now have antipodean bases!! Would someone volunteer to create an editathon page? I am hoping that if we build it then they (other editathons) will join us. I'm starting some bullets below for Ada Lovelace Day.

Looks like this may happen!! Victuallers (talk) 10:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * New Zealand (contact Lisa Maule) (Twitter is good)
 * UK (Manchester) contact Carol Ann Whitehead WikiZebraCarol (best via Twitter)
 * Eventbrite???? Lajmmoore????
 * Editathon page ????
 * , I am very happy to pitch in on the editathon page setup, tho I will need some guidance from those more involved with the details. Maybe I should start by setting up the WiR annual October STEM editathon and then it’ll be easier to pick some elements from that to use? Innisfree987 (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I would suggest that we note the time difference for UK and NZ in the hope that others will add their new place and time difference. As you suggest I think we need to draft something and it will develop to be something more certain during this month. Victuallers (talk) 22:21, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it now certainly looks as if this is going to happen. Thanks for all your efforts to date. I'm happy to see is now helping out too. Please let me know if I can be of any help.--Ipigott (talk) 11:18, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you and —for now my one question is whether to make the 24-hour event page as a subpage or the month-long WiR STEM editathon (just a draft so far!), or a subpage at WP:Meetup, or other? I will work on it in my sandbox in the meantime. Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would make it a separate meet-up page which sooner or later should be coordinated with the pages being created in the UK, NZ, etc. Links can later be made with pertinent items in our developments for October. Is this OK with you, ?--Ipigott (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I bow to your expertise in this area. I want to make sure that NZ have equal billing and others can see where they can slot themselves in. Are there are people reading this who are not in UK or NZ time zones? as we could do with your contact list to find organisers at other locations. Victuallers (talk) 11:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that’s what I’ll do—and I didn’t realize the “local” events had their own pages going, so that’s helpful. Just let me know when those are available to incorporate! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think any have been developed yet. I just assumed that if we are addressing different time zones, it would be logical to have separate meetup pages. Just let's see how it goes. There's still plenty of time.--Ipigott (talk) 19:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, a couple of things:
 * I wonder whether the theme could be STEM, but also also include any other women too? It might be easier to get broader involvement from other projects, if the A for Arts is included? (That is A Thing - https://theconversation.com/steam-not-stem-why-scientists-need-arts-training-89788 )
 * Would just one events page create more unity? Lajmmoore (talk) 07:22, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes,, I was rather hoping that Victuallers and his UK friends could put together the main event page and that there could be links in and out of the other pages. But let's wait until we hear from him.--Ipigott (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Here’s the draft I started: user:Innisfree987/sandbox/Ada_Lovelace_Day, but I don’t doubt it could be improved upon! Innisfree987 (talk) 12:16, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for making a start on this. I think we need to emphasize that it's primarily a recruitment event. I also tend to share the suggestion that even though we are using Ada Lovelace Day as a trigger, we should open it up to all areas of interest. We also need to feature short, inspiring presentations along the lines of those presented in the WiR panel at Wikimania. If you agree, I'll have a go at adapting it along those lines.--Ipigott (talk) 12:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , by all means, make whatever changes you see fit! It was just to have something to work with and I will be glad for those more closely involved to revise to fit their needs, including on the STEM v STEAM question. Innisfree987 (talk) 13:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , to your point, I was rather inspired by the meetup page of Wiki Loves Women, which has a nice clean, modern look and additionally has tabs that might be a good way to compile different events in a central location. Do we have anyone handy with Wikipedia UX design who could assist with that? I made a start of trying to spiff up some of the elements of our usual editathons, but I’m afraid it’s seeming I am not very spiffy!, I don’t know if this is at all terrain that interests you? Or anyone else with design talents and/or Wikipedia UX expertise? (I know there are user pages which attest to this talent being out there!) Innisfree987 (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't know anything about making those cool tabs or Wikipedia UX :( WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , ah ok, thanks for letting me know. Was just hoping we could make use of your great eye! But I totally understand, since I can’t figure out how to tidy it up to my liking either! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:20, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: (a small) victory is mine! I managed to make a tabbed header tho can’t add it until there are links to use with it. Pasting to the draft’s talk page for eventual use (or not, if not the chosen solution). Other aesthetic and UX improvements continue to be sought! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'll have a look at the page. Thanks to, , et al. Not sure about STEAM, obviously good stuff but I notice the Ada Lovelace Day as a STEM event does not have its own page yet. (Maybe if we can make the media then we can start one to include this late start.) Although WIR has always broadly interpreted its entry requirements for a specific editathon so I wouldn't want to reject artists, especially if we failed attract WIR art enthusiasts. Maybe art in botany or art in maths?? I'm talking to Manchester this evening. Carol doesn't edit much but she is a great organiser. I will also point the NZ team at our page. Pleased that Ipigott reckons we have plenty of time. I'm still optimistic that we will get a offer to collaborate with a US based event and one? in Asia to complete our clock. Any offers of a logo? Cheers Victuallers (talk) 09:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Date? We have been working on October 12th as second Tuesday. Is there a move to be on the preceding Saturday? Victuallers (talk) 16:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume you are suggesting 12 October for the online event for reviewing results, etc. I had suggested Saturday the 16th simply because I thought people would not be tied up with their professional work but the 12th is fine by me too.--Ipigott (talk) 08:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I love the idea of illustrators in botany and mathematics. Also CGI artists count I think! And of course SFF writers and illustrators. We could include some verbiage specifically highlighting these professions for inclusivity. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Kia ora koutou - NZ here catching up with the convo in this space (Lisa) - there are lots of scientific artists and artistic scientists and I think it is good for there to be a range of types of articles suggested for recruitment to new people. Interesting also to hear 'where' the project might be and ideas how to coordinate across timezones too. Pakoire (talk) 03:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: Its gathering wings! Meeting 3 hours ago on zoom to discuss. Its going to start at midnight (UK time) on the 12th in New Zealand. Australia will take over then, UK in the afternoon at Emmeline's house in Manchester. Documents are being prepared including sign up docs and press release. Meeting in exactly one weeks time on zoom.... want to help? Zoom invite by contacting me, or Lisa, Siobhan, Callan etc. Keen to find links in US, Asia and Africa in particular. Help "the first 24 hour wiki editathon" for Ada Lovelace Day in just over a month's time? Victuallers (talk) 09:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure if right thread to add to, but hallo and UK organisers, I'm UK based and would be very happy to help during the session, confident introducing newcomers to editing, helping manage the zoom, etc. Have run workshops on zoom and in person before - with  (thanks Lajmmoore for telling me about this event!) Medievalfran (talk) 11:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Emerging arrangements for 8 (12th) October

 * Hi Fran, (and anyone just lurking here) welcome! The event will start in NZ at midnight and anyone can join in at that point. During UK unsocial hours it will move across Australian time zones etc. In the UK we can join virtually but those in travelling distance of Manchester can gather at Emmeline Pankhurst's house in central Manchester. We will be supporting "real"? people there and a virtual audience of what we hope are new Women in Red recruits. We will need trainers, hand-holders and hand-clappers, twitter etc support. This will be for anyone in "our" timezone so links to Western Europe and Africa are on our menu. All of this is done by volunteers. We are happy for you to join in - do feel free to assist as much as you can. Invitations, sign up sheets and a press release are being prepared and they all need friendly eyes to make them great. (One person has offered support for UK editors who prefer Welsh.) Victuallers (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This sounds like real progress. Thanks for all the effort you are putting into this.--Ipigott (talk) 08:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * fabulous, thank you for all the info! I can definitely be around virtually on the day. Can help with training/ hand holding/ cheering, etc! Will keep eyes peeled for more info :D Medievalfran (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , via the Women in Red instagram other user groups in Africa, Asia, etc. have been messaged about involvement and they've been asked to wave hello here! Lajmmoore (talk) 07:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just emailed one of the organisers of 2019's BlackLivesMatter editathon. I believe she was also involved with an Ada Lovelace Day editathon last year. Perhaps she and her colleagues may form the missing USA link. --Oronsay (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Lajmmoore, Oronsay (and others) for reaching out. A US based contribution (of any size) is really important to complete the framework. The NZ, AU and UK plans are well progressed and a press release announces the launch in New Zealand at their midday (my midnight). I'm optimistic that we will find contributors and on both the east and west coasts. Obviously other countries are of interest even if they have similar timezones to our existing locations. Victuallers (talk) 08:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm really pleased to see things are going so well. May I suggest you write a summary of progress to date and the need for additional support and include it as a new item at the bottom of this page. Only those of us who look at the history of new additions can spot work on this section.--Ipigott (talk) 09:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

#WikiAda24
This carries on the conversation above as per Ian's suggestion. On October 12th we will be celebrating Ada Lovelace and Women in STEM. Women in Red has seen this as an opportunity to raise our profile and do some recruitment. At Midday in New Zealand the day will start with the launch of an editathon. As #WikiAda24 continues the baton will be picked up by Australia. We have made a lot of progress. The NZ WIR editors are organised and ready with a press release, zoom links, eventbrite announcements, trainers (and handholders) ready to support the day. WMAU are committed. In the UK we have Emmeline Pankhurst's house booked and the eventbrites etc created. Trainers are booked and we understand that there may be one in Scotland too. At the moment we are reaching out to find editors in the Americas who could carry the editathon forward. New Zealand are prepared to finish the day

Have a look [here] - the detail is increasing. If you are in UK, NZ or AU then we can sign you up ... if you are not then we really want to speak to you. This is a great opportunity to show off our collaboration. Can you see how you might help? Be Bold. Victuallers (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * & the previous discussion is here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red Lajmmoore (talk) 07:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Task for ADA24 bonanza
If anyone is wishing for a on-wiki way to help with the ADA24 bonanza, a task that might benefit from any amount of time you have to give it is clean up on the crowd-sourced red-link lists we’re using (see link), some of which contain many now-blue links. I have been working on tidying this up for the newcomers we hope to attract, but have only finished a few of the lists so far. Also, if there are additional STEM lists that should be included, please do add! Thanks so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks as if they have now all been cleaned up.--Ipigott (talk) 18:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you and ! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I need to be more careful with this in future. Some of the blue links I deleted were redirects. Fortunately some of them have been restored.--Ipigott (talk) 08:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , in case it's helpful, I have this enabled this, User:Anomie/linkclassifier, so redirects show are green links, AfD articles are pink links, external links are teal, etc. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That’s terrific, thanks for such a good tip ! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Ada Lovelace Day event announced in New Zealand
"Global 24-hour Wikipedia "Edit-a-thon" Kicks Off In New Zealand" - just announced by Scoop, New Zealand.--Ipigott (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Update on AdaWiki24.org - Oct 12th - WIR 24 hour editathon
I think we have our final list! We have recruited leads for Pakistan and Kenya and plans for NZ, AU and UK are well advanced with good support from each chapter. We have volunteer editors ready to join us to help the newbies we attract but we could always do with more. We also have places where experienced editors can collegially edit together at different virtual locations. The dashboard for the event should record every new article, picture and editor. Do feel free to come along and help a newbie to steer their way through the wiki maze.... and maybe help them in a weeks time and encourage them to join us here more regularly. Find an error = fix it. Victuallers (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's looking good, . Thank you for all the work you've done on #WikiAda24. I'm really looking forward to participating in this global collaboration.--Oronsay (talk) 16:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Oronsay. I realised we were making good progress when I glanced at the Wiki article for the place where our editathon is taking place in Kenya which is Mukuru kwa Njenga a "slum" for 100,000 people. Luckily our new host there has good working conditions as a librarian, but the power still disappears regularly. We are definitely recruiting new members and the support of existing members makes this possible. Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Promoting AdaWiki24.org at WCNA
I'll be promoting AdaWiki24 and seeking participation from North American Wikipedians during Sunday's Lightning Talk session at WikiConference North America. If you're registered to attend WCNA, see you there; or you can watch live/later via this YouTube link. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much Lajmmoore (talk) 08:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Time table
In case people are wondering how Tuesday is time-tabled, made this amazing schedule, showing our various locations! Yesterday evening, and I showed some of our new Kenyan friends how to make their first edits. If it suits the time zone that you're in, there's an "open" session from 8-10pm UK time, which it would be lovely to see some friendly faces at! There's a sign up here. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (cc: ) - I registered using that link. Will it allow me to participate via Zoom in the Australia/New Zealand event, which starts in just a few hours or is there a different Eventbrite/Zoom link for that one? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And since then Ghana have joined us so that is both east and west Africa, there is an editathon in Scotland at 12 run by Ewan McAndrew which lasts for five hours and a late night UK session will be from 8 to 10 run by Paul and Roberta. There is an eventbrite link being added to the AdaWiki24.org pages now as some of the events are at capacity. Well done all. Do hope everyone whois not going to attend virtually has clicked here to record their silent contributions. Victuallers (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - I just saw this, so sorry - so if you go to the NZ/Aus tab of the WIR-211 page then the sign-up should be there?   can you help? Lajmmoore (talk) 22:02, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - i think it's this: https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/ada-lovelace-day-24-hour-global-edit-a-thon-new-zealand-tickets-184422270977 - there's a table on the NZ event page, where links are in R hand column! Lajmmoore (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 22:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks that looks right! DrThneed (talk) 22:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of our ADA marathon today
Big Tech's Big Tobacco moment. Despite the title, today's Axios podcast introduced by Niala Boodhoo includes comments by on today's 24-hour ADA marathon.--Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the link to the special event: Ada Lovelace Day:24-Hour Global Edit-a-thon 12 October 2021
 * Women in Red (WiR) is celebrating Ada Lovelace Day—12 October—with a round-the-clock online edit-a-thon. Online events in Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Kenya and UK timezones, focused on the biographies of women in STEM, will offer inspiring presentations and extensive support, especially for new contributors creating their first articles about women. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

New editors from Pakistan
Hello all, our new friends in Pakistan and their team, worked extremely hard on some new stub pages this evening. If people could support some polishing, that would be very much appreciated:
 * Bina Shaheen Siddiqui
 * Sara Gill
 * Nadia Patel Gangjee
 * Fajer Rabia Pasha
 * Farhat Bashir - this one got totally messed up - a new editor was in the middle of improving it, but I hadn't realised it was already in the mainspace, then it got nominated for deletion and they lost all their edits (twice). I've edited it to what they had it looking like (unsaved), but it is now at AfD. I did draftify it, as I thought moving it to draft space would be helpful. Thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for all the support. We had so much fun and a wonderful learning experience Femonics (talk) 18:57, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Weekly episode for Ada Lovelace Day at 1700 UTC
Join us for live editing Wikipedia Weekly videocast at 1pm EDT/5 pm UTC. Working with @Rosiestep @restlesscurator @SiobhanLeachman @WikiWomenInRed @Fuzheado on the Timeline of women in computing and more. Hope you can join us, and feel free to ask questions/interact. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 16:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Youtube link
 * Etherpad for coordination
 * That group is requesting updates to Timeline of women in computing to bring it up-to-date. (2019, 2020) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If they have any items they want to add to 2019, 2020 or 2021, I would be happy to assist them. (cc ).--Ipigott (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Olympic & Paralympic Games Editathon July to September 2021
From July to September 2021, Women in Red held a virtual editathon focusing on Women at the Olympic and Paralympic Games. A special shout-out to and  for their contribution of preparatory and behind-the-scenes work on this. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * An incredible total of 824 articles were created!


 * Thank you! My pleasure to help out. As a side note, there's a discusssion listed at WP:CENT to propose changing the notability of Olympians to medalists only. I've raised issues about WP:BIAS, and if anyone hasn't had a chance to comment (either supporting or opposing the change), please do so. Thanks again.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry for the late reply! Thanks for the message. It was a pleasure! Hopefully there will be one agiain in February/March for the Winter Olympics/Paralympics!? SportsOlympic (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Australians and New Zealanders active on women in religion
WATAC explores feminist activism in action, an article from CatholicOutlook, presents plans for covering more women on Wikipedia under the Australian Women in Religion Project with a Zoom session on 13 October. See also Kerrie Burn's video.--Ipigott (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Anne Saxelby
Anne Saxelby, a noted figure in the American artisanal cheese movement, had her obit published in The NY Times today: Any help with her article would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 04:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I started a tiny stub on her. Plenty of sources and would be a nice easy article to write. Someone may want to have a look! Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:58, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I considered making it and was concerned about the lack of sourcing outside NY city/state. Is there sourcing available from other areas or does it matter? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that anyone who gets a proper obituary in the NYT is going to be notable. The rest of the sourcing is pretty strong. There's also a WSJ article we could add that's mostly about her. I'd definitely vote to keep even if the sourcing is NY-centric. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not a big cheese, but big in cheese. Ripe for expansion. Edwardx (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Despite multiple attempts to do so, WP:AUD has never been expanded to apply to people-- this means that within reason relatively local papers can contribute to GNG, and the NYT local obituaries definitely fall in that category. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Myriam Sarachik
This article about a recently deceased physicist with a remarkable life story—her Jewish family fled Belgium during WWII and she eventually ended up in New York—could use some attention. Especially from people with physics knowledge (not me). AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Relatedly, have people used She Thought It before for bios of women in science? (Bio of Sarachik is here). Apparently a publication of the University of Porto - see https://ilcml.com/. Cites sources, is bylined and dated, so I'd say it's reliable, but I've never heard of it before. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red contest templates
Hello, is there a policy of this project to use the unused templates starting from 12108 to 12125 from the Unused Templates report? Asking to avoid any potential major disruption as part of my task force idea to deal with the backlog of unused templates as part of WikiProject Templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I can address one of them, 12125, Women in Red Women Writers header: okay to delete. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I created 12108 through 12124. They are badges for the winners of our WiR Continental challenge. Most of the assigned badges are on the pages as the underlying code rather than as "templates". They seem to be appearing where the winners want to display them so I don't see any disruption caused by the templates deletion. Thank you for checking with us. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Evangeline St Claire
Perhaps impressively, we have articles on almost every woman mentioned in this Guardian article on overlooked women artists. The only one mentioned that we do not have an article for is Evangeline St Claire. If anyone can find good sourcing, ping me and I will make a stub. I looked around and could not find much. --- Possibly &#9742; 15:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I found this tiny, uninformative reference entry referring to "Marlor, Soc Indp Artists" - presumably some edition of ? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * How about this: https://atelier17.christinaweyl.com/artist-biographies/evangeline-st-claire/ ? I'm not sure it adds up to notability. But if she was part of Atelier 17, as the Guardian piece says and that bio shows, why isn't she listed in the article? There are a lot of black-print (ie not even an optimistic red link!) women artists listed at Atelier 17: it may be that the website could help show that some are notable? Pam  D  15:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC) ( forgot to ping you!  Pam  D  15:07, 14 October 2021 (UTC))
 * The Marlor ref seems to be, which I've now added as "Further reading" to Society of Independent Artists: sounds useful for anyone researching in that kind of area. One of the several entries in Abe Books says "Gives the history of the Society, decade by decade, many appendices (officers, exhibitors, purchasers, by-laws, members, etc.), catalogs of exhibitons, and index of text. Almost 500 pages consist of the alphabetical listing of artists and their entries. "  Pam  D  15:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That website is by art historian Christina Weyl, who also wrote this book about Atelier17: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300238501/women-atelier-17 So I'd imagine it would count as an RS, and if not, well we can always get ahold of the book and cite that.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 15:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi  and , In my opinion Weyl's online resource for the women of Atelier 17 is reliable. I've have been working on the Atelier 17 article since 2020. The source I used for the list of members was the catalogue for the 50th anniversary retrospective exhibition in 1977. There was never an "official" list, and this was the  most reliable source I could find. An artist could be tangentially related to the atelier (use their equipment) and be considered a member.  I have added a citation for Evangeline St Claire in that list, as she was not included in the 50th anniversary catalog. The reason I did not make optimistic redlinks for the members of the atelier is that I researched them (men and women) and I could not find enough reliable sources to create articles. Good luck with Evangeline! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Anyone wants to merge an article?
For all I know this might have been created as part of WiR outreach anyway... Talk:Lesley Akyaa Opoku Ware Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Done.--Ipigott (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment, Anne Wyllie
There is a request for comment on Anne Wyllie's talk page where discussion is centred around whether a list of selected publications is appropriate on a scientist's page. Would welcome other views. DrThneed (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Chanel Contos
Saturday's New York Times carries a profile on Chanel Contos, an Australian student and sexual consent activist. She's become globally known in the past eight months, with a huge amount of coverage. I probably won't add much more to the above stub, so I encourage anyone here to dive in! Thanks. --- Possibly &#9742; 07:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions for a separate notability guidelines for referees
Hi. I noticed that since that Wikipedia has a notability guideline policy for sports athletes, players and sometimes coaches to see whether or not they have passed that notability guidelines. However, I also noticed that sports referees, particularly association football (soccer) referees, most of them are prone to not meet notability guidelines. Here are my options:

1. The first primary option is to make a separate notability guideline for referees, umpires, match officials, etc, either within the sports notability guideline or a guideline for general match officials in professional general sports, along with football (soccer) referees.

2. The secondary option: is to make the similar guideline to the first option I have stated, but at least have notability guidelines for a how to meet the notability criteria with mostly a topic referring to football (soccer) referees, and/or with other match officials in other major sports.

3. The third option might be tricky to specifically describe but in a nutshell for describing the case: to include a notability guideline for referees for most particularly football (soccer) referees which includes the following categories:

A. Any referee, men and/or women who had officiated it summoned in a major international "senior" tournament such as the FIFA World Cup, the Olympics, the UEFA Euros, the AFC Asian Cup, the Copa America, the CONCACAF Gold Cup, the Africa Cup of Nations, and the OFC Nations Cup, along the UEFA and CONCACAF Nations League,  plus the qualifiers, particularly with World Cup qualifiers, Euro qualifying, as they are supposedly deemed to have significant coverage, can be deemed to meet the criteria.

B: Concerning about notability guidelines for players and coaches within a fully professional club league, referees who have been summoned and officiated in a fully professional league such as the Premier League, LaLiga, Seria A, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Major League Soccer, the Argentine Primera División, etc, or have officiated in their respective club tournament within a league, or a confederation based club tournament, such as the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Europa League, the Copa Libertadores, the Copa Sudamericana, and/or is listed in the FIFA International Referees list can be deemed to meet the criteria. Referees who officiated in a non-professional league are not deemed to be notable, unless they could have significant coverage as they have either been summoned or had officiated in a professional league, a major professional league tournament, or a confederation-based club tournament, or the “senior” international match, and is a listed international referee. Minor club and confederated-based tournament referees including friendlies, even in a senior international friendly match, unless they have meet the significant coverage or some other forms of general notability guidelines.

Continuing with the third option could add a few examples about female referees, which may not meet the criteria due many women’s league mot being fully professional. (It’s not gender-biased this way.) Having said that, if women referees didn’t have enough strength to meet the criteria, they may not be notable, unless they have summoned and officiated the major tournament, such as the FIFA Women’s World Cup, and the Olympics,. The only difference from men’s scenario is that the female referees who have officiated in a league, tournament, club tournament, or a confederated-based club and/or international tournament, may not be deemed to meet the criteria, unless a referee has been summoned and officiated in a FIFA tournament, or the Olympics, and is a listed international referee.

There are some cases that female referees (e.g Kateryna Monzul, and Stéphanie Frappart whom they had officiated in top senior men’s tournament, club and/or international) can meet the criteria. They can meet the criteria if they have officiated an international women’s tournament, summoned and officiated a professional men’s league with their respective football association, has significant coverage, and/or is a listed international referee.

As to referees in other major sports, I don’t know if they could have significant coverage to every sport, and I am aware that this suggestion of the new separate guideline could be controversial, but let’s just say it for the sake of the argument.

Any match official, or umpire who have have officiated in the finals of their respective international tournament, such as in tennis, the Grand Slam tournament, US Open, an IIHF World Cup finals, the IFBA World Cup finals included, and sports in any Olympic final can be deemed notable if they have officiated, has most of the significant coverage, and other methods that passed general notability guidelines.

Assistant referees in any sports are not deemed notable.

I know that I was suggesting a lot in this regard, but these are the conditions.

We can discuss further whether to add the new guideline in a separate article, within the article with athletes, or have any other discussion on how to implement that in many other ways. I am open to any discussion within this topic.

With that being said, please to hesitate to discuss either here, or leave a reply to my talk page.

Thank you, and have a nice day. Ivan Milenin (talk) 08:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the wind is set against sports SNGs (special notability guidelines) in general, and I doubt any version of this will obtain general buy-in. Most referees only get sufficient coverage to meet the GNG when they make highly controversial decisions, or are notable for something else, so I think the SNG idea of presuming notability is inappropriate, except for extreme cases like the ref for the FIFA World Cup final. I don't see why we can't just use the normal GNG criteria. The numbers we already have in Category:Association football referees by nationality seem absurdly high to me - 187 English and 68 Scottish ones leap out.  Johnbod (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Marguerite Dunlap
Hi all. I've just posted Marguerite Dunlap - I've been working with a relative of her off-wiki to find sufficient references to demonstrate notability, and I think it's finally ready for mainspace. Any input/edits that anyone here can make to the article would be appreciated (via the thanks button)! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Smithsonian event on women in aviation
Women Innovators in Aviation and Space is an on-line editathon to be presented by the Smithsonian on 28 October from 1 pm Eastern. It is apparently being held in connection with the WikiEdu project GLAM/Smithsonian Institution/American Women's History Initiative (AWHI). I see that is preparing further details on Wikipedia:WikiProject Smithsonian AWHI/Meetup/Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon: Women Innovators in Aviation and Spaceflight. Anyone can follow the event on YouTube.--Ipigott (talk) 11:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

A-Z of cricket
Hi. Latest female cricket bios include players from Argentina and Zimbabwe. Anesthesiologist and captain of the Argentine team Veronica Vasquez plays tomorrow in the Americas qualifier tournament in Mexico, after she made her international debut two years ago. Earlier in the month, the Irish cricket team toured Zimbabwe, prompting a raft of new Zimbabwean bios, including Chiedza Dhururu and Loryn Phiri. Zimbabwe's captain Mary-Anne Musonda made her one-day debut on the tour, scoring a century in her first match. Not to be out-done, Ireland's Amy Hunter also scored a century in the last match of the series, becoming the youngest cricketer (male or female) to score an international hundred in a one-day fixture. Enjoy.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Rebecca Frankel
I recently created a draft for American author Rebecca Frankel. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you, Thriley (talk) 23:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Milena Smit photo
I’ve tried to find an available photo of Milena Smit but I can’t seem to find one. Is there one out there? Thriley (talk) 21:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * How about this?--Ipigott (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No, that's the Slovenian ambassador to Brazil, also a Milena Smit. The one we want is an actress born October 5, 1996! She looks like this.  Johnbod (talk) 14:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've heard it's possible to use stills clipped from YouTube although I'm not too sure about the copyright conditions. Someone might be able to advise whether any of these could be used.--Ipigott (talk) 11:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In general the thing to do is search YouTube using the Creative Commons license filter. However one still needs to be cautious as sometimes content is posted there with a CC license, but the uploader did not actually possess the rights to license the material freely. I worry that’s what happened in this clip, the only one I could find that included Smit. The broadcaster certainly has the right to license their own work, but they did not appear to do their own red carpet interviews (the microphone I could see said Lincoln Center), and I doubt very much that it was CC-licensed (or we’d see lots of clips using it.) In short, I came up empty-handed. Sorry about that! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all! I may try the screenshot method if nothing comes up soon. Thriley (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Relisting at AfD - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Farhat Bashir
Hello all. Articles for deletion/Farhat Bashir has been relisted for discussion and further comments would be appreciated. This is an article created as part of #AdaWiki24. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Metrics not updating
Our Metrics for October have not been updating since 12 October, now stuck at just 604 new articles. Does anyone know how to fix the problem or who we should alert?--Ipigott (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ipigott It is probably a bot problem, see Bots/Noticeboard for a technical explanation. I don't know who can fix it, unfortunately. TSventon (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. It's a problem with User:Reports bot which has not been maintaining since 2016. Don't know if anyone is interested in investigating the problem, otherwise we'll probably have to give up on monthly metrics and rely instead on Humaniki. This might be a sensible solution as the statistical results should be more or less identical. The only problem is that we will no longer have a record of the titles of the biographies created day-by-day.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I wonder if, who operate User:BernsteinBot, which as far as I know handles reports listed at Database reports, might be able to help. The issue for WiR is as above; User:Reports bot produces / has stopped producing pages listing women biographies created in each month, based on wikidata items & article creation dates; updating on a daily basis, in the form listed in the right-side column of WikiProject Women in Red/Metrics, such as Aug 2021 Sep 2021 Oct 2021, and drawing a graph as shown on WikiProject Women in Red/Metrics. WiR could do with the bot task being adopted by new owners; no clue on source code for the current bot, so... --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Tagishsimon: I would recommend you make a request at WP:Bot requests, I don't really have the capacity to take on new bot tasks right now. Legoktm (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * How about who has been so helpful with many of our problems. Any chance of a quick fix?--Ipigott (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've also dropped a note on the talk page of The Earwig, who has helped in the past. iirc the two causes of dead metrics have been failure to send a valid user-agent string, something which absent a regression error was fixed long ago; and (I vaguely think) borked WD items. It's regrettable we don't know anything about our own metrics software - not sure I can point either at the source or the toolforge process :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Earwig ftw. Metrics are back. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Good news! Thanks for your assistance .--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Major Montreal editathon on 23 October
This item in French and English on Cision announces a major event at Montreal's Palais des congrès on 23 October in connection with Canada's Women's History Month. Special attention will be given to Elise L'Heureux and Sally Elizabeth Wood. Details have been announced in French, stating that the event will run from 10 am to 5 pm Eastern in Room 720. The morning will cover Wikipedia training, the afternoon lectures. A free lunchbox will be offered to the first 20 to register.--Ipigott (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not WiR-specific, but poking around re these two photographers, I noted what seems like a rather gaping hole in our cultural coverage: photography in Canada. I may take a stab at it in the next while, but thought I'd flag in case anyone had the inclination. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be great if you could create a general article on Photography in Canada. A few years back, I wrote about Photography in Denmark and Photography in Luxembourg but there are still very few countries with such articles. I see however there's an article on Photography in the United States which may be helpful. Thanks btw for looking at Elise L'Heureux. Maybe today's meeting will reveal additional details. Let me know if I can be of any assistance in your coverage of Canada.--Ipigott (talk) 10:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Now we have expanded versions of fr:Elise L'Heureux and fr:Sally Elizabeth Wood. Looks like the editathoners found some good new French sources for the former, and there's apparently an exhibit catalogue for the ongoing exhibit at the Brome Museum on Wood & Wheeler. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 03:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I had already done more work on the EN versions of both of these and have today incorporated some of the useful additions from . Perhaps she can tell us how to gain access to the resources which were to be made available during the editathon or pinpoint any other important photographes québécoises who should be covered on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 09:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * After quite a bit of looking around, I think I have found the resource page for this event. It's here. As it has been updated by who has also been active on the EN wiki, it might be useful to ask if there are any other women from Quebec who have been notable in photography. I see, for example, that our article on Geraldine Moodie has now been translated into French and that improvements have been made on the French version of Elsie Holloway. There is also a French article on the Montreal writer and photographer Louise Abbott. As we are interested in writing a general article on Photography in Canada, perhaps Natarchives could give us some guidance. It would also be interesting to hear how many attended the event on 23 October and whether any showed signs of wanting to contribute further to Wikipedia, either in French or English. (cc )--Ipigott (talk) 16:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Photography in Canada now exists; I'll compile some refs in the next while and get some prose started pending offwiki commitments. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Women from Oceania - to add to Wikidata?
Hello all, I came across this 1987 booklet of important women in Oceania. It includes short biographies of women from - American Samoa, Palau, Micronesia, Guam, Hawai'i', Marshall Islands and the Northern Mariana Islands. (Those in bold still need adding to Wikidata.) I'm not sure all are notable, but several definitely are. The pdf of the booklet includes images (some clearer than others) and since most of those featured are dead, the images might be game for Fair Use! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Lajmmoore (talk). Well found. I just uploaded the first on the list Mere Tuiasosopo Betham. Certainly well worth including. You might like to post the same message to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/210. Roundtheworld (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Glimpses into Pacific Lives: Some Outstanding Women --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * & Amazing! Thanks both! *facepalm* that I always forget about just making crowd-sourced lists! & so many of the women are BLUE! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Having now looked through the original source it may be difficult to establish notability for many of them, or even find another citation. Still, I'll give it a go. Roundtheworld (talk) 20:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Reminder that the Women in Oceania contest continues through the end of the year. There are an impressive number of articles created for array of countries so far! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Sally Hemings categories
Hi all! I wanted some help - I was working on an article for a controversial novel from a few years back about the Hemings/Jefferson controversy. I noticed that there was no category for Hemings herself, despite being mentioned in and the focus of several articles. I've fixed this with the category Category:Sally Hemings, but this still needs some work. Can anyone help ensure that everything looks OK and also help create any new subcategories as needed? At the moment I'm just sort of creating new ones as I go along. It would also be awesome if people could add this to articles (when appropriate, of course!) - I don't get as much time on Wikipedia currently, as my home computer no longer works, so I'm kind of limited on what I can do. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  11:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm looking for a collaborator
I am attempting to revive an abandoned draft about Alison Kafer. She is an American academic who has written an influential book Feminist, Queer, Crip about the intersectionality of Feminist, Queer, and Disability Studies. She has also authored many other works on related topics. I'm looking for someone reasonably familiar with feminist and/or queer scholarship, as I'm quite comfortable dealing with disability topics but I'm out of my depth with the other two subject areas. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You might want to drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies as well? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dodger67, I popped my head in. It would be better if I had time to read the book (alas), but the amount of scholarly attention given to it sure seems sizeable, and she has a couple of edited collections as well (the book being a bigger deal than the journal issue but I noted both for good measure.) I’ve left a good number of citations if anyone wishes to follow the threads. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding those sources, they seem eminently usable and I think they provide the necessary evidence of notability. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Evelyn Straus
While working on women's nationality, I ran into Judith Todd and found a photo of her, but unfortunately while it is in the PD in New Zealand isn't in the US. While trying to find another image to use, I ran into a pioneering photojournalist Evelyn Straus/Evelyn P. Straus. She looks plenty notable to me, i.e. ,,, and this which says she was 26 in 1942, i.e. born 1916 +/- and was from Nassau, NY. Family search shows 23 in 1940, which led me to born 22 June 1916/died 10 March 1992, which in turn led me to her obit. Anyone interested in making a start on her? (I'm trying to finish Malawi by the end of the month and don't think I have the time to do Straus.) I've asked to look over the photographs I found to see if we can use any of them for Todd or Straus. Thanks. SusunW (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Afd
Hi Folks!! This lady won a national award Articles for deletion/Lethia Sherman Hankins. If anybody has any time, can these please take a look at it.  scope_creep Talk  13:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am hoping you have time to look into the Black Archives collection on ProQuest. I don't have access. I find nothing in Newspapers.com or Newspaperarchive.com, but that isn't unusual, given her era. SusunW (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @SusunW, regretfully I struck out there. Did find (and add) one interesting note from the main ProQuest database about her personal effects being acquired by the permanent collection of the Cape Fear Museum. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Another article about her award is indexed here if access to the periodical Southern Cities can be found. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey sorry for missing this,, but thanks for the ping ;) Thankfully, it looks like it all got sorted and the article was kept! - Whisperjanes (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Mary Small Einstein Wright, American designer, author and business person
Hello Women in Red! I just created an article on the American designer, author and business person Mary Wright (1904-1952). She was an equal business partner with her husband, the American mid-century modernist industrial designer, Russel Wright (who was better known than her). I'm thinking of nominating it for DYK, however I'm not the greatest writer, and would deeply appreciate it if someone has the time to read through it and correct my grammar and awkward sentence structure. Thank you in advance for your interest and help! Netherzone (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , the article easily meets DYK criteria. I would suggest is that you add alt= descriptions to the photographs for those with visual limitations. It isn't required, but helpful. Thanks for the interesting article. SusunW (talk) 15:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's a great idea, but I don't know what an alt=description is. A question for the group: Gerda suggested on my talk page that the article be named Mary Wright, since that is the name on the book cover; it is also how the sources refer to her. I chose to name the article with her full name because there are so many Mary Wrights on Wikipedia. Which is preferred by this group: Mary Wright (designer) or Mary Small Einstein Wright? Netherzone (talk) 15:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'll do the infobox, as an example, and then you can add it to the other photos. Would that work. MOS says use common name (so Mary Wright (designer)) and add to the disambig page. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you, I will follow your example for the photos. Would you happen to know if an administrator needs to change the article name, or is that something I can do myself? Netherzone (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , You should just be able to "move" it. Let me know if you run into problems. I'm not an admin but can do it, I think. (Who knew? Me doing something technical.) SusunW (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The move went seamlessly and preserved the history! Article now renamed Mary Wright (designer). I'm not sure why my alt= caption for visually impaired users is not displaying the text. I will keep fiddling with it to see if I can make it work - the code is there in the book cover file, but it's not showing up on my screen for some reason. I'm following the instructions found here: MOS:ALT but seem to be doing something incorrectly. Netherzone (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yay! I saw that you also added her to the disamb page too. I was told that alt text only displays when hovering over the image in the info box. For other images, it will appear if you have a "reader" program. I have to trust that is correct, as I don't know enough about coding to make a determination. Your descriptions look fine to me. (It isn't easy to describe an image, IMO, but that was what made me realize that it is probably useful to have a description if one cannot see it.) SusunW (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, and it's good to know about this feature. Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Many new editors
I'm seeing a lot of edits today on WIR-related biographies by different new editors, with similar patterns of adding links:, , , , , and. Does anyone know of any editathons or classes this might have come from, or is it maybe some strange form of sockpuppetry? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Pattern I see is edits to maths people articles. Editathon, today concentrating on the Cite templates. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See Enegrini here. Their edits certainly don't look to me like socks.--Ipigott (talk) 06:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And here's the invitation for the event. Detective work completed!--Ipigott (talk) 07:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tracking this down. Sockpuppet was much lower on my list of possibilities than edit-a-thon or class, which is why I was asking here rather than taking precipitate and WP:BITEy action. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The main facilitator seems to be .--Ipigott (talk) 07:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The edits look pretty good, but people are always alert to unusual patterns of editing. It's a pity that the event organiser didn't find any guidance to read to suggest (a) encourage the new editors to create a minimal user page ("Hallo, I'm a Maths graduate student keen to contribute to Wikipedia" ), and (b) some sort of links to the editathon details ("This page was edited / This editor started editing as part of an editathon at Worcester Polytechnic Institute celebrating 50 years of the Association for Women in Mathematics.") Is there a page of guidance somewhere, I wonder?  Pam  D  07:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, neither of those points seem to be included at How_to_run_an_edit-a-thon. Pam  D  07:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've made a suggestion at Wikipedia_talk:How_to_run_an_edit-a-thon. But, yes, etc, well done, nice edits, and I hope this group of students finds time in between their studies to continue their excellent contributions to Wikipedia and that they encounter kindness and welcomes from editors along their way.  Pam  D  08:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In this connection, the brochure on "Editing Wikipedia" has a short section on User pages and Talk pages on Page 14. One of the disadvantages of using the dashboard approach rather than standard Wikipedia pages for editathons is that much of the information is not widely accessible. In WikiEdu events like this one, the participants form a closed circle; they know each other and their instructors and are not generally encouraged to look any further into Wikipedia resources. Nevertheless, the standard of early edits testifies to the effectiveness of the presentations and assistance offered.--Ipigott (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Well; to be clear & in case there's any doubt: good job, / Elisa Negrini / whoever organised this. Thank you for putting together the event & for the constructive edits. Please don't take any of the above as criticism; just WiR chewing the cud. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I am the lead-moderator and one of the organizers of the Worcester Polytechnic Institute Wikipedia Editing Community events; we are a group of editors on campus (students, faculty, and staff) who are organizing monthly editing meet-ups each with a different theme. We will continue using a dashboard to track our work under the WPI Campaign. Our hope is to train a few new editors each month and build a community of editors on campus. Our October event was centered around celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Association for Women in Mathematics; our November event will be celebrating Native American Indian Heritage Month. Thank you for your useful suggestion regarding user pages! I will make sure to mention it to our new editors and will incorporate this step in my tutorial starting with our next event. Our community is small and many of our members are students getting started with editing, so we really appreciate the support of experienced editors. --AlwaysInRed (talk) 13:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, . So glad to meet you! I'm wondering if your community has a central page on Wikipedia which includes information about Worcester Polytechnic Institute Wikipedia Editing Community events (e.g. WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion)? Something else to consider is a talkpage banner for articles created/improved during your events, e.g. WIR-209. Just food for thought. Thanks for what you're doing and happy editing! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for responding so quickly, . You and your colleagues are doing a great job with the students at WIP. If any of them would like to continue editing, they can be sure of receiving support from Women in Red. I would personally be happy to mentor any who are interested in creating their own articles. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 20:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you - that is a very generous offer. And thank you  for the suggestions and example links, they are very useful. We do not have a central page on Wikipedia for our community at the moment, but this can definitely be something we work on if our group becomes a permanent thing like we hope. And I like the banner idea! It's something to look forward to adding when we create our first new page. --AlwaysInRed (talk) 23:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Rose Lee Maphis
American country singer Rose Lee Maphis has died. I created a brief stub for her. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you, Thriley (talk) 02:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Have upgraded the refs, created a Maphis surname page, and raised her profile within her husband's article. Pam  D  08:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And found another ref with a lot of biog details. Pam  D  08:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And incoming redirects from versions of her name. Pam  D  08:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

The photo used on this obit seems like it would be an excellent candidate for commons:Template:PD-US-no notice, but I can't track down an authoritative source. I tried searching the Country Music Hall of Fame archives to no avail. It's included in her NYT obit credited to Starday Records and described as an "undated publicity photo". Is there some central repository for publicity photos, maybe? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm still looking, for the first one in that article. The 2nd one was published 15 December 1956. There does not appear to be a mark on the photograph showing copyright. Nor does the masthead indicate it was copyrighted. Weirdly, I scrolled through the paper twice and cannot find the typical publishing notice. Checking the periodical registrations for 1956, I find no registrations for Long Beach Press Telegram or any configuration of it, just searching Long Beach, Long Beach Press, Long Beach Telegram. Also find no registration for Schaeffer, which the Music Row piece indicates was the photographic studio. On it, you should be fine with PD no notice.
 * I found a 1953 photo p. 30 in The Cash Box. It was copyrighted, see p 3, which shows a registration number on p 210 of B450364. Renewals would have to have been filed in 28 years so if you go to LOC and search for cash box, put it in date order, and look for a number that starts with RE (for renewal) in 1977-1984 I find nothing. (The search may have expired but you can rerun it yourself.) Also find nothing for B450364 as a document number or registration number, so I think you are okay to use it as well, PD not renewed. You will need to put in all of the documentation to confirm the research on the copyright, like in this example. I'll look tomorrow again for the other one, as it is late here. SusunW (talk) 05:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's incredibly impressive research! I've been trying to track down "Schaeffer Studio" or "Schaeffer Hollywood", which is credited with this one, to no avail. There's an A. L. Schafer (one F) who did quite striking publicity stills for Hollywood stars, but his style is way more interesting than the two-F Schaeffer. I see three, more, pics (possibly four) by "Schaeffer Hollywood", but none with Maphises. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 13:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried as well and couldn't figure out who it might have been, but it isn't copyrighted, so I think you are good. You do need to list Schaeffer of Hollywood as the photographer/creator. I looked at the Library of Congress and found nada on the Cliff Riddle image. Checked ebay and while I didn't find your first photo, I did find this which tells me she wore her hair in that style in 1966. (If you find a publicity photo on ebay, you need front and back, as the copyright information is supposed to be stamped on the back.) If you want to use that first photo, you will need to figure out if it was a publicity photo (there's other rules for advertising) or published. 2 ways to do that, search newspapers for the photo (1964-1968, literally you just have to keep scrolling until you find an exact match) or write to Music Row or Robert K Oermann who wrote the article and ask him about the copyright status. I find that Riddle took lots of photos in the late 1960s-1970s, but cannot find anything specific about him either. He may hold a copyright if he is living. SusunW (talk) 13:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Photo for Nancy Cappello
Hi, everyone. I just finished making articles on breast cancer survivor Nancy Cappello and on the condition of dense breasts. I was rather surprised the latter wasn't made by some science-minded Wikipedian in the past, as it is mentioned across many articles. Anyways, it exists now. One problem I'm having is finding a photo to use for Cappello's article. As she died recently (2018) and so there's plenty of photos that exist, but all copyrighted as far as I can tell. Anyone have any suggestions? Silver seren C 23:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Given the period of time in which she lived, and the fact that she wasn't a celebrity, your best bet is probably going to be a "fair use" photo, which must be used at the top of the article for identification purposes. Figure out which one you want, upload it it here as a non-free image and insert a rationale like this one . SusunW (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * there are certain requirements (like size of images, etc) when uploading fair use images otherwise it will be taken down, more info here: Non-free content. All best, Netherzone (talk) 14:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Adrian Dobs article - help would be appreciated
I'd appreciate help with Draft:Adrian_Sandra_Dobs - given the endocrinology initiative and seeing her red link - I started the with intent to hand off (I have COI) but thought it would help to just get it started. &mdash; soupvector (talk) 13:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I've moved the article back to mainspace as Adrian Sandra Dobs b/c notable, well-formed, neutral & enough refs. That's not to say the article does not deserve more work. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Edith Kermit Roosevelt (journalist, lived 1927–2003)
Anyone want to tackle this? Edith Kermit Roosevelt was apparently a prolific and fairly renowned journalist who published in major outlets. Granddaughter of Teddy; daughter of Archibald Roosevelt. Problem is, she has the same (full) name as her First Lady grandmother, so searching is more difficult (plus the name on-wiki redirects to her grandmother, although it shouldn't in my opinion). But an article on her would be really helpful, in my opinion. So far I've found this:,. Looks promising for anyone who has the time and interest. Thanks very much. Softlavender (talk) 01:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Started as a preliminary. Also known as Edith Kermit (Roosevelt) Barmine; was briefly married to Alexander Gregory Barmine. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk about someone impossible to google! Even VIAF appears to confuse the two.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 22:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Her daughter is Margot Roosevelt, and I've been poking around to see if Margot wrote anything about her mother, but unfortunately all I've been able to find is this terrible anecdote (warning: sexual harassment).  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 22:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've found best search tactic is "Edith Kermit Roosevelt, granddaughter" or "Edith Kermit Roosevelt, columnist" because otherwise you get things written by her, or things about her grandmother.,,,,,, there is also an image which does not appear to have a copyright mark and has proof of publishing on the back, but someone would need to have the skill to remove the watermark or find another version of it and research the logs to be sure. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 30 October 2021 (UTC)