Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 118

Reminder about alternative names / redirects
I decided to cheat on my August Wikibreak and look at possible articles to create for the September editathons: looking at the crowdsourced redlist at WikiProject Women in Red/Novelists I saw "Sophia King / Mrs Fortnum", thought "Yes, one to go for: an E-F writer, and sourced to ODNB" ... and then found that we already had her article at Sophia King (writer), with a incoming redirect from Sophia Fortnum. I've made the two redirects which were showing red in that redlist: Mrs Fortnum and Sophia King (author). And another from the US spelling Mrs. Fortnum (with full stop).

So this is just a reminder: before you start to create an article on a woman who ever changed her name or used a variant form of it, just check around carefully to make sure that you're not going to waste time working on a duplicate. And when you create an article, make redirects from any form of the name under which she published / performed / was mentioned in a source. I'm not sure whether there is any guidance as to when to use "writer" rather than "author", but I think it is the more common disambiguator.

Yes, this is me on my hobby-horse again! Now I need to look again for an article or two for the new month's editathons. Pam D  11:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

How to unsubscribe from mass messages?
Hello folks, asked me how they might be unsubscribed from the WIR mass messages, and although I can send the invites, I don't know much more than that, so I wondered if someone else could help them out? Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 07:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Should future WIR mass messages include something like "If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page."? (Copied from a WP:MILHIST mailing with a WIR link added). TSventon (talk) 09:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Our Invitations used to have a link for how to Opt-Out (unsubscribe). I'm not sure why we stopped including it, but I've added it to the September invitation. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Lajmmoore, I have advised Horsegeek.
 * Rosiestep, thank you. TSventon (talk) 13:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red in September 2022
--Lajmmoore (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Tamara Gustavson article updates
Hello. I have a personal connection to Tamara Gustavson, and have requested a few updates to the article about her on the Talk Page Talk:Tamara Gustavson. I’ve declared my conflict-of-interest and carefully reviewed the policy. Is an editor from this group available to review the requests for me? Thanks.Wiki64gus (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Creating items for books (works and editions) in Wikidata
Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:00am PT / 1:00pm ET / 17:00 UTC / 7:00pm CEST.

Late notice -sorry about that- but as this training supports WiR's current event, "Women writers and their works", I thought it would interest some of you. Wikidata:WikiProject LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group/Wikidata Working Hours#Upcoming Wikidata Working Hour. Topic: Diverse children's book metadata. Creating items for books (works and editions) in Wikidata. Rosiestep (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Orutsararmiut Native Council
Not strictly WIR related, but after learning about the recently elected Yup'ik politician Mary Peltola, I started this article: Orutsararmiut Native Council. She is a member and once served on their tribal court. TJMSmith (talk) 23:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Humaniki
I'm not sure what is going on at Humaniki, from which we update our statistics. The above link is quite different from a week ago and doesn't provide the usual info. I've sent an email and hope for a quick response, which I will share here. Oronsay (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it's looking a bit like it's lost access to all of its snapshots., yours, I think :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Everyone. I acknowledge that Humaniki is down at the moment. I haven't had a chance to look into it out of general busy-ness, but I promise to investigate in the next 3 weeks. Thanks for being such loyal users, and sorry I don't have a better answer at the moment. Maximilianklein (talk) 03:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * It's no problem for us, . We're very, very grateful for your work, and understand the basis on which it is done. As before, so long as we know it's on your radar, we can wait patiently and without anxiety for its return at your convenience. Above all, please don't let it, or us, cause you stress. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words and patience . I was able to take a look at humaniki today, and the fix was very simple. (It had to do with a misconfiguration on how the service restarts itself when it crashes, a once-in-6-months event, but I believe I fixed it). It should be back up. Thanks again. cc . Maximilianklein (talk) 17:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Excellent news, ; thank you very much; we're indebted to you. It is indeed back, and showing (as you know, but I checked anyway) the same figures as before. All is good (except that the % of women biogs is growing so very slowly these days.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, @Maximilianklein for fixing Humaniki. It's so important to be able to measure our impact. Oronsay (talk) 20:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Good to see everything's back to normal but it is indeed disappointing to see we are not moving forward more quickly. I'm not sure why things have slowed down so much. Part of the problem may be a result of our enthusiastic sports contributors being blocked or it may just be that many of our editors are spending more time on quality. Whatever the reason, we really need to find effective incentives for increasing the proportion of new biographies of women.  and : As you both take such an active interest in WiR, perhaps you can come up with some new ideas in this connection.--Ipigott (talk) 06:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Anyone interested in making the red links blue for Leading Ladies of Entertainment?
I just created the article Leading Ladies of Entertainment and would like to make it FL in the future. However, at least half of the list is red-linked. Perhaps as an incentive for the upcoming Hispanic Heritage Month? I will also accept any suggestions to the page. Erick (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

UK Wikimedian of the Year
Hello folks, Just a quick note of thanks since I got nominated as UK Wikimedian of the Year which is very nice. However, I wouldn't be making any of the edits that I do now without the encouragement and support of this project, so it's really reflection on all of you too! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Many congratulations! Encouraging for everyone at WiR :) Dsp13 (talk) 06:29, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well deserved! EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Big Big Congratulations @Lajmmoore OtuNwachinemere (talk) 16:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, ! Fanstastic news, and well-deserved award. Thanks for all you do. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Well done, ! Pam  D  17:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Congratulations ! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Very glad to see your contributions recognized. SusunW (talk) 18:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! —David Eppstein (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm so pleased to hear this, . You really deserved it.--Ipigott (talk) 19:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Thank you for all your work @Lajmmoore! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedians of the year
There is detailed coverage of the Wikimedians of 2022 in "Celebrating the 2022 Wikimedians of the Year as announced yesterday by Jimmy Wales at Wikimania. It is particularly encouraging for us to see so many women among them: Art+Feminism was also highlighted for Partnerships under Wikimedia Affiliate Spotlights.
 * Olga Paredes from Bolivia: Wikimedian of the Year
 * Anna Torres from Argentina: Honorable Mention
 * Nkem Osuigwe: Newcomer of the Year
 * Anne Rauwerda: Media Contributor of the Year

I must say I was surprised to see how few people viewed the award-winning ceremony yesterday afternoon with Jimmy Wales. I was one of an average of less than 100 live viewers. This is hardly the place to criticize arrangements for Wikimania but it seems to me much more could have been done to highlight some of the key events, especially the awards. This year there has been virtually no mention of the top awards in the international press. This too could have been improved by more striking press releases.--Ipigott (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with you @Ipigott. Its hard to understand why/how such an important event received so little publication. I know one of the winners personally and this would've certainly been a beautiful moment to bring all of their great work to the limelight. Congratulations to them all. Hoping we get it right soon. OtuNwachinemere (talk) 16:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Videos on how to edit Wikipedia
I have been asked on several occasions to recommend videos on how to edit Wikipedia. Apparently, a number of contributors to WiR feel that good video presentations would make it easier for newcomers to learn how to edit while others have considered including videos on their editathon meetup pages. I've recently come across several different presentations myself but the only ones I can remember now are this one from Edinburgh and this from Ireland. It might be useful to draw up a list of what is available and provide some sort of summary or rating on each one, with a view to including links in our essays, etc. I think we need to take all possible steps to recruit new editors and make it as easy as possible for them to contribute. Any recommendations?--Ipigott (talk) 10:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree that videos are usually the best option for training new editors. In case it's useful, here is a video I made for training Smithsonian interns and university-level students this past year. I was keen to make sure it was only 20 minutes, as anything longer feels pretty intimidating. Wikipedia Training in 20 minutes. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 00:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * This is great,, especially as you have it down to 20 minutes. , you do so much training; do you have some videos you can share? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for this video@Fuzheado OtuNwachinemere (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Fixing wikidata link
Hello. I've just created Elizabeth Mayhew Edmonds and tried to link it to the existing wikidata entry for her (Q28070950). Clearly I've overstepped my experience as an editor as instead I've created a separate wikidata entry instead (Q113702015). Whilst she was listed in red as 'Elizabeth Edmonds' she published as E M Edmonds so the longer name seems more accurate. Can someone help me solve this? And how should I do it in future? EEHalli (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If there's an existing WD item, link to that. If it has an insufficiency of aliases, add more in the 'also known as' column of the header block. If you create a new item in error, merge it with the pre-existing item. Probably, don't create item2 & then link it to item1 with 'described by source'. I've done the merge & all is good. t/y for the new WP article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There is a major problem here. We are all encouraged to make sure our new articles are linked to Wikidata. If the new article's title does not coincide with an existing entry, then a new entry is created. Editors working on Wikidata are usually more competent and if no new entry is created, they often manage to sort things out. It may be a good idea to advise those who are not too familiar with Wikidata to wait for a day or two before they try to create a new entry.--Ipigott (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * My standard practice is to search for and link an existing Wikidata item to a new article, but if no Wikidata item already exists then to wait and let the bot handle creating it. When my Wikidata search turns up multiple duplicate items (not uncommon), I merge them, usually to the lowest-numbered of the duplicates. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not ideal, but is an issue on the margins, not really causing that much harm. Duplicates will from time to time be created; and in time they'll be discovered and merged. Perhaps best to remind users that subjects on WD may be filed under name variants & so thought should be given to the search strings employed; but I'm not sure where we dispense 'add to WD' advice. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Where I fell down was I found the existing WD entry, which included the longer name but I couldn’t see any “how to” on how to link them. A search on “how to link to WD” returned a page that told me how to see the WD. In future I’ll wait for a couple of days to let it connect itself - in this instance I didn’t know if the expanded name would connect it to the alias listed in WD.

Many thanks to Tagishsimon for fixing it. EEHalli (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * How to link them = find the box that says "Wikipedia", and edit it to include another line with the first field = "en" and the second field = the title of your article. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * BTW - checking the what links to Elizabeth Mayhew Edmonds I saw several links from the redirect Elizabeth Edmonds to a British actress. I changes the name in those articles to Elizabeth Edmonds (actress), so those are properly back to redlinks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And a 'Well done!" to EEHalli for covering both the alphabet run and women writers - a September two-fer. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Suzy Paine, British economist
I saw on the Abhijit Sen article that Draft:Suzy Paine was his doctoral advisor. She died at a young age, but appears notable to me.Thriley (talk) 19:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Thriley I have added a little. MerielGJones (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thriley (talk) 21:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Spouse of the prime minister of the United Kingdom
Nearly all the subjects listed at Spouse of the prime minister of the United Kingdom have articles, except Mary Watson-Wentworth, Anne North and Sarah Robinson. Can we complete the list by making those red links blue? TrottieTrue (talk) 22:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Technical assistance?
Okay, so we are all agreed that I am terrible with Wiki-technology. Something has changed and I do not know how to fix it or update it. Please excuse my very un-technical explanation of the problem and if anyone has the answer, please explain it step by step in easily understood instructions. I used to have a little "-" feature on the drop down box at the top of the editing page (tabs Read, Edit, New Section, View History, ♥, ☆, More↓) marked More (the tab that allows one to move a file). Within the last few weeks this little "-" function has gone awnoay and now just says "auto ed". Pressing it does not do anything that I can ascertain, as when I press it, instead of converting the dashes to en-dashes, it just says "AutoEd/core.js: autoEdFunctions is undefined". I don't need to know what changed or why, just how do I get that functionality back. Anyone? SusunW (talk) 16:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you use VisualEditor or Source? In source you can find an en-dash under special characters => Symbols WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , sorry but I don't know what either VisualEditor or Source are, sorry. I merely use the edit tab from that top tabbed section above. I type about 120 words a minute on a standard Mexican keyboard and the key I use to generate - is marked ' with the shift of ?. (The US English equivalents of that key are - and shift _). The purpose of the script is to allow one to type from a standard keyboard and then it converts them. I think it would be crazy annoying and interrupt the rhythm to have to insert a special character each time you needed one, as I don't even look at the keyboard when I type. (I automatically even insert special characters, i.e. é, æ, ø, from the keyboard using alt and the number pad, meaning I rarely use the special character drop down). I know, I know, I am old. SusunW (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It would annoy me no end to do that to. My work around is the just type in a regular ol' dash. There are bots and meatbots happily changing my dashes to either the m or n dashes and other right behind changing it back. :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , okay, so OCD me is just going to take this off of my "finishing an article" routine and assume/hope that a bot will fix it. Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi SusunW! At the risk of muddying the waters here I think you are talking about this gadget - User:Ohconfucius/dashes.js. It converts dashes to be MOS compliant. I just used it to find out what specific gadget it is, so it still works for me. I also run it from the place/menu you described under "More". You could try reinstalling it perhaps, or maybe this info will help someone more techsavvy than us both to work out what the solution might be ... Mujinga (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I know you get how unsavvy I am because you have had to be patient with me on tech stuff before, I have no idea how to get to the page to install, reinstall that gadget, nor how, if it is necessary to remove the previous gadget I had installed. Sorry to be so obtuse, but wikitechnology is truly baffling to me and rarely has clear instructions. SusunW (talk) 18:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah here we go. This is ppl discussing the same issue as you are experiencing Mujinga (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope that helps, I'm sorry I'm really tired today and can't help much further ... I think if you ask over there, someone could walk you through it. Good luck! I def get you on the wikitechnology issues, it takes me ages sometimes as well :) Mujinga (talk) 19:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you. I hope you feel better soon. SusunW (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And that worked! It told me how to get to the page to input that script and what script to replace to fix the gadget. Just used it and it worked. Mujinga, you rock! SusunW (talk) 19:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * SusunW yay that's good news!! You can get back to content creation :) I'm pretty much back myself now, I was just tired yesterday from travelling more than anything else. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 11:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Tova Friedman
I saw there was a draft for Holocaust survivor Tova Friedman. She recently published a memoir and meets GNG in my opinion. I put her article into main space after noticing that she was getting mixed up with an artist who has a similar name. Thriley (talk) 04:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look tomorrow, (It's past midnight here right now). It looks like there's a lot of articles available on the newspaper databases.  Silver  seren C 06:02, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

article for deletion - misunderstanding?
Hi there, my new stub on Marysia Nikitiuk has been proposed for deletion, but the reason given seems like a misunderstanding? The editor states that one of Nikitiuk's films was ranked 4th in a film festival, but actually a critic named the film 4th best Ukrainian film of a decade. EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That rationale seems mistaken but the article could use some more sources to show her notability. On first glance, I found reviews of her film in The Hollywood Reporter and Cineuropa . There's also this article in a Polish paper which seems to talk about her, but it's paywalled and I don't know Polish so I can't be certain.   Madeline  ( part of me ) 17:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Madeline! I will work on the article. EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Same editor has nominated it again, even though myself and others have added lots more notable coverage since then. :( EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Avalon Daggett
I would be happy to have help with this new entry. Filmmaker. Pretty interesting I think. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata redlist: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Writers - Australia
I just created this list, but something isn't quite right as it isn't generating any names: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Writers - Australia. Could someone please take a look? Thanks. Rosiestep (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I've tried a couple of SPARQL variations, but in short, Listeria is not playing with any lists right now. Left long enough it produces an error 502 'bad gateway'. So later maybe. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to have perked up now. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tweaking it, . --Rosiestep (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

introducing Isaksenk
hello all! I met via zoom the other day about a different project. They do lots of work on women already & are signed up, but one of the things we talked about was how to make sure their work gets tagged into our stats? Lajmmoore (talk) 12:49, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * WiR and Humaniki metrics are based on the WP article being a woman biog, and having a sitelink from a Wikidata item which itself has human/female statements. Although it is good if authors link their articles to WD, there's no problem if not - there are several systems by which articles are attached to WD in a more or less prompt fashion. There's really a vanishingly small occurrence of biogs not being reflected in the stats. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata redlist: electronic literature writers

 * Perhaps you would like to create a redlist on electronic literature writer (Q113663593)  to help the new project along. It would be interesting to see if there are any important names with aritcles in other languages.--Ipigott (talk) 08:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Q113663593 was only created in August and as of now there is only one person linked to the item, Annie Abrahams. TSventon (talk) 08:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, : Then there's quite a bit of work to be done from the EN wiki for a start. I see there are a number of women in Category:Electronic literature writers (but there don't seem to be any equivalents in other languages). I've already suggested work along these lines at User talk:LoveElectronicLiterature but I don't know if there will be any follow-up. Looks like a gap that needs to be filled.--Ipigott (talk) 09:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The issue with the electronic literature writers is that most don't have "occupation=writer", let alone "occupation=electronic literature writer". Instead, their Wikidata association with electronic literature includes triplets of either "interested in=electronic literature" or "genre=electronic literature". Whlie I did create d:Q113663593 as a subclass of writer, so far, no one, including 's team, has added it to the human items linked to electronic literature. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do have a redlist available outside of wikipedia. We have identified about 400 women writers who have been active in the field. As writers, critics, professors, etc. We all have "day jobs." This is the same as most every other creative profession. A majority are in academia as professors of game studies, literary studies, digital studies, computer studies, etc.  So human items linked to electronic literature sounds about right.  There should be equivalents in other languages, and as we get started with the English project, we are reaching out to our colleagues. ELMCIP and ELO, the major databases for electronic literature, have many entries in other languages. But we thought that first we would start with images (a fun thing) and then get women into wikidata (a housekeeping/list thing) and then determine major works (mostly those from the peer reviewed and judged Electronic Literature Organization's four collections, and other highly regarded reference works).  This will be a multi year major effort and we do want to get started in a sustainable fashion.  Thank you all for your help!
 * and yes, lpigott, we are following up. But we are very slow to start. We do not want to be overwhelmed. We will bring tup the need for other language editors at our major international conferences, and I am garnering support slowly slowly slowly. Thank you for all of your patience with us as we begin.  I am only able to do this now because I retired 6 weeks ago. So please treat us like the newborn babies we are LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I am copying this conversation over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women writers/Women electronic literature writers. seem to be asking many of us for help and advice. If we centralize the conversation there we can avoid duplication of effort. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for copying this to the new WikiProject. I'm glad to see three members of WiR have added their names as participants. If we really want to help them along, then it would be useful if we could find others interested in participating. : I apologize if I have appeared to be hurrying you up with my comments on your talk page but I really feel it is important to make some initial progress on the project. Your suggestion of adding photographs might be useful, especially if you can get your colleagues to take photographs of themselves or each other and add them to Wikimedia Commons as their own work. It will be more difficult to add existing photographs as there may well be copyright problems. I also think it would be useful to add a link to your list of 400 electronic writers to the WELW talk page or provide pertinent links. Those of us who are more familiar with editing could then see how many are already included somewhere on Wikipedia or in other Wikimedia projects. Without revealing your name, I have for example discovered that you have your own biography on Wikipedia. I for one would be happy to help you along when I find sufficient time. If it's any consolation, WikiProject Women in Red/1000 Women in Religion, now WikiProject Women in Religion, got off to a very slow start in October 2018 but thanks to our help is now advancing well. I hope we will be able to offer you similar support.--Ipigott (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Image help
I've put up a short page for the German writer Hermine Villinger. I see German wikipedia has an image, but it's not on wikimedia commons. Could someone good with images put it there, so that it can be used on the English WP page? Dsp13 (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a fair use image. German determination of PD is 100 after the subject's death. US is 120 years. So fair use. Best. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Dsp13 (talk) 23:20, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Problems with accessing Newspapers.com (Publisher Extra Subscription)
Hi all,

I made a thread on this issue several days ago on the relevant talk page, but no one has responded to me over there. As of the past week, I've been unable to access any newspaper results from my Newspapers.com account through The Wikipedia Library. It keeps blocking any newspaper pages with a notice saying I need a "Publisher Extra Subscription" to access it. And while the purchasable plans page claims this extra access only applies to certain extra newspapers and that a Basic account still includes millions of papers, I have yet to find a single one that will give me access from a search. Is this going to be a permanent issue unless TWL shells out the money to get us all the extra expensive plans? It's made the account access completely worthless. Silver seren C 00:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I for one am not experiencing this, though I think I saw something similar the last time my subscription lapsed. If you click your name in the upper right and select Account Details, does it show "Complimentary Publisher Extra® Annual" with a valid "You Have Access Until" date? Nick Number (talk) 00:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, no, it says I'm a Registered Guest. Is that the issue, my account lapsed? Weird that the TWL account page didn't notify me of that ahead of time. I presume I can go to the TWL page and request renewal? Also, wow, I didn't realize they were paying so much then for each account. That full account price is expensive. Silver  seren C 00:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the most likely explanation. Yes, if you go to your My Collections page and click "View my applications", you should be able to request a renewal. Nick Number (talk) 01:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have done so! I do think there needs to be a better notification system that an account subscription is about to lapse. As in, any notification system at all outside of periodically just checking the applications page. Unless I was sent an email at some point that I missed, but I can't find it if so. Silver  seren C 01:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I've had multiple issues with my Newspaper.com over the years, most of the past ones being that it expired and no one noticed. When I first got my account years ago, they had me create a user name and password.  After ancestry.com acquired this, they didn't notify me it expired.  When I finally got them to renew it, they changed it to have my email address as my user name, and they created my new password.  Hope this helps you. — Maile  (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

How long does it usually take for renewals to go through? I was hoping rather quickly (like 24-48 hours quickly), but now I'm thinking it's going to be a full week or, horrors, even longer. The lack of it has pretty well crippled my ability to properly reference up biographical articles, ie articles for here. :( I guess I'll have to just keep working on scientific book articles, since I can still access those types of sources just fine. Maybe books by women? I have been wanting to make an article on Sabine Hossenfelder's new book. Wonder if there's enough reviews out yet on it, might not be more journal reviews until the September or October issues come out though. Silver  seren C 17:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Silver seren: I had a a similar experience this past summer (I was blocked by "publisher extra" material and had to renew my Newspaper.com subscription), and it took about 3-4 days for my renewal to be processed and accepted. Hopefully you hear back soon! Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Clare Higgins (politician)
Clare Higgins (politician) is getting better with form and references but could use some help.Djflem (talk) 09:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

sources for amateur astronomer
Hi all! can anyone find sources wrt the notability of Helen Lines? Is receipt of the Amateur Achievement Award of Astronomical Society of the Pacific sufficient? Eddie891 Talk Work 02:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I doubt the award itself is enough for WP:PROF, which is the only notability criterion I can think of that confers automatic notability for winning an award directly rather than from the sources about winning it. For this I think you would have to go with WP:GNG and in-depth sourcing, if the sources you ask for in the first part of your question can be found. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added a couple of refs including one to a report in a published book which should allow you to expand the article a bit.--Ipigott (talk) 09:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I gave it a little more, too, mostly personal details (birth and death dates, parents' names, birthplace) that might help link her into other sources. But I wasn't able to find much in my usual places. Penny Richards (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:South Kentucky College
Could I please have some help with this subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Okaloosa County Women's Hall of Fame
Okaloosa County Women's Hall of Fame was created by you in 2016, and it was added to the United States Women's Halls of Fame navbox a while back. I was going through the various halls of fame and updating them to 2022, when I looked at the Okaloosa one for the first time. WOW! Scroll to the bottom of that page. These women have been blowing and going and tooting their horns for years, nonstop. (their detailed web site) I don't suppose there are one or more participants here who would like to flesh out this list by individuals by year, etc. Doesn't have to be in table format, if a bullet-point sourced list is preferred. Thanks for reading this.— Maile (talk) 23:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with Women in Robotics
Women in Robotics (WiR) is a non-profit organization and a global community working towards promoting the visibility of women and non-binary people working in robotics and enabling women or non-binary people who aspire to join the field. I am trying to get a wikipedia page published on the topic, since it'll help create awareness and a necessary boost to strengthen the community. Also, there are a couple of initiatives depending on that wiki page, like the WiR photo challenge (aiming to improve the visbility and accurate representation of women robotics engineers coming up in the google image search) and creating & editing wiki pages for women pioneers in robotics (aiming to increase media representation). But with current references and lack of "significant coverage" I am not able to get a draft approved. I would love some help with reviewing or modifying the draft or any tips to atleast get the page up!

Draft:Women in Robotics QuarkyTale (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I looked into this after I rescued Lisa Winter, and I found it difficult to dig up sources, likely related to "women in robotics" being a common phrase in articles and papers having nothing to do with the organization. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The tip would be: Work to make the organization more widely known first. Wikipedia coverage can follow only after that. This sort of thing is discussed at WP:SOAPBOX. Many people with worthy causes want Wikipedia to be the medium that makes people aware of their cause. That is not what Wikipedia is good for and trying to do so will tend to activate Wikipedia's defense mechanisms against spam and advertising. In the meantime, the way to make the draft look less spammy is to cut all the low-quality sources (material put out by the organization itself, fundraising links, writeups on social media, promotion of university employees by their employers, etc) and all the material based on those sources, and look only for independently-written stories published in mainstream media that are primarily focused on the organization itself. If you can put together three such sources, write a draft based only on what those sources say about the organization and not on your own knowledge of it, and it stands a good chance of being approved. But if those sources do not exist yet, you need to work elsewhere to get the organization to the level where they do exist, rather than taking the need for a Wikipedia article as your starting point when the basis for an article is not available. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I searched for a redlist of women robotocists but couldn't find one in our Redlist Index. If a Wikidata person (ping:, etc.) can create it this month, we can include it on our event page next month, "Women in STEM" historically being our October annual event. Thanks!
 * Also,, if/when you have the time, could you please run AWB through and its geo subcategories in search of articles which could also populate  (currently contains only 46 articles)? Thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 00:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure - I should be able to look into that in a couple of days. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 11:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Roboticist. Afraid there's only 12 names.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 03:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 11:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Up to 23 now, with a few more coming in a day or two, when my Quickstatements backlog allows the batch to run. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.ieee-ras.org/images/attachments/awards/RAS_Fellow_listing_2022.pdf would be a good place to look for names of roboticists who meet WP:PROF. The earliest missing one appears to be Deirdre Meldrum, but there's a messy legal battle over her dean position at ASU to either overlook or work around. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Finally was able to get to this today, and only turned up four new names in my search. I've added them to the category. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Four more is better than zero more. Thanks! Rosiestep (talk) 05:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Any time. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:53, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Death of Sania Khan
Comments at Articles for deletion/Death of Sania Khan are welcome. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 20:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Mary Frances Vashon (Colder)
Is this African American journalist notable per Wikipedia standards? FloridaArmy (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If this part could be found to be true, then perhaps: "This made her one of the pioneering black women journalists in the U.S." However, the reference (1) given does not seem to support this statement. Perhaps if you could find a source that can be cited, this could make her highly notable. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 20:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Tomorrow - Smithsonian Wiki Event - Advocacy and Invention: A Women's History Edit-a-thon
Register to attend the Smithsonian virtual edit-a-thon about women's health topics, tomorrow September 15th from 1:00-3:30pm Eastern. You can see our meetup page and worklist here. Fuzheado and I will be facilitating the training, opening remarks about this topic and relevant Smithsonian collections from curator of medicine and science, Katherine Ott, of the National American History Museum. Hope to see you there! KellyDoyle (talk) 21:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, and please feel free to help us improve this worklist: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Smithsonian_AWHI/Meetup/Advocacy_and_Invention:_A_Women%27s_History_Edit-a-Thon - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 21:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This looks great; I added a couple of entries that could use work. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , unfortunately, unable to attend during scheduled time, but made a few edits to some articles on the list. Rosiestep (talk) 05:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Rosiestep! We saw your edits and highlighted them to the attendees! Thanks @Innisfree987 too! - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 20:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Malin Gustafsson and Malin Gustafsson (ice hockey)
Are Malin Gustafsson and Malin Gustafsson (ice hockey) the same person? They appear to have the same name and date of birth (24 January 1980), but one plays football and the other ice hockey. This is a question asked by 佛祖西来 at the help desk. TSventon (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @TSventon: https://norran.se/sport/fotboll/norran-listar-de-tio-basta-damfotbollsspelarna-fran-bygden-i-historien provided by User:Dougal18 can prove they are the same person. 佛祖西来 (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @佛祖西来 thank you. Even post merger the article is a stub that would benefit from more and better sources. TSventon (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano)
Project members may wish to comment here. All opinions welcome.4meter4 (talk) 09:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Update, I added many sources to the article which I basically re-wrote. So I am counting this as part of #1day1woman | 2022.4meter4 (talk) 22:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with image of Cristina Ayala
I'm making some improvements to Cristina Ayala (1856–1936), an Afro-Cuban poet, and would like to add an image to her page. There's a photograph of her on this website which, from her age, looks like it was probably made in the late 1800s or early 1900s, but there's no attribution and the image is very small. I imagine it must be public domain. It may be scanned from her 1926 book, Ofrendas Mayabequinas, which I also can't find. Any help in locating the origin or a higher-quality image would be most welcome! pburka (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Glenna Smith Tinnin
Which of these would be a better lead image? or ? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 17:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I like the first (seated) one because you can see her face more clearly and it's a bit less theatrical. pburka (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, first one is way better. Better framed, more details and focus on the person. Silver  seren C 18:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Susan Brookes
Formerly a well-known British chef from ITV's This Morning. Does she qualify for an article? When you put her name into Google, one of the suggested searches is "susan brookes chef wikipedia", so I imagine people want to know about her. Her credits are here, and she also had at least three of her own cookbooks published.—TrottieTrue (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know if there are any news articles that discuss her in depth, or if her cookbooks have been reviewed in reliable sources? pburka (talk) 23:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I couldn't find anything when I looked. The books were put out by larger publishing houses though, I think. TrottieTrue (talk) 13:45, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've done some cursory searches, too, and couldn't find anything. Without sources, she probably doesn't qualify for an article. pburka (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have very little access to British sources from Mexico, but there seem to be news stories which indicate that she is notable. This and this, I found in newspaper.com. A search in the main search bar of the Wiki-Library shows articles in papers like the Mirror, Sun, The Times, etc. Someone who has access to UK papers would likely be able to flesh out an article. SusunW (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, SusunW. Good work. I struggled to find any articles with her as the subject, but so many search results are just her name coming up in TV listings. The Sun wouldn’t be usable, but the others could be. Perhaps I’ll try digging more. I would be happy to work on an article if it wasn’t at risk of deletion.—TrottieTrue (talk) 00:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You could work on a draft version of the article first as Draft:Susan Brookes and get it up to a good quality before moving it to mainspace. Then there wouldn't be a risk of deletion until you're sure it has enough references to showcase. Silver  seren C 00:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I put in the search bar in newspapers.com "Susan Brookes, chef", rather than just her name. Perhaps that will help eliminate just the name check articles in TV listings? SusunW (talk) 13:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * SusunW I’ve created the Susan Brookes article now. Thanks.—TrottieTrue (talk) 20:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Given the starting position, that's an outstanding piece of work, TrottieTrue; chapeau! --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow yes! I had no luck when I looked. Very impressive! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, much appreciated. It wasn’t easy when I started looking, but after the pointers from SusunW, I was able to piece together enough, largely thanks to The Wikipedia Library. There’s now far more online about Susan Brookes than there was. Hopefully that will improve. She’s certainly well-remembered by many in the UK, I’d say, so it was surprising she had no article.—TrottieTrue (talk) 23:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well done! Women's articles in that period are especially hard (particularly if their name is somewhat common), little tricks like putting in a town name, an occupation, etc. in the search often are helpful. Even so, it takes perseverance to find the sourcing. You did a great job on this one. SusunW (talk) 04:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Good work! This all goes to show that we shouldn't be put off by the apparent lack of items on simple Google searches. Many of the sources in the biographies I have written do not show up either but could often be found with the kind of tips Susun suggested.--Ipigott (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ipigott! And thank you again to SusunW. It’s always encouraging to get good feedback. Susan Brookes was still active in the early days of the Internet, but it seems her last TV appearance was in 2004. Were she around now, she’d have an article. Wikipedia “recentism” I guess. The Wikipedia Library comes in handy for this stuff.—TrottieTrue (talk) 23:00, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Women in Red templates
Hello, WikiProject,

I just noticed this category has been tagged for being empty. It will now sit for 7 days in our Empty Categories category and if it remains empty, it will be deleted. Are there any WIR templaes that are around that should be placed in this category? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 22:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think all our template are in Category:Women in Red templates. It looks like Category:WikiProject Women in Red templates was created by who seemed to created a lot of cats in 2020 and then moved along. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Eileen O'Brien / Eibhlín Ní Bhriain redirect help sought
I began work on Eileen O'Brien, one of the four women in red from the DUB and found that she already exists under her Gaelic name - Eibhlín Ní Bhriain. I can do a link on the disambiguation page for Eileen O'Brien but I'm not entirely sure how I do a redirect from English to Irish so it gets picked up by the DUB list? Can anyone help? EEHalli (talk) 15:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Without looking, on DAB pages we don't pipe WP links, so this, perhaps: diff. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It might be helpful if the main page explained the two names. For example, did she adopt the Irish spelling later in life? Did she publish under both spellings (as well as the pen name Candida)? pburka (talk) 16:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * AFAIK it's OK to use a redirect (not the same as piping) on a dab page, and I think it's clearer that way. Given that one of the two original sources for the article is the entry "O'Brien, Eileen Mary (Ní Bhriain, Eibhlín)" in the Dictionary of Irish Biography, this again illustrates my hobby horse of "Please provide redirects (or dab entries or hatnotes) from all names used in any of the sources"! I've just created the redirect Eileen Mary O'Brien.  Wikidata seems to know both/all versions of her name.  Pam  D  20:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've just found that source available online, so will upgrade the reference to link to it for readers (it doesn't answer Pburka's questions, though shows she was born "O'Brien" (or "Ó Briain"). Pam  D  20:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! She definitely wrote in the Anglicised name for the Irish Times but equally she wrote a column for them in Irish. I felt it was outside my experience to get them all joined up! EEHalli (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * EEHalli, the answer to your initial problem of linking an en Wikipedia article to a WiR list of redlinks is to merge the Wikidata item linked to the article and the one linked to the entry on the redlist. That has already been done here. The subject of the two Wikidata items needs to be the same, as it was in this case. TSventon (talk) 23:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Women's suffrage in Sri Lanka
Hi all, Women's suffrage in Sri Lanka seems a notable topic, and as such I have marked it as reviewed, but it seems that it needs substantial work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Anyone with NY Times access?
I've added a page for Helen Chapin Metz, and am busy linking her - as the editor of 15 Library of Congress Country Studies, she's actually mentioned on hundreds of pages. On her talk page I've put a couple of NYT refs I don't have access to - could someone with access check the contents and add to the page as appropriate? Dsp13 (talk) 08:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Both available at Proquest with The Wikipedia Library. If you can't access them, let me know. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Good to know, thank you! Dsp13 (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Good Article Editathon event in October 2022
 Hello WikiProject Women in Red:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Editathon event in October 2022!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2022, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event – Wildcard Edition! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to any and all women and women's works during the event period. Want to improve an article about a Bollywood actress? Go for it. A pioneering female scientist? Absolutely. An award-winning autobiography by a woman? Yes! GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Goldsztajn (talk) 01:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Record setting marathoner Tigist Assefa needs an expansion and updates
The stub article on Tigist Assefa needs an expansion. She set a new course record at the 2022 Berlin Marathon! TJMSmith (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with Somalia women's national basketball team + related bio
Looking for help with expanding Somalia women's national basketball team, about which there is a huge amount of information available, and possibly some associated new biography articles as well, most notably Suad Galow (sometimes spelled "Suad Glow") (as long as there are enough sources to justify article creation, which for Galow I believe there are). I was startled to see the bio for Somali player Manal Cali by deleted so quickly – I had been hoping for at least a "merge" – but I've now had that page temporarily refunded and cut and paste the most relevant paragraph into the team page. I'm hoping that by creating a page for Suad Galow, we restore some kind of balance in the universe. I will do what I can as well, but it strikes me that some of this is beyond my comfort zone topically, so would appreciate some help. Thanks. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiquote: SheSaid
Will be back in October. Your help is welcome. It can be
 * to add new quotes entries from women or about women
 * to improve existing quotes
 * to add the projects links when both a wikipedia and a wikiquote exist (but are not connected to one another...)
 * or to add suggestions of super quotable women we should be working on !
 * relay the campaign :)
 * or anything you think could be worth it.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:SheSaid

Thanks

Anthere (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, and enjoy your break. Is there not a way of creating a list of women whose Wikidata info includes Wikiquote (possibly without those whose bios already have a link on the EN wiki)? It's not too easy to make manual searches to see which biographies should be modified. Maybe can look into this.--Ipigott (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What break ? I would love a break. How do I get that ? :)

More seriously, two years ago, I got those queries as examples: More queries would definitely be helpful. Such as the one you mentionned above. Tagishsimon... can you help ? Also remember that at least on the English Wikiquote, only entries about women who already have an article on Wikipedia is accepted. The English wikiquote page actually provide some suggestions, either for creation, or for improvement of existing. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:SheSaid#Things_you_can_do What we, in fact, do not have... is a query that would tell us which entries exist both on quote and on wikipedia but do not have the sisterlinks in both entries to navigate easily between the two... that would be helpful to have that.
 * women who have a featured article on either French or English Wikipedias... with no entry on the French Wikiquote check it out
 * women featured article on the English Wikipedia with no wikiquote entry check it
 * women listed on the French wikiquote check it and men listed check it out

But the key issue I face is that... not all women are quotable. Some are famous... but not necessarily famous for their words. On the contrary... some women really have a special gift and provide strong and interesting quotes. And this... only a human can tell. I would be very interested for this type of input. Anthere (talk)


 * Thanks for all these details, . I'll try to spend some of my time reviewing your lists. Unfortunately, as I write mainly about Scandinavians, I don't think many of them have yet been included on Wikiquote. You may be interested to know while recently reviewing names associated with women electronic literature writers, I came across one or two who were included in Wikidata with a link to Wikiquote but no Wikipedia article in any language. Maybe in some cases their articles on the EN wiki had been deleted for lack of notability. I found it strange that they were only on Wikiquote but perhaps some contributors specialize in just adding quotations. Maybe there's less chance of deletion and they show up in Google searches.--Ipigott (talk) 12:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

File:Poster by Anna Soós Korànyi for the Seventh Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance.jpg
If you'll forgive me bragging, I think this cleanup went exceptionally well (and took forever). Anna Soós Korànyi is still a redlink, if anyone wants to look at Hungarian female artists (she does appear to have sources, but, well, largely in Hungarian.)

Sorry I've been absent a bit. Between COVID-19, familial death, and generally low mood for the last few months, I've just been working on anything that I can actually get enthusiasm on right now, which appears to be pretty random. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 16:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * For the record, it looks like it's going to pass tomorrow. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 13:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Coolest Tool Award
Do you have a favorite tool that helps you in your Wikipedia work? Information about this year's Coolest Tool Award (nomination period, selection, award ceremony, etc.) is here: m:Coolest Tool Award. Rosiestep (talk) 15:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I was interested to see that Humaniki was among last year's winners.--Ipigott (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Article with close paraphrasing/copyvio
Hi all, Juana Josefina Cavasos Barnard has text that is lifted from a copyrighted source. I cut it all out, but hopefully someone with the time and interest might be able to paraphrase it. I just don't at the moment, unfortunately. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I rewrote it myself, I put this article together when I was first starting out and I more clearly understand the rules now. In the future please at least leave a note on my talk page letting me know there is an issue. ShaveKongo (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Mary Gundel
Does Mary Gundel appear to have enough sources to meet GNG? She got a lot of coverage over a few months but I’m not sure it is enough. Thriley (talk) 23:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think maybe too soon & single event. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Washington conservationists
I found this book Extraordinary Women Conservationists of Washington while looking for sources for Dee Arntz and discovered a number of women who appear to be notable. I won't have time to create articles for all of them so I thought I would share a few of the names (along with a couple of other sources where I was able to easily find them) in case anyone else is interested in helping:-

Sammielh (talk) 12:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Polly Dyer [1 ][2 ][3 ][4 ][5 ][6 ]
 * Emily Haig [1 ][2 ][3 ][4 ]
 * Bonnie Phillips [1 ][2 ]
 * Melanie Rowland [1 ][2 ][3 ]
 * Marcy Golde
 * Sheri Tonn [1 ][2 ]
 * Joan Thomas [1 ][2 ][3 ]
 * Judy Turpin [1 ][2 ]
 * Vim Wright [1 ][2 ][3 ][4 ]
 * I'l do Vim Wright. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 22:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Zella Wolofsky
The Zella Wolofsky draft is having issues leaving the draft state and I am concerned. Can anyone help add more citations to it and aid in the clean up? Wolofsky is notable in the field of HCI and dance history. Thank you in advance. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I've promoted the article, which I deem to meet WP:NACADEMIC criteria 1, based on a google books search. I agree she's notable, especially for her Labanotation work which continues to have HCI impact today. Now at Zella Wolofsky. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you for your work! PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Approaching my 600th Featured Picture
Now, it's a little hard to plan things exactly - WP:FPC has a tendency to go through periods of low participation, and, at the moment, a lot of things are getting stuck at 4 supports out of the 5 needed - but I'm at 595 featured pictures, have three up at FPC, one held back, and, anyway, I'd like to have some big WiR-related image for the 600th. Something a little more difficult, so I can use the extra motivation to get it done, like File:A J Cooper.jpg (the original, higher-resolution version), or File:Mary Jane Clarke - Royal Pavilion & Museums, Brighton and Hove.jpg. Any suggestions? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 23:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Both of those look interesting but how about File:Pinwill-Family c.1907.jpg which heads the article Pinwill sisters. You might find other candidates here.--Ipigott (talk) 06:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I can look at it, but unless I can find a higher-resolution copy it has no chance at featured picture, I fear. I'll poke around. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 14:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The subject of the article I started yesterday, contralto Elizabeth Lennox, has a lot of photos in Commons from the Bain News Service collection at the Library of Congress. Some could definitely benefit from your attentions. She's also in this party of a photo, which feels celebratory to me (also from the Bain)--it was the employees' luncheon for the Brunswick Records label on June 29, 1921; Lennox is in there, also Marie Tiffany and Dorothy Jardon; could probably work out who some of the others are too. That dress with the spiral appliques on the skirt is hypnotizing me. Penny Richards (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have any particular images in mind to suggest (though if I were making a blanket suggestion, I might search for someone outside the Anglophone world...maybe from an underrepresented society or culture. But I can't think of anyone offhand.) But I did want to offer my congratulations on achieving the milestone. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking File:Anna Fernqvist, rollporträtt - SMV - H1 122 - Restoration.jpg - She's not Anglophone, and Anna Bartels is on my to-do list. And then probably Cooper, Lennox, and so on. Wanted one that was a little more difficult, and those microtears hit that.
 * The trouble I have is that I can usually navigate a library archive in most European, latin-script languages, and some of the non-European ones. Cyrillic is somewhat doable. But I can't even make a search query in, say, Urdu, and will struggle to find the right place to even make a search query because figuring out what, say, "Katalog" means is easy, and "کتب خانہ کیٹلاگ" is not - and that limits me. And, of course, that presumes I know enough Pakistan history to identify important women (I do not), and that the libraries have scanned things at high enough resolution for me to do things - which also hits the point that poor countries may not have had the Victorian photography boom in the same way that the West had, and thus photos may be less likely to exist, or, because of colonialism, less likely to have been preserved.
 * There are systemic biases to work through, and I'm not sure how to. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 03:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I would of course support improvement of the image of Anna Fernqvist or indeed any others of the opera singers I have been writing about. Your work on some of the related images has already been very impressive.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2022
--Lajmmoore (talk) 14:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Seventh Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance
Just to note this is meant to go on the main page (as POTD) on its 110th anniversary next year. I f anyone wants to give it a quick copyedit, it probably wouldn't go amiss. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 16:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Done.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The article needs more work as it could be tagged with Template:One source. "This article relies largely or entirely on a single source. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help improve this article by introducing citations to additional sources." The single source does not show that the WP:GNG is met and it is from 1922 so it may be outdated per WP:AGE MATTERS. It is written by an activist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, so it may be a WP:PRIMARY source. TSventon (talk) 09:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I mentioned the same thing on the article's talk page. Let's hope there will be a response.--Ipigott (talk) 09:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Allison Kopf
Hello, i have had this article removed for promotional content, i seem to have this reoccurring problem when writing biography pieces. While i'm trying to improve i'm struggling to find some examples of promotional content on this page currently. I have done a few clean ups but i still feel as though there could be an issue. Could someone lend a hand to point to some examples of where I've gone wrong. Thanks! SecureJane (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Could I start by answering the question with a question: do you have a conflict of interest with respect the the subjects you're writing about? Your edit history has a particular editing pattern seen again and again with COI accounts - specifically its history starts with 1) just enough edits to enable you to create an article in mainspace, followed immediately by 2) the creation of a very well-formed article (in terms of wikipedia syntax, layout &c) 3) the subject matter of the articles you're creating and 4) as a bonus, the importation into User:SecureJane/common.js of a bunch of scripts as some of the first edits in the account. It is not common for newbies to arrive with the level of knowledge displayed in your account's history. It is common for COI accounts run by persons well familiar with WP. Obviously the pattern does not axiomatically mean COI is in play; it just gives that impression; hence my question. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * I have had experience writing on Wikipedia prior to this account, I had an old account years back, nothing too serious but enough to get to grips with writing/referencing style. Overtime I had lost interest/direction as to why I was doing it and what I wanted to contribute.
 * So when I started back up again, instead of editing random articles I made enough edits to create pages, as I wanted to create articles. During the start up edits I found this group which have similar aims as myself. As to the user scripts section, this occurred due to me trying to brush up on wiki knowledge, after finding these, as an amateur programmer(python/learning js) when I found that there was a feature similar to browser user-scripts like Tamper-monkey, I was hooked at seeing the features the community were adding themselves and at some-point I hope to contribute to the user-scripts myself.
 * Additionally, as to the subject matter of the articles I have created, 90% of these articles have come from this groups red list index (including this one). Ill generally do some research on a person in the lists and if i feel that 1) there story is of interest to me and 2) there is enough info online. Ill try and create an article. This inst always accepted as you can see from my drafts similar to this Draft:Candi Castleberry-Singleton
 * I understand why you might question this given your reasons above, but i have no COI with any of the topics. However, due to the nature of the articles being biography's, I feel my writing style and tone does portray a biased tone, which is why I posted here as I want to understand what it is I'm doing wrong and how to fix it. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! SecureJane (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you've been running into difficulties. It seems to me that the basic problem is the overall tone of the article. In the lead, you could for example replace "is positioned on many boards across many education and science boards" with "serves on boards related to companies and organizations in the education and science sectors". I also think you could have included something about her involvement in cannabis, which in fact represents almost half her business. It looks as if you have avoided it intentionally as not everyone may find it attractive. At the moment, the article is full of success stories. You might be able to find one or two items in which Secure has faced problems or received negative criticism. You might also like to look at the guidelines in our Essays, particularly our Primer for creating women's biographies. In general, the article is well presented. You just need to make it look less promotional. Let me know if you think you can follow up with improvements.--Ipigott (talk) 10:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply, SecureJane. I concur with Ipigott, above. Let me pick out some more sections & give you my honest reactions to them, and to the article overall:
 * "spending lots of time within the Black Dirt Region she had always had a high level of respect for the state farmers." - how do you know this? What is the source? What does it mean for an encyclopedia to tell us 'she had always had a high level of respect for' whatever ... that's the sort of language one would expect on an election flyer.
 * "As a child Kopf had an interest in science and technology and had planned to become and engineer in Silicon Valley" - really? When I was a child I wanted to be a soup dragon. WP is not Hello! Magazine.
 * The first three paragraphs in the Career section are about 5 parts hagiography to 1 part neutral biography. It's not actually good that we get to learn about her frustrations or her aims.
 * In paragraph 4, we get a fairly long & right-on quote from the subject. Why?
 * "her efforts to promote CEA ". We never learn what CEA is. Later in that paragraph, which again gives the impression of aggrandisation of the subject, we completely trip up on just how damn vital the subject's work is for the future of the world: "indoor farming as a solution for the issues of both food insecurity and climate change in which she described it as a valuable tool for ensuring the preservation of climate and food resiliency"
 * "first", "pioneering". Weasel words.
 * "The award was presented at a private wine dinner" Really? In an encyclopedia? "featuring Janet Trefethen of Trefethen Vineyards". That's great. Good old Janet. In an encyclopedia.
 * So yes. The impressions given are of aggrandisation, hagiography, advertisment and promotion. Take all that away and we are left with a subject who went to university, has been involved in a number of start-ups which seem to have stopped, is now in some level of role in a company which took over a start-up she was involved in, and who has garnered a number of awards or mentions from, more or less, the junket circuit. The references look somewhat PR-fodderish; and I'm sure the subject is good at PR. For me, at best, she scrapes over the WP:GNG line, and per WP:CORPDEPTH even that's open to question. And for me, again, it really does seem like the purpose of the article is to promote the subject, and is not to provide neutral information. Taking your assurance that you have no COI on good faith, I'm not sure what the future for this article should be. Ideally, it would be burned down with fire, but if that is not an option, it probably needs the most severe pruning to leave just the most basic facts. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * Thanks for your reply! i have fixed the suggested edits and will continue to read through the sources given to improve on my style of writing for biographies in the future. Thanks a bunch!
 * and thanks for your eye opening response, in reference to your "how do you know this? where is the source?" is the source linked to the paragraph. But I completely understand where your coming from and have removed or reworded the sections in which you pointed out, and will be looking further into the rules as it is clear that i still have a lot to learn about writing articles and the overall rules of Wikipedia!
 * In terms of the future of the article, i have attempted a re-word and fix-up, if you still do not feel like this meets the guidelines let me know and ill "Burn it down with fire". ;) SecureJane (talk) 13:39, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making some more changes to the article. I've promoted it to mainspace as Allison Kopf. :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your interest in the article. I think the move to mainspace may be a little premature. I would have liked to see further improvement backed by more acceptable sources. But we can still continue to work on it. I agree with you that we have someone who deserves to be included.--Ipigott (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Talkpage template issue for WikiProject Women in Religion (was WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion)
WikiProject Women in Religion | WikiProject Women in Religion Using "Rater" to add/update WikiProject talkpage templates while on a woman's biography mainpage, you can add the WikiProject Women in Religion talkpage template. Afterwards, if you click "Rater" again, you can't see it. However, if you click on the biography's talkpage, you can see it. This may have something to do with the WikiProject changing its name? Help. Thanks. (cc: ) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that the problem probably was caused by renaming the project, WikiProject Council/Guide says it is best to get help from an administrator or page mover to make sure that a project is fully updated when it is renamed. TSventon (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Apart from the performance of Rater, I must say I find it rather confusing that some talk pages are marked WP 1000 Women in Religion while others are WP Women in Religion. Is there any possibility of changing them all to Women in Religion? Perhaps can apply some of his clever tools to this.--Ipigott (talk) 19:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I need to investigate, but this should be an easy fix; hopefully I'll be able to get to it sometime this week. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sounds good.--Ipigott (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Yah everyone, I tried to edit the template but wasn't able to figure out how to make all talk pages consistent, if I'm even saying that right. I was going to ask the helpful folks at the Help Desk, but this discussion happened first. Ser Amantio, I'd appreciate the assistance. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * And hey! I see that it's been done. Wow, that's impressive. Thanks so much. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I've updated the talkpages so they're at least consistent. I will also shortly do a run to add articles to the project, as it appears to me that there are many that want tagging. That being said...I suspect the issues are stemming from the fact that the project page was moved, but others have not been. Solving that is above my pay grade, I'm afraid. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 23:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks,.
 * Still hoping someone can solve the problem I mentioned at the top of this section: being able to view the WikiProject tag while on the biography's mainpage (via "Rater"), as well as the issue of seeing "WikiProject Women in Religion" when clicking on the biography's talkpage instead of seeing "WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion". Example: Rachel Isaacs/Talk:Rachel Isaacs. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Perhaps or someone else familiar with wikiprojects could either fix the problem or let us know what should be done.--Ipigott (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Task to fix this is in progress, and should be finished soon. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think everything is fixed and working normally again. If there are still problems, please follow up with a specific, detailed explanation. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for sorting it all out. And thanks also to for adding thousands of articles to the project. I hope  is happy with the results.--Ipigott (talk) 08:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


 * , yes indeed; thank you. Everything seems to be working okay now. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Anna Wynne O'Ryan
This American playwright was submitted and rejected. Help most welcome. See also Draft:Madelyn Sheppard. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I moved both of these to main space. Given the time period, it's possible, if not likely that there are additional offline. TJMSmith (talk) 15:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * As an experienced editor, you may wish to start creating articles directly in mainspace instead of going through the, IMO, inconsistent draft process. pburka (talk) 18:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Meredith Tax, feminist author and activist, has died
Meredith Tax has died. Any help with the article would be appreciated. The Recent Death nomination expires in less than 10 hours. I thought I might have time to work on it, but other things have gotten in the way. Thriley (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a fair-use image. Penny Richards (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thriley (talk) 03:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)