Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 133

Great source for writing on women in classical music, opera, etc.
Hi all. I just discovered a treasure trove of material at the Retrospective Index to Music Periodicals (1760–1966); a website dedicated to making historic music journals available to the public. Anyone writing on historic women in music may find coverage in some of the periodicals available at this website. Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, for letting us know about this interesting multilingual site. I'm probably a bit of a dummy about lists like these but I cannot see how to access the individual items on the full text list. Perhaps you can help?--Ipigott (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Many libraries have access. I am accessing it through my public library's website. There is an access tab that you can read to learn how to access the collection. It's possible the WikiLibrary may have access. I haven't checked. I should have made that clear in my initial post. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the How to Access RIPM’s Online Publications page, they are available through EBSCOHost, which is a collection in The Wikipedia Library. However, so far I've not figured out how to make it work. When accessing ripm.org through the public library, what steps do you take to access the full text of a publication? Nick Number (talk) 14:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am accessing it through my library's account in EBSCO. Unfortunately, not all content in EBSCO is available through the WikiLibrary (or any other institution). There are levels of access within EBSCO and it really depends on what level of service your particular library has subscribed to. You might try going through your local library's EBSCO account. If they don't have access, you could always request that they acquire access (many libraries do have funds set aside for purchases like this). Likewise you could contact the WikiLibrary and make a similar request. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not much hope for me here in Denmark or in Luxembourg. If they are really interested in making these resources available to people who could benefit from them, they should provide far better access or explain on their site that the resources are only available to those with special privileges. From your user page,, it looks as if you are using a library in the United States. I don't expect public libraries in other countries can expect to connect as easily as you can. Maybe I can access some of the resources from other sites, for example in Germany, France or elsewhere. If I'm successful, I'll let you know.--Ipigott (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I added a suggestion at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/. Nick Number (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red session during WikiWomenSummit x Wikimania 2023
A friendly FYI and for transparency: and I will be presenting a session ("Collaborative on-wiki events planning at Women in Red's Virtual Ideas Cafe") in-person at WikiWomenSummit x Wikimania, Wednesday 16 August. I believe you will be able to view it (and lots of other sessions) via Eventyay if you've registered for Wikimania as an online participant. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you sure we won't be able to view your session on YouTube without registering as an online participant? We've always been able to do so in previous years. I see the session is listed here.--Ipigott (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is the YT channel for this Wikimania. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know the GMT for the event Wednesday 16 August? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The WiR presentation starts at 2:22 here. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Stats % flat - for a week
The latest update to the project page is " % unchanged: 19.63% - 19.632% - 1,955,170 biogs, 383,838 women as at 14 August 2023". Thanks as ever to User:Oronsay et al. for doing these. Looking back a year, it was "19.31% - 19.307% - 1,899,428 biogs, 366,717 women as at 8 August 2022". Without doing a proper analysis, it seems likely we will hit both 2,000,000 biogs and 400,000 women by the end of 2023. Or thereabouts. Johnbod (talk) 22:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You're probably right,, about when we are likely to meet these rounded figures. It seems less likely, however, that we'll reach 20% women biographies by the end of the year. At the current diminishing rates, we'll be lucky to make it by the end of 2024. The figures reflect a general decrease in new articles on Wikipedia. For the same period last year, we had 360 new women's biographies compared with only 229 this year. Overall, the total of 1,151 new biographies for the period this year was considerably lower than last year's 1,453. Wikipedia statistics show that the average number of new articles per day this year (450) is much less than the 580 per day in 2022. I don't think there's much we can do about it apart from encouraging our contributors to become a bit more active.--Ipigott (talk) 09:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, well I said I didn't do a proper analysis! I wonder if there is some hope for the proportion to rise from group deletions (Doug Coldwell etc) of bios, that are mostly male? In general, I can't much regret a fall in new articles. Johnbod (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If the interest in women in sport continues to increase (as in the case of the current FIFA Women's World Cup), then there's a chance the proportion of articles about women will begin to rise more quickly again. We should also try to attract more new active members to Women in Red, not just newbies but experienced editors who have a record of writing good biographies. As I've said before, I'm convinced this could be achieved through contests, even without physical prizes, but my last attempt at organizing something along these lines met with strong opposition from some of our most active members. It's been suggested that to be successful, our contests need to have real awards. Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to take on any responsibilities in connection with the financial support involved, even if everyone keeps telling me WMUK would be glad to help. By contrast, Women in Green seem to be able to organize successful contests on the basis of virtual awards. Why can't we?--Ipigott (talk) 15:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Johnbod I am a writer of articles, but not at all up to speed with the back of end things. I have a possibly stupid question but would appreciate your response. When I publish an article about a female translator using Infobox Writer (for example Elsie Martindale Hueffer) does this get added to the statistics as a biography about a woman? I have so little idea about what happens to the articles once I publish, I didn't know if there was something I might be missing? Thank you BJCHK (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @BJCHK, the stats count articles linked to Wikidata items where the subject is described as human and female, and Pi bot produced a suitable Wikidata item for Elsie Martindale Hueffer, so the article will be counted. TSventon (talk) 01:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @TSventon thank you for the speedy reply - much appreciated. I continue my learning journey in this amazing place BJCHK (talk) 01:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Social media – Threads and Mastodon
I have started a discussion on the above on the WIR Social media Talk page and invite feedback from members. Oronsay (talk) 02:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Nika Zupanc
I've published a stub about the Slovenian designer Nika Zupanc. (As this one was initiated during WIR-271, I've left the tag.) Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Susan Kozma-Orlay (née Zsuzsa Kozma)
I've published a stub about the Hungarian–Australian designer Susan Kozma-Orlay (Q121368428). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not an orphan now Victuallers (talk) 09:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Ok to remove the "Orphan" tag then, yes? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

September 2023 at Women In Red
--Victuallers (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

closing the loop on Wikimania 2023
Wikimania 2023 featured a poster and presentation by Women in Red. We had a a nice spike in views around the 17th of August. If you want to see the WiR presentation, it starts at 2:22 here. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for keeping us updated, . Looks as if it was quite a success.--Ipigott (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My pleasure . Have you noticed any editors adding the userbox to their pages? I know you often (always?) offer a greeting to new members. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * : None around the Wikimania dates, as far as I can see. But I can only identify those who use the WiR template or who register on WikiProject Women in Red/New members. Strangely, there have been fewer new members in August than in previous months. But I see we have two new registrations today.--Ipigott (talk) 18:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely to see the metrics, . --Rosiestep (talk) 18:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Olga Onuch
I read in a BBC article that the first professor of Ukrainian politics in an English-speaking university has been appointed, so I created an article (Olga Onuch). She strikes me as potentially a good DYK candidate, if anyone is interested in helping expand the article a bit. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:19, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in the House of Lords (only 10 articles to go!)
I recently coincidentally discovered User:BrownHairedGirl/Women in House of Lords. Of that list of notable women, only 10 are redlinks. A few of these are Scottish peerages, so those fit into the upcoming Celtic nations edit-a-thon! Curbon7 (talk) 00:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * They are I think all hereditaries, and some never "took their seat". These days Afd tends not to be kind to such, unless they have other claims to notability. A great pity Bhg is no longer here to advise! Johnbod (talk) 01:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

What to do for eight years - "every woman in the ODNB"?
Just before we started Women in Red, I was involved in completing a list of every British women who was named in the 100 year old Dictionary of National Biography, which listed every notable woman "in the day". Did it!

The successor to the DNB is the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Its one of the few guarentees of Wikipedia notability.... and WiR have a redlist for it but its got large errors (see the talk page) and thousands of entries.

I found a red list of over 2,000 names of women who are notable and are not in Wikipedia that was created by (Thank you). Its taken me 8 years but its done! If I ignore a few women who are in the ODNB but who have very very little info about them, then I get my own checklist.... and as of yesterday its complete.

This means that every woman with a start sized biog, who was in the ODNB when Women in Red was formed, now has an article. I'm sure I may have missed one or two but I can't find them... so I declare it complete. Did it! Victuallers (talk) 09:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well done! Of the few redlinks, 2018 Q18936201 Mary Ashwell Samuel Pepys servant might be doable since his diaries have many references to her. She was not exactly a servant, being in theory a companion for Mrs Pepys, which turned out very badly, and referred to by her surname. Here's a long and not entirely reliable account. Oh, blocked site - remove the "SPACE". Johnbod (talk) 15:01, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Congratulations ! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Victuallers Congratulations on this splendid achievement! (I've just helped out by updating the redirect at Mary Greenup, as the target article was moved last month so the redirect was left pointing to a dab page as someone hadn't checked up on all the "what links here" links). Pam  D  15:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've got a gadget or a script which colours links to show up not only those to dab pages but those which are redirects and a few other categories. The redirects here are an interesting lot.
 * Some redirects are alternative names for a woman who has her own article, like Louisa Sophia Goldsmid whose article is at Louisa Goldsmid. These don't need any categories etc as there is a full article about the woman.
 * But other redirects are for women who are written about as one of a couple: either two women as in Agnes Smith Lewis (Agnes and Margaret Smith) or a mixed couple as in Edith Thompson (Edith Thompson and Frederick Bywaters), or a redirect to an article on another person or topic (Ena May Neill to Summerhill School, Catherine Collignon to her father, Myra Hindley to the Moors murders). Any of those in this group need to have a Defaultsort and appropriate categories: birth and death years where known, and their occupation, nationality, and something including "woman". Most of them do, but a handful don't - I noticed Ena May Neill doesn't. (The "Rcat" template for "R to a joint biography" helpfully reminds editors to give a defaultsort and categories, so those ones are more likely to have them).
 * I mustn't allow myself to get distracted further onto checking through those redirects and fixing any missing categories, though it's tempting: we moved house in the last couple of weeks and I really need to do dull things like working out what goes where in the kitchen cupboards and reducing the number of boxes we are surrounded by, and notifying umpteen people of our change of address, etc etc. But I'm mentioning it here as a note of a job someone might like to pick up and run with. (It's worth checking with "What links here" that there isn't another redirect, from a different version of the name, which already has categories: there doesn't seem to be a way to identify one such redirect as a sort of boss redirect which gets the categories, while others don't: clearly a person only needs to appear once in any category.)
 * I can't remember, now, how I got the coloured links, or I would suggest it as a tip-of-the-month: with it installed, links to redirects are green, links to articles proposed for deletion are pink, as well as links to dab pages being highlighted in yellow. It makes it easier to see what's going on ... but I don't seem to have a note about it in either of my sandboxes. Someone else might like to help our fellow WiR editors by telling them about it!  Pam  D  16:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I found it via my vector.js page. The script and instructions are available via User:Anomie/linkclassifier. I find it really useful, particularly for sorting out links to DAB pages. Oronsay (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, what an achievement! Congratulations! -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is amazing! Congratulations for reaching this goal and thanks for all the effort! :D --Grnrchst (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow! Incredible work!! I'm glad you shared this milestone, what an achievement. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, ! I know you've been working on this for some time. And now, wow, it's done! --Rosiestep (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * An amazing achievement, . I know that when you set your mind on undertaking a task like this, you never stop until the job is done. Not only have you greatly improved Wikipedia but you have provided countless users with easy access to biographies of the most notable British women. I think an achievement like this deserves to be mentioned in The Signpost. Maybe you could put together a publishable summary.--Ipigott (talk) 08:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all. Its good to know that you guys notice. If anyone fancys gaving a go at the signpost then I'm assist. Very prouad of what we have achieved. Victuallers (talk) 07:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My goodness what an amazing achievement! 'Well done!' just doesn't cover it. This is so inspiring. Thank you! Balance person (talk) 07:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Bravo ! Fabulous effort. SusunW (talk) 15:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Portrait photos for biographies
Can anyone please suggest where to find portrait photos that can be used for biographies?

A search of Wikimedia Commons was fruitless and I am unsure how to add images found on the internet (eg the Fair Use copyright implications). A current example is for Charlotte Johnson Wahl. Thank you, 02:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC) MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * For people who were well-known before 1928, Google Books or Internet Archive are often good sources. For more modern people, the first place to check is Flickr. Set license to "Commercial use & mods allowed". If you find a pic there, it can usually be uploaded to Commons with the "Share images from Flickr" button. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be one in this case. Nick Number (talk) 02:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , thank you for the suggestions. Unfortunately I can't find the "Share images from Flickr" button, where is that located please? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Toward the bottom of the screen in the Upload Wizard. Nick Number (talk) 03:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Whoops, silly me! I was looking on the Flickr website instead. Thank you, MrsSnoozyTurtle 03:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You may find this article on images in Military History articles useful for some types of bios. Suriname0 (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello again. Are there any other websites to try for these photos please? Unfortunately, Flickr hasn't had any hits for my searches so far. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * , if, like Charlotte Johnson Wahl, the subject is no longer living, you can try to find a fair use image. Hopefully someone here has experience of doing this. The policy is at Non-free content criteria and there is a helpdesk, Media copyright questions. An archived query about a photograph of Archibald Joyce in the Birmingham Post, 1963 has some detailed advice on choosing a fair use image. TSventon (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . By coincidence, I saw someone mention the Free Image Search Tool today. It didn't find much outside of Flickr, but does seem to be a handy way to search. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Carol Wilson
If anyone is looking for a project, this BLP article has been tagged for multiple issues since 2014.4meter4 (talk) 02:03, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Should the British mezzo-soprano Carole Wilson who is mentioned in the article be redlinked? She seems like someone who would merit consideration in the context of a number of WikiProjects (WIR, Music, Opera, Classical music, etc.). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * agree, have done so. Outside my sphere of competence to create a page for her, though. Dsp13 (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

FAs now on our Showcase page
For some time now I've been adding GAs about women and their works to our Showcase page. While I know WikiProject Women in Green is more concerned about high quality ratings than we are, I thought it would be interesting to include a list of FAs and FLs. Two immediate observations: 1) favourites for FAs are singers and their songs, and actresses (11 out of 19 in 2023 and 30 out of 54 in 2022); and 2) the number of FAs about women is significantly lower this year than in 2022. Over the next few days, I'll try to add lists for earlier years. It might also be interesting to specify which articles started under Women is Red.--Ipigott (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I do wonder if it might be worth making a shared showcase for us, Women in Green and Wikiproject Women. It'd simplify things, share the efforts, and we could mark things specific to us or WIG. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.5% of all FPs. 13:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion,, but I think each project has different priorities. WP Women is Red is interested mainly in the creation of articles about women and their works. Our Recognized content page lists among other things FAs and GAs for which the talk page specifically carries a WiR template. But as we are more generally interested in the coverage of women as compared to men, I thought it would be interesting to compile lists of GAs and FAs for women and their works on a month by month basis, irrespective of specific wikiproject tags. On WikiProject Women, there is a page on Featured Articles arranged in alphabetical order as biographies and as other pertinent articles. On WikiProject Women in Green, the Current Feature Content page lists in alphabetical order all featured articles, featured lists, and good articles. As you are something of an expert in connection with featured content on Signpost and coordination of featured pictures, you may be able to suggest a better way of organizing these resources, perhaps also presenting the results for men's biographies and their works for comparison. Failing this, the three wikiprojects you mention could perhaps share a summary of how FAs and GAs are covered, along the lines I have just presented. For starters, I could also mention WiG's involvement in pertinent FAs and would be happy to add any other relevant details.--Ipigott (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As a footnote, I've added WiR and WiG to the FAs where appropriate. If there are others which should be included, contributors might like to add banners to the relative talk pages and let me know here. Up to now, I've only got back to 2019 but hope to continue with earlier years.--Ipigott (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, if we're including non-WiR FAs on our showcase anyway, and have to mark which ones started under WiR, then the Showcase is kind of combined already Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.5% of all FPs. 17:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think Women in Red needs to do both: keep monitoring "recognized content" as well as overall progress on featured content about women. But however we go about it, I'm pleased to see that this discussion has led to a tremendous new interest in our Showcase page over the past three days, reaching over 150 page views on the 17th (up from an average of about 10 a day). It looks as if people really are curious to see what kind of articles are being promoted. Maybe it would also be useful to add the same kind of brief explanations to our GAs. If time permits, I could have a go with those promoted in August.--Ipigott (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For those interested, I've now added short explanations to the GAs for 2023. I'll soon be adding WiR and WiG where applicable.--Ipigott (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Have checked through those up to now for 2023. It looks as if at least 34 of them have benefited from support from WiR or WiG.--Ipigott (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

August record month for FAs and GAs
While we're still looking at statistics, for August our Showcase page now lists 11 new FAs about women or their works and 62 new GAs, both far in excess of the usual monthly averages. While WP:Women in Green has as usual been active in this regard, the increase in the number of GAs seems to have benefited from interest in popular singers and their songs (of which there were 23).--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Are there enough sources for an article for Katriona O'Sullivan?
Hi all

I recently listened to a discussion with the academic Katriona O'Sullivan and wanted to check if you think there are enough sources for an article (I don't understand the rules for notability for academics well), but I assume it is, this is what I can find (much of it is paywalled):


 * https://www.timeshighereducation.com/people/interview-katriona-osullivan
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/podcasts/the-womens-podcast/katriona-osullivan-i-remember-cleaning-the-toilets-going-is-this-my-destiny/
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/review/2023/05/27/poor-by-katriona-osullivan-what-will-you-do-to-change-society-for-people-like-this/
 * https://www.rte.ie/radio/podcasts/22253204-dr-katriona-osullivans-memoir-poor/
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/i-sat-drinking-in-the-knowledge-and-for-the-first-time-in-my-life-i-felt-alive-1.4674595
 * https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-65682390
 * https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/17/raised-by-addicts-abused-neglected-broke-how-katriona-osullivan-escaped-her-fate
 * https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001mblk
 * https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/katriona-osullivans-rage-at-a-society-which-turns-its-back-on-children-like-her-comes-from-agonising-experience/a916859996.html
 * https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-homeless-and-expecting-at-15-to-a-lecturer-at-trinity-college/35567839.html
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/05/20/our-house-was-wild-and-unpredictable-i-was-starved-and-cold-and-unloved/
 * https://www.independent.ie/life/family/family-features/my-dad-is-my-hero-for-overcoming-heroin-addiction-trinity-lecturer-who-overcame-homelessness/35578430.html

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 09:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * absolutely enough sources to meet GNG, so you don't need to worry about prof or author. Just looking at the ones I can access and omitting the interviews which can be used to flesh out details but not for weighing notability you have sufficient independent sources over time (2017-2023). I did a search, by date and found articles going back to 2007, although I cannot access most of the articles in the Irish Independent or Irish Times to see whether they are independent or an interview. In the lede, don't limit her as an academic, all of the articles make it clear she is an advocate for better access to high education. SusunW (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Julia Masli, clown
I just created a draft for Julia Masli, a clown who has gotten a lot of attention from her performances at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. Thriley (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * There was already at least one red link for her, and now another as I've added the 2023 winners to Malcolm_Hardee. I've also adde re her training. There are probably lots of reviews out there. Please remember to turn your bare URL references into properly formatted ones. Pam  D  08:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The image on that is up for deletion and was uploaded by someone called juliamasli. Did you get in touch with her? Is this her? If yes to both, you should probably explain to her that she needs to get a formal permission from the photographer, either on the photographer's web site or via https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_VRT_release_generator. --GRuban (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I sent her an email through her website asking for her or someone else to upload a photo. I’m not sure she understood the procedure initially, but I think it will be figured out. Thriley (talk) 04:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Accessing 2 of Max Klein's research papers
I was looking here: WikiProject Women in Red/Research. Clicked the links for these two but couldn't get to the articles. Help? Thanks. Rosiestep (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rosiestep, perhaps they have been moved or are no longer maintained. I found archived versions


 * https://web.archive.org/web/20210301130237/http://wigi.wmflabs.org/
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20191229063055/http://whgi.wmflabs.org/monitoring-gender-gap.pdf
 * TSventon (talk) 14:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And thank you,, for the improvements you've been making to our Research page.--Ipigott (talk) 05:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Some more artists
Here are a few more notable artists in red:


 * Lisa Krugell (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3AKRUGELL%20Lisa%20Elisabeth%E2%86%B9KRUGELL%20Lisa%20Elisabeth&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)


 * Jacqueline Rau (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3ARAU%20Jacqueline%E2%86%B9RAU%20Jacqueline&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)


 * Nelly Stulz (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3ASTULZ%20Nelly%E2%86%B9STULZ%20Nelly&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)

Their notability is given (apart from their obvious talent) by their presence in the collection of at least one major museum.

Edelseider (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


 * These are great. See: Lisa Krugell and Jacqueline Rau on French wikipedia. Also, all three on wikidata: Q46551568; Q105826795; and Q106642291 (as well as a lovely portrait of Nelly Stultz by Hans Mathis) for possible source material. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, Nelly Stulz was apparently a very good-looking woman, which doesn't hurt - see also this painting by her colleague Lika Marowska (hey, another red link!) --Edelseider (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Angelika Marowska Q107769690.-- Cl3phact0 (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've just updated Nelly Stulz's Wikidata record with some very useful references. Her father was an artist too, Gustav Adolf Stulz (aka Gustave Adolphe Stulz), he lived and worked in this beautiful house (where Nelly probably grew up): https://www.archi-wiki.org/Adresse:3_rue_Jean_Jacques_Rousseau_(Strasbourg). It's all very interesting. --Edelseider (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Photograph of Berit Lindholm
The photograph of Berit Lindholm, File:Lindholm_Portrait2.jpg, which appeared on the main page DYK section on 30 September has been nominated for deletion on Commons here. Does anyone here know about the copyright rules for Swedish photos, which are summarised here? According to its description, the photo was taken in the 1960s. TSventon (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * At that stage she was having a very international career (ie little in Sweden). So there's no real reason to assume it was taken or published in Sweden or by a Swede. The trouble is, as the nom says, we've no idea where it came from. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The photo was probably published by Lindholm as she signed multiple copies, see here and here. Lindholm was based at Royal Swedish Opera until 1972 and always lived in Sweden. TSventon (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My reading of the Swedish copyright says typical press photographs don't meet the threshold of artistic work, but posed photographs do. To be eligible for WP they must be free of restriction in both Sweden and the US, so must meet one of these two criteria, which a portrait from the 1960s cannot meet. I tried to narrow the date by looking at Swedish newspaper archives but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to see what is on the page. So, the other option is what was published in the US. I find two images 1) this one was clearly not a derivative work of someplace else, is anonymous, has no copyright mark or wording on either the masthead or publishing notice and is not registered in the 1970 periodical catalog under The San Francisco Examiner or the Hearst Corporation (see p 470), which only appears to have copyrighted its magazine holdings. It could be uploaded using and 2) this one is clearly a publicity photograph because it was first published in 1970 and republished in 1972. Although it is anonymous, to my mind, it could have been taken in Sweden and been protected, so to rule that out one would have to figure out how to see the images in the Swedish archive. If it does not appear there, it could be uploaded with the same US license as #1 because the first publishing (1970) in the Napa Register shows no copyright mark or wording on the masthead or publishing notice and is not listed in the 1970 periodicals catalog. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for the advice, I will copy this conversation to the Berit Lindholm talk page and respond there to try and keep discussion in one place. TSventon (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability of Anita Bobasso
An editor left a comment on my talkpage regarding a new woman's biography, now at AfD, which might be of interest to folks here: "Anita Bobasso ... It is a biography of a singer of typical Argentine "tango" songs, very famous in the last century and that can be verified in the dozens of links in the bio, despite the fact that at that time there was no press like there is now... without Yet she had it. 25 years after she died, press is still talking about her as you can see in this article from 2020 "E de amargar" where noted that the public asked her to repeat the song several times! https://www.historiadealagoas.com.br/antonio-hugo-da-silva-o-boemio-maestro-antonio-paurilio.html Please help ..." --Rosiestep (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * thank you Rosiestep, please help me to avoid deletion of that famous tango singer and protect this biography. I will truly appreciate it. thank you! Alfredomaraw (talk) 17:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

WiR in the 2023 LSP fanzine
, the Executive Director of LSP is putting together a 2023 wiki feminist fanzine and is seeking input from wikiwomen's groups, including WiR. I sought clarification and this was provided: "H... we want content for our fanzine . This year we want to represent all groups involved in bridging the gender gap. : it can be a 3000 sign article detailing the main events of the 2023 year with a high quality drawing or photograph. Content is preferably punchy and feminist. We also need basic information and a "quote" from someone of the group for our poster page which will be a world map of the wikimedia movement representinmg groups of women* + LGBTIQ groups in the world : women summit / women in red also for our poster page : group photo or slide photo and basic details of the group a bit like here. Deadline 30 September."

As I'll be providing the info for WikiWomenSummit x Wikimania 2023, it would be great if someone else can do it for WiR. What it would entail is basic info about WiR, plus maybe snipets of quotes from Happy 8th Anniversary Women in Red, plus maybe putting together all of the 2023 WiR logos used thus far.

As we are well-aware, historically, women's organizations were not well-documented. Glad to see that there is an opportunity to shine a light on us in our own words. Thanks in advance. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:29, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * In that case,, for a start there's lots of info and links in connection with our eighth anniversary on WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/274. When I have time I'll look at your Fanzine page and see what more we can provide.--Ipigott (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've finally found the Fanzine page on the FR Wiki. It seems to me to be aimed first and foremost at French-language contributors.--Ipigott (talk) 05:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott, you're definitely right that the fanzine will be aimed at French contributors. I understand from Rosie they are keen to include information about groups around the world. There is a discussion here where they list a lot of women's groups they are keen to feature, including WiR, Art+Feminism, WikiDonne etc. I'm going to send though some info about the WikiWomen's usergroup. :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * That sounds very constructive. Maybe you could provide a link to what you provide here.--Ipigott (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps would also like to add something on the Women in Religion User Group?--Ipigott (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with doing a write-up about Women in Religion. We've focused on French women in religion, most notably (for me, anyway), the Martyrs of Compiègne, the group of 16 sisters who were murdered during the Reign of Terror and who are very close to sainthood. It might be fun to feature them, if that's the kind of thing the fanzine is looking for. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Terri Libenson
I submitted this draft but it was rejected. I would be happy to have help with it. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done Victuallers (talk) 17:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Rita Payés (new article)
I've promoted Rita Payés. Please take a minute to review. Also, I believe that her mother, Elisabeth Roma (Q113500408), is a good WIR candidate. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've created the surname page at Payés - there are a couple of others - and some incoming redirects. Pam  D  09:56, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ...And created the new category Category:Catalonia College of Music alumni too! Pam  D  10:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Joyce Sullivan (mezzo-soprano)
Hi all. I knocked off a quick stub on this singer because I noticed a page linking to the wrong person. The German language wiki page on this singer states she died on May 14, 2017 but does not cite where it got that information. I am having trouble locating a source to verify that and have left the English wiki page as a BLP. If anyone is willing to help locate a source like an obit I would appreciate it. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 12:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The date of death probably comes from the IMDB, but that isn't a reliable source. TSventon (talk) 12:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Her Deutsche Nationalbibliothek ID says 1929-2017, also sourced to IMDB. TSventon (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Deborah (Debby) McClatchy (Folk Singer / Musician)
I am seeking assistance to help me create an article about Deborah (Debby) McClatchy. She is an accomplished folksinger and musician that has performed in hundreds of music festivals in the United States and in at least four or five, if not more, countries. She is now officially retired but still active in local events and in community activities. I am a good friend of hers and wish to see that she receives the attention she deserves with an article in/on Wikipedia. I have access to a great deal of information but I do not have the requisite background nor the time to master the seemingly complex editing processes to do so. Is there anyone that can step up to the plate and help facilitate this? Ynnurb (talk) 16:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. As a starting point, I've created a Wikidata entry with her Authority control IDs and birth information from an archived copy of her website. If you can provide reliable sources (either online or in print) for her biographical information, particularly in regard to the notability criteria, that would be the greatest help to someone creating an article. Also, if you have a photo which you own the rights to, you could upload it to Commons. Nick Number (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no understanding of an "Authority Control Number". That said I can provide a number of links and more text documents to support her background. For one thing, Debby was not born in San Francisco in 1945. She was actually born in Berkeley, California a "San Francisco Bay Area" city. I have a crude photocopy of her official birth certificate.
 * Debby has written a personal summary of her life but it lacks sufficient references to many of the events described.Can you explain how I should communicate or upload the hyperlinks and text documents? Ynnurb (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. I wouldn't upload her birth certificate due to privacy concerns. Under WP:ABOUTSELF, if she has stated her correct birth year and place in an interview or on an official website or social media account, that should be a sufficient source.
 * It might be simplest to make a subpage in your userspace (e.g. User:Ynnurb/Debby_McClatchy) with the information and links you have. Note that this will be visible to the world, so don't post anything sensitive. Nick Number (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Kelly McKernan, named one of the 100 most influential people in AI by Time
I just created an article for American artist Kelly McKernan who was recently named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential figures in AI. Thriley (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tinatin Berdzenishvili
A wiki friend has reached out to me requesting assistance with this (draft) article about the ED of the Georgian (country) national broadcaster. As I don't have expertise with BLPs, hoping others can assist. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Amy Louisa Rye
I couldn't find a year of death for Amy Louisa Rye (b. 1851), an English social reformer and writer who emigrated to Canada. Perhaps someone else has access to a source that contains that info? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rosiestep, have you tried Ancestry.com, via the Wikipedia Library? This was my first attempt, there is a bug where the screen freezes as you select Ancestry.com and you have to refresh it. They have a record for Amy Louisa Haslam, born 1851, Brompton, Middlesex and died 24 Aug 1918, Kent as Amy Louisa Okey. TSventon (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, that was very helpful. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * She was apparently buried two days before her death, which shows how primary sources should be used with caution. TSventon (talk) 08:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I did some digging and found that Amy did remarry and her second husband (per per Familysearch.org) was Thomas Okay. With the year of death that you shared (1918), Newspapers.com turned up two obits for Amy with the 24 Aug 1918 date, but place of death being Thornbrook, Ewhurst, Surrey (not Kent). I incorporated the info from the newspaper articles in the subject's biography and used those references (rather than Ancestry.com). Didn't find anything about interment but I don't think that needs further research. Thanks again for your help! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , the interment was just evidence that primary records can have errors. Can you add clippings from Newspapers.com? I admit I haven't done that myself. TSventon (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , Good reminder. I commonly clip the obits I use but forgot to do so this time; now done. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth J. Smith
Would appreciate any hints on when Elizabeth J. Smith (b. 1842) died. She was a Canadian-born American social reformer and newspaper editor/publisher involved in the temperance movement. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Her gravestone says she died on 6 July 1900; maybe the 1905 "Mrs. Ransom L. Smith" in Connecticut is someone else? (So many Smiths....) Penny Richards (talk) 23:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Penny. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Sarah Bird Northrup Ridge and Sarah Bird Northrup Ridge House
This is a fascinating subject if anyone is interested in American history. See this Encyclopedia of Arkansas writeup. Came across her working on Draft:Arkansas Female Academy whose matriarch missionary and educator educator Sophia Sawyer (1792–1854) is also fascinating. Unrelated but also interesting is Huntsville Female Academy in Huntsville, Alabama. FloridaArmy (talk) 01:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Nancy Nash (actress)
I would be happy to have help with this draft, newspaper coverage particularly. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems promising from a quick news archive search. I should be able to help out. Silver  seren C 01:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Every British woman, eight years, what next?
So I'm doing a woman article a day, I'm up to ~260 this year, and I told you (see above) I think I have done every woman in the ODNB from when we started this project, so who to do next? I've started on Australian women in the ADB from when WIR started. The list I'm using is this one... see you in another 8 years? Victuallers (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like a good list to work on. I see that almost half of them are already blue links. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to cover them all.--Ipigott (talk) 17:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Victuallers: Thank you for joining me in writing about Aussie women! Please, however, consider using the WIR Wikidata Redlist for the ADB. I keep an eye on new Aussie articles almost daily and try to ensure that common names (as required by Wikipedia) match the full names used in the ADB, so this list should be accurate. Also, as you would know, the Wikidata items often include links to other informative databases that help with article creation. Oronsay (talk) 20:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have thought about that, but the advantage to me of using an old search query is that its not a moving target as the ADB will continue to add new names. I feel sure that my additions will hit both lists as the lisst I am using should be a subset of the ADB list. It looks to me asif either list is now doable. I did two more today. Victuallers (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Interesting research report
I've just come across "Wiki-based Communities of Interest: Demographics and Outliers", a research report which documents poor recognition of STEM awards won by women as a result of insufficient information in Wikidata and Wikipedia. More details on our Research page.--Ipigott (talk) 06:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Sonya Friedman, host of CNN show in the 80s/90s
I recently created a draft for Sonya Friedman. She was the host of a program on CNN in its early days. She may be most well known for an interview she had with an obviously drunk/high James Brown that was a popular video in the early days of YouTube. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Digitized women’s magazines
Hey all, I’ve just seen this rather extraordinary directory to centuries’ worth of digitized women’s magazines from a variety of countries! Wanted to flag it for all who might find it useful, and also ask whether anyone has an idea for the best place to save it? I just added it to external links on WikiProject Women in Red/Resources—do we suppose that’s the best place for it? Innisfree987 (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Great find, . It will no doubt prove particularly useful for those of us interested in women involved in fashion. I found the international lists particularly interesting. I see some of the foreign magazines have articles in their own languages but it looks as if many of them also deserve articles in English (see Category:Fashion magazines and subcats). I'm not too sure how easy it is carry out searches on them. I'll start experimenting with the Danish Chik and perhaps a few of the German-language ones. The directory should prove particularly useful the next time we focus on fashion. The last time we did so was in October 2019. Looks like we could cover the topic again soon. Maybe sometime we could also focus on women's magazines.--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Tatiana Wedenison (new stub)
I've published a brief article about Tatiana Wedenison. Please review and expand where possible. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Soo Bae
Just discovered this unreferenced BLP on a cellist. If anyone is looking for a project it would be useful to source this to something other than the subject's website.4meter4 (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Submitted article for Diane Muldrow
I created and submitted an article for children's author Draft:Diane Muldrow. I couldn't find information on her early life before college and other than her instagram, there's not a lot of information about her personal life. This is actually my first page I've ever submitted so pretty exciting. Many of the sources are her own website or from her publisher, but I tried to keep any info I took from there pretty basic. Daxsymbiote (talk) 20:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There are probably sufficient reviews of Everything I Need to Know I Learned from a Little Golden Book on that article, to evidence WP:NAUTHOR 3 ("such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews,") on Draft:Diane Muldrow. iirc, there is a template, or if not there is a style, for listing a plurality of reviews for a book, on an author page ... sadly I don't know what the style / template is. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * To establish notability, you need to draw on at least three informative independent sources, for example from recognized newspapers, journals or in connection with awards, etc. As explained above, critical reviews of her works could also be included. Unfortunately most of the sources you have used up to now are closely related to Muldrow herself. You can find further guidance in our essays. If you think you can develop the biography along these lines, let me know when you think it's ready and I'll try to help you along. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's something for a start. There's also quite a bit of background here. I think these could be useful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Now promoted as Diane Muldrow. Good work; thank you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Gail_Renard
I wonder if anyone can assist in proving the notability of Gail Renard? She's been a TV writer since the 1970s, won a BAFTA, has interesting connections & is a dedicated advocate for writing at UK national level. I got some great (slightly older) references from Megalibrarygirl, but still it doesn't seem to be enough, OR I am making some awful rookie error... HGoody (talk) 10:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there, . I think you might find it useful to look at the guidance in some of our essays, perhaps starting with the summary in our Ten Simple Rules. It is important to find at least three reliable independent sources containing coverage in support of the information you include in the biography. From the point of view of reviewers, it is preferable to start with a fairly short article based on these sources rather than introducing other information based on sources where the name of the subject is just mentioned along with others or on primary sources directly associated with the subject. If you think you can improve your article along these lines, you can let me know when you think it is ready for inclusion and I'll try to help you along. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 16:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Good to see you're now a member of Women in Red. Looking forward to helping you along.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help and encouragement. I will re-jig the article to be shorter as you suggest. I wonder if you could tell me if any of these sources are likely to be successful in supporting Gail Renard's notability, if I used them in a shorter piece?
 * https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-montreal-star/130858156/
 * https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2001/1203/395434-bafta/
 * https://writersguild.org.uk/wggb-sends-solidarity-from-brussels/ HGoody (talk) 06:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to see you are progressing along the lines I recommended. It's not too easy to come to grips the Wikipedia requirements for biographies of living people and the first article is always the most difficult to bring up to standard. Although it's from 1977, the first item provides some basic background. The second is useful in connection with the BAFTA award. And the third, as it's so recent, provides information on her current activities. The Lennon incident is covered quite well in this Guardian article and gives her age at the time. Drawing on these four, you could put together quite an informative article which is likely to meet basic notability requirements. Please let me know when you think it is ready. (P.S. You might like to include the WiR template  on your user page which would not only show others your interest in the project but would prevent your user name being displayed in red in discussions like this.) --Ipigott (talk) 06:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I have chopped out a lot of detail and focused on the lobbying aspect, and also left in the Lennon & BAFTA stuff. If you get a chance to take a look I would really like to know what you think HGoody (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll look at it tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Now in mainspace. I've provided wikilinks from 14 articles in which she is mentioned (see What links her in LH margin). Maybe on this basis you can include some of her most successful works, TV series, etc. I see that there are references to her date of birth in December 1951 but I am still confused about her nationality, Canadian, British or both. Sorry you had such a difficult time with this but now you know the basic criteria for notability, you should be able to create further biographies more easily.--Ipigott (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help with this, it's been such a useful learning experience.
 * I still feel as though I am blundering about on here, but this is very encouraging! HGoody (talk) 06:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Marina Scalafiotti
Here is another unreferenced BLP on an Italian pianist if someone is looking for a project. It's been tagged since 2008.4meter4 (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

List of Shevchenko National Prize laureates
This list of Ukrainian artists and cultural figures appeared in my notifications and there's quite a few women on the list List of Shevchenko National Prize laureates for anyone looking for inspiration! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Snu Abecassis - publisher
Hello folks, I started an article for Danish-Portuguese publisher Snu Abecassis today, but I wondered if someone who read Portuguese (or even Danish ) might be able to add more about her publishing career? She's certainly notable, but I'd love for there to be more focus on her career than her partner and death to be honest. Thanks in advance Lajmmoore (talk) 10:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't find much about her in Danish. If there's something specific you would like me to explore in either Danish or Portuguese, please let me know. In any case, the article seems to be coming along quite well.--Ipigott (talk) 14:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Woman in Sacred Song: A Library of Hymns, Religious Poems and Sacred Music by Woman
I was Google searching the name of a severely minor (as it turned out) nineteenth-century poet a little while ago (Annie Lenthal Smith, if anyone fancies trying to develop an article about her - I just created a category on Commons), and turned up this book on Google Books. Looks like it might be of interest to someone with a bent towards nineteenth-century women poets; I don't know offhand how many of the listed women are notable, or how many have articles. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a great book,, and I've used it as a reference from time-to-time. Thanks for mentioning it now, during our WIR-282 "Women Writers" annual editathon! --Rosiestep (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ... and now, there's this: Woman in Sacred Song. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLP
Mariella Adani has been tagged for sources since 2010 if anyone is looking for a project.4meter4 (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

AFD Joan Gilmore
Articles for deletion/Joan Gilmore

Seriously folks ... " a recipe for a good life but it is not the stuff of notability".

This was Joan Gilmore:

— Maile (talk) 14:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ajonye Paperture
Up for deletion. I can't imagine we have many articles on women lawyers from South Sudan... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the article is almost entirely unsourced. I have added an archived copy to the single reference. TSventon (talk) 10:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sadly I can only see a pdf online, can't find any sources which could be used to make it stick. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

We moved it to Ajonye Perpetua and have hopefully saved it from deletion now! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Yunhee Min - Korean-American artist based in Los Angeles, Awarded 2022 Guggenheim Fellowship
Hello Women in Red!

My draft for the artist Yunhee Min was rejected due to "lack of notability". Yunhee Min is a Korean-American artist based in LA. She was awarded a 2022 Guggenheim Fellowship, is a full-time professor at UC Riverside, and is represented by galleries in New York and Los Angeles. My draft included "significant coverage ... in published, reliable, secondary sources" including the NY Times, the LA Times, Artforum and Art In America.

If anyone would be willing to help get this entry published I would be grateful: Draft:Yunhee Min

Her entry and rejection is included in the list of "New Additions" to "Women in Red": WikiProject Women in Red/Drafts

Thank you so much!

Ashley - ArtStudio4000 (talk) 18:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Now promoted as Yunhee Min. Passes WP:NARTIST by reason of items in museum collections (and possibly passes other criteria - NPROF, GNG). Please format the external links a bit better - bare URLs are not so good. thx. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the article. I made a number of edits to it; please let me know if you have any questions. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Kirsten Sødal
I just came across the bio for Norwegian writer Kirsten Sødal, which claims she died on 22 February 2022. I have been unable to find any reference for this and hope that someone else may be able to do so. Oronsay (talk) 08:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I can't find anything either, which is surprising because she was apparently notable enough that her birthdays etc. were covered in the local newspaper. Her date of death was added to both our article and nowiki by – perhaps they can shed some light? –&#8239;Joe (talk) 08:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Considering they haven't been active since that edit over a year ago, it seems doubtful that they will be responding here. If we can't find any sources for the claim, then it should be removed. Silver  seren C 12:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't found anything either. The Norwegian article has the same DOD but unsourced.--Ipigott (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good idea to list her as dead based on an unsourced edit on nowiki. Aschehoug still lists her as being living and no other site lists her as dead. There are enough hits on her in the National Library of Norway's website that her death would be noted imo on more than a few newsites in Norway. All of the Norwegian directories (gulesider, 1881.no, 180.no) still list her as living and they are pretty quick at updating that info. So I'd say revert the changes to the enwiki article (and the nowiki article) and list her as living until we know otherwise. -Yupik (talk) 09:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your research and comments. I have made the enwiki changes and noted it on her Talk page. Oronsay (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Probability is she did die in early 2022, per https://www.dkg.is/static/files/skjol_landsamband/utgafa_blod_frettabref/euforia_spring_2022_taka2.pdf page 10. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This is her, that is correct OakSounds (talk) 12:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi! I knew her personally, so thats why I made the edit.

OakSounds (talk) 12:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Here are the obituaries, if that qualifies as a source OakSounds (talk) 12:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Her death has now been restored and ref added. Oronsay (talk) 06:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Mary W. Loughborough
I started Draft:Arkansas Ladies' Journal but would be more than happy to merge and redirect if anyone is interested in writing up an entry on this suffragist and newspaper publisher (did she also write and edit it? are copies extant?) I will try to help if I can. Take care. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Bernadette Cahill has done an enlightening writeup about her here. Pretty fascinating. I believe she says hers was the first women's newspaper in the American South. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Cahill has written three books on suffrage and repated issues and is noted Here.

There is more on Cahill at: This Vicksburg Post article. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jessie Baetz
American composer and artist -- a search for specialist music sources would be particularly useful, if anyone has access. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 10:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Siobhan Leachman: Wikimedia Laureate 2023
I've just discovered that Siobhan Leachman from New Zealand, this year's Wikimedia Laureate, is in fact, an active contributor to Women in Red. Quite an achievement!--Ipigott (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[


 * Thanks @Ipigott! It was lovely catching up with Rosiestep and all the other amazing folk who contributed to the wonderful Wiki Women Summit at Wikimania 2023. I was overwhelmed but extremely proud to receive this years Wikimedia Laureate. Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * So well deserved, Siobhan! Congratulations! Glad I could be there in Singapore to watch you receive your award, and support you, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next! --Rosiestep (talk) 07:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Wow - very well deserved Siobhan. We've spent a lot of time together on Twitter (R.I.P) and always pleased to see your posts and reports of your many many contributions. Excellent. Victuallers (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Alanasings (talk) 15:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Congrats and thanks for your contributions to the movement! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well done. Sounds like an a-mazing achievement :-) The Nookster (talk) 14:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Event Discovery
WiR is mentioned here: meta:Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Event Discovery. -- Rosiestep (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Jess Scully
Just spotted this doing some new page patrolling. I've added a bunch of sources, and found plenty more during a search, but I'm struggling to get 500 bytes of prose written. I think it should be possible to get the article above stub level, but it'll involve pulling little bits from lots of different news sources over the past few years, and then getting one or two in depth interviews to fill it out. Can anyone help? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers to for improving the article! Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  09:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And cheers to you,, for your improvements to the article and for posting here! Beccaynr (talk) 20:18, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Harriette Shelton-Dover
I'm writing an article on the 20th century Tulalip activist & chairwoman Harriette Shelton-Dover / hayalc̓aʔ, and while I've found various good written sources, I am struggling to find a suitable free-use image for her. There are multiple good quality photographs of her, but they do not appear public domain. Would appreciate any help! Generalissima (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Harriette Shelton-Dover for ref. As she's deceased, one fair-use image can generally be used if no free image exists, though note you should never add a fair-use image in draft, only once the article is published in mainspace. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Edits to Baroness Shields page
My name is Laura and I work for Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields. The page was recently tagged for COI and advert issues. I posted here regarding my desire to address the substance of the tags with a re-write or heavy trims, to remove the promotional content. Since the page is about a high profile female politician and businessperson, I thought an editor or two from this WikiProject might be willing to join in here. Thanks in advance for your time. Best regards. LauTad89 (talk) 11:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC) Links edited for clarity by Dsp13 (talk) 13:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC).


 * Hello, Laura. I am working on the Spoken Wikipedia audio version of the article. I should have it ready soon. Alanasings (talk) 16:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks!! LauTad89 (talk) 14:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Maude White Katz
This rejected draft seems to be on a notable and interesting individual. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ref 2 will need to be looked at, as its primary. Almost all of the article is built on that primary ref.    scope_creep Talk  22:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Ruby Stemmle
I've just declined a speedy on this article on an American activist, but imo it isn't demonstrating the subject's notability adequately. It is tagged as having been created as part of an Edit-a-thon: Women in Environmental Justice. Can anyone help out? Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ETA. Now at AfD. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Recording improvements on Twitter
The instructions for the meet-up pages say "Add TW after the article if you tweet it on Twitter". Given that Elon Musk is doing a sterling job of running Twitter X into the ground, and encouraging a rise in hate speech, do we still want to encourage publishing our work over there? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Agreed. If WiR doesn't have a presence on Mastodon/the Fediverse yet, https://wikis.world or https://wikimedia.social could be natural homes. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been announcing my new articles on Mastodon since February. A couple months ago I stopped posting them individually on Twitter, and now only do a weekly summary thread there. Penny Richards (talk) 17:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * One of the most enthusiastic contributors to Twitter is . It would be interesting to hear whether he thinks we should continue our support.--Ipigott (talk) 17:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll give my two cents for what it's worth, probably less than two cents these days. I don't think we should shy away from posting in controversial locations. Our entire project is at one of the most controversial locations on the planet. Yes, there is hate speech. Confront it. I have no love for Twitter or whatever it is now, I don't use it myself, but I pretty much don't use any social media. But if WiR has a voice on Twitter then don't give it up, become louder. Do the other sites too, just don't concede ground. -- A Rose Wolf  18:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, if one doesn't have a Twitter account or no longer cares to log in, it is no longer possible to follow tweets; one can only pick them up in a Google search, which only covers the last couple of days. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just adding that running accounts take additional volunteer capacity. I was running the instagram, but have had to stop and now the channel is inactive (which I know doesn't look great). I think it would be great to have a presence on as many platforms as we can, but there are still volunteers behind them, and creating engaging content is a real skill!
 * A second thing to mention is that many platforms' algorithms now prioritise video content, so producing the tradtional "here is an excellent person and there bio" doesn't get so much traffic, and that video content is time intensive to make (it could take me an hour or more to edit an instagram video).
 * Cheers Lajmmoore (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * We havn't stopped using Twitter cos its controversial, but because its broken, losing members and those who are left apologise for their lack of interest - to their reducing number of followers. I log in every few days and I feel bad looking at what used to be friendly and producyive place. The Twitter account still shows signs of life because I created tweets to appear a year in the future. I used to log in every day, change the banner to our woman of the day and tweet at least once every day and catch up on the tweets of our mates. The password for the account is available to one of our trusted members if you fancy a go. Creating a new account on Mastodon or X or Y or Z is easy. Learning to use a new platform (well) is a sizable investment. If I tweeted a couple of articles every day, how many here would ensure they were RT'd? Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Echoing and . Social media is a great way to get the word out and occasionally something goes viral, but it is a learning curve to use properly, and then an account must be maintained. Huge amount of time to do effectively. Fine with me if we let the Twitter account fade away, but would not suggest attempting to pick the next flavor-of-the-month platform. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have noticed a massive drop in engagement on my tweets (not that I had huge engagement to start with, but I'm going from 20-100 likes on a post about a new bio or page to just one or two likes). I don't think there's any reason to keep engaging at the levels we have in the past. Having said that, if someone is happy to log in and tweet that's great; I also don't think there's any reason yet to remove the suggestion from event pages to "Add TW after the article if you tweet it on Twitter". Basically, the phrase used by @WomenArtistUpdates of letting it "fade away" (if that's what happens) feels appropriate to me. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 00:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * As this is a volunteer project no one should feel obligated to keep something going by themselves unless that is their passion to do so. I agree with most of the sentiments spoken here. Some times the old activist in me hates to concede ground but it will allow those editors to invest in more fruitful projects which is truly a win. I do want to say thank you to for putting in so much time and effort. You are truly a gem. -- A Rose  Wolf  15:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thank you @Victuallers and others who’ve made the most of the opportunity Twitter once offered. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wobbly curtsey. Victuallers (talk) 08:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Three Nobel prizes go to women
This year, three Nobel prizes have been awarded to women. Katalin Karikó (together with Drew Weissman) has won the prize for medicine, Narges Mohammadi is the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, and today Claudia Goldin has just won the economics prize. These successes should certainly contribute to the achievements of women and act as an inspiration for highlighting the contributions of women in key fields of interest. All three of their biographies deserve improvement and thereafter perhaps promotion to GA.--Ipigott (talk) 13:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)