Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index

Editing the code for Listeriabot
In the lists by educational institution, I have found the code to be quite different from that used in the other lists I’ve edited. I can glean some of what’s being done, but I wanted your interpretation of the “not in enwiki” parts.

So far, I’ve run across this construction (from the Newnham College, Cambridge list): and this one (from the Cambridge and Cambridge Colleges list): and I wonder about that  line.

Do these look reasonable to you? Are they accomplishing our purposes? Also, since Newnham College is a college of Cambridge, should there be something in the Cambridge Colleges code that excludes Newnham (to prevent duplication on different lists)? I don’t see anything that I recognize as such.

Thanks. NotARabbit (talk) 23:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I found some of that elsewhere. It looks like a slightly clunky way of doing the same thing.


 * This whole thing can be thrown away:




 * and replaced with


 * The label service can be removed -  . Listeria does its own label fetching.


 * As to excluding Newnham, add the following two lines anywhere after the chain of UNION'd clauses. (The two lines say, exclude the item if the person's school or employer is Newnham) The Newnham page was set up for an editathon held there last year or the year before ... you'll only be left with 12 rows in the Cambridge College page if you remove Newnham from it ... I think I'd be inclined to leave it as an oddity, for now.




 * Meanwhile I'm getting lots of error 500 & error 503 from Listeria; not sure if it's it or me. Have fun. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Consolidating and adding lists
I’ve been rounding up various existing redlists and adding them to the index if they weren’t there before. Pages I’ve added include:
 * WikiProject LGBT studies/Missing biographies of nonbinary, trans and intersex people
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Geoscience
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/State encyclopedias of the United States
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Dictionary of Virginia Biography
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Encyclopedia of Arkansas
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Minnesota MNopedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Handbook of Texas
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/North Carolina NCpedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Oregon Encyclopedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/South Carolina Encyclopedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Tennessee Encyclopedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by identifier/CBDB (China Biographical Database)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Andorra
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Caribbean
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Mongolia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Newest items about women writers from some language Wikipedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/French speaking African authors
 * WikiProject Women in Red/United Nations

I also just finished updating WikiProject Women in Red/Feminists with redlinks from Wikipedia:WikiProject:Wiki Loves Women/African feminists.

NotARabbit (talk) 21:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Another batch
The rest of the redlists that I’ve added to the index:
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Black Lunch Table
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/US Black Women in Dictionaries
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Afro-American encyclopaedia
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Afro-American women in journalism
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Black Women in America
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Noted Negro Women
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Who's Who among the Colored Baptists of the United States
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Women of distinction
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Dictionary of Pseudonyms
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by Nationality/Aruba
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Belize
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Laos
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Prisoners
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Technologists
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by identifier/CALIS (China Academic Library and Information System – a Wikidata list currently commented out because it’s empty)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by identifier/SBN (Servizio Bibliotecario Nazionale — a Wikidata list currently commented out because it’s empty)

NotARabbit (talk) 02:27, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Other lists
I was wondering if we could extract other lists from specifically redlists from,  and ? Maybe others that I haven't looked. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , we could do that, or just make links to the pages from appropriate places on the Redlist index. Probably ask the users first (and I see you’ve pinged them). NotARabbit (talk) 23:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC) I also took the liberty of fixing your link.
 * I would also like to have your lists extracted to Women in Red, especially the Dictionary of African Biography one. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you thinking of these: User:The Anome/Names in the Dictionary of African Biography/Redlinked women onlyUser:The Anome/Names in the Dictionary of African Biography? -- The Anome (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Specifically the redlinked women list and any other lists of redlinked women that you have created :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Another woman, and another source
I would have added these directly, but the lists have become so automated, and I don't want to mess up the data. May I draw your attention to:
 * "The Biographical Dictionary of Scottish Women From The Earliest Times to 2004", edited by Elizabeth Ewan, Sue Innes, Sian Reynolds and Rose Pipes

which bills itself as scholarly but accessible. And one woman in particular, Elizabeth (Betsy) Miller (1792 - 1864), "a pioneering woman sea captain". Please could you add these where appropriate. Thank you. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, it’s good to see new sources! But please post this sort of additional source at Wikipedia talk:Women in Red; this page probably isn’t watched by very many people. And the lists are by no means all automated! Anything labeled “CS” on the Redlist Index is crowd-sourced and fully editable. I see there is only a Wikidata list right now for the UK, but anyone can start a new list (in their own user space or in the WiR WikiProject). NotARabbit (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Q numbers
I have noticed on the following two pages that the Listeriabot adds (Qnumbers) to the lists it creates — WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/DNZB and WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/ADB. For example, if you click on the first two entries Hannah Martin or Jane Bannerman they both include Qnumbers but the third one is a normal link. Going on down the list, some have Qnumbers and others don't. In the Australian list for example, Catherine Maria Thornber has a Qnumber included, the article Catherine Thornber exists and as does the redirect Catherine Maria Thornber. I request that this anomaly be recitified, if possible. I am not sufficiently experienced in coding, let alone bots, to want to try to fix it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oronsay (talk • contribs) 21:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I’m not clear on what you’re pointing out. Every woman in every Wikidata list has an item number starting with “Q”, and it is listed in the last column, labeled “item”. On WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/DNZB, I see Hannah Martin as a redlink; likewise Jane Bannerman (second), Annie Selina Chaffey (third), Emily Mary Bulstrode (fourth), etc. I don’t know what you mean by “a normal link”. Could you clarify what you mean?


 * If an article exists at a title that does not match the title at Wikidata, the name will be red, because Wikidata does not “know” about redirects on the English Wikipedia. There is a long-running RFC there to change that, but the best you can do now is to note for yourself that there is an article already, and go on to the next one. If you want, you can fix it over on Wikidata yourself. No code required. :-) NotARabbit (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . Thanks for your reply. I'll try to clarify... In the example of Catherine Maria Thornber, if you click on the redlink at WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/ADB, you will be taken to a page named Creating Catherine Maria Thornber (Q24033828). This is what I mean by the Qnumbers appearing in page titles and makes names remain red on the list because no one will actually create an article called Catherine Maria Thornber (Q24033828). Oronsay (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Aha, I see now., I have no idea if that is done by the bot or is straight from Wikidata. I strongly suspect that it has to do with the fact that there are two Catherine Maria Thornbers; the one whom we have an article on, and her daughter with the same name. Each has a different identifying number (Q number) on Wikidata, so it’s added as a disambiguator to the title. (Obviously, a different article name should be created instead of the one with the item number.) That should only show up once in a while, when there are two people with the exact same name. Have you run across this often? NotARabbit (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * You have discovered the reason, . In the NZ list I mentioned above, Jane Bannerman is a redirect page to her husband and an article already exists on a Hannah Martin. In other words, the bot adds the Wikidata Qnumber when a page already exists on Wikipedia with the same name. Thanks again, for your help. I had been very puzzled about this. The NZ and Aussie Dictionaries are the only two places I've been to and found this. I'm much happier about it now I understand why it occurs.Oronsay (talk) 23:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Adding a few Japanese academics to list
Just noticed the following red-links based on this book source - http://www.rokakuho.co.jp/data/books/6181.html Shyamal (talk) 13:01, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Haruka Yamada
 * Masako Osumi
 * Mariko Yasugi
 * Yoshie Souma
 * Izumi Ohno
 * Chikako Sato
 * Mizuho Ishida - not the currently linked volleyball player
 * Mihoko Takahashi
 * Miwako Mori
 * Takao Kato
 * Hiroko Shirai
 * Maki Kawai
 * Tetsuko Takabe
 * Keiko Nishikawa
 * Sumiko Mochida
 * Tomoko Nakanishi

Haven't seen on a red list; not sure how to add her
Hi there, I hope I'm not being lazy by not searching through more lists (it's possible that I missed even some obviously available information), but I haven't seen Zura Karuhimbi (who recently died) redlinked anywhere, and so I'm starting an article for her (I'll create her page once I get more information about 1994 in there; likely in the next 24 hours): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HereAndSometimesThere/Zura_Karuhimbi. HereAndSometimesThere (talk) 09:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Zura Karuhimbi

Another list
Natural history artists from https://histsciart.com/womeninhistsciart/ to be examined for redlinks:
 * Ada Hill Walker,1876-1923,Invertebrate Zoology,Flickr,BHL
 * Anna Botsford Comstock,1854-1930,Entomology,Flickr,BHL
 * Anna Lutteroth Eimer,1851-1924,"Entomology, Herpetology",Flickr,BHL
 * Anna Maria Hussey,1805-1853,Mycology,Flickr
 * Anne Henslow Barnard,1833-1899,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Anne Pratt,1806-1893,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Arabella Elizabeth Roupell,1817-1914,Botany,Flickr
 * Augusta Innes Baker Withers,1792-1877,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Berthe Hoola van Nooten,1817-1892,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Cecile Pfulb-Kastner,Early 20th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Christine Etiennette Pernette Jurine,1776-1812,"Invertebrate Zoology, Entomology",Flickr,BHL
 * Clarissa Munger Badger,1806?1889,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Cornelia Maria Clapp,1849-1935,Ichthyology,Flickr,BHL
 * Eleanor Anne Ormerod,1828-1901,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Elinor Frances Vallentin,1873-1924,Botany,Flickr
 * Elisa Marie Thornam,19th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Eliza Jane Schulze,1847~1920,Ornithology,Flickr
 * Eliza Turck,1832-1891,Ornithology,Flickr,BHL
 * Elizabeth Blackwell,1707-1758,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Elizabeth Coxen Gould,1804-1841,Ornithology,Flickr,BHL
 * Elizabeth Nodder,~1790~1813,Biodiversity,,BHL
 * Elizabeth Twining,1805-1889,"Botany, Mycology",Flickr
 * Elsie Wilkins Sexton,1868-1959,Invertebrate Zoology,Flickr,BHL
 * Emma Homan Thayer,1842-1908,Botany,Flickr
 * Emma Kissling,~1862~1950,Ichthyology,Flickr
 * Frances Reed,1810-1872,Mycology,Flickr,BHL
 * Genevieve Estelle Jones,1847-1879,Ornithology,Flickr
 * Georgiana Curtis,19th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Georgina Burne Hetley,1832-1898,Botany,Flickr
 * Gertrude Mary Woodward,1861-1938,"Botany, Paleontology",Flickr
 * Harriet Anne Hooker Thisleton-Dyer,1854-1945,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Harriet Scott,1830-1907,"Entomology, Botany, Invertebrate Zoology",Flickr
 * Helen Adelaide Wood,Early 20th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Helen Sharp,19th-20thC.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Helena Scott Forde,1832-1910,"Herpetology, Invertebrate Zoology",Flickr,BHL
 * Henrietta Maria Moriarty,19th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Henriette Antoinette Vincent,1786-1834,Botany,Flickr
 * Hortense L‚ontia Deyrolle Migneaux,1837-1919,Entomology,Flickr,BHL
 * Isabella McHutcheson Sinclair,1840-1890,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Ivy Massee,20th C.,Mycology,
 * Jane Edwards,19th C.,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Jane Webb Loudon,1807-1858,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Janet Harvey Kelman,20th C.,Entomology,Flickr,BHL
 * Jemima Blackburn,1823-1909,Ornithology,Flickr
 * Kate Clifton Osgood Holmes,1858-1925,Anthropology,Flickr,BHL
 * Lena Lowis,1845-1919,Botany,Flickr
 * Louise-Cécile Descamps-Sabouret,Late 19th C.,Botany,Flickr
 * Lucy Way Sistare Say,1801-1886,Invertebrate Zoology,Flickr,BHL
 * Maidi Wiebe Leibhardt,1922-1998,Paleontology,,BHL
 * Margaret Lace Roscoe,1786-1840,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Maria Eleonora Hochecker,1761-1834,Entomology,Flickr
 * Maria Martin,1796-1863,"Botany, Herpetology",Flickr,BHL
 * Maria Sibylla Merian,1647-1717,"Entomology, Botany",Flickr,BHL
 * Marian Ellis Ryan Rowan,1848-1922,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Mary Ann Burnett,? - 1856,Botany,Flickr
 * Mary Ann Mantell,1795-1855,Paleontology,Flickr
 * Mary Edith Durham,1863-1944,Herpetology,Flickr
 * Mary Emily Eaton,1873-1944,"Botany, Mycology",Flickr,BHL
 * Mary Vaux Walcott,1860-1940,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Matilda Smith,1854-1926,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Maud Earl,1864-1943,Mammalogy,Flickr
 * Maud Horman Fisher,19th C.,Entomology,Flickr,BHL
 * Priscilla Susan Bury,1799-1872,"Botany, Paleontology",Flickr,BHL
 * Roberta McIntosh,1843-1869,Invertebrate Zoology,Flickr
 * Ruth Ellen Berkeley,1846-1914,Mycology,Flickr,BHL
 * Sarah Ann Drake,1803-1857,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Sarah Ann Featon,1848-1927,Botany,Flickr,BHL
 * Sarah Hoare,1777?1856,"Invertebrate Zoology, Botany",Flickr,BHL
 * Sarah Stone,1760-1844,Biodiversity,Flickr,BHL
 * Virginia Smith Jones,1826-1906,Ornithology,Flickr,BHL
 * Winifred Marie Louise Austen,1876-1964,Mammalogy,Flickr,BHL
 * Winifred Mary Adelaide Brooke,1893-1975,Entomology,BHL
 * Zoë Dumont,1806-1849,Ornithology,BHL

National Academies of Sciences 2019 major prize winner missing
The National Academies of Sciences announced its highest prize in 2019 will be awarded in April to Agnes Kalibata "for her work to drive Africa's agricultural transformation through modern science and effective policy. Kalibata has helped to life more than a million Rwandans out of poverty and scaled impacts for millions more African farmers." Added redlink at Public Welfare Medal

More detail at NAS announcement, which invites social media shares sure to drive traffic here. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Shortened redlinked name to first and last, here and in Public Welfare Medal, as that seems to be her preferred professional style and there is no risk of ambiguity. Added her redlinked name and citation to her organization, Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa and also redlinked only other WP mention, in International Fertilizer Development Center. I note that AGRA's critique section needs some work. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 06:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

✅ as article went live 2019-02-13. Nice job -- Paulscrawl (talk) 20:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


 * thanks Still needs a picture though... Biochemlife (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Communist women
I have started a Wikidata-based list of missing articles for communist women, see WikiProject Socialism/Redlinks/Communist women. It's currently based only on political party membership, I'm experimenting with slightly broader criteria in SPARQL. I'd like to list it in the Redlist index, but I'm not sure which section should it be listed on. Thanks! --MarioGom (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Ruth Madeley
I have attempted to add the above UK actress to Wikidata here but she doesn't appear to have been added to the redlist in this Project. I have little experience in using Wikidata - so maybe I have not done it correctly? I should add that she does not already have a WP article under another name, and this is confirmed in that her name remains unlinked in her film articles, e.g. hereStorye book (talk) 09:15, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * She did, however, already have a Wikidata entry so I have merged the two. The entry didn't include her nationality so I've added that. She should turn up with the redlist, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Actresses - UK is updated. Oronsay (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Much appreciated. Storye book (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Translating Arabic and Farsi names
Hi everyone!

Over the past few days, I discovered how to use Wikidata and update Wikidata entries. I'm bilingual in Arabic and English, and since Arabic is very close to Farsi, I've been trying to add the Anglicized versions of any Arabic and Farsi redlinks in the lists. I'm working through the writers and translators (there are dozens of them!) and I just finished the physicists (there were just two). I thought this would be the best way for me to start contributing because it will make it easier for others who want to work on creating articles to find English content on them online or offline to refer to.

It's been quite time-consuming, but fun to click the automatically update the list button and find that the Arabic and Farsi names have started to become fewer and fewer.

I'm just going to use this section to track what I've done, I'm focusing on writers and translators because it's related to my work, but I will also try to work on the lists that everyone is working on monthly, to make it easier for everyone else. Thanks, and let's make this happen! ;) RubyALG (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That is a really helpful skill. I often find myself needing to find a native speaker, as either there are none, or there are several different transliterations of a person's name. I don't know which one is right, or even which one is most likely to result in sources. It is often hit and miss, but I continue to write on non-English speaking women. I really appreciate your helping with Arabic and Farsi transliterations. Hopefully, it will result in new articles being written. SusunW (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorting Authority control identifier by international & country
Hi! I wonder if it makes sense to organize that section a bit more, distinguishing between countries. I have a couple of queries for Argentina and I could do other queries for other countries of Latin America, but I'm afraid that we might end up populating the whole section without allowing people to follow a better navigation criteria. Right now there aren't as many authorities control identifiers but I can see that populating easily. Thanks again for all your hard work! Scann (talk) 13:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,, can you please give some examples? Perhaps something like, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by identifier/VIAF/Argentina? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what was my line of thinking at that moment. I'm sorry. I think I was referring to the fact that some authority control databases are from a specific country (for example, the Grierson Dictionary for Scientists in Argentina), so that means that if we don't distinguish by country or region at some point it might get huge without providing a lot of clarity for the user when they want to go to a specific international dictionary in the main page. So instead of having "Authority control identifier (WD)" without any country level specific characterization, have "Authority control identifier" and then say for example "International", and then by region or country. Does it make sense now? --Scann (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding another religious group
Hi all -

Would we be able to add Muslim Women as a subgroup for additional lists? In work I’ve done/seen in the past, they’re placed under ridiculous scrutiny for notability that isn’t seen (by myself and some others) and it’s demoralizing to say the least. Appreciate the consideration. Collegeburnout (talk) 03:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * We already have Middle Eastern and North African Women as well as lists on all the Muslim countries. There is also a short Muslim section on WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Religion. But you are welcome to start a crowd-sourced list on Muslim women along the lines of WikiProject Women in Red/Jewish women. Let me know if you need any help.--Ipigott (talk) 10:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata List for Tuvalu
Hi Everyone, I added a few women from Tuvalu to wikidata and have used them to start to get to know sparql (to see how easy/difficult) it and maybe create a redlist. I think I got the code right, and put it in my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lajmmoore/sandbox/wikidata/tuvalu It doesn't seem to want to create a table - is it because it's in my sandbox? Is there a wikidata redlisting guide you could recommend? I don't have any advanced settings - is that it? All help and advice would be very much appreciated, as I am keen to learn! (Lajmmoore (talk) 09:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC))
 * You were fully there, at least on one of your tables - Listeria found the four qualifying items. But you had columns for e.g. start date, end date, coords, for which there was no supporting information in wikidata. A clone of the standard country redlist - WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Tuvalu - differs from yours mainly 1) in the columns it uses - compare standard redlist of  with your version  ; and 2) in the   part of the select, which looks for country, country of citizenship, country for sport, and country of origin values (per SPARQL property paths). You also had some different settings, such as   (generates blue links for existing pages, and plain text otherwise) rather than   (generates red links based on label and item). I /think/ Listeria only copes withone wikidata list per page, and I think you had maybe a couple of different lists in your sandbox; but meanwhile Listeria is quite happy to generate lists in sandboxes and, indeed, anywhere. hth --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata list the Netherlands
The list of WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Netherlands “only” contains 450 links. That’s because most of the missing Dutch people are listed under Kingdom of the Netherlands in stead of the Netherlands. Can people from Kingdom of the Netherlands be added to the list please? (See for example: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Painters - Netherlands) SportsOlympic (talk) 09:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Done; though note the by country redlists have LIMIT 1000 in their SPARQL code, which means 1,000 or fewer people will be listed. There are 11,118 candidate Dutch people according to Listeria. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Help on bio info
Hello, I'm asking for any advice on when typing up an infobox for a page about where a person was born and lives. For example, if a person was born in Rome, their hometown was Milan and they now live in Florence. When I add them into a category or categories, do I put them in "People from Rome", "People from Milan", "People from Florence" or all of three? I don't know if there's a certain rule or if it pretty much differs between on what other people do when this occurs.

Also regarding this, I am also wondering about sportspeople. For example, a Spaniard who is a triathlete and was a former triple jumper, would I put them in under "Spanish triple jumpers", "Spanish triathletes" or both? I fear of adding too many categories unnecessarily onto one biography page but I think that's normal for making a biography.

SarahTHunter (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding transgender females to the lists
Hi, someone asked me the other day to create the list of "transgender females" for the WP:ES (you can find the list | here) but that made me realize that it might be worth adding Q1052281 to the P21 for all the queries/lists moving forward. I still think that a list about transgender females on itself is useful but maybe for the lists coming onwards we can include them always. Just a suggestion. --Scann (talk) 21:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I think we have erred in predicating our lists on P21=female (Q6581072) only, and neglecting the P21= transgender female (Q1052281) cases; and that we should now (or as soon as we have the energy for it) amend all of our lists. ...pinging some usual suspects for input. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with that of course. Maybe we can craft a line or two of sparql that we can just cut and paste into new and old lists?  I'm not sure how to do an "or" statement in sparql and I worry that using UNION might lead to timeouts.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 15:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you're right, . I'm glad you caught that. I'm not sure how to add these things either, but I support adding them to all lists as it's possible. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree; they should be added. BTW and please note, some of our Wikidata redlists need additional updates (e.g. remove "#" column; add "site links" column; change image size to thumb=40). If you can work that into the updating process, thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, fantastic idea. Hopefully the query work is not to intensive to update our redlink index. Thank you! TJMSmith (talk) 00:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I looked at some examples of query requests on Wikidata. What if we replace   with  Do you think this would work and not slow down the requests significantly? Gamaliel ( talk ) 02:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Recent deaths
Is it possible to create a list with redlinks “Women - recent deaths” (last 30 days). These women are in the news and so getting attention and many sources. Recent deaths page is the most visited page at Wikipedia. I would like to create more of those articles. SportsOlympic (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/Deaths 2020 and you can sort on date of deaths to get the recently deceased. Also WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/Recent deaths which covers the last 30 days. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Awesome! When I have time I will start creating articles :D SportsOlympic (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Possible error with data - Anna Pigeon
Anna Pigeon, who is top of the list on WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Rock climbers & mountaineers already has a page (a re-direct to a joint article about her and her sister). The redlink is to "Anna Pigeon (Q18201677)", which obviously doesn't exist. Is this a problem with the bot? Pi (Talk to me!)  03:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a limitation of the SPARQL code which generates the page. It is not checking for the "Bonnie & Clyde" situation you outline here, where there is a joint article on two people linked, presumably, to a wikidata record for a sibling duo rather than Anna Pigeon's discrete Q18201677 record. The code /could/ be amended to take account of the "part of" relation in Q18201677, or the "has part" relation in Anna and Ellen Pigeon (Q15991763), but there's a risk that such a change might exclude valid redlinks because their part of/has part relations point to articles which do not adequately cover the discrete subject. IIRC a sitelink could be added to Q18201677 which redirects to the joint article, although that's not a thing that's well supported by the wikidata UI, nor does it seem right now a sensible approach (for longwinded reasons which tl:dr). Probably the only means of handling the issue, at least until someone does some work to evaluate how problematic exlusion based on part of / has part is, would be the exclude such records by listing them in the SPARQL per report. That's a poor solution, for obvious reasons. So, yes; problem area. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've spotted a similar problem again. The article for Gladys Jepkosgei-Boss Shollei is still in red on the page WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_nationality/Kenya because the link is to Gladys Jepkosgei-Boss Shollei (Q47490078). I have created an article Gladys Boss Shollei which is the more common version of her name, and I have put a redirect on Gladys Jepkosgei-Boss Shollei. The problem seems to be that the Q code is included in the link. I don't know how to link the Q codes to articles manually. Pi (Talk to me!)  23:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There were two wikidata records, now merged. The redlink will disappear in the next 24 hours. Thanks for spotting the issue; for reasons, more duplicate wikidata items are being created than has been the case in the past, and the error you report arises out of that, err, phenomenon. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * gone. And will go in short time from any other page she's listed on. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This may not be the best place to ask, but you replied very quickly and seem to be knowledgeable about such things...is there a way to manually assign a Q number to an article to link it to a wikidata item?Pi (Talk to me!)  00:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. You don't assign QIds to an article; rather you manually add the article as a sitelink on a wikidata item. So the join is done from the wikidata side of things, rather than the wikipedia side (although there is a useful gadget which allows it all to be done from the wikipedia side - but even then, that's just a user inferface which pokes values into wikidata). For any wikidata item, a sitelink to a language wikipedia article is added in the 'Wikipedia' box, by specifying the language (e.g. EN) and entering the article title. hth, but feel free to ask more. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

ListeriaBot update?
Good morning all! I've been working in the Politician - Country Unknown list to sort people in the correct list (going into Wikidata to put the correct country) and it looks like ListeriaBot hasn't updated the list in a couple months. Is the bot on a certain schedule? I've tried to manually update and it doesn't seem to work. Anybody else running into the same issue? Bkissin (talk) 16:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The underlying problem is now fixed (the report SPARQL has been revised) If you come across any others like this, please bring them here. However Listeria has a distinct problem writing large files, which now seems to be affecting this one. I hope that Listeria will resume updates sometime soon - my experience is, this is an intermittent issue. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's looking like the writing large files problem has now been fixed; and the Politician - Country Unknown page has been updated. It was a general problem, so other pages affected by the same issue should now restat updaing. (I should note, there are 17k items for politicians with no country, but only 5k of them get into this report, so it's still not a very good solution.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

More redlists (possibly)
I've developed a recent predilection for creating lists, some of which might be good to add to the Redlist index here. I'd love for other people to work on them besides me! So far I have the Royal Society's "150 women in 150 words" project, the recipients of the Queen Elisabeth Medal list (not all NZers but mostly), and a list of female professors at New Zealand institutions, and the winners of the NZ Women of Influence awards.

The Women of Influence and Queen Elisabeth medal lists might go under the Awards section. The professors unfortunately won't appear in the Listeria for university teachers this project already has because full professor in New Zealand is a specific title (Q25339110) whereas the existing list uses Q121594. And I'm not sure where the 150 women in 150 words list would best fit.

Any suggestions on whether it is appropriate to add these lists to WiR, and how to do that? Thanks. DrThneed (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thx. I've added all of these in more or less appropriate places. The main how-to, here, is, make it up as you go along, be bold, &c. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. There's bold and then there's trampling all over other people's stuff and one day I'll work out where the line is (plus I was worried about stuffing things up, there are a *lot* of lists!). DrThneed (talk) 20:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The index is WiR's commons. You're always welcome to graze your livestock there; besides that you're well-known to the four or five regular indexers who'll be delighted that someone else is taking an interest :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Basic instructions for adding someone?
I consider myself a fairly experienced Wikipedian. But I find the instructions on how to add a person incomprehensible. Imagine how a newcomer would feel. CapnZapp (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Case in point. I'm noticing "British Ladies Chess Champion Sarah Longson" over at The Queen's Gambit (miniseries). I also note Chess Players have a link called WD. I then find out this is an automatically generated list. So how do I add a female chess player to the list?! Where do you go for a list where your additions are actually welcomed? Don't answer "You can't contribute without learning how to muck about with Wiki-hooey stuff". Tell me where manual additions can be made and are welcomed, for every category! Irritably yours, CapnZapp (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you read WikiProject Women in Red/How to add names to Women in Red lists? --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Differences between lists
How is it possible that in the list WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Netherlands about 20 speed skaters are mentioned, while in the list WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Speed skaters are over >200 Dutch speed skaters? Thanks SportsOlympic (talk) 09:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The SPARQL for the Netherlands list has a LIMIT 1000 element, which does what it says on the tin. The Speed skater list does not have a limit. 12,694 items qualify for the Netherlands list. Listeria will iirc list up to 10k rows (maybe 5k - I forget), but such pages are unwieldy. Probability is that all By Country pages have the same 1000 limit. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Paula Murphy
Paula Murphy, probably of the USA, twice set the (unofficial) women's land speed record in 1964 and 1965, so I've added her so she appears as a red link in that section along with one supporting Reliable Source (and probably a second where I expect she's also mentioned but I can't easily check). I'd like to be sure she gets into women in red, but I find the task already very confusing, and probably further complicated by the fact that 'women in motor sport' itself doesn't exist. Perhaps a bot will add her automatically (if bots are smarter than I expect). If not, could somebody more competent than me please add her manually. Tlhslobus (talk) 19:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Issue with Harriet Baring entry (United Kingdom)
Harriet Baring exists, but the Red Link on the list points to Harriet_Baring_(Q56855519) which obviously doesn't! Not sure if this is the right place to mention it, I guess it's a bug in the bot, or something wrong with the wikidata entry?JeffUK (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * These seem to be different Harriet Barings. The WP Harriet Baring: "She was born in 1805 to George Montagu, 6th Earl of Sandwich" whereas the WD Harriet - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56855519 - has different DoB and DoD, and has as a father Alexander Baring, 1st Baron Ashburton. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ahha, that makes sense, I guess that's why it put the Q number in there, for disambiguation, thanks. JeffUK (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I might have one or two more Harriets for you... https://w.wiki/3oPD ... most of these will be from genealogy uploads, so may not be notable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Article suggestion
Hello - I wanted to see if anyone on here - particularly someone who may be able to read Korean - would be interested in creating an article for Korean basketball player Shin-Ja Park. Park was recently inducted into the FIBA Hall of Fame and is also a founding member of the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame. She was considered the best player in Asia for a decade and went on to be an influential administrator in the sport. I have looked at sourcing but English language sources seem to be in short supply, so I thought I'd ask if anyone here might be willing to start the article - I would be happy to collaborate on it but need help with some of the "meat." Thanks for any help anyone can give. Here are here FIBA HOF profile and Women's HOF profile. Rikster2 (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect blue wls
I have checked some blue wls in the lists. Most of them are incorrect, best. --Egeymi (talk) 11:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes. Listeria, the bot which produces the list, was rewritten in - I forget, March 2020 or 2021 - and the new version does not disambiguate link URLs. So where there's a wikidata item without an EN wiki sitelink for, say, Freda Foo; and there's a wikipedia article on a different Freda Foo, the redlist points its URL at Freda_Foo rather than at Fred_Foo_someDisambigation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Are WD lists still kept up to date?
Looking at the history of several WD lists, they've not been updated since August or September of last year. Does ListeriaBot still run? I did some hunting around but couldn't find much information on how the bot functions; ie, is it totally automated? Manually kicked off? Just trying to understand better. Below are some of the lists I'm seeing this for:


 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Swimmers
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Economists
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Dominica

Thanks! CaptainAngus (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's a long and sad story, but in short, the Listeria bot succeeds in keeping some pages up to date, fails with others. Its author has been alerted to the issue and appears to have chosen to do nothing about it; and, being a volunteer, it seems inappropriate to cajole him further. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Understand, appreciate the context. CaptainAngus (talk) 00:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I've created Template:Listeria fail for the lists that are no longer working, and it will sort them all into Category:Women in Red redlink lists based on Wikidata unable to update. Hopefully this can get us started on cleanup and figuring out a new way to reorganize our lists dependent on Listeria. Gamaliel ( talk ) 17:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Each month, as part of the preparation for new meetup pages, I click to update the related redlists. In most cases, the update is successful, apart from when it's a very big list.--Oronsay (talk) 17:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As noted elsewehere, the SPARQL and column= in WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by education/US - Indiana fetches country labels manually, circumventing one of Listeria's failure modes (which is that it chokes on items as large as many country items are.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * And, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Animators and several others, are based on the redlist's wikidata item ... e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q65183649 ... this approach (with the country fix added) would be my preference for the standard, b/c it would provide an opportunity to put together a seperate & granular list of occupations by redlist, by querying the WD items. (Or other deterimants - country, education institution &c). --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Just tried the country workaround on a list and got a 502 Bad Gateway error.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 20:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Architects works with limit=3000. I've rdfs:lanel'd the place of birth & death, fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll try those workarounds on some other lists.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 19:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Additions (WiR)
I've just added a few names to this WiR list, and have some others to add as well. I'm not entirely certain how or where to add and don't want to make a mess of it! If appropriate, I'll add them here: Franca Stagi, Mona Morales-Schildt, Ingeborg Rams, Maria Cristina Didero, Kim Colin, Gaetanina Calvi, Emanuela Frattini Magnusson, Tatiana Wedenison, Francesca Picchi, Marialaura Rossiello Irvine, Johanna Agerman Ross, Marva Griffin, Anniina Koivu, and Sabine Marcelis. Hope this is of use to the project! Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Triggering Wikipedia spam filter
Hi WIR Crew! I'm working on a set of Listeria tables inspired by your work. These tables will use Wikidata properties to generate lists based on sexual orientation, ethnicity, disability, among other to encourage article creation the same way WIR does. As I move my draft pages over from Wikidata, I'm realizing that some of the references used in statements trigger Wikipedia spam lists. Would anyone know a way around this? Maybe @Tagishsimon @Ipigott @NotARabbit. Happy to explain more if this is unclear. Thanks! Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry,, this is beyond my level of competence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipigott (talk • contribs) 17:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Not changing to blue link due to erroneous page name with Wikidata ID in it
I created a Margherita Gonzaga, Marquise of Ferrara but the listed page here is Margherita Gonzaga (Q3846942) and it's still a redlink and the list is not updating. I've updated the Wikidata correctly I believe. What's the procedure here? —DIYeditor (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Listeria, the utility which creates the redlists, is broken; or else the toolserver on which it runs is broken. The redlist which Margherita Gonzaga (Q3846942) appears on is not getting updated. You have updated the Wikidata correctly. The WD QId in the link is not erroneous; it is in effect a disambiguation since Margherita Gonzaga exists. I've removed by hand the Margherita Gonzaga (Q3846942) row. It's all very crap, but no-one seems to be interested in fixing whatever the main problem is, and so the quality of redlists decreases day by day. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , this is extremely unfortunate. I have some coding experience but no familiarity with the language (SPARQL) or bot (Listeria) that are being used for this, but it is possible I may be able to help. The Listeria bot seems to be actively being updated by the maintainer (within the past several weeks). Who is your point of contact on this? Basically from what I understand there could be a problem with the script or configuration being used to call the bot from Wikipedia, the bot itself, the interpreter the bot is running on, or the WikiData backend?
 * As I see it this is something that is very important to solve as it is the best approach to identifying WIR.
 * For now as far as manually updating are we modifying the page directly (e.g. WikiProject MedievalWiki/Wikidata Redlist)? And the bot only knows, if it is working correctly, that a page has been made if the Wikidata has been correctly updated? Seems like it's important to make sure no duplicate articles are made because the canonical name isn't always clear (as in this case it could've been Margherita Gonzaga (1418–1439) as well, but this is consistent with some other existing articles). —DIYeditor (talk) 09:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help identifying some historical women
I've been working on creating a redlist for the book A Biographical Dictionary of the Celebrated Women of Every Age and Country and I could use some help identifying some of the people listed there. There are some archaic transliterations and sparse entries which make it hard to pinpoint exactly who the person is. Thanks! Gamaliel ( talk ) 19:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Aisha of Damas
 * Catherine Baat
 * Huguette de Baux
 * the Marchioness Donna Camilla Bentivoglio
 * Barbe Bertani
 * Appia Bestia
 * Blanchefleur
 * Mademoiselle Bonmere
 * Bowanny
 * Callicrata
 * Miss Calvin
 * Candahari
 * Yolanda de Ciel
 * Theodora Dante
 * Daphne
 * Madame Dumont
 * Jane de la Fontaine
 * Johanna Gazzoni
 * Genebria
 * Madame Gerard
 * Madame de Saint Germain
 * Caterina Ginasj
 * Marguerite de Beauvoir du Bourg Marquise de la Gorse
 * Isje
 * Isea
 * Maria Louisa Angelica Lemire Julien
 * Leonora Landi
 * Anne Lavaggi
 * Leila
 * Maria (Daughter of Abraham Ben Althophaiel, of Granada)
 * Veronica Maleguzzi
 * Margaret Marescotti
 * Mœroe
 * Mohgia
 * Musea
 * Ann Musnier
 * Olympia
 * Anna Maria Pfrintia
 * Phathema of Valencia
 * Phathema of Seville
 * Phathema of Corduba
 * Mademoiselle de St. Quentin
 * Radhia
 * Marie de Razilli
 * Rosnida
 * Saphia
 * Madeline Strozzi
 * Theano Locrensis
 * Theano Thuria
 * Cornelia Van Veen
 * Julia Vareza
 * Louise-Francoise de Harley Marchioness de Vielbourg
 * Waladata

Where is Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlinks/Q through Z?
I was looking through the alphabetical lists and noticed that Q through Z don’t exist, does anyone have any idea why? — Mugtheboss (talk) 19:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mugtheboss, I have been creating the lists each month to coincide with the letters of our current Alphabet Run, so O and P are in readiness for February 2024. Oronsay (talk) 20:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for the reply! — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)