Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Worcestershire/Archive 1

Project template: Additional assessment categories
I have modified the Template:WikiProject Worcestershire to  include categories Category:Worcestershire articles needing attention and Category:Worcestershire articles needing infoboxes - this should automatically generate lists on  those category  pages; the default settings are 'no'. I wish I had known about this feature earlier, it will make the comments on  the project's page at special 'to do'  largely redundant. However, any articles in need of very serious/urgent treatment (e.g. articles that I or someone has tagged as PROD, AfD, Merge, blatant POV, or blatant NOT, will  be put  on the priority to do lists on the project  front  page.--Kudpung (talk) 01:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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 * You might want to tweak that template, it's using the Greater Manchester coat of arms! Nev1 (talk) 13:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - that's what comes from copying  and pasting, and using Firefox on Mac - a combination that  won't display images from  Wiki pages!--Kudpung (talk) 15:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good luck with getting the project up and running and recruiting members. You may want to go to WP:BOTR (bot requests) to ask someone to tag Worcestershire related articles. If you're not sure how it's done, leave a note on the talk pages of WikiProjects UK Geography or England and it's members will try to help. Nev1 (talk) 15:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

DELETION - places with names...
I'm in a bit  of a quandry: As I  work  through  all the Worcs stubs, I  come across some that  have been PRODed and AfD'd for lack of notability. The paradox is that it appears that the Wiki policy  is to  create a stub for every square metre of land that has a name. Can someone come up with an official line on this please? Otherwise I'll have to start by  creating a page for every 2-street housing estate in the Barnards Green & Poolbrook area! --Kudpung (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be butting in again as I'm not a member and don't know much about the area. WikiProject UK Geography hasn't got a notability guideline, but a de facto policy some projects have adopted (such as the Cheshire WikiProject) is that in rural areas such as civil parishes, settlements which are borderline notable or whose entries are likely to be permanently stubs because there's so little to say should be redirected to the civil parish. This could be extended to areas of towns and cities etc and is something this project might need to decide for itself. Changing the articles in question into redirects or merging them would probably be preferable to deleting them. Nev1 (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As a note, I'm against the idea of focussing on the civil parishes rather than the villages themselves, the villages are more historically important. I've already had to revert several moves/edits in the past from one editor who decided that little-known civil parishes are more important. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  15:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think with one or two sentence "perma-stubs" we have to be practical; they're not a huge benefit to the reader and can easily be dealt with within another article such as, but not necessarily, a civil parish. For more developed articles on villages etc and when there are sources available they should of course have their own aritlce. Nev1 (talk) 22:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes suggests the common outcome of deletion discussions is "Cities and villages are acceptable, regardless of size, so long as their existence can be verified through a reliable source" Jenuk1985  |  Talk  15:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This discussion may be of interest. Nev1 (talk) 22:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd like to thank Nev1 again  for his input  here. I  followed his links and found some more - in WP one cannot sometimes see the woods for the trees. There has been a lot of good debate and this seems to  be the (more or less) official policy: WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements:I'm not especially focusing  on  the CPs, but  they are a starting  point  because their parish council websites are the first  source that  will  mention  the villages and hamlets they group. I'll plod on through the 800 or so places on  the list and tag any  possible mergers based on  common  sense following  the help  we have been given. That  won't mean that I personally  want  them  merged - it just means we should look at them collectively and reach a consensus.--Kudpung (talk) 11:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There's been some chat on user talk pages about this but as I think its best to keep it together, I'm copying this from RHaworth:

"I have a personal policy that English villages should be written up at the civil parish level and was preparing to redirect Queenhill and Holdfast, Worcestershire to Longdon. But I cannot find the official name for the parish. The council website is no help..." RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC) I still don't really care either way, but  I  do  think  the Guideline in the box above sums it  up rather nicely - which  may mean discussing  individual occurrences rather than unilateral action. --Kudpung (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've just stumbled on more discussions about the notability of small places with unofficial names,  and the Cities Project  wanting  evry  place listed as a 'city'. It  would seem that  there are varying  opinions but it  would help our work on Worcs if we could establish a firm pattern:


 * User talk:MortimerCat
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities
 * WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements I think part of the problem is that in  America there may  be a tendency  to  call everything  a city, whereas the word has very  different  connotations in  other English  speaking  countries. Secondly, some 'places' in  Worcs are little more than an emergency  telephone in  the middle of a vast swathe of common land, an info board in a clearing in a forest,  or a stone on  a hill that is a vestige of the foundations of a medieval barn.Finally, it  might  appear that  different  members of different  projects(Cities, Uk, Rngland, Uk geography, etc, all have their own  criteria.--Kudpung (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Shortcut
Hello everyone. I see on the main Project page that the shortcut is given as "WP-Worcs", but the convention for these things is that the names are of the form "WP:ALLCAPSNAME". For example, we already have the likes of WP:CHES, WP:HERTS and WP:NOTTS. Any objection to making our own shortcut WP:WORCS? Loganberry (Talk) 13:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no objections. I  wasn't aware of such a convention anyway. We just need to  be sure that the template works - and that  the shortcut in  the Project template works too - it's still red.--Kudpung (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've set up the shortcuts: WP:WORCS to the project page and WT:WORCS to the project talk page. It's not important and if anyone raises objections I'll happily remove them. I think the idea is they're useful as a shorthand for conversations and it saves writing out the entire name of the project when searching for it. Nev1 (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks; that's great. I find myself using these shortcuts a lot (eg WP:CRIC for WikiProject Cricket), especially when leaving messages on User talk pages, so it's very handy to have this available. Loganberry (Talk) 11:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Reference materials via library membership
Just thought I'd remind any editors who are members of Worcestershire County Libraries that a number of reference works are available free of charge via their membership, including the Times archive up to 1985. Most (but not all) of these works are also available to them from home via their library ticket numbers. They're available via this Worcestershire hub page. Other libraries may well have similar arrangements, but naturally the Worcs one seems most relevant to us! Loganberry (Talk) 11:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I'm coming back  to  Europe for a month soon so I'll certainly  be squatting the reading  room  at Malvern library for several hours - and pestering  the people in the council  house. --Kudpung (talk) 12:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe its me...
I'm having a discussion with user Kudpung regarding the actions at Hindlip Hall that led up to the martyrdoms at Red Hill, Worcester and the later beatifications. User Kudpungs has deleted this part of the Halls story apart from a reference to a "gunpowder plot event" in the lede. (This certainly breaks WP policy). Its your county. You decide. But can someone offer arbitration as I can't remember the last time someone took referenced material out of a Start class article that had already been peer reviewed (by DYK admins); placed that material in their own Sandbox and left the remaining article as a stub. I have always tried to do the exact opposite. I'm told its to avoid duplication, but these events are not ducumented at all in the Gunpowder Plot articles. Anyone care to be Solomon? Victuallers (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * - Or maybe it's me... but I think if we stick to the facts, the other members of the Worcs project  may get a clearer picture:


 * 1) No previous discussions concerning  this article.
 * 2) No  discussion  has taken place with  me about Red Hill martyrdoms or beatifications, and if it  had, I would have insisted that they too belong  in an article about  English  history, and not  in an article that  exists essentially  to describe an English manor house.
 * 3) No previous rating  template.
 * 4) No article in this discussion  has been reduced to  a stub.
 * 5) Removal of a history  of the Gunpowder Plot that accounted for 75% of the article, although  the G.Plot has its own article.
 * 6) Preservation  of removed material (according  to  WP Guidlines) in a user space for re editing  and inserting  into  the article it  belongs in.
 * 7) As you  so  neatly  explain: these items are not  documented whre they  should be, so  you  are welcome, as was my intention, to  go here: User:Kudpung/gunpowder (from Hindlip) edit it, and put it  where it  belongs. In my  opinion, Hindlip Hall (I come from 8 miles away) has its own history, and does not  need to  be used as an extension platform for general English  history. I may  of course be completely wrong in all this... --Kudpung (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems as if this has been resolved on another talk  page.--Kudpung (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
All village articles should now have infoboxes. Jenuk1985 |  Talk  23:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Category: History by location.

 * Although it now has 51 entries, I do  not  understand  why  the category  was created; the history  of a place seems to me to be a perfectly  reasonable section  for a main article, and that's where I  would expect  to  find it. Would not creating  separate History  articles for every  place just  makes more work, and possible duplication?--Kudpung (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Some places, such as large towns and cities, have a detailed history that is best covered in their own article and prevents the history section from dominating the main article on a place. For example, if the history of Manchester article was inserted into the main Manchester article it would take up too much space. Nev1 (talk) 01:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with your point, Nev. However my  comment was precipitated on  finding  a stub about a town, and yet another stub about its history. I  felt  that  perhaps merging  them  would at  least  make one start-class article.--Kudpung (talk) 05:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Really? That does seem like overkill. In those cases, I'd say it's safe to merge the history of... article back into the main article. Nev1 (talk) 11:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Article statistics
I thought the members of this project might like to see the breakdown of its articles by quality, ranging from stub-class to Good Articles.

Anyone can rate articles up to B-class, but higher ratings such as Good Articles require submitting the article to a review process. Featured Articles are the best content that wikipedia has to offer, and GAs are just below that standard although still require good referencing and a broad coverage of the topic. FAs can be difficult and much more time consuming to write than Good Articles because of the stricter criteria, but GAs are certainly something to aim for, so it's worth bearing this in mind when expanding an article. In short, the Good Article critera are that an article should be: More details on the criteria can be found here. Nev1 (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Well-written
 * 2) Factually accurate and verifiable (per WP:V, everything that could be challenged should be sourced)
 * 3) Broad in its coverage (no important aspects are left out)
 * 4) Neutral (it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias)
 * 5) Stable (there are no edit wars)
 * 6) Illustrated, if possible, by images


 * Thanks Nev - that's extremely helpful. I'm about  1/2 way  through  (groan) putting  project banners on  all the Worcs article, so we'll need it again in a few weeks.--Kudpung (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The table will update automatically every few days as instead of copying the contents of the table to this page I've transcluded the source which is updated by a bot every so often. It would be interesting to see the overall results once all the tagging is done though. Nev1 (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Whooo I have the only Worcs GA :P Sorry, I'll shut up now! Jenuk1985  |  Talk  17:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping to be close on your heels soon with my home town - although it's far from all my own work :) --Kudpung (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Which article is it? Perhaps people here could help, maybe with sourcing a particular section they're interested in or making suggestions? I've had experience writing a lot of demography and economy sections for articles and should be able to throw together some statistics for the article. Nev1 (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Malvern, Worcestershire. Most of the project  members have lent  a hand where they  could. All  I'm really looking for to complete it now are climate and population tables. Be great if you could come up with something. Population tables are likely to be difficult as the town, district, and parish boundaries have changed so often that there are no standard criteria for objective reporting. --Kudpung (talk) 09:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you've picked a tough one! The sources I usually use are spreadsheets available from the statistics.gov.uk website with the results of the 2001 census. Unfortunately it doesn't have data for Malvern (not every settlement is covered, for example the tiny villages are included in their local parish stats) but Great Malvern is. They're very close to each other, but I'm assuming they are separate places. That needs to be clarified as there's currently a merge tag on both articles. If Malvern is a part of Greater Malvern (I'm not familiar with either place I'm afraid), I could make a demography section with the stats for Great Malvern with the caveat that the details for Malvern won't be the same, but are likely to be similar. Nev1 (talk) 01:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I guessed you'd say that! It is tough. Not least because a lot  of the discussion  was spread over several  Malvern related talk  pages (one of the main reasons why  I  called the Worcestershire project  into being). I put those merge tags on the articles myself, and GyroMagician and I  seem to  have agreed on  the best  way  to  go  for  the time being. FYI: neither Great Malvern, nor Malvern, have formal boundaries as such, and neither of them is the name of a civil  parish  or a ward. Great Malvern is the traditional  town center, but  ward 6 of the Malvern District Council covers practically  the entire   area we locals (and most  people) just  call  Malvern, and if the Town council wards cover the same area as MHDC ward 6, those are likely  to  be the demog  stats. However, for the purpose of an encyclopedia, the major article has to be Malvern, Worcestershire, with Great Malvern pruned down to  strict, basic, town centre essentials,  and get  the same treatment  as, say, Malvern Link. The councilors seem to pick  and choose whatever seems to  siut  them. Bottom line is that  'Great Malvern' could cover the entire parish for the council, but for the local  population that  would be a very  inacurate surmise. The town centre ward is in fact  called 'Priory' ! To get  the full  picture, you  would need to  read both  articles closely  and see how I  have tried to  expalin it  all. There is still someobvious duplication of content in  both  articles, but  as I  said, I'm trying  to  shift most  of it into  the 'Malvern, Worcestershire' article,  so  that  readers get  the global  picture.--Kudpung (talk) 14:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, what I think I'll do is use the stats here to make a section. The data statistics.gov provides for civil parishes is nowhere near as detailed as wards or urban areas, so rather than a section like in Partington, Greater Manchester, the best I can manage is something like Little Bollington. Would that be ok? I don't think there are enough stats on statistics.gov to make an economy section I'm afraid. Nev1 (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think  that  sounds fine. I wouldn't worry  too  much  about  economy - there isn't much. Based on  some national  statistics, Malvern has a high  third-age population. The few significant  factories, commerces, and employers are mentioned in the text.--Kudpung (talk) 05:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've had a go, see what you think Malvern. Nev1 (talk) 11:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that  is excellent. I've had a go  at  expanding  some of the population  counts. if you  think what  I  have done is rubbish don't hesitate to  say  so.--Kudpung (talk) 05:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Schools
I'm about to embark  on an attempt to clean up the school articles. If anyone has any advice for us on  this please discuss it  here.--Kudpung (talk) 07:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't spend much time editing articles about school, but from my limited experience they are some of the articles most likely to be vandalised on wikipedia. Most articles on schools are stubs and vandalism can easily slip through the cracks, whether it's one disgruntled student who wants to tell the world that their teacher sucks or a couple of friends in an IT lesson changing the article in turns and giggle about the results. The best course of action, in my opinion, is to remove any unsourced information that looks remotely unencyclopedia, not notable, or defamatory. For privacy reasons, wikipedias guidelines state that timetables shouldn't be included, neither should names of current pupils. There's no need for a roster of staff, although the headmaster is worth noting. Some are bound to have lists of notable alumni. My preference is to remove the unsourced entries (which is usually all of them), but bear in mind that someone may return later and re-add them. It's also important to be balanced when writing about schools; if you see an opinion feel free to remove it immediately. As the summer holidays are here, this is probably the best time to embark on a clean up of the school articles. Nev1 (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dines Green
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. Qwfp (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC) (Using ) Qwfp (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warning, I have already started improving the article. Jeni  ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 13:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I only just saw this, well done Jenuk for the effort you put into saving the article. Nev1 (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Village articles without images
Right, for each village in Category:Villages in Worcestershire I have added at least one picture, and they have their own commons category (in many cases, there are a load more pictures in that category). I've found all the images on Geograph, however, the following articles are still missing images/commonscats:
 * Axborough
 * Bickmarsh
 * Bournheath
 * Crowcroft
 * Dodderhill
 * Earls Common
 * Frog Pool
 * Harpley, Worcestershire
 * Hawbridge
 * Henwick
 * Hillhampton
 * Holberrow Green
 * Horsham, Worcestershire
 * Hunt End
 * Kenswick, Worcestershire
 * Lindridge
 * Mere Green, Worcestershire

Unless anyone beats me to it, I'll try and go out for a drive sometime in the week to fill in the gaps! Jeni ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 01:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You are doing  a great  job :) I  won't beat  you  to  it  because I'm not  coming  to  Europe until  27 Aug. --Kudpung (talk) 04:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of these, I am far from sure that Axborough merits an article, since it is not in fact a village: see artoicle as amended. The ancient parish of Wolverley contained a number of townships.  Kingsford, Austcliffe, Blakeshall, and Caunsall would certainly merit having articles; possibly also Horseley and The Lowe. Woodhamcote has been absorbed into Wolverley village and Upton by the Broadwaters suburb of Kidderminster; these shouyld be dealt with by articles on those areas.


 * Partly supported: It's not a place, but  it  might  fit  into  some other category; if not  it  should be deleted as it  seems not to  meet any  particular criteria for notability (not  an archeological site), and it  might  set a new precedent  for listing  every  bump in  the landscape.--Kudpung (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Parish list template navboxes
I am copying this to  here as it  is a general  project  issue and will  receive more attention  than on  my  personal  talk  page:

''It is a bad idea to have parish navboxes, as they are designed to provide navigation between existing articles. In Worcestershire we have articles on settlements, not civil parishes. I have started work on improving List of civil parishes in Worcestershire which can be linked to from the settlement navboxes. When I am finished with the Redditch district articles, I'll be doing the same for the Malvern Hills district articles. WP:NAVBOX makes good reading in this regard. Thanks! Jeni ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 18:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)''

I am familiar with the  WP:NAVBOX]: article, unfortunately, I  have already created a similar navbox for Wychavon  parishes (see [[Evesham - this has created a lot  of red links that  are indicative of settlements that  may  need their own articles, and will  shortly  be removed again  from  the page). There are articles in  Wikipedia about  various parishes, and there are suggestetions about what  to  do  with  one-line articles about  extremely  small  settlements that  are destined to  become perma-stubs. These issues may  require a consensus that  may  even need further discussion with parent  projects, or a closer look  at how other county  projects are managing  similar issues. Please see the discussions above on  this talk  page.--Kudpung (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am also adding  this from  a message to  me on  Nev1's talk  page:

''I've never seen a civil parish with "town council" in the name. The reason the website says "Malvern town council" is because the website is about and belongs to the town council which runs the civil parish. For example, Trafford's official name is "Metropolitan Borough of Trafford", but the website (the council's wesite) very prominently at the top of the page says Trafford Council. I think in Malvern's case, the official name of the civil parish is Malvern rather than Malvern Town Council. I've not touched the categories, so I have no conflict with Jenuk and even if I did we could always discuss it on the talk page; however since the council asserts it's right to being a town council I'd say that the ciivl parish is a town. Parishes can also be towns as demonstrated by Shaw and Crompton and Partington, Greater Manchester. There is a category for civil parishes which can be added aswell. Nev1 (talk) 20:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)''
 * Please understand everyone, that I'm just  trying  to  keep  the comments in  one place so  that  we can reach  a consensus on  some of these issues.--Kudpung (talk) 06:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the correct name of the parish is actually Great Malvern, though the parish also includes Malvern Link. Malvern Wells and Little Malvern are spearate civil parishes.  A town with a "Town Council" is a civil parish, whose parish council has adopted that name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The 2001 census lists the parish as "Malvern Town", I'd suggest that's the most accurate source we have? Malvern, Worcestershire probably should be moved to Malvern Town to adequately reflect the name of the civil parish. Though to be honest, I'm still in favour of merging Malvern, Worcestershire into Great Malvern. Jeni  ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 16:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Preceding two  posts copied to the Malvern, Worcestershire talk  page.--Kudpung (talk) 12:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Civil Parish or settlement
I'm not so sure that it  is a good idea for the encyclopedia to  have articles on  both  civil parishes and settlements when they  are one and the same; that  would appear as going  for redundancy or duplication. Moreover, there is a Wiki policy that  in the case of  small  settlements that  constitute a parish, they  should be grouped into an article about their parish - but  I don't interpret this as meaning  that every  parish  should have an article of its own. I think that's what  the  List articles are for.--Kudpung (talk) 13:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In reality articles in this country are organised by village, not civil parish, regardless of what WikiProject guidelines suggest (note: WikiProject guidelines cannot overrule Wikipedia guidelines). Most civil parish articles will generally immediately fail WP:N, whereas village articles will pass WP:N 99% of the time, namely due to the history behind them. Its worthless creating civil parish articles if they are duplicating information found within the appropriate village articles. Jeni  ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 15:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Which is, of course, precisely  what  I  was implying. However, there are borderline cases which  have been discussed in  great depth  in  other places, and I would personally tend to  follow precedent reached by  consensus: WP:UKTOWNS, rather than interpret a new set of rules for the Worcestershire project.--Kudpung (talk) 16:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Some parishes contain more than one village. Some parishes are vast in area, others more modest in size.  Wolverley and Cookley Parish has about 5 village articles and could legitmately have more.  I would suggest that a list of Civil Parishes article should also indicate the names of other villages in the parish (with their own articles); similarly articles on particular suburbs or areas of towns.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I modified the list last week to add a col to list the villages within the parish, it just needs populating. Jeni  ( talk )(Jenuk1985) 17:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Very good ideas:) I'll have a bash at  populating too,  but  at  the moment I'm concentrating  on  the school articles.

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Mascot/Icon/Logo
I thought we could do with an icon (after seeing the Manchester pawn), so I drew a quick pear. Wadayathink? Useful? We could add it to various banners, userboxes (I live in Worcs, not WP:Worcs), etc. The file is an SVG, so it rescales to whatever size you need. GyroMagician (talk) 08:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Project prioritising and overlapping interests
Greetings. While the degree to which I will be able to consistently contribute to the Worcestershire project in the foreseeable future remains currently in doubt, I can at least offer some observations.

With regards the question of 'where to start' and which articles to prioritise first, we might consider starting with articles that in terms of category or taxonomy, encapsulate other articles. So, the Worcestershire article shows a map containing six districts. As a non-native, the first thing I found myself looking for was something giving me an overview of the map and its six districts, rather than have to go to each article separately, read up, then come back to the parent article. In general, it would be easier for me to read an overview of Worcestershire and the districts which it encompasses, and then follow links for more information. Obviously, the way we read articles in practice is that sometimes something specific catches our attention, and we pursue that link. But not always, and I'd suggest it's good for the reader to have a choice of reading the overview, or pursuing their own little direction.

Now while we wouldn't necessarily want to dominate the structure of the article with an elaboration on the districts, we could capitalise on this by creating sections for each district, and providing an overview paragraph for each section. In doing so, we could first pay attention to the district articles containing the least development. Of these, Bromsgrove (district) appears the least developed. So we could kill two birds with one stone. Create a section for Bomsgrove, and simultaneously work on the Bomsgrove article, tacking back and forth as necessary. Similarly with Wychavon. As for the other districts, a section would be similarly useful, but they are all better developed. So if we've got their leads roughly right, we can just pinch the gist of those for yor paragraphs, and so concentrate our energies on the lesser-developed articles.

A similar strategy could be employed for any of the other articles in the Worcestershire project. That is, for each of the least developed articles, go up taxonomically to the broadest parent article, develop sections within that article or those articles, and simultaneously flesh out the sections whilst developing the the undeveloped articles. Thats essentially the strategy I employed when developing the Captain R.T. Claridge article, launching into other articles, and contributing to their development, the process of which helped me further develop the Claridge article, either directly or indirectly. Indeed it was that very process which led me to Malvern Water, and thence to the Malvern project, the process of which was rewarding in itself, but which also helped me with the article which I was trying to develop.

Just food for thought. Nothing revolutionary, and probably nothing that hasn't already occurred to others, and which isn't already done to a greater or lesser degree. But it sometimes helps to formalise these thoughts. Regards Wotnow (talk) 11:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for those excellent observations Wotnow. Please go  HERE and do  a small  tweak, then come back and change every use of the word you  in  the above message to  we :-) --Kudpung (talk) 11:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ I hope I'm not thereby inviting Murphy's Law to kick in, whereby my life circumstances cause me to drop out of Wikipedia completely. Time will tell. Wotnow (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Project infrastructure
Hello all! As some of you have probably noticed, I've been creating some pages for WikiProject Worcestershire. I've created a sidebar (top right, main project page), which we should put on all project pages to aid navigation. I've worked a bit on our templates, to try to create a bit of an identity. I added some extra tags to the main Worcestershire banner (needs-refs and needs-photo), but I'm not sure these are a good addition - they look neat in the banner, but they only show up in the Worcestershire categories, rather than globally (Great Malvern Station, for example, is also a member of WikiProject Trains, who might also help sorting out the references). I also (after brief discussion with Kudpung) removed the B-class checklist. I don't find it useful, but I don't have a strong feeling (Jeni, I just noticed that you added it - if you find it useful, maybe we should re-add).

I added a black pear to the userboxes for lives in/is from Worcestershire. It seems like a suitable mascot, and is within my limited drawing skills! I created a couple of templates to welcome new users, or suggest that an editor join WikiProject Worcestershire - please use them as we have the opportunity. I've also started a page that will be, but isn't yet, about how to reference articles. I imagine this page being about both about Wikipedia technicalities, and how to find sources. We have a few members who are pretty hot on this, so it would be good to share the knowledge - how you find historic texts, useful websites, sources within the county, etc. I'm hoping some of you will add to this page.

We've made a good start on the county (Jeni - I've only just realised how many infoboxes you've added!), especially now we have a GA, but we should keep the momentum going.

Waddayathink folks? GyroMagician (talk) 18:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * What I think is that it's fantastic that others are now mucking  in more actively .And I  do  like that  side bar  thingy.  I founded the project and started all  the main project  pages and to-do  lists and stuff, but I wasn't really very good at it (especially  all  those templates and things), and it was never my intention to continue by micromanaging  the  project. It is possible that  the recent hard work on  Malvern was the catalyst  that  spurned us into  action, and it  certainly showed what  teamwork can achieve. If  the collaboration continues by  taking  things now in  priority order, Worcs could be the best  Wiki county  project  of 2010  - well,  maybe ;)
 * --Kudpung (talk) 10:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Restructuring of project pages
Gyro started the ball rolling by adding a sidebar to all the project  pages for better navigation. The project now has a cleaner main page for a better overview of project aims and content, and a completely  new To Do page of articles needing  urgent  attention, listed by  kind of action  required. Other tasks remain listed in  the comments on  the lists of every  Worcs article by  category as shown with  their links on  the project  main  page. These lists are far more comprehensive than those items listed on the WP:WORCS/ToDo page which  is really  only  for the very  urgent  items. The lists enable editors to pick  and choose what  they are good at improving if they  can't  find anything  on the urgent  list  that  they  can  offer immediate help  with.--Kudpung (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Did You Know that  a lot  of flap  is made on  Wiki  about the  WP:DYK articles? Never having contributed to  one, I'm  not  so  sure about their importance. Nevertheless, some of them are quite interesting and many editors appear to  feel that  gathering laurels for creating them  is one of the paths to adminship - excuse my  typical  cynicism ;)

None of the regular Worcs project members appear to  have created one (I  may  be wrong), so  does anyone think  it  would be a good idea to  have some DYKs about  Worcs? Maybe we can come up with some ideas. --Kudpung (talk) 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Biography of Living Persons
There is great consternation and much  debate (too, too much) about  tens of thousands of BLPs that  have been left, unreferenced, in  a poor state, abandoned by  their creators, and left to rot  in full public view in  defiance of Wikpedia's strict rules about  BLP. The problem of a clean up  is obviously  the sheer quantity of pages to be vetted and decisions taken whether to  improve them  or delete them. Everyone wants to talk  about  it  but  only  a dedicated few, particularly  those with the 'special' tools and whose judgement  can only  be opposed without further straining  the resources of the server, are prepared to  dig  in  and do  something. What they do  is still nly  a drop  in  the ocean. It's been suggested that perhaps some action  could be organised at  project  level. I'm guilty  of not even having  got  round to  putting  the WP:WORCS banner on  the talk pages of all the cat 'people connected with  Worcs', but  I  did create the task list at  All Worcs related articles about people by ABC. It might be a great  gesture if the Worcs project could do  its bit and check out any  unreferenced BLPs, and either rescue them, or PROD them. with a message to  the major contributors. If the PROD doesn't help after the seven days, we just  delete them. Anyone for/against, or simply ready to roll up their sleeves? --Kudpung (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh boy, that's a big list! From quickly skimming it, most of those aren't still living though. Maybe a first step would be to flag the living ones on the list? Is there a reason you've not been tagging people for WikiProject Worcs, other than trying to cut down a mammoth task to something manageable, like a WP policy that says we shouldn't (this isn't meant to be a critisism, I just don't want to start and then have to revert them!)? I would hesitate to delete articles so quickly, but certainly flagging them is a good start - maybe we can act as a filter for another project, such as WikiProject Biography, Living persons. GyroMagician (talk) 17:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't done anything  with  that  list  yet  as the mere work  of setting up  the project  and all its anciullary  pages last  year  somewhat  sapped my  energy and I  needed a change of wallpaper (such as the Malvern Hills). As usual,  the 'central discussion'  - not  unlike your 'central discussion' on  refs & templates (OMG !) - has lost  its focus and has simply become just  a page where the more eloquent can play  with words and sidetrack  everyone as much  as they  can. The real  issue is that  any registered user, and better any  project  can help by practically doing  what  it  likes without  a secondary consensus by Ena Sharples, Martha Longhurst, and Minnie Caldwell from  their snug at the village pump. Yes, by  all means, the very  first  task is to  get  WP:WORCS banners on  all the talk  pages and assessed as stubs/start/ or whatever class, add the new 'todo' template to  the talk  page, flag the article page with  ugly  banners and inline tags if absolutely  necessary, then we can call up  the robot  lists of those problem  pages and then make a decision  on what  to  do  with  them. That  decision, if I  have anything  to  do  with  it, would be to  either  improve and clean up  the article without  necessarily  xpanding  it, or PRODing  it. A PROD is good because it we think, even vaguley, that the article is not  worth  keepiing, if the original  author(s) don't  come along  and do something after 7 days, we can delete it as per:
 * Proposed deletion is a process used for nominating pages for uncontroversial deletion, and deleting such pages after 7 days if no objections are raised. It is a way to suggest deletions that no editor would disagree with, and should not be used to side-step AfD discussion for articles that an editor may wish to keep. Its purpose is to reduce the load on the Articles for deletion process, for cases where articles are uncontestably deletable, yet fail to meet the criteria for speedy deletion. --Kudpung (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It's interesting to watch - tagging biographies appears to be generating some interest. I guess it's useful to push pages back onto other editors watchlists every now and again. GyroMagician (talk) 10:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There is now a new Worcs Project page at WikiProject Worcestershire/Unreferenced BLPs which will  be populated and regularly updated by  a bot. It  will (should) contain all  the unreferenced BLPs in  the Worcestershire Project category. please check  this page from  time to  time to  see if the bot  is working, and to  attemp to  find references for the article. If you  can't, it  will  be tagged by  us later with the new WT:STICKY banner that  is currently  under development.--Kudpung (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

County research
I have booked my  flight  for 1 April to  the UK and will  be staying  in  Malvern again  for one month. if any one has a wish list  for photos or sources in  books or the WRO please don(t  hesitate to let me know on  my  talk  page Acoupl of project  members a re looking  forward to  meeting  up somewhere in the county whiule I  am  there, and I  sincerely hope that  this time round we'll b  able to make it  happen.--Kudpung (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hanbury, Worcestershire - COPYVIO
Hanbury, Worcestershire: if somebody has time, could they  please look  into this article and find out where the COPYVIO comes from. The whole thing is so  smooth  and detailed, I don't  believe it  to  be from  the hand of a Wikipedian.--Kudpung (talk) 03:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter
What did I do to receive that newsletter? I haven't significantly contributed to any articles about Worcestershire, but I've probably made minor edits to them. Many users, including myself, don't appreciate unsolicited newsletter postings like that. Also, please put your signature somewhere in the message. Graham 87 15:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * An author's name was included in the template. The newsletter is issued in the interests of encouraging  active participation in improving  Wikipedia articles.  Thank you for your help  in  improving  the encyclopedia with your edits to  articles monitored and maintained by  the WP:WORCS. If you  have a profound interest, you are most  welcome to join the project.--Kudpung (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixes have been made, based on suggestions, that  avoid the listing of individual newsletter headers in the contents box of users' talk  pages.--Kudpung (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The right place
Please take note that I do  not  really want  to  receive comments on  my  talk  page about the newsletter, or anything else to  do  with  the Worcs project that  is not  of a very personal nature. I firmly  believe in keeping  discussion  in the right  places, where everyone who  may  be concerned, has a fair crack  at  being kept  up  to  date. Watching watch  lists is a practice that  still  needs to  be adopted by  many  Wikipedians. Please respect, but do  not  be offended or agressive by  this request. Comments made to my  tp  will  be moved to  here.--Kudpung (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Biographies
Addiing the project banners to the talk  pages of places took  about  30 hours -  not  non-stop  of course ;) The main  thing is that  once the banners are on  and assessed at  least  as stub/low, then they  will  be picked up  by  bots that  will make work  lists of them  for us. The other thing  of course, is to  check  for categories.I don't  know how she does it, but  Jeni  has a remarkable way  of being able to  infoboxes to  articles at  (it  seems) a rate of several hundred an hour. Maybe we're missing  out on a lot of automations. --Kudpung (talk) 04:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Notabilty of local politicians
Because most of the WP:WORCS  articles are about  places, there is often a section  on local  politics. The usual header is 'Governance'. It's been noticed that a lot  of non notable polticians have been creeping  into  the pages. Just to remind WP:WORCS participants who  are actively  cleaning up  articles, that  they  can and should delete any  politicians' names who  do  not  meet the the notability  criteria at WP:POLITICIAN. That generally  means paractically anyone below the MP of a parliamentary  constituencey, such  as most  town and parish  councillors, with  the exception  perhaps, of the mayor of a city or large town if he is also  notable for other things.--Kudpung (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Those guidelines refer to articles about politicians; not mentioning lesser politicians in articles on other subjects. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation?
I have just come across this Talk:Hanbury, Worcestershire. Checking it seems that someone has been a busy beaver. Looking at the history of the editors I have listed and the articles they have edited I think that this needs to be discussed by a wider audience and as they are nearly all Worcestershire related this is an obvious place to post this message. -- PBS (talk) 09:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've left a comment at Talk:Hanbury, Worcestershire. GyroMagician (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The article concerning Fort Royal Hill ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Royal_Hill ) plagiarizes blatantly from the article about the Battle of Worcester ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Worcester ). Paragraph 2 under the "History" section of the Fort Royal Hill article is clearly copied and pasted from Paragraph 5 under "The Battle" on Battle article.

Kidderminster mapping party, April 17th
This sounds like a very cool event. I won't be able to make it, but please turn up if you can. For more details, go to Mappa Mercia or see the Kidderminster talk page (despite what the banner says, leave any requests on the Kidderminster page, not here). Thanks to Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing) for originally posting! GyroMagician (talk) 10:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Worcestershire bus route 144
I've just started Worcestershire bus route 144, which has a long history, particularly in its past life of heading to Malvern. I was wondering if any of the guys from the Malvern area care to help me expand it? Jeni ( talk ) 11:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Herefordshire
I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Herefordshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Hereford has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, would anyone be interested in a project for Shropshire? I hope it's all right to post these questions here. I thought as Worcestershire borders both counties it would be an appropriate place to ask. Cheers. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've started very basic pages for WikiProject Herefordshire and WikiProject Shropshire to get them up and running. Feel free to help if you can. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Good Article nominations
I'm probably goibng  to  be nominating  a few shorter WP:WORCS articles for GA in  the next  few days. If anyone can make any  last  minute improvements or suggestions please go  ahead. Comments on the article talk pages please: --Kudpung (talk) 03:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Worcestershire bus route 144
 * Hanley Castle High School (already  peer reviewed)
 * Evesham
 * List of Old Malvernians

Vandalism
I find myself more and more fighting vandalism on  Worcs pages. This does not mean that  there is necessarily  more vandalism, but  it  means that  I  have all the Worcs pages on my  watchlist and based on  the edit  summaries and user names/IPs, it  is easy  to  identify  what  are probably vandalism and inappropriate edits. This is using up a lot of my  valuable content editing time. If would be great if project members could help  look  out for such disruptions. Some pages, particularly schools and Redditch are more susceptible to attack  than others. Any pages you  visit  will  automatically  be added to  your watchlists. If you find any damage, you  can  use any  of the automated and semi-automated tools such  as WP:Friendly  and WP:Twinkle, but  as  those tools do  not  always fully complete those tasks, do  please also  remember to  add a warning  or a vandal-welcome on the culprit's page. In so  doing, it  will  help to get  regular miscreants blocked. Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 02:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Malvern water GA
CONGRATULATIONS! - and thanks to everyone who worked so hard over the past  few weeks to  get  Malvern water  to  GA. --Kudpung (talk) 23:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Worcestershire articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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We would like to ask you to review the Worcestershire articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (&diams;) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

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Worcestershire demographics
The 20o1 UK census website has moved and the links to it in many of our pages are returning a 404. Detailed demographic info is now available for districts, towns and neighbourhoods on this page at Worcs County Council: http://c/cms/community-and-living/research-and-intelligence/census-and-where-i-live/2001-census/area-profiles.aspx --Kudpung (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The site with a problem is only Worcs County Council one, not ONS. I would always prefer to use ONS because if they move they are going to be systematic, and we have a site wide template for them, which means one edit fixes everything. Rich Farmbrough, 06:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC).

WORCS project banners on talk pages
I'm still coming across a lot of Worcs related pages without the template on the talk pages. (This comes also from a massive stint I've been doing recently on NPP and various BLP backlogs). We can track some, but not all of them by taking an occasional look at the bot  generated lists of Worcs related stubs and Worcs related cats.--Kudpung (talk) 06:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

GAC for Evesham?
I've done some tweaks lately to the Evesham page. Surprisingly, it's looking quite good already and it could be a fairly easy nom for GA. Anyone interested in checking it over? --Kudpung (talk) 06:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a promising article - it still needs a few tweaks, but nothing major. I'm pretty busy until November, but I'll try to help out if you push ahead ;-) GyroMagician (talk) 10:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What it needs is some info  on  demographics, so  local  political  history (§without  of cour(s a tedeitous list  of every  town councillor), a compass, and a short section on  transport. i'll ask  Wotnow if he can do the honours qwith  the references, in  the menartime I'll run  the link check  tool. --Kudpung (talk) 05:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Importance
I've just notice that Malvern College is rated as high importance, while Malvern Water is only of Mid importance. Can this be so? A toff's school is more important than Nature's own million-year-old water clarification plant? (kidding, KIDDING!). But still, given my apple and your orange, which is more important? GyroMagician (talk) 00:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right - apples and oranges! Done. BTW, you  are perfectly allowed to  assess, reassess anything  you  like. Of course, I  might  not  agree... --Kudpung (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I like to discuss. It's easy to think an article is important because it's a good article, rather than an important topic. But I'm glad you agree :-) GyroMagician (talk) 10:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Malvern
It has been suggested that  the name of the Malvern, Worcestershire page be moved to  Malvern, to  bring  it in line with  Wikipedia policy  at  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Everyone is welcome to express their opinion.--Kudpung (talk) 13:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Malvern Link railway station


The article Malvern Link railway station has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * A search for references found two published (gBook) minor mentions of the station, fails WP:N and WP:STATION

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jeepday (talk) 11:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Dodford page
I've done quite a lot of work on the Dodford, Worcestershire page. It would be great if someone could check it, and and perhaps review the quality / importance. scale I think it's quite important from a national social history POV. Jim Killock (talk) 12:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Reviewed and reassessed from stub to start  class. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Redditch
- is one of the largest (if not the largest) towns in the county and its Wikipedia article is a target for frequent spam and vandalism. Good faith edits from anon users also occasionally need correcting or tweaking. Please let's keep Redditch on our watchlists and intervene as necessary. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I posed that over three and a half years ago and for some reason Redditch is still a major target for disruptive editing. It would be good if participants in the Worcs project could keep it on their watchlists. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Requesting peer review before nominating for FA
Malvern, Worcestershire: A peer review has been requested here prior to  eventual  nomination  for FA. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Unassesed articles
As of July 2011 there are around 70 unassessed Worcestershire articles listed at Category:Unassessed Worcestershire articles. If anyone has a moment, it would be good to have a look at these. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Article alerts
WikiProject Worcestershire/Article alerts has been created; generating Article alerts for this WikiProject. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Peer review
List of Old Malvernians has been submitted for peer review. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians has now been peer reviewed. The reviewer pointed out some  FL aspects tat  will be impossible to  comply  wit  as the data is not  available and never likely  to  be. (pupils' houses, dates of attendance, images, etc.). Unfortunately it looks as if its potential  for Fl  is thus limited. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Lines family sketchbook
There are some Worcestershire images in Commons:Category:Lines family sketchbook which you might enjoy, or whose subjects you might be able to identify. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:32, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Voysey
Dear Worcestershire Wikipedians: I am sure you are familiar with the village of Colwall; you may also know of the work of the English architect CFA Voysey. Curiously, one of Voysey's greatest creations 'Perrycroft' on the Malvern Hills is not mentioned on the Colwall page and gets only the briefest of mentions in the Voysey article. Please could I offer to do a definitive article about the house, which has recently been the subject of a careful restoration? CORREZE CORREZE (talk) 09:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * In theory, yes. In  practice however, it  may  not  be easy  to establish  sufficient  notability  for a standalone article about  a house unless it  is a listed building  for example See . Notability  must  be affirmed through multiple, reliable independent sources WP:RS. Failing  that, you  could consider expanding  both  the Colwall nd Voysey  articles to  include information  about  the house, bearing  in mind however, that  the claims must  also  be referenced. If  you are searching  for old records, do  bear in  mind though that while Colwall is practically  a suburb of Malvern, it  is in  Hereforshire, and not  in  Worcestershire (although there was a short period where the two  counties were merged). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC).

Evesham - ready for GA?
Something on  my  watchlist recently  drew my  attention  to  Evesham. A couple of years ago several of us spent  some time improving  and expanding  this article, and on  further review, I  believe it is very  close  to  GA. The review will  of course reveal  areas for further improvement, but  what  do  we think  about  nominating  it? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Evolution of Worcestershire County Boundaries
Hi

Just to let you know that I (with contributions from others) have been working on an article known as Evolution of Worcestershire County Boundaries, which could help clear up the 'Local Government' section on the Worcestershire page. Maybe some parts of the Worcestershire page dealing with historical boundary changes to the Local Government structures can be deleted in favour of a brief overview and concentration on the present local government structures of the county.

This page is already linked from the Worcestershire page and other associated pages.

Evolution of Worcestershire county boundaries

Bellow558 (talk) 14:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Please help get Worcestershire ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by English Heritage. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in England, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by English Heritage. These use pre formatted templates (eg EH header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:
 * The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
 * The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
 * The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
 * The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
 * Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the English Heritage database which can be checked if needed for details.
 * The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
 * References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom. ]

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. '''The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Evolution of Worcestershire county boundaries
Hi there

I've been working (along with a few others) on the "Evolution of Worcestershire county boundaries" page for the last three years, hoping that it could assist in cleaning up some of the local government part of the main Worcestershire page. I'm just wondering if this page can be rated and added to the Worcestershire WikiProject at some point, as I feel it could add some value to the project.

Plus I've put it forward for consideration as a good article nominee...

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

Thanks

Bellow558 (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Excellent article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Old maps and views of the West Midlands
As you might have seen in the Signpost last week, there's currently a drive to go through the million 19th century images released by the British Library last year, and identify all the maps, with a view to their being georeferenced by BL volunteers, and then uploaded to Commons early next year. After the first week, over eight thousand new maps have been identified, with 40% of the target books looked at -- see the status page for the latest figures, and more information.

A part that may specifically interest this project is
 * c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/Synoptic index/England - West Midlands

which currently shows pink templated links for 134 Flickr book pages still to be looked at. (Though there are lots of other parts of England, and indeed of the world, still to be looked through as well).

Any help looking through these would be very much appreciated -- as well as the maps (and ground plans) for tagging, you may well also find other interesting or useful non-map views that may be worth considering or uploading for articles on Worcestershire and elsewhere in the West Midlands. (If uploading, please use the ingestion template described here, which sets up some appropriate image templates and categories).

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 21:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Worcester
Participants of the Worcestershire project are invited to jpoin the discussion at Talk:Worcester. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)