Wikipedia talk:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall

Comments
I have completed SPAG'ing Hayle. If anyone would like to take a look and okay it, then it can be removed from the list (and another put in?)LessHeard vanU 16:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Some nice work - I've been meaning to get round to sorting out Hayle for ages. I'm not sure if it warrants moving out of fair (or what fair really means -they were only tempory headings that are open for discussion) because although very detailed, it isn't very well rounded in terms of content(as for example Penzance is).  Maybe I should put a box in for suggested improvements? Keep up the good work Mammal4 19:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Had a go at Madron but needs alot more detail in the article Reedgunner

I've added some history content to St. Buryan, its not complete yet but I'll add some more later - if somebody has time to SPAG it that would be great. Mammal4 16:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

New - portal:cornwall have added our details there may attract a few interested. Reedgunner

I think its probably better to have a separate section for Church away from history,but thats just my preference Mammal4 15:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxs
Have finished adding infoboxes and maps to all of the parish pages Mammal4 20:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Templates
I feel that this Project requires a general template, one which can be placed on every talkpage of a Penwith related subject. This would prompt a casual editor to visit this, and other relevant pages, which may result in more people joining the Project - and should help arrive at some conformity over the various articles. If anyone is interested in what this might look like, I would suggest that any they look at one or two Beatles related talkpages. I would remind folk, however, that whilst I am keen on the concept of templates and such, I don't know how one goes about creating them! Nevertheless, it may be of some benefit if a technically minded editor were to create one for use by Project members. LessHeard vanU 19:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Great idea. Hows this?
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Still learning about templates - this one borrows heavily on one of The Beatles templates you suggested, but I think it'll do until i have time to improve it? Mammal4 11:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. I would think that the contents of the Suggested article edit guidlines could use a show/hide function. That way the template is a neat box on the talkpage - anyone interested will open it... I know that this can be done, as it is used in The Beatles newsletter (the fact I was Lead Editor for the last issue does not mean I know how it is done!) LessHeard vanU 12:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Great work by Dan1980 on the template.LessHeard vanU 10:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Woah!
This is the most ultra specific project I've ever come across, how do these things work other than everyone just collaborating on the article. Philc TECI 00:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean - you use article in the singular, do you think that the project only covers the article on Penwith?!! The project covers everything to do with with places in the district, so that includes an article on every parish, town and village of note, as well as other places like the Minack Theatre and stone monuments like the The Merry Maidens so there is quite a lot of scope.   When we started there was mostly a single line or nothing on most of these pages.  its looking a bit more fleshed out now, but there is still lots to do!  If you feel like helping out, take a look at the taskspage and feel free to pick something that needs doing or if you're more motivated and want to contribute more regularly then add your name to the Participants page have fun editing Mammal4 09:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok thats quite cool. There must be quite a small scope for participants, as those who don't know the area probably don't sign up. I don't know anything about the area, or have access to it, am I of any value to the project at all? Philc  TECI 10:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Help with classifying articles, spell and grammer checking, and asking pertinent questions will be very valuable. LessHeard vanU 12:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

St Erth\St Erith
According to the SRA, the actual name for this place and the railway station are St Erith and not St Erth. Can someone please clarify on this? Simply south 19:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Well not just the SRA. Looking through google there were 41,200 hits for St Erth and 38 hits for St Erith. Is it still worth noting? Simply south 19:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Its St Erth - trust me I've been there! Mammal4 11:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It said St Erth on the station sign when I went past it 2 days ago! 84.92.138.170 16:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggest merging Penwith Peninsula into Penwith main article
I thought it might make sense merging Penwith Peninsula into the Penwith article - there isn't really much that can be said on the peninsula article that won't be a duplication of information already in the Penwith article - most of what isn't duplicated there could easily be incorporated. I realise that one is a political division and the other a geographical feature, but I think that this could be better explained all in the one place "The district of Penwith covers the majority of the Penwith peninsula, which forms the westerly tip of Cornwall" or something like that Any thoughts (reply at Talk:Penwith)? Mammal4 13:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Photo requests
I will be out and about with my camera in a couple of weeks to try and populate some of the Penwith articles - does anyone have any requests for pictures that they feel are particularly pressing/needed? I will try and fit in as much as possible. Mammal4 15:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't think of anything particularly pressing, but any of the articles with a bold entry in the "Number of photos" column in this table would be useful. Dan1980 20:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I have a lot of good quality geographical photographs of West Penwith, and I've uploaded a few already onto Wikimedia Commons (some examples on the Logan Rock article). Can I draw your attention to the geograph site which contains hundreds of appropriate grid-referenced and captioned photographs of Penwith, and each one has a CC license with the intent of them being reused in places like this. The downside is that they are only screen resolution (typically 640x480). I'm uploading my own pics onto Commons at max resolution for future compatibility! JimChampion 10:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Website looks good - will have a proper look later. I think that the low res shots are better than no picture at all, but that we should aim to replace them with better photos as and when we can.  I still have some other photos to upload drekkly so I'm sure between us we can cover most of these pages.  Good work at Boscawen-Un and logan rock by the way.  Mammal4 11:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

UK/England thang
I notice that there is a rash of anonymous IP addresses (different ones) currently editing UK into England thoughout the Project - and other Cornish pages. Doubtless this will be followed by another grouping who will change it all back to UK. I suggest that Project members stay clear of any revert war and hope they die of asphyxiation from being up their arses all the time. Nice that they read the Project pages, first, too....LessHeard vanU 21:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed - I have a watch on every parish page in Cornwall, so you can imagine how long my list of altered watchlist pages was this morning!

PS: has already rv'd back to UK and then back to England again since you posted! Take care Mammal4 08:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Folks - Here we go again, Yes I will be steering clear of the War as usual Reedgunner 09:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * During the last batch of reverts there was a plea from User:Noisy asking that edits be stopped "until the issue is decided". I have left a note on that users talk page asking where this was being decided, just in case there was a reasonable discussion that may resolve this matter. I also noted that this Project was unaware of any potential Policy being created... If I get a reply then I will note the contents here.LessHeard vanU 21:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The discussion is here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography. I've been contributing off and on for a week, but I've only really convinced people that there should be a policy in the last day or so. Its much broader than just Cornwall though,  the discussion is about standardised nomenclature across the UK.  Should have posted here sooner (sorry!) to let you konw what was going on.  Nothing has really been decided yet - the two most sensible suggestions have been either a one container model (i.e just Truro, Cornwall) and let people follow the links to find out where that is, or a tiered government model (i.e Truro, Cornwall, UK or Cardiff, Wales, Uk) with one name for each layer of government that exists.  I think that regardless of what is decided, a page called "nomenclature of UK places" should be set up, logically setting out the policy and linked in someway to each article so that peple can see that it is a logical, choice not based o personal biases POV or ignorance of local politics.Mammal4 12:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

PS got some good shots of Buryan parish from the top of Chapel Carn Brea today! Mammal4 12:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Mining
We could really do with a paragraph on former mining in the district. I know that there would be a lot to say on the topic, but I have no clue deyond the basics. Does anyone have any information on this? Mammal4 12:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * At a quick guess perhaps Geevor Mine and the Mineral Museum (if that still around?) may have websites for the locality.LessHeard vanU 21:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

St Buryan
can someone have a look at St Buryan - I've added quite a bit of new material and I'd be interested toknow what people thought. Needs a good SPAGing too. I have lots more to add hereyet, and hopefully some photos in a week or so. Mammal4 13:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I presume you saw me blundering around with the scissors and pastepot? Nice job (yours - not mine!). Any thoughts about getting it a peer review or perhaps more?LessHeard vanU 21:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks ;) I plan to get out soon and populate the article with pictures - I may be able to get up the church tower (as i know the rector) for some panoramics of the parish, but I think 8-9 pics wouldn't be out of place.  Then my plan was to iron out some of the shorter one sentance sections (either merge or remove) and then stick a peer review tag on in and see what flack comes back.  Mammal4 21:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you have a decent camera and are lucky with the weather a view eastward from Chapel Carn Brae would be great - it would cover the entire parish with Mounts Bay/Lizard as a backdrop.LessHeard vanU 21:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You read my mind! ;) Mammal4 08:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Boscawen-Un
I've created a page for Boscawen-Un stone circle, and also created a redirect page at Boscawen un. I've not got much info to put on it yet, so would be glad of any contributions. It sorts out some redlinks in other articles, but given the possible variations in spelling there might be others lurking about. I've put some categories on it, but would be glad of any input as to which it should be in. DuncanHill 16:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I will stick a Project template on the discussion page, and check the St Buryan article to ensure the link works from there.LessHeard vanU 20:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Pic-fest
I've finished taking a batch of pictures - unfortunately these are mostly of the south of the district as I didn't have time to get up Zennor way as I had hoped. I have somewhere in the region of 300+ photos (many of them are variations on the same shot though) which will take me some time to deal with. I don't think dumping the whole lot onto the articles is a good idea as it will probably swamp them, however I thought we could create an Images of Penwith page with a sort of gallery arrangment of thumbnails - any thoughts? Alternatively some sort of vote off to narrow down which pictures to keep could be used? Mammal4 16:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if you were to choose the best one (or two) of a subject which illustrates an article, for all relevent articles, to start with? I don't know if there are people who look after the bandwidth/resources of Wikipedia, but I wouldn't want people questioning why a relatively minor Project should be hosting loads of photo's (obviously some could go into WikiCommons if they depict subjects which could be used elsewhere.) I would suggest, also, that the person who went out and spent time taking the pictures should be the one to decide which ones to use - the rest of us can go and take/upload our own if we don't care for an image. I'm looking forward to seeing them!LessHeard vanU 20:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

If you have a few different shots of a subject you could add a gallery to the bottom of the page like the one on Seville. There is wiki-code set up to do this, so it is dead easy! Dan1980 (talk | stalk) 20:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I hate it when somebody comes up with facts which completely demolish your argument (grin)! Okay... then stick whatever the copyright owner thinks is the best sample on the relevant article, put everything else in the Gallery - if someone thinks another example is better then they can put forward their view on the talk page and the two images can be swapped if folk agree(I suppose this is possible?). Thanks for the pointer, Dan1980.LessHeard vanU 20:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi All, I've got quite a mixed batch of photos at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cyr/TomCorserGalleryCornwall most of them are of Penwith, and there are quite a few taken from flights from Lands's End and the helicopter to Isles of Scilly. I will add them to Penwith pages as and when, but maybe someone wants to get there before me! 84.92.138.170 17:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * yes i had spotted some of those, good work. I thought the golawan festival stuff you took might be good at Penzance Mammal4 16:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Lafrowdrah (whatever) Day stuff would be good for St. Just. Old mine workings are a cliche to both St Just in particular and Cornwall generally.LessHeard vanU 21:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Good article
St Buryan has passed through the selection criteria to become a good article! Lets see if we can't get Penwith there too soon Mammal4 16:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Great news.LessHeard vanU 21:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sennen Cove
Does anyone have any thoughts about merging the Sennen Cove article into the Sennen main article (possibly under a subheading)? The two have overlapping information in them, and as someone has just added a load of (useful) info about surfing to the main Sennen article, rather than the cove I wondered if maybe people not realising that there are two. the alternative is a link at the top of the article linking to the sister page (for beach see Sennen Cove) Mammal4 14:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes good idea Reedgunner 15:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Cornish Town Infoboxes
I see the new infoboxes for Bodmin, Helston, Launceston, Camborne, Redruth, St Austell etc are not the same style as the existing Cornish Penwith ones for Penzance, Hayle and St Ives etc. Is there a need for some Cornish standardisation here perhaps using a template such as Template:Infobox CornishTown - only a suggestion !? 81.78.177.137 11:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The boxes at Penzance etc are for the parishes and there happens to be a town of the same name. They are in a style consistent with other UK subdivisions (e.g Cornwall, York, Birmingham, Dorset as well as all the other Penwith parishes) which had been agreed apon by UK geography editors, and predate these new boxes.  Personally I think that any harmonisiation should be to this standard Mammal4 15:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Cornwall wikiproject
I have set up a Cornwall wikiproject if anyone is interested in signing up. The scope of this is more broad, and will cover all aspects of Cornwall/Cornish culture not just geography. There will naturally be some overlap with the work on the Penwith project - it might be worth merging the Penwith project into the Cornwall one at some future point as a subproject, to help pool resources, but I don't see any conflict at present. I've started setting things up on the other page but haven't done much yet, anyone who wants to feel free to get things moving! take care Mammal4 09:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Am on my way there now. DuncanHill 12:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I notice that Alan Pascoe has deregistered themself from here on the argument that the above project has made this redundant. I disagree. There are articles relating to Penwith that can best tackled in a local context, and there may be contributors who feel that their area of expertise lays only within a district context. I will drop AP a line so he may comment here if he wishes.LessHeard vanU 00:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the main problem with both of these projects is that neither of them is very active. I would rather work within WikiProject Cornwall, even to edit an article relevant to the Penwith district. As Mammal4 indicated above, it will be helpful to pool resources and there will not be a conflict. I think WikiProject Geography of Penwith, Cornwall was always a bit too specific; in the forseeable future, there aren't going to be enough editors prepared to put in enough time to make it work. I should add that all I have done is withdraw from this project; the project will continue if other members want it to. Alan Pascoe 10:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that neither project is particularly active, and that it is up to (any) remaining participants to decide if a project is viable, but I was suggesting that having a project for all of Cornwall does not make the Penwith project redundant; it simply has a smaller scope that some editors may feel more suitable/comfortable. Naturally, there must be a great deal of standardisation between the two projects - but then everyone works to Wiki standards anyway. Of course, belonging to both, either or neither project does not debar anyone from contributing to the articles within the projects aegis.LessHeard vanU 20:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I certainly think that the project is viable, but it may be that it should in time be reduced to a sub-group focus of the Cornwall project. The Penwith pages are certainly more fleshed out than the other districts suggesting greater interest or expertise of editors in this area (although equally the project itself could have stimulated this).  To be honest I'm a little disappointed with input on the Cornwall project - there was a lot of talk about things that people were keen to follow up on but then nothing happened.  Admittedly, I've been a bit quiet too for several weeks as I have a lot going on at work.


 * To be honest I'm a little disallusioned with Wikipedia as a whole at the moment. Its a great idea in theory, but is spoilt by a growing minority of editors - the sort of people with a very narrow world view/experience who feel and act like they know everything but in actual fact are sadly lacking in broader insight.  They are often not prepared to discuss rationlly the subject at hand and prefer an 'I know best' approach, dismissing anything that falls outside their narrow experience as POV.  If you met these people in real life you wouldn't find them at all credible, but I think that the strength of wikipedia i.e. that every editor has an equal voice is also in my opinion its greatest weakness as a large number of ignorant people will outweigh the rational arguments of people wwho are educated about a topic. This leads to lots of sad ridiculous edit warring and pointless ranting text on the discussion pages. The England/UK thing would be a prime example of that, but it is also endemic across the board (see Talk:Irish breakfast or Talk:Halloween for more ridiculous circular discussion).  Anyway, I'm tempted to wind-up my contributions in the New Year as a consequence :( Mammal4 11:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not suprised that mammal is feeling a bit hacked off with the increasing number of wikinutters out there, In recent weeks I have seen some of the most vile comments made by Cornish Extremists in discussions (I am Cornish Nationalist but I would never, ever use such terribly emotive words as they have - It also demonstrates a distinct lack of confidence in your identity) I have also seen deliberate attempts to wind up others by tinkering with templates etc (adding English flags to templates related to Cornwall and not to any other 'County' in the UK, Circular discussions are becoming the norm with people pointing fingers at each other stating each person is the Devil incarnate or genocidal maniacs . However these projects remain valuable because Cornwall should be properly represented for what it is (before these projects all we had was school yard rv wars over England Vs UK etc) The reason I started editing was that I was so ashamed of the drivel that was the Cornish articles, I urge people not de-register, jump ship or anything and ignore the babble from some users and try to enjoy the work we are doing, .  By the way Merry Christmas one and all Reedgunner 12:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

South West Coast Path
There is a proposal that the South West Coast Path article should be rewritten. At present it is largely long lists of towns, villages, and places of interest. If you can help turn these lists into prose, could you join in at Talk:South West Coast Path. Thanks. Geof Sheppard 07:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Project banner
The banner doesn't seem to recognise the standard "nested=yes" parameter. Example at Talk:St Michael's Mount. Folks at 137 17:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Merging projects
If you are looking for the merging discussion, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cornwall Simply south (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)