Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia

Define "Toodyaypedia"
(This may be related to User talk:Gnangarra, which I was not aware of until now.)

What, precisely, is "Toodyaypedia"?
 * Articles such as Annie Stack and James Albert Miles include a reference like this:
 * (as suggested by WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage II worksheet) which says by its uses of that Toodyaypedia is a journal written by Robyn Taylor and published by the Shire of Toodyay. This is consistent with the story in the April 2015 Toodyay Herald (page 12) which says that "Robyn has been commissioned by the Shire to write draft profiles ..."
 * (as suggested by WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage II worksheet) which says by its uses of that Toodyaypedia is a journal written by Robyn Taylor and published by the Shire of Toodyay. This is consistent with the story in the April 2015 Toodyay Herald (page 12) which says that "Robyn has been commissioned by the Shire to write draft profiles ..."

The problem is that Wikipedia articles are using Toodyaypedia articles as references, but based on WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia the casual reader could easily think that Wikipedia was referring to itself, in violation of WP:CIRCULAR.
 * WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia says that "Toodyaypedia is a WikiTown QRpedia project", and QRpedia is defined as "a ... system which uses QR codes to deliver Wikipedia articles". This is consistent with the Shire's 2013-1014 Annual Report (various pages - search for "Toodyaypedia") which says (for example, p5) that "Under this project volunteers enter heritage and historical information on Toodyay’s buildings in Wikipedia."

I'm not questioning Taylor's credentials, or the use of her work as a reliable source, but I suggest that:
 * WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia should explicitly state that:
 * Taylor is a subject-matter expert writing new material that is being published by the Shire, thus satisfying the requirements of WP:RS, WP:SOURCE.
 * The Shire's project is (also) called Toodyaypedia.
 * References in articles to the journal/series Toodyaypedia should link to the relevant section of WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia to explain the connection, eg:

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Everett's cottage
Does anyone have a coordinate location for Everett's cottage Q56395795? Sam Wilson 09:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * At the risk of WP:OR, we could get it from Google Maps - the cottage is clearly visible in Street View. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! How did you find it? And do you think it's okay to use those coordinates? (Seems fine to me, but maybe I'm not correct.) Sam Wilson 11:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Everett's Cottage article tells us where it is: "Situated in North St ... immediately behind the site of the former Queen's Head Hotel". The Queen's Head does have coordinates, so it's easy to go there an have a look around with Google Street View. (I know OpenStreetMap is free, open, and philosophically a good thing, but Google still has its uses.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless we have reason to believe that Street View is wrong (doesn't match the map / coords), I'd treat it as a reliable source. However, strictly speaking this is actually WP:SYN. Google doesn't mark the building as Everett's Cottage, and I'm deducing the coords from two sources - the article for the approximate location and what the building looks like, and Street View - neither of which says "Everett's Cottage is at these coords". (But I wouldn't remove the coords on those grounds if they were added.) Mitch Ames (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good points! Well, I've added its coords now. And it's now on OSM too: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-31.52271/116.42562 I've been adding a bunch of other OSM→Wikidata links too, so we can have building outlines on infobox maps. Let me know if you happen across any I've missed. Sam Wilson 12:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I notice that the coords do not appear on the article Everett's Cottage. Should they appear there automagically? Would it help if Wikipedia and Wikidata agreed on the casing of "cottage"?

removal of reference
hi, i have just removed a reference from the article Toodyay Court House as it does not appear to be relevant, if anyone can assist, please discuss at Talk:Toodyay Court House, thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Gnangarra 10:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Page moves
I've just moved The Royal Oak, Toodyay (1849–1851) and The Royal Oak, Toodyay (1853–1860) to use en dashes to fix dashes in year ranges. I've also fixed all the links in the main namespace. Hope these moves haven't caused any problems. Graham 87 12:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ditto for St John the Baptist Church, Toodyay (1863–1963). Graham 87 12:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)