Wikipedia talk:Wiki Loves Pride/2024

"And the Rest Is Drag" at AfD
"And the Rest Is Drag" has been nominated for deletion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Update: Nominated for Good article status --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 00:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

LGBT-owned business
Please help expand LGBT-owned business and populate Category:LGBT-owned businesses appropriately. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I suppose I should ask there, but what is the notability core of the subject? The article at the moment is just quotes including the phrases "LGBTQ-owned business" or "queer-owned business" and a list of some of them. From the see also link to StartOut and some of the non-contextualised quotes, I have gathered that 1. LGBT-owned businesses are an attraction to some parts of society (young people mentioned) just for being LGBT-owned. Is there a reason why given? 2. The LGBTQ+ community can experience both economic and access issues that would otherwise prevent them from being business owners.
 * Both of these things: the social relationship of LGBTQ+ businesses, and the history of the LGBTQ+ community in being business owners (and overcoming disadvantages), seem to be the notability core. But there's nothing actually written about them - it's easily inferred from some of the content and quotes, but the article is more of a scrapbook of mentions of LGBTQ+ owned businesses, and does not establish the topic and why it warrants its own article (which it does, but it needs to show it). I would find more sources that discuss these two aspects and then summarise them.
 * And I would first remove the country-based subsections. These are rarely the best way to divide articles just on a subject level, but it also encourages random lists of examples per country and to add as many countries as sections even with little or nothing to say specific to just that country – it can easily be said in prose if the content is only/mostly relevant to one country ("In the United States..."). Kingsif (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A fork of List of LGBT-owned businesses would prevent lists of examples per country. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The category should suffice really, unless there's anything to say about individual businesses? (Real question - there's plenty of reasons to have listicles rather than direct to categories) Kingsif (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

List building help: List of LBTQ+ women's footballers
A few years ago as part of WikiLovesPride, someone (probably ?) made some lists of LGBT+ people from [city], and I got involved with one for San Francisco. It involved data-scraping of categories then, but seeing such lists grow as users naturally look for them and add new bios as links, shows the community value of them.

Now, I think it would be a bigger project, hence this discussion, but it has been mentioned both by and myself that that list of women's footballers at Homosexuality in association football could well warrant its own article. It's currently a few dozen seemingly random players, based on whoever was added first I suppose, and nobody wants to expand it for fear of completely overwhelming the article.

Based on seeing lists featuring LBTQ+ women's footballers, and knowing the limitations of list length before an article breaks, I think that we could fit them all in one standalone listicle.

But there are questions in how to present it (of course, following List of LGBT sportspeople would probably be the easy choice), structural questions (subsections for club v international, including players without articles, amount and location of prose), and then actually adding entries. Taking the current list, examples of footballers at the LGBT sportspeople and Olympians lists, and data scraping LGBT footballers categories will be a start - but knowing that the content of these doesn't line up, and knowing that some users who take the initiative to create new bios for women's footballers don't always add wikilinks and categories, there's probably quite a few LBTQ+ women's footballers with articles that would have to be looked for.

I took on cleaning up the List of LGBTQ+ Olympians article, and doing so has ended up being more like tearing down and rebuilding a house than renovating one. So if I was to undertake the same 'project' here, I would appreciate both input and (occasional) help! Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Anyone up to work on getting a page for Dan Mertzlufft, a gay composer?
Hey! I'm not sure if this is the right talk page to list this on? But if not, hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I submitted Dan Mertzlufft to AfC Draft:Dan Mertzlufft and initially he was declined, but I did more research and added more things and am wondering if anyone wants to kind of check my work/make it better, or if anyone has access to get things in the mainspace and would be up to moving it? Wikipedian339 (talk) 01:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)