Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2010-08-09/Arbitration report

"This case, which is technically open"? Ncmvocalist, a case is either open or it is not. There is no in-between. Just because the Arbitrators have not set a specific date doesn't mean they've abandoned it. — Jeremy  ( v^_^v Dittobori ) 01:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Participants, and even some non-participants, can/have dispute whether the case is open where its evidence/workshop is closed, its proposed decision phase has not opened, and participants are prevented from discussing their own case on the actual case pages; this has not happened in the (recent) past, and it practically seems like the case is closed at this time. Nevertheless, this report clarifies that the case is technically open. No assertion was made in this report about arbitrators abandoning the case - such an assertion would be inaccurate. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ncmvocalist has it right, the case is technically open in that it's not formally closed as unresolvable, nor is it yet closed as resolved. But with most all of the pages locked down, and with no progress on the proposed decision (unless you count reassurances from arbitrators that progress is being made that are not accompanied by any concrete proposals of any sort, or by any useful guidance), it's certainly not very open in a practical sense. So, Jeremy, if you view open/close as binary, then yes, it's "open" and not "closed". But if you view open/close as more of a spectrum (which I think is more accurate in this case), then it's "not very open at all". Further, I think on review the clampdown for an extended period will be found to be a failure, as discussion of this nature cannot be suppressed entirely, it merely moves to different venues (my own talk being one such venue, of many). Venues where the case clerk has little or no remit to ensure orderly and collegial discussion. And THAT is the biggest flaw in suppressing discussion. ++Lar: t/c 11:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

This week's presenting is an improvement; it's much more neutral sounding. Good job, Ncmvocalist. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)